Hi I have an XDAIIi and I have installed the software using the corporate setup so the O2 crap hasn't installed.
My setup is as follows:
ROM version: 1.11.00
ROM Date: 01/27/05
Radio Version: 1.00.00
Protocol Version: 1337.39
ExtROM version: 1.11.162 WWE
I have the activesync setup to connect into my works Outlook Web Access server and pull off my emails. This is set to sync every 5 minutes during peak times and every 2 hours outside of peak hours via GPRS. Sometimes (at least 3 times a day) when I receive a text message or I get a missed call if the phone is in standby mode it won't turn on when I press the power on button and I have to reset the device. This is so frustrating.
Has anybody else had this problem and succesfully resolved it?
I'd really appreciate any help on this matter
Regards
Shaun
what kind of sd card are you using ?????? it must be 80x fast or you will have lockups
I'm using a 1Gb sandisk card. I don't see how this could lock up my XDAIIi if I receive a text or a missed call. Surely the SD card would only lock up the device if I was accessing it for data?
I'm happy to try a faster card and the sandisk is guaranteed to lock up if I'm listening to music or watching a movie, but would it also cause the device to lock up even if it's not being accessed for data?
Cheers
Shaun
don't question, just obey
i know it seems weird, but i fixed crashing problems to do with gprs and ending phone calls (ie nothing to do with the SD card) by swapping my sd card for a faster one.. an easy way to test is to just take out your sd card and have nothing in there (except for the filler).. see if you still get the crashes
yeah i had this problem was well, fone would randomly lock-up (not crash) but a soft reset would cure it
took my 1gb sandisk card out and it never does it
just a load of other things to try and sort out now
I have taken the card out of the phone and you are all correct... It has stopped crashing!!! Spooky.... I bow down to all of you, you truly know your stuff...Thank you very much for your help... I've ordered a 1Gb transcend 80x
Thanks everyone for your help
yup it's weird ...i read somewhere (i can't remember where now) that it's down to some figure is way too low in the registry ,i have reset mine ,and it has improved a bit more...
but you will be surprised it should work fine once you put a trancend in
I've always used a Peak 1GB 66x SD card and a Peak 512MB MMC card (about 2 years old now) and have no lockups since I disabled the storage card status stuff in Pocket Plus 3. To be honest I don't think the speed of the card makes much difference, I think it's down to the polling of the card by the 2i at the same time as doing other things.
Will this start a debate?
pug said:
I've always used a Peak 1GB 66x SD card and a Peak 512MB MMC card (about 2 years old now) and have no lockups since I disabled the storage card status stuff in Pocket Plus 3. To be honest I don't think the speed of the card makes much difference, I think it's down to the polling of the card by the 2i at the same time as doing other things.
Will this start a debate?
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mmm i think it will :lol: :wink: it would be nice to find out why it actually does lockup ..i had major probs till i upgraded my sd card and it worked so i never botherd really i was just happy it worked
Do you know what Registry Key was Changed to stop the polling? As this maybe whats been killing my Viking SD Cards?
Cheers
Hello,
I know it is a couple of months on now, but did anyone find out what that registry key was?
We have 30 of these devices here and they are all doing this - the worst is that you don't know!
If no-one knows what the registry key is does anyone know where in th UK to get the cheapest 80x card (at least 256MB)?
Thanks all
sorry mate i lost that bit of info and i wish i could remember where i got it from now it did help a lot even with the transcend card where as it never crashed at all
The best thing I found was ditching SD cards altogether and going for MMC+ cards. The general concensus these days is that it is a power supply problem, that the Alpine seems to be a bit weak in this department. As the phone side shakes hands with another cell, there is a sudden power drain from the card which causes a temporary lock up, hence the stalling of the Alpine. MMC+ cards are slightly different and don't seem to suffer this power problem.
Switching to MMC+ has solved all my problems to date anyway.
www.mouse2house.co.uk seem to sell some cheap Kingston MMC+ cards, around £30 for 1GB, and no, I'm not being paid by them, just don't believe in paying more for the same.
Outgoing Call makes my alpine lock-up
Sometimes when I make a call the "phone" lock-up but not the phone. Ive tried removing the sd card and it still lock-up a few times.
