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Hi all,
Does anyone know if T-Mobile has debilitated their version of the HTC Touch Diamond, called the MDA Compact IV by removing Wi-Fi, similar to what they did with MDA Compact III and others before that?
Here’s a video of the T-Mobile variant of the HTC Touch Diamond I was talking about above along with the customised (branded) TouchFlo 3D interface.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XhrnATHTlkQ
It really worries me that they might have removed WiFi from their phone, with their unlimited Web & Walk tariffs now, what possible advantage would they have to do this?
If you look closely at the video above when the person goes into the settings menu, you are able to see under the condensed communications menu it does say WiFi.
But this is a pre-production model so it might not be accurate. Also, I noticed on the home screen there was no WiFi active icon on the title bar, but this might be because it wasn’t turned on.
Finally, if you look at the four buttons, they are reversed when compared with the HTC Diamond, the call and answer are at the top on the MDA Compact IV, whereas they are on the bottom on the HTC Touch Diamond.
Now if T-Mobile, have gone as far as switching the position of the buttons, then they might of also requested that WiFi is disabled. Then again, as it was a pre-production model, the buttons on the production version might be in the same place as the HTC version.
So many questions, and no answers!
Hey guys,
i was wondering off to the Tmobile website(dutch version) and the site says that the compact 4 is coming soon!!
gr. bram
link: Dutch T-mo Compact 4
Thanks bram_smulders,
I noticed that they don’t mention WiFi anywhere, just Web & Walk. Also notice how the buttons are still the other way round when compared to HTC’s OEM version. I hope someone can give me a definitive answer, but at the moment the signs don’t look good!
why no WIFI
imranbashir_uk said:
Thanks bram_smulders,
I noticed that they don’t mention WiFi anywhere, just Web & Walk. Also notice how the buttons are still the other way round when compared to HTC’s OEM version. I hope someone can give me a definitive answer, but at the moment the signs don’t look good!
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With the MDA compac III in NL there was GPS and WIFI on it, so why shouldn't it be on this one.
the uk and probably other places compact 3 has no wifi, wheras the exact same device on o2 in terms of the insides [the orbit 1] has wifi...
imranbashir_uk said:
It really worries me that they might have removed WiFi from their phone, with their unlimited Web & Walk tariffs now, what possible advantage would they have to do this?
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That looks like the whole point to me. If their Web & Walk tariffs are unlimited, and the Touch Diamond has HSDPA, who needs wifi?
Your comment is really quite ignorant.
Wi-Fi has many advantages over 3G and HSDPA in terms of speed, and reliability to name just a few.
Businesses that have WiFi LAN’s and WAN’s setup for sharing their intranet, storage servers, exchange servers, are behind a firewall and cannot be accessed over the internet even using VPN use it with their laptops and mobile devices.
If your device has WiFi and HSDPA then using appropriate software you would be able to make your phone into a mobile WiFi router, and connect a laptop to the internet in an emergency.
At home, WiFi can be used to stream video, audio, share NAS drives, and printers, the list goes on and on.
Additionally, you might live in an area that has no 3G coverage, then you’re stuck with GPRS or nothing, but if you had a wireless router at home, then that’s not a problem.
Finally, if you’re on a legacy tariff or cannot justify the additional £7 per month for Web & Walk as it’s only for occasional use, then WiFi is a free option, assuming you have access to a WiFi network.
Do you want more reasons?
The people at T-Tobile obviously are ignorant.
But your reasons assume and ignore a lot too:
1. Wifi itself may be fast, but broadband internet connections are not necesarily faster than 3G. Ireland is a good example. Where Rory (daredking) lives is also a good example (and that's in London!).
2. If you work for a business that has such high sceurity, that's your problem. Don't get a T-Mobile phone.
3. You can connect a laptop to the internet via your phone with bluetooth too. Personally, I've never seen it done with wifi - bluetooth and USB connections for that are much more common.
4. At home, again, bluetooth and USB can be used for at least most of those things. If your house is too big, why are you getting a T-Mobile phone?
