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Hi, i've been looking and reading now for a couple days looking at comments and stuff on those with the newer 8125 G4 chipsets. I can't find a dedicated thread on how to switch it to another rom. I would like to use summiters test2 rom. I had this installed on another 8125 which i returned a couple days ago as the screen had a blimish on it. Too bad as I did downgrade and do everything following the guidelines for it and it worked great. I've seen threads pointing to other threads on the G4's but it seems like people get off topic or don't post what worked and what didn't work. Anyway, if i'm just missing it would someone kindly point me to the right thread or maybe use this thread to post the way it's done currently. I've read you can't go below the 2.xx but what rom's can you use? The main reason I want to put another rom on is the constant locking up. When I had summiters on the other unit it ran perfectly. I have the 2.25.0001 IPL/SPL when it first boots up so i know that's the G4. Thanks for reading......
J
From what people have said, there's a query as to whether or not the CID/SIM unlock on a G4 chipset can be done. That's your major problem.
What I can say for certain, is that if anyone is developing a G4 solution, that would be machinagod. Search for his posts... and see if a tool LokiwizMSL0.3a will do the trick for you. To do this, search for all posts by machinagod, and you'll find a thread on lokiwizMSL which apparently states it works for 2.xx spl's.
BTW, don't forget to enablerapi.cap =) don't say i didn't warn you.
thanks....I looked up machinagod's stuff the other day when looking thru the forums....I guess until I see someone's reply that says thier 8125 with the 2.25.0001 has been changed to ?? rom i'll wait. I get that you can sim unlock the unit if you have another sim to use but after that there is some confusion as to what to do. It would be nice if someone knows exactly what steps to take and all. What options are avail for this G4 unit when you sim unlock it and even pay to cid unlock it if that is necessary. I would just like to use a different rom than Cingulars 2.25 as my unit keeps locking up....mostly after a call but also when browsing on the net. It has locked up using IE and Opera. I called Cingular this morning and the guy said they are upgrading the towers here in So. Florida and people have been complaining about dropped calls and thier phones locking up. Mine though locks even when not on a call...I asked him if they had any "older" new phones but he said he wasn't sure so guess i'll just keep plugging along and reading and hope to find a thread explaining the solution. Thanks again!
J
What we're all not sure of is the address differences between the G3 and G4 chipsets.
One thread, which I cannot recall right now, did detail a way to go from a G4 stock rom to a summiter rom, but I am not sure where it is here, nor what to search for amongst the thousands of threads. My suggestion might be to search for anything that has like '.0001' or 'g4 spl' in it. That might narrow your fields down. Also setting the search to things such as 'posts' instead of threads, that will help. Narrowing the field even further, you can specify the wizard to forum threads, or the wizard upgrading forum threads. I'd stick to the upgrading threads for g4 issues, as for unlocks and such, that machinagod usually posts that in the general wizard forum.
thanks man for the reply....I downloaded the rom from HTC just to reflash and see if maybe it might help with the locking problem somewhat...um, well, it got to 95% complete and an error popped up saying something about the nb file was bad....so, it was looped i guess in the boot screen....turned it off and on only to have that screen come up...tried to reconnect, which it did and started to reflash and again it stopped at 95% after using a new downloaded rom...the same 2.25 from HTC that is...oh well, took it back to the store and got a new one...still has the .0001 on it so will do some more searching and reading and will wait for a viable fix...not gonna be in a hurry if it runs without locking up....call sounds seem to be better i've noticed but that could just be wishful thinking...oh well...thanks again!
J
There is one important thing I want you all to understand when voting on that post. I've already written it there but I'm not sure if people are actually reading the post before voting...
The Herald and the Wing are the SAME device with different keyboards.
If you divide the forums a few issues will arise.
1. Cooks like me, who make ROMs and release both Herald and Wing versions will have to double post.
2. Cooks will not notice new innovations that were created by one person or another unless they read BOTH forums.
3. People will start to only visit one forum and they might miss reading something that may give them ideas. Ideas lead to innovation. It's the same device, so whatever benefits one, benefits us all.