Is there any fix with this PROBLEM?
ROM version: 1.11.00 WWE
ROM date: 01/27/05
Radio version: 1.04.00
Protocol version: 1337.42
ExtROM version: 1.11.162
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I have an XDA IIi,
Since (I Think) messing around with the Terminal Services Client, I now cannot get Phone Signal, says No Service, it also reboots itself randomly.
I did a Hard Reset, Phone came back alive again.
Restored Sprite backup, problem came back.
Any idea's what I have done to cause this problem.
Many Thanks
Nick
Dont suppose you have an SD card inserted all the time do you ?
Seems slow speed / higher voltage SD cards cause big problems with the radio in the XDA IIi
The tomtom thread in this section has some info about this too, a transcend 80x card has solved problems for most.
If you dont have an SD card inserted then, disregard all i said above lol.
:idea:
Yes I did have an SD card inserted.
To get my phone back I had to do a hard reset then restored using activesync.
Thinking back this problem may have occured since formatting the sd card with non standard parameters.
I will format using windows xp format and see how it go's.
As it happens I ordered a Transcend 80x last Friday. as advised by pocketgps.com poster andy-c1. see :-
http://www.pocketgps.co.uk/modules.php?name=Forums&file=viewtopic&t=26506&start=45
Cheers
not that this is much of a help, more of a tip: personally I think Sprite BAckup sucks.
I stopped using it after trying it 2 times or so, as it just doesnt seem to work like it should
SPB Clone is way better, but a bit more expensive too :S
Danny-B- said:
Dont suppose you have an SD card inserted all the time do you ?
Seems slow speed / higher voltage SD cards cause big problems with the radio in the XDA IIi
The tomtom thread in this section has some info about this too, a transcend 80x card has solved problems for most.
If you dont have an SD card inserted then, disregard all i said above lol.
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Is the 1Gb version gonna be as good as the 512??
I have no idea mate sorry, i suffer like the majority as i have a cheap 1gig card that causes lockups etc ... i am seriously thinking of getting a Transcend card due to the reports everyone has gave so far and i would only really go for the 1gig size too.
Has anyone tested a 1 Gig Transcend yet?
If its the same voltage as the 512 then it should be ok but would be nice to hear some hard evidence.
NickR said:
I have an XDA IIi,
Since (I Think) messing around with the Terminal Services Client, I now cannot get Phone Signal, says No Service, it also reboots itself randomly.
I did a Hard Reset, Phone came back alive again.
Restored Sprite backup, problem came back.
Any idea's what I have done to cause this problem.
Many Thanks
Nick
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hi, my first post here :wink: . hope your problem is solved..
it seems that many ppl suffered the same problem here-- after did something to the phone, like deleted registry file which described in other post, and for me screen freeze easily after i installed some popular programme, then i soft reboot it and this problem appeared. no phone singnal, self-reboots every 5-10 minute, and as soon as hard reset it, it works fine. that is exactly what happen to my phone. now i have to put 101% attantion not to install the programme which is not necessary, cos you never know when it will strike! :? anyone know why, pls help out, many thanks
Yeah I too have been bitten by this bug. I am not sold that it is the SD card. I had very good luck with a Kingston 1GB standard SD card. I definitely seemed to install something that corrupted the system. I now am stuck in the loop where it gives me the No Service statement and then will spontaneously reboot. I am running:
XDAIIi - PH10C
ROM : 1.11.00 WWE
Radio : 1.04.00
Protocol : 1337.42
ExtROM : 1.11.169 WWE
Everything is current. Ran with my current setup for a good couple weeks then BAM! it started this. I am thinking that the registry got corrupted and that is what is causing this. The other reason I am not sold on the SD theory is that it is doing this if an SD card is installed or not. Periodically it works, and will pick up a signal. I am going to nuke it tonight, reinstall my stuff and resync with my computer and then will make a Sprite Backup onto my spare SD card.
I will repost to let everyone know how it goes.
Danny-B- said:
I have no idea mate sorry, i suffer like the majority as i have a cheap 1gig card that causes lockups etc ... i am seriously thinking of getting a Transcend card due to the reports everyone has gave so far and i would only really go for the 1gig size too.