5. If you live in the middle of nowhere, you're more likely to have a bad broadband connection than lack of 3G (at least in the British Isles).
6. Wifi may be free, but it has very limited coverage. Most people don't spend their lives within a few tens of metres of a wireless router.
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The people at T-Tobile obviously are ignorant.
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I’m glad we agree that T-Mobile is wrong to disable WiFi, or at least I think that’s what you mean. To answer the rest of your points:
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1. Wifi itself may be fast, but broadband internet connections are not necesarily faster than 3G. Ireland is a good example. Where Rory (daredking) lives is also a good example (and that's in London!).
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I never said broadband is always faster than 3G I said WiFi is faster that 3G and HSDPA. Never the less in most cases broadband is still faster than 3G, but possibly not HSDPA depending on who your ISP is and what your local exchange supports.
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2. If you work for a business that has such high sceurity, that's your problem. Don't get a T-Mobile phone.
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That’s my point exactly I shouldn’t have to be forced away from T-Mobile or forced to by an unsubsidised phone.
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3. You can connect a laptop to the internet via your phone with bluetooth too. Personally, I've never seen it done with wifi - bluetooth and USB connections for that are much more common.
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Why on earth would you want to connect your laptop over Bluetooth thereby limiting your connection speed to 2Mbps or 1Mbps with 1.0, and limit your range to a few meters. Even that assumes you have Bluetooth on your laptop which may not be the case. To use USB, you got to have your cable with you take out your phone, and have a desk handy to put everything. More info on WiFi to HSDPA router here, once you do it you will never look back at Bluetooth, give it a go! http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=341398
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4. At home, again, bluetooth and USB can be used for at least most of those things. If your house is too big, why are you getting a T-Mobile phone?
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LOL I’m not even going to both responding to the comment that if my house is to big I shouldn’t be getting a T-mobile phone! I didn’t know T-mobile was only marketing their phones to people with small houses! All my equipment runs and streams over WiFi, this give me better range, and more bandwidth there is no point or advantage in doing it over Bluetooth.
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5. If you live in the middle of nowhere, you're more likely to have a bad broadband connection than lack of 3G (at least in the British Isles).
6. Wifi may be free, but it has very limited coverage. Most people don't spend their lives within a few tens of metres of a wireless router.
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What’s that got to do with anything? The point I was trying to make is that when available it’s better to use WiFi over 3G. i.e. at home and work I connect over WiFi, anywhere else I use GPRS or 3G.
At the end of the day, it comes down to choice, T-Mobile have chosen to disable WiFi. I and many others who do use WiFi are forced to choose between a subsidised handset from T-Mobile, or moving to a different service provider, or buying an unbranded phone. If T-Mobile didn’t disable the WiFi like O2 and Orange, well then this thread would not exist!
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I’m glad we agree that T-Mobile is wrong to disable WiFi, or at least I think that’s what you mean.
At the end of the day, it comes down to choice, T-Mobile have chosen to disable WiFi. I and many others who do use WiFi are forced to choose between a subsidised handset from T-Mobile, or moving to a different service provider, or buying an unbranded phone. If T-Mobile didn’t disable the WiFi like O2 and Orange, well then this thread would not exist!
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I actually agree with you totally. Having known Mark (Dark Fire) for 7 years, i argue with him every day, but youve got him beat in my view here. im sure hes going to stab me or something now, but anyways, i think youre right.
On a side note, I dont think they have actually disabled it. If anyone can point me somewhere it says they have done, then please do, but i thought this was a thread firstly asking if they would, then slowly moving on to why tmobile are stupid if they disable it, then onto why it doesnt matter if its disabled.
Anyway, like I said, if somebody can show me somewhere it says it is disabled on the diamond, please do
Rory
This could obviously go on for ages. I am not supporting T-Mobile at all - I just said that their flawed reasoning was obvious.
"I’m glad we agree that T-Mobile is wrong to disable WiFi, or at least I think that’s what you mean." - Clearly that's what I mean.
"I never said broadband is always faster than 3G I said WiFi is faster that 3G and HSDPA." - How else is a wireless router going to connect to the internet?