I'll be releasing my EasyBakeOven... Originally it was a Wing kitchen only... if it wasn't for the fact that the Herald forum was one and the same, I would have never thought of making it Herald compatible... Things like this WILL happen.
The reason why I never got confused about the Herald/Wing issue was because I had had a Wizard before and I knew that the title of the forum would be under HTC's code name and I knew that the keyboard might not quite match from one device to another (as Tmobile LOOOOVES adding "tzone" buttons to their devices.)
I say we rename the forum to herald/wing or at least make a sticky saying "THIS IS THE WING FORUM" and telling people about the keyboard difference and instead of dividing the forums, pulling together all our resources and build newer innovations for the Herald device.
it shouldn´t be a new forum. jsut a subforum like "G4" for wizard. they also ahve to read both forums. BUT important things belonging to one device Herald OR wing can be found easier....
and as the wish of 75% of the users IS to create a wing SUBforum....
BUT "flar" didn´t answer till now..
That's why I made this post, to educate those people that might have thought it through. They're thinking they're two completely different devices or don't realize that it will slow down the cooking progress.
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That's why I made this post, to educate those people that might have thought it through. They're thinking they're two completely different devices or don't realize that it will slow down the cooking progress.
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???? slow down cooking process ????
why? it only kills some ONLY wing-related threads to another subforum....
of course the devices ARE the same.
BUT wizard is also one device BUT G4 has some spezialities.... and therefor another subforum...
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???? slow down cooking process ????
why? it only kills some ONLY wing-related threads to another subforum....
of course the devices ARE the same.
BUT wizard is also one device BUT G4 has some spezialities.... and therefor another subforum...
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second that
I still say just rename this forum to include wing in the title or in the description and call it a day.
papamopps said:
???? slow down cooking process ????
why? it only kills some ONLY wing-related threads to another subforum....
of course the devices ARE the same.
BUT wizard is also one device BUT G4 has some spezialities.... and therefor another subforum...
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That's going to kill things like my kitchen and my ROM and ttran's rom into another forum altogether. If I had never kept up with the Herald side of things, I would not have adapted them to work on herald devices.
I never liked the G4 separation, either. But most G3 roms were full fledge ROMs that required CID unlocked devices. G4 roms have different SPL's and other things and couldn't be CID unlocked without paying for it. In their case, their ROMs were a lot less compatible.
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That's going to kill things like my kitchen and my ROM and ttran's rom into another forum altogether. If I had never kept up with the Herald side of things, I would not have adapted them to work on herald devices.
I never liked the G4 separation, either. But most G3 roms were full fledge ROMs that required CID unlocked devices. G4 roms have different SPL's and other things and couldn't be CID unlocked without paying for it. In their case, their ROMs were a lot less compatible.
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what is the problem to cook a rom for wing - post it there and mention that it can also been used for herald.
but with the known for noobs that it was firstly cooked for wing!! based on a wing rom !
of course you can use the roms on both deices
BUT some are based on wing roms and some on herald....
that´s all.
if this would kill your roms. sad.
but for noobs better to understand why they have issus with a wingrom on herald and a heraldrom on wing...
for me i stop discussing because at least it is the admin dicision...
I must say that ivanmmj's opinion makes absolutely sense to me. I had the same thoughts.
The Herald/Wing community is already so small that a further separation will shrink the overall effectiveness.
Unlike the differences between a G4/G3 version of other HTC devices the Wing and Herald only differ in the hardware keyboard and simply the casing.
Since Duprade made the effort to overcome this barrier we shouldn't create a new one a devide the Herald and Wing users.
We are already a small group.
My Understanding is that you can Not use a Wing ROM on the Herald as you can Not use a Herald ROM on the Wing. Keyboard and other issues. So you have to separate them anyway.