Has anyone tested a 1 Gig Transcend yet?
If its the same voltage as the 512 then it should be ok but would be nice to hear some hard evidence.
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I've got the 1Gb Transcend SD card 80x and don't have any problems with it - It's the only card that I've found that hasn't locked up when using tomtom 5. Although, I've not tried my other SD cards with tomtom 5.21 only 5.1 or 5.0 which caused lock ups. I may have to give them a go. Even my Kingston Ultimate 133x caused lockups with earlier versions altough it was fine with tomtom 3.
Sorry if this has been answered before, but I cannot find any solutions to this on any of the forums.
TT5 running ok but 9 times out of 10 it will 'lock-up' during the journey. If I take out the SD card and reinsert it, sometimes it continues to work but after about 4 or 5 goes it locks up completely and needs a hard reset.
Someone suggested that there was still a problem with moving between cells where this would loose connection to the SD card.
Any suggestions on how to fix other than buy a new phone?
TT lockups ...
First thing that comes to mind is
make sure you are using a High speed SD card!
I now use the highly recommended Transcend 80X card and my unit is now performing brilliantly!
I'm running TT 5.1 - not sure of the functionality to upgrade it to 5.21...
HTH
Cheers! Dennis! West London UK!!
The Extreme III is quoted at 20MB per second data transfer speeds
try the transcend 80x it will fix your problem
i had the same problem i found pugs cooked rom fixed the probelm.
I already using PUGS modified 1.11.162 ROM
andy-c1 said:
try the transcend 80x it will fix your problem
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ok but have you tried the transcend 80x ,as so far it has fixed 100% of pda's that have been changed to this card (thats 8 people that i know of and some were using 1 gig cards)
read this topic
http://forum.xda-developers.com/viewtopic.php?t=39123
use definitly a transcend 80x and your problems are away.
i used a transcend 45x before and had the same issues as you.
it´s not the speed, which is the problum but the need of power of the sd
the tc 80x has a single layer design and so saves power!
greets
p.s.: i use a xda 2i ger + tc 80x 1gb + ttn 5.21
Extreme III not working !?!?!?
Hi all,
Great site - been reading for a while, just signed up.
I've had my Alpine for a few months but haven't done anything with it yet as I'm waiting until I have the money for an SD card.
I was thinking of getting an Extreme III myself as it appears to be one of the best out there (although I was hoping they'd release a 2 or 4gb version). It's rated at 133x and is also SLC (single layer cell)...
So I'm a bit concerned that it's not working for you - let us know if you find the cause of the problem checks!
**duplicate post**
Same problem with a SanDisk miniSD 1GB.
Solved reformatting all ( both low and high level ) using :
FAT32 and cluster size of 2K
Hope this Helps.
Maurizio
What program did you use to format the SD card?
Some good & bad news... :x
Reformated the SD card with SoftWinter's StorageTools to FAT32, 2Kb cluster size, Backup FAT:No (I guess at Low level?)
This has solved 90% of lockups and TT5 has only locked 2 or 3 times since.
I should be getting a Transcend 1Gb 80X SD at the end of the week so I will give it a go.... finger's cross!
I use pocket Mechanic tools for SD maintenance.
Before get new SD card try to install XPUScalar for overclock your PDA ( sd transfer rate increased )
tried a Transcend 1Gb 80x, exactly same problem - must be a problem with the Xda IIi, will try to send it back under warranty to be checked/fixed
Just trying to list the “possible” causes/fixes of the Xda2i lock up when using TT5.21
I to have this problem and as yet is still unresolved.
It can run for maybe 15 mins, locks up showing full set of satellites. Have to soft reset and start TT again.
Using Globalsat BT-338. Tried on “other bluetooth device”. Now set to NMEA, (as recommend elsewhere) tried 38400 baud rate, tried 4800, Left battery out for over an hour (cold start) still the same.
Storage card, a Transcend 80x
Upgraded radio 1.04.00. Ext Rom 1.11.162 (to Pugs version, Thank you DAZ999)
Reloaded To TT5.21
Reloaded Globalsat. (Question, the GPS info CD is version 5.1, and comes up with “this is made for an earlier version of software”?)