"That’s my point exactly I shouldn’t have to be forced away from T-Mobile or forced to by an unsubsidised phone." - O2 forced me away through their lack of mobile internet. These things happen all of the time. Get used to it.
"Why on earth would you want to connect your laptop over Bluetooth thereby limiting your connection speed to 2Mbps or 1Mbps with 1.0, and limit your range to a few meters." - If you're on your laptop, connecting to the internet via your phone, your phone is obviously going to be within that range. Most servers have such slow connections or are used by so many people that a connection faster than 2Mbps doesn't make a difference (my broadband connection is 13Mbps, and I really don't notice the difference over 2Mbps). BTW, I only have a Touch, so doing wifi stuff with it is a bit pointless.
"I’m not even going to both responding to the comment that if my house is to big I shouldn’t be getting a T-mobile phone!" - You're completely misinterpreting that point, as I knew you would. My point is that most people don't have houses that are so large that the majority of the house is going to be outside bluetooth range - the distances over which I've achieved bluetooth connections have been surprising, and they can also undoubtedly be improved using several techniques.
"The point I was trying to make is that when available it’s better to use WiFi over 3G. i.e. at home and work I connect over WiFi, anywhere else I use GPRS or 3G." - No, you've missed my point again. My point is that, at least in the British Isles (I really don't know about other places), 3G is going to perform better due to lack of good broadband speeds at exchanges and distance from exchanges. As I said before, wifi may be fast, but it's the broadband speed that matters (unless you're accessing the local network, which you will not be most of the time).
Oh, and Rory, you always think I'm beaten, but you know that I kill people on details.
So on these phones that had wifi disabled, was it a hardware modification or just disabled in software?
I know the usual way to disable Wifi through software is to delete calibration and setup data in the WiFi chip. This can be reinstated if you have a path to direct connect to the wifi chip - either through OS or via baseband.
Was any effort made at all to try to enable wifi in those phones?
I don't really know, but from the way people have such strong feelings about it, I'd guess that it's a hardware modification. That does seem a bit extreme, but T-Mobile will have their reasons. Personally, I'd say that wifi disabled through software modification is a good feature - it would certainly provide many more hours of fun than having working wifi to begin with.
it was hardware, much like the disabled gps in the hermes.
disabled wifi by soft would be solved by a rom update
and yes, they tried to fix it [come on, its xda-developers, not xda-users lol]
Rory
Thats interesting, so they probably completly removed the WiFi chip itself.
I guess you could solder a new one in place, but thats alot of work
http://forum.xda-developers.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=35879&d=1174679272
that pic is of a mda compact III, and shows why theres no wifi, its because the antenna is missing...
Hmm, but you would still be able to enable it (after flashing the right rom/bootloader), but would probably get a really weak signal.
But i guess from that its not just the antenna, but the main chip too. It wouldnt be dificult (costly) in production to run a set of boards without that one chip.
exactly, but i think tmob prob lost a lot of custom to o2,seeing as msot palces have all the phone shops [at least here in the uk] so its easy enough to walk down the road to an o2 shop and get the exact same phone but with wifi...
so im saying its not gona have crippled wifi...
ill look around for proof
having looked for proof, i havet found any, but the tmobile netherlands site doesnt say wifi in specs, btu does say hsdpa, bluetooth 3mp cam and 4gb flash memory.
but....... when paul from modaco "stumbled upon the compact 4 specs at the mobile world congress" it had wifi in the specs
so still inconclusive
Rory
I saw on another thread that by default HSUPA is disabled. Does anyone know how to enable this?
Thanks in advance...
Do any networks anywhere even have HSUPA? I'm fairly sure its coming this year on most UK networks, but doesn't the US not even have proper 3G?
http://pdadb.net/index.php?m=specs&id=1311
No HSUPA
When I saw this question, I had a feeling that it was a rumoured spec, and then wasn't in the Diamond, but only in the Touch Pro.
Rory
In Germany we have some networks that offer HSUPA (e.g. T-Mobile, Vodafone).