Am I Wrong?
papamopps said:
what is the problem to cook a rom for wing - post it there and mention that it can also been used for herald.
but with the known for noobs that it was firstly cooked for wing!! based on a wing rom !
of course you can use the roms on both deices
BUT some are based on wing roms and some on herald....
that´s all.
if this would kill your roms. sad.
but for noobs better to understand why they have issus with a wingrom on herald and a heraldrom on wing...
for me i stop discussing because at least it is the admin dicision...
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The ROMs we have here are based out of ports of other ROMs, too. The only real problem with using the wrong ROM is the keyboard. Unfortunately, it's the new users unwillingness to read that causes the problems that they get. I'm just worried because, like zcink mentioned, we're small enough as it is.
I'm not saying that I will stop cooking, but that I might have not have done it from the begining if it had been a divided forum from the begining.
It IS the Admin's choice, but unless he/she is given a good choice to choose from, he/she will just go with what they see first that people might want. I know that if I were the admin of a site THIS large, I wouldn't have the time to read every post regarding every issue.
Either way, I just want to make sure that people who choose, choose after knowing the full picture.
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My Understanding is that you can Not use a Wing ROM on the Herald as you can Not use a Herald ROM on the Wing. Keyboard and other issues. So you have to separate them anyway.
Am I Wrong?
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You can use it vice versa
keep it how it is just rename it to herald/wing
zcink said:
My Understanding is that you can Not use a Wing ROM on the Herald as you can Not use a Herald ROM on the Wing. Keyboard and other issues. So you have to separate them anyway.
Am I Wrong?
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You are wrong
The main difference was the keyboard mismatch which has been solved
KEYBOARD FIX for WING / HERALD & ROM hardware keyboard (keybddr.dll) mismatch
That was pretty much the only difference that was a problem.
I think separating them is ridiculous. I agree 100% with IVAN, Simplicity05, and GAMBIT. I definitely say let's add the name to the forum, and we'll make a sticky for n00bs and that can include all the info they need to know...
but the herald/wing is a SMALL community so segregating it will just make it worse in my honest opinion.
So now instead of dealing with people posting stuff in the wrong herald subforum as we stand now .... we're going to have to start dealing with:
"this post should go into the Wing forum"
"this post should go into the herald forum"
"this post should go into the Wing forum"
"this post should go into the herald forum"
"this post should go into the Wing forum"
"this post should go into the herald forum"
"this post should go into the Wing forum"
"this post should go into the herald forum"
"this post should go into the Wing forum"
"this post should go into the herald forum"
Personally, I've been installing Herald roms on my wing since day 1, using the aserg method, but now with the hardSPL we really shouldn't have any issues going forward. I think a Wing forum just leaves things to be missed. If you only check the wing one, you might miss out on a great rom (Kudos to itje!!!)
I say we rename the forum to herald/wing or at least make a sticky saying "THIS IS THE WING FORUM" and telling people about the keyboard difference and instead of dividing the forums, pulling together all our resources and build newer innovations for the Herald device.[/QUOTE
I came here to post my thoughts , I definitely agree on renaming the forum, a sub forum would definitely be confusing to many people and cause double posting. I will go vote now.
yea i changed my vote from new sub form to my suggestion of renaming the forms we have now, and making up a comrehencive post, which i did and got my frist sticky here at xda.
i think between the rename and the post i put together. and the help of all the great minds on this form with helping me add all the good data we can find - we will make it that much easier for us and noobs like myself to navigate
OK. Let´s stay a big family and rename it.
I´ll report "flar"... the admin.
(singing) "We are family" .......... :-D
itje said:
(singing) "We are family" .......... :-D
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(clapping to itje's beat)
Seems like us herald/wing aficionados have this great Herald mobile 6 board, and also a Herald Upgrading & Modification board, but it seems like somewhere along the line someone got confused and started posting customization stuff in the mobile board. Just seems pointless and potentially confusing to have both and could probably get merged into a single board.