Hard reset numerous times.
Last resort, reblow ROM, reload all software and reinstall Globalsat.
Any further suggestions greatly appreciated.
Dave
My PDA uses 2 x Kingston 512Mb SDcards: one has the 'serious' stuff on it (Tomtom, Dictionaries, Visitor Guides etc) and the other games/films.
I've never experienced any problems with either TomTom or other programs, excepting the aminations in 'Riven' sometimes are a bit slow. Video plays happily full-screen using divx and MVP Player.
I recently installed Pocket Mechanic and ran the tests on the SD cards:
... they both scored a speed rating of 2.7X!
so am sure it's not a speed issue, as TT works perfectly smoothly.
my $.0.2
Joe
Me again,
I've received a new XDA IIi from O2 and guess what, the same intermittent problems with TT5 locking up.
For anyone who as a working copy of TT5 (5.21) help us with how they installed it… ie. what ROM used, if they just installed 5.21 or install 5.0 and installed update to 5.1 and update to 5.21..
TomTom support told me that there are known issues with XDA IIi and transferring data from the SD card, so why is the phone on the list of supported devices…
Hi there,
If it can be of any help, here's how I've installed TomTom :
- ROM version : 1.11.162/1.04.00 cooked by pug
- SD Card : Transcend 80x 1GB
- Install TT 5.0 with Bluetooth Support, Voice, but without maps. I don't use main memory for most of my programs, but the "Storage" directory instead (Disk On Chip)
- Install TT 5.21 upgrade. In a few cases I've had to reinstall just the Voice
- Copy the maps to the storage card.
- Use the Bluetooth Manager to pair with the GPS unit.
- Launch TT, configure "Other Bluetooth GPS", and pick COM 6.
The GPS is a Holux GPSLim236, set to 38400 baud NMEA.
I haven't had any lockups so far.
The only annoyance is that TT is very touchy about the order in which I start my BT devices : if I switch on the BT headset before launching TT, it won't find the GPS. The other way around seems to work better, but I've had to re-configure the GPS inside TT a few times to get it to figure out the GPS was really there.
Good luck !
Checks, did you solve it?
With format in fat32 2kb or installin how Mr Spoke said?
Hi everyone again!
Just an update as to my now stable performing Xda2i. I read up many posts and decided to rightaway get the Transcend 80X 1GB SD card in order to make TomTom 5 work well. I was slightly apprehensive when the card arrived, and plugging it in, copying the maps and then off for a 1 hour 'test drive' proved the unit was working smoothly! I was overjoyed!
I then did some more testing, I switched on my Motorola HS 850 Bluetooth headset and then initiated a call whilst tomtom was in 'programmed route mode' - I was listening to the directions voice prompts as the call came in (from my 2nd mobile phone/line)
I answered the call via the button on the headset and could hear the feedback, I put the 2nd phone down on the centre console.
The Xda screen was now showing the muted speaker icon so no voice sounds - however the map was continuing to show all necessary info in order to keep following the programmed route.
I kept the phone on for around 15-20 minutes to ensure It was 'talking' to different 'cells' - this was on the M25 going round from the M1 to Heathrow turn off, so I'm assuming there was quite a few 'handshakes' of different cell transmitters. every minute or so I'd tap the other fone and I'd hear it via the Xda2i no problem at all, no dropped connection or any 'cell handshake' problems at all.
Needless to say I was extremely chuffed at this point!
I 'dared' another step - I put the unit into 'Turbo' mode... and..
It STILL works flawlessly!
I've now been using it for the last 2-3 weeks in turbo mode and it's been very very stable, no soft reset's required at all during the day!
I now use 2 batteries so I suppose swapping them when low on juice does the 'soft reset' but none of the annoying soft reset's that have been required in the past!
I run the unit in corporate mode of course and am keeping it this way!
Here's the versions of everything -
ROM Version - 1.11.00 WWE
ROM Date - 01/27/05
Radio Version - 1.00.00
Protocol Version - 1337.39
ExtROM Version - 1.11.162 WWE
So, Its pretty much bog standard as it came out of the box about 6 weeks ago - I've not done any ROM updates etc.
I'm thinking to 'stay like this' - but of course, the techie bug in me says upgrading it will be better
Should I upgrade it? or just leave well alone as it's functioning justttttt brilliantly?!!
Cheers!
Dennis! West London UK with a smoooooth working Xda2i !
yup i'm in your same shoes ,but i got a transcend about 4 months ago and in that time i have hardly rebooted by machine ,if you upgrades to pugs new rom 1.04 without o2 rubbish you will find that the phone works a whole lot better , i can now use the speakerphone and everyone can actually hear me now
Hm...
does this means that using gigabytes SD card or whatever large expansion card would cause unwanted trouble with the default settings of O2
regardless the type / brand of the card ?
I have been using a kingston 1Gb MMC Plus for a while now and TT5 freezes, with the only option being to taking the card out and in again.
I do notice that the card reader is not working 100%, sometimes it doesnt read the card at all.
Also, freezes are much more frequent if the POI are on.
Just my 2 cents...
Hi there,
It looks like newer Transcend cards are not immune to the TomTom lock up issue.
I have an O2 branded XDA2i with PUGS rom etc. It runs TomTom5.21 fine with the first Transcend 1GB card I bought.
When I'm in the car, I have the phone connected to my car kit via bluetooth. When I make a call, TomTom continues to run, but shows the mute symbol. When I hang up the call, TomTom carries on as normal.
I decided to buy another Trancend card as a backup. This time, though whenever I make a call - TomTom locks up. As in other peoples posts, sometimes this can be cured by pulling the card and re-inserting, other times a soft reset is required.
I thought I'd got a faulty card, so bought another with the intention of returning the faulty one.
The new card shows the same problem.
All three cards were bought within two months of each other.
Anybody else seeing issues with new Transcend cards anfd TomTom?
Cheers,
Chris.
Could you have a look to how are your cards format?
32kb in fat32?
May be they are different...
It's interesting!
Hi there,
I used PocketMechanic to reformat the card to the same spec as the working card. Also tried many other combinations.
Dosn't make any difference on either of the two non working cards.
Perhaps my XDA is extra sensitive to power or speed of the card - but the two newer cards are definetly different.
Be warned all of you that think Transcend is the Holy Grail for SD cards.
Chris.
I have lockups using transcend 2gb 150x...tried several different format tools - it didn't help...
i don't know what to do with it...=(
I can't even listen to music because of pauses... I even tried a player which cashes songs into ram.... but what is strange - it didn't help...
but I think thats because of player didn't cash anything but said that did...
because I don't understand how can it stop playing for 1-2 seconds each minute with cash for 5mb or 5 minutes of music... =|
There is another post related to the same subject:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/viewtopic.php?p=240871#240871
I am experiencing the same problem.
I've bought the 1GB x80 TRANSCEND SD card a little less than a month ago because it was supposed to cure all QTEK2020i problems.
But in fact it hasn't changed ANYthing compared to the LEXAR x32 1GB I was using before.
So, I decided to upgrade my QTEK rom with PUGS rom while taking the risk of voiding the QTEK warranty.
Unfortunatly, it hasn't solved my problems either. It seemed more stable initialy, and has cured GPRS usage problems and brought slighlty better GSM quality, but that's all with my settings.
Someone has reported this week, that moving from SD to MMC has cured his TT5 problems.
I keep my fingers crossed hoping that this one will be the right fix.
For people who bought their PDA through EXPANSYS, I encourage you to join this support poll:
http://www.expansys.com/forumthread.asp?code=121444&thread=35&man=QTEK
And for those who bought the QTEK version of this PDA, I encourage you to complain about the lack of any suppoet on that product.
look at my solution here....
http://forum.xda-developers.com/viewtopic.php?t=43143
hope that will help..[/url]
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look at my solution here....
http://forum.xda-developers.com/viewtopic.php?t=43143
hope that will help..[/url]
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I am sorry Ice_mephi but I don't see any solution there, or I've mistunderstood your comments.