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Seems like us herald/wing aficionados have this great Herald mobile 6 board, and also a Herald Upgrading & Modification board, but it seems like somewhere along the line someone got confused and started posting customization stuff in the mobile board. Just seems pointless and potentially confusing to have both and could probably get merged into a single board.
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As I understand:
Herald = all things in ANY way related to herlad
Herald assecoirs = all HARDWARE add ons for Herlad Cases, Earplug, Bluetooth...
Herald - upgrading = before WM6 it was for tools and all APPS regarding WM5 upgrade to higher Radio, ROm, IPL - SPL, etc...
Herald WM6 - was created when the first WM6 roms came out for Herlad also.... becuse the Herald is sold with WM5 and WM6
Wing Mobile 6 = my ashamed try to gett more clearence into the board
hahah
Thing is though, activity on the upgrading board is at a crawl, and most of the questions regarding wm5 end up here anyways. Perhaps we could change the upgrading board into the sticky board that always gets refered/linked to, since nobody seems to read them here anyways, and cook this forum to be a clean or black release?
Hey all, I just ordered a AT&T Tilt (HTC Kaiser) to replace my aging Cingy 8525 (Hermes), so I decided to check out this forum and noticed allot of names I recognized from the Hermes forum, glad to be in familar territory.
The first thing I looked for was a hard SPL program and found it, thanks POF. Now I'm looking for a good ROM, something similar to Schaps for the hermes, any advice would be appreciated.
Think I'm gonna try Duts death beta 3.5 first, after I hard SPL it
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Hey all, I just ordered a AT&T Tilt (HTC Kaiser) to replace my aging Cingy 8525 (Hermes), so I decided to check out this forum and noticed allot of names I recognized from the Hermes forum, glad to be in familar territory.
The first thing I looked for was a hard SPL program and found it, thanks POF. Now I'm looking for a good ROM, something similar to Schaps for the hermes, any advice would be appreciated.
Think I'm gonna try Duts death beta 3.5 first, after I hard SPL it
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If you came from the Hermes forum, then you know how it works.......
Go to the rom development forum read and flash; flash and read until you get what you want. Have fun and welcome to the Kaiser forum.
denco7 said:
If you came from the Hermes forum, then you know how it works.......
Go to the rom development forum read and flash; flash and read until you get what you want. Have fun and welcome to the Kaiser forum.
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I couldn't have said it better myself.
Good luck!
Haykuro dubbed it "special" spl when he passed it along to us. It has since picked up more names than I can recall. Months have gone by. Am I alone in thinking we should pick one and stick with it already? Also why does it not yet have a spot in the thread that lists DREAM SPLs?
Cyanogen named it Danger I believe
its not on there because its not a dream spl
its a magic spl ported to the dream (htc magic 4 u n00bs)
i usually call it haykuros spl along with the numbers, but i use danger just so noobs know not to blindly flash it
i call it the doom bringer because i used to have some pics in my sig referencing the scooty puff sr and jr from futurama.
also i always label it by the numbers when telling some one about it, since i have seen people say which spl should i get, danger, haykuro, hard, and it is like 2 of those you listed are the same thing.
Ah, well that explains why it didn't make the list. I've always called it Haykuro's or Special, but I kinda like danger too because it is a blatant warning. Can't say you were not aware of the risk when you are flashing something with Danger in it's name, right?
I always thought it was "Haykuro's Danger." Best of both worlds.
Wheres the option for calling it 'Nightmare'?
What about "Noob blaster"
supremeteam256 said:
What about "Noob blaster"
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lmfao Excellent choice.
supremeteam256 said:
What about "Noob blaster"
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this is the best name for it!
i kind of like gravestone or heart attack spl. how bout stroke spl
Alright I'm copyrighting the name "Noob Blaster" so if anyone wants to use it give credit where credit is due.
Personally, I think we should call it the "wrecking" spl but I could also be persauding into the "spl you aren't supposed to flash before you flash the new radio" spl
i could also be persuded to use that but can we break it down into an acronym to make it easier to type