I understand that your SD card might have had errors and they got fixed with the StorageTools application, but I don't see any link between this problem and the TT5.21 freezes. Thanks anyway for mentionning this application.
Listening to music out of any SD card has never been a problem for me, and hans't ben reported as being one from polls I've read so far.
Have I mistunderstood anything ?
I've been using the Transcend 80x 1Gb card with Tom Tom 5.21 on my XDAIIi with absolutely no problems at all for at least a month now (including traffic updates via GPRS). I used tha card as supplied, without reformatting etc.
Andy R said:
I've been using the Transcend 80x 1Gb card with Tom Tom 5.21 on my XDAIIi with absolutely no problems at all for at least a month now (including traffic updates via GPRS). I used tha card as supplied, without reformatting etc.
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Hello Andy, also including POIS? Or only with the default installation.
Yes - I have POIs installed. It is set to remind me when I am near petrol stations and wi-fi hotspots (which I have set up myself).
I couldn't believe that the type of SD card would solve this, but it did, and I have never had a problem since!
Andy R said:
Yes - I have POIs installed. It is set to remind me when I am near petrol stations and wi-fi hotspots (which I have set up myself).
I couldn't believe that the type of SD card would solve this, but it did, and I have never had a problem since!
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SD? Another users say that the MMC is working better. :?
I have trascend SD 1Gb 80x, without pois it works perfect, but with them I have freezes... :?
From my experience, changing from a LEXAR x32 1GB to a TRANSCEND x80 1GB didn't solve the problem. Other persons mentionned that they got to the same conclusion with latest TRANSCEND SD cards.
Changing the SD formatting seems to have fixed most of TT5 issues with my TRANSCEND card but I haven't got on trip for hours to confirm it.
People who moved from SD to MMC seem to have got rid of any TT5 freezes.
EricD
MMC is the way ahead
I've tried all the stuff mentioned here, including getting a transcend sd card, and although it behaved for about an hour, it started freezing and locking regular after that. I now use a 1Gb TwinMOS MMC+ card, and after 400miles yesterday have not had a single problem. Take what you want from this, but my TT5.21 seems to prefer MMC.
MMC.... is the answer
Replaced my Transcend 1Gb & SanDisk Extreme III SD's for MMC and had no more lockups since
See this similiar post:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/viewtopic.php?p=240871#240871
So... Yesterday I did one thing - and as the result - no lockups while listening to music today...
I have Qtek 2020i and trancsend 150x 2GB SD card.
What I did:
1) formatted my SD card using card reader.
2) than copied music to card with card reader too.
3) inserted card into ppc - tried to listen to music and got lots of lockups....
4) some days ago I found a tool for fixing errors SD card on ppc(format and defragment also): "Storage Tools 2.0". I tried to check sd card with it - and it found lots of errors on sd card.. (there were 2 kind of errors: "lost chains of files" and "2 files pointing same data").. so I runned it and it removed those errors...
5) today I listened to music almost all the day - and wow! there were no lockups!
I do belive that that lockups are caused by some harware fault while reading and writing data to SD card via ppc. but that program somehow corrects errors...don't know how..
but ! be carefull - I tried to format my card using that tool - but after that - my ppc and PC showed me that the card has no free space - I tried to reformat it via card reader and other tools - it didn't help.
but on transcend homepage I found util for correcting "free space issue" (that is that card's known issue i think..) and it saved my card...
and one more advice - when you'll check your cards for errors - set option to correct errors automaticly, or you will get thousands of messages asking fix or not each found error, and aborting checking won't help.. (I waited for 20 minutes after I pressed stop button - than just soft reseted ppc...)...
so here is that util:
http://www.softwinter.com/storagetools.html
you can use it without paying for it as I understood.
use at your own risk anyway...
That sounds like good news Ice.....
Lets see what others have to say, especially with TT5.
Well I still get the occasional TomTom lock up with my bog standard bought in Tesco's 256MB SD card, formatted to FAT32 2kb (about 1 lockup per 3 days, compared to 1 lockup per 30 mins before I switched to PUGS 1.11.162 and reformatted the card), so I just downloaded and tried this with some interesting results...
I analysed my storage card and it told me that there were errors. So I ran repair (manually clicking ok on each error) and I got a few lost file chains, but about 30 "Bad Directory Entry". When it finished, I ran the "Verify" again, and it told me there were still errors. Ran repair again, this time just 3 "Bad Directory Entry" errors.
Upshot, each time I check it with this tool it tells me there are errors, and doesn't seem to be able to fix them. Pocket Mechanic on the other hand tells me that my card is fine and that there are no errors.
Don't know which to believe.
hm...wes there any work with card between checks? if there were some write operations it could cause new errors.. if that util worked from sd card exspecially..
I have no other card to test it myself...but my seems to work fine..
while listening to music I had lockuos about every 5 minutes...it's gone..
now I am going to try installing some programs to card and more music and see what happens...
So I tried to add\remove some data from card - no errors appeared - and no lock ups still...
so now i think that formatting SD card clears only header of a card, and leaves some info on free space - which can cause such trouble when accessing new data....
Used StorageTools to reformat SD as FAT32, 2K cluster size
Downloaded TT5 maps and ran Scan with Repair option but still issues with TT 5.21 lockup!!
Tried with both 1Gb SanDisk Extreme III and 1Gb Transcend 80x
heh =|
btw, you all speak about tomtom lockup, do you have lockups when listening to music? because I never used tomtom - I just had problems with music....
I think the corrupted data on the cards is caused by momentary power losses which the card reader experiences (thanks to a fault in the Alpine hardware), if I remember past discussion on this forum correctly...
Also, is the Transcend SD card an MLC or SLC card? Because as far as I know, SLCs don't suffer from the data problems MLC cards suffer sometimes when used in Alpines.
Chris,
How can you find out if the Transcend SD is MLC or SLC ?
Would upgrading to a later ROM fix the problem?
If you search the forums for the threads discussing MLC Vs. SLC, I think you'll find out your answer.
Basically, I believe the only ways to tell if a card is SLC or MLC are to either have a program which will tell you (I don't know of one myself), or check the manufacturer's web site for technical information... Or ask someone who may know.
I don't believe upgrading the ROM will solve the problem, it's a hardware issue (the card readers are too sensitive to power fluctuations). It was previously assumed that the latest Transcend cards were immune from the problems with some other makes of SD card, but it seems from various user reports that they do indeed suffer - usually randomly - from similar problems.
Another user reported that after switching from SD cards to MMC cards, the problem was alleviated, and he went from experiencing quite a few lockups daily to absolutely no problems at all. Therefore, it may be worth your while sending back the Transcend card and buying an MMC (which you're quite entitled to do if you're a UK resident and you purchased the card recently from a UK retailer, thanks to the Distance Sale of Goods Act).
There are other posts related to the same subject:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/viewtopic.php?p=240871#240871
and
http://forum.xda-developers.com/viewtopic.php?t=39122&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=25
Someone has reported last week, that moving from SD to MMC has cured his TT5 problems.
For people who bought their PDA through EXPANSYS, I encourage you to join this support poll:
http://www.expansys.com/forumthread.asp?code=121444&thread=35&man=QTEK
And for those who bought the QTEK version of this PDA, I encourage you to complain about the lack of any support on that product.
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christopherwoods said:
Another user reported that after switching from SD cards to MMC cards, the problem was alleviated, and he went from experiencing quite a few lockups daily to absolutely no problems at all.
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ericd91 said:
Someone has reported last week, that moving from SD to MMC has cured his TT5 problems.
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We're on the same wavelength
I had a 1Gb Sandisk, I had to buy a Transcend 80x 1Gb, and know do you think we have to buy another card (MMC)!!!??
Please QTEK!!!! Solve IT!!!!
Well, if you can't return the item for a refund, you could always flog it on eBay.
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Well, if you can't return the item for a refund, you could always flog it on eBay.
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I don't think the problem of TomTom lockups is caused by momentary power losses which the card reader experiences as stated by christopherwoods.
The card readers may be too sensitive to power fluctuations, but after doing the following testing, here is below the results I had:
1 - Transcend 2 Go SD card 150X (2Go) with QTEK 2020i using TOMTOM
5.21, but I took out the SIM card of my phone (so no more GSM signal)
I did not suffer any lockups with TOMTOM during many trips
2 - Transcend 2 Go SD card 150X (2Go) with QTEK 2020i using TOMTOM
5.21, but I put back the SIM card in my phone, and here are the
lockups back again.
I noticed that when my phone is searching for GSM signal (when moving from one cell to another, or in weak signal area), then it is precisly the time where TOMTOM lockup. Maybe it is when QTEK2020i search for GSM signal then there is power fluctuations on the card reader of the phone, which result with a lockup of TOMTOM or other applications (as stated by other people).
In this case, christopherwoods would be right.
Anyway, I have moved since more then one week to a Kingston 2Go MMC Plus Card, and I said goodbye to all the lockups problems, it works perfectly, and I'm very happy with my 2020i.
I can't say for sure, I've never experienced any problems like this on my 2i (but I have a fairly old 256mb SD card which JUST fits TT5 and the GB and NL plus maps, my largest SD card I use in my digital camera). All I mentioned in my previous post were things other people either took an educated guess at, or mentioned might be the cause of the problem. It seems that a fair few peoples' bug reports and diagnoses of their problems were quite similar though, which led me to believe that this is probably the cause.
It would fit, if the device needs to draw more power than available to boost the signal strength to handshake with a cell, I'd expect all the other interfaces to suffer as a result, the memory card unfortunately being particularly susceptible (especially with these newest, HUGE memory cards which I can only imagine are really sensitive to voltage change, being so tightly packed into the chip).
I don't think temporary power losses have anything to do with the problems we are facing.
TRANSCEND SD cards as most of FLASH cards assemblers work at 3.3V +/- 10 to 20%. For example the TRANSCEND 1GB x80 SL is given to work between 2.7V and 3.6V.
Also, the problems I have been having were the same with LEXAR 1GB x32 that used to be one of the reference cards for IPAQ2215, behaves the same way the TRANSCEND 1GB x80 does.
And TT5.21 freezes happen when the 2020i is plugged to the cigaret lighter adapter as well as being used on its onw battery.
A problem has been identified with TT5 when changing cell towers, and this might be still be the case even though TT5.21 was supposed to cure it.
I can reproduce the freezes 5min from home when entering a particular area, and changing cell tower migh have something to do with it.
When changing cell-phone tower I think it induces either higher data transfers between the radio module and the processor, or the opposite way keep it in hold for a pretty long time.
When looking at SD or MMC specs, I found out that several revisions of the MMC standard specifications have been released. So, I think the 2020i hardware or firmware version we are using, only supports a certain sets of this MMC/SD standards. The same issue was known on the IPAQ221x serie regarding BlueTooth.That PDA wasn't able to communicate properly with certain BT devices that implemented BT1.2 standard because of its hardware design. Also on that PDA certain SD cards weren't supported properly when running TT2 or 3. I found out at that time that running TT app & sound files out of RAM instead of SD was the cure to problems whatever SD card was used.
Unfortunatly, running TT5 and associated files out of SD or RAM doesn't change anything on the 2020i regarding freezes.
I think the problem is a hardware/firmware issue between cell-phone tower changes and SD card support.
Hope we'll figure out what the real issue is, and have a definitive fix for it.
So far, Bigdede's tip seems to be the one, unless other people than sybaseian have fix their problem when moving to newer ROM updates.
Hmm. Well, my old SD card is a PNY 256Mb, if that helps in diagnosis. I have the occasional problem with TT locking up if I try to load too many POI or display them on the map, you have to be patient with this SD card It's just got quite a slow access rate. That has to be one of the main reasons for this problem... Maybe the CPU just can't keep up with the fastest read/write rates of these new cards when it's having to think about loads of other stuff at the same time? Resulting in momentary data loss or corruption, just like WMP will sometimes stutter or crap out.
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...I can reproduce the freezes 5min from home when entering a particular area, and changing cell tower migh have something to do with it...
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The same for me I can reproduce this lockup it in a particular point. But only when I have additional pois activated.
(I have trascend 1Gb 80x)
Without these pois, it works perfectly.