What about the concurrent usage of HSUPA and HSDPA? I recently saw in the xperia x1 datasheet that concurrent usage of both techniques is possible at reduced speed of HSDPA (down to 3,6 MBit/s).
The question is, how does the diamond deal with this? I still wonder why the feature was disabled at all? I currently own a HTC TyTN and also had to enable HSDPA using some hacks. What I realized is a colossal battery consumption when using HSDPA.
So maybe HSUPA was disabled at the diamond for a good reason? Maybe the battery drain is too huge when HSUPA is turned on?
Unfortunately there is still not much reporting about this feature in the forums.
I'm really strugling to understand what you could possibly need HSUPA for on a mobile!
What data could you possibly need to upload at such speed? I imagine they disabled HSUPA to save on battery life. There's so very very few applications of it where you would see a difference.
HKLM\Software\HTC\AdvancedNetwork:
SupportHSUPA <--- set this value to "1", (default values is: "0")
someone1234 said:
I'm really strugling to understand what you could possibly need HSUPA for on a mobile!
What data could you possibly need to upload at such speed? I imagine they disabled HSUPA to save on battery life. There's so very very few applications of it where you would see a difference.
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Please keep in mind that some people (like me) use the device also in connection with a laptop (ICS). Sending a bunch of data from a laptop is not very unlikely.
Surely it might not be essential, but if the device basically supports this feature, I would like to take benefit of it.
@SecureGSM
Do I have to reboot the device after the registry change? (I currently do not own the device, therefore I have to ask).
If it's easy to switch it on and off just by registry without reboot, then I have no problem with this as the device is charged while connected via USB. But it would not be very nice if I had to reboot the device everytime I connect and disconnect it from my laptop in order to enable or disable HSUPA.
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HKLM\Software\HTC\AdvancedNetwork:
SupportHSUPA <--- set this value to "1", (default values is: "0")
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Cool, thanks for that.
foo said:
Please keep in mind that some people (like me) use the device also in connection with a laptop (ICS).
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Which is exactly why I need this device... finally I can get rid of my PCMCIA-Data-Card and even better - change from two contract to one+data option.
foo said:
Please keep in mind that some people (like me) use the device also in connection with a laptop (ICS). Sending a bunch of data from a laptop is not very unlikely.
Surely it might not be essential, but if the device basically supports this feature, I would like to take benefit of it.
@SecureGSM
Do I have to reboot the device after the registry change? (I currently do not own the device, therefore I have to ask).
If it's easy to switch it on and off just by registry without reboot, then I have no problem with this as the device is charged while connected via USB. But it would not be very nice if I had to reboot the device everytime I connect and disconnect it from my laptop in order to enable or disable HSUPA.
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You may need a soft reset... You will almost certainly need to switch the phone functionality off and on.
foo said:
Please keep in mind that some people (like me) use the device also in connection with a laptop (ICS). Sending a bunch of data from a laptop is not very unlikely.
Surely it might not be essential, but if the device basically supports this feature, I would like to take benefit of it.
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Yes but sending large amounts of data, or 'serving' large amounts of data is only ever usefull when running services. Since networks use private addresses and you have no access obviously to redirect ports, its kind of useless. There are VERY VERY few reasons to use HSUPA, and i'm sure anyone would struggle to justify any of them to me.
Its a cool acronym, but useless in todays network topologies.
Btw, ICS ontop of the exisiting NAT carried out by the GGSN will cause a myriad of problems with out going source initiated connections.
I have designed and VO'd alot of IP, 2G, 2.5G and 3G equipment, so if you have any questions or queries about the technology i am happy to explain.
My personal view is that enabling HSUPA without a specific need is to your detriment. The power consumption does not justify the minimal increase in upload for typical short packets, even after overhead.
Can anyone tell me the difference between the big bright "H" and the dimmed and smaller "H" that shows on the top menu bar?
I guess it has something to do with this matter discussed in this thread, but I'm not sure.
NOTE: I haven't made any tweak to the phone...yet
HastaSSSS
someone1234 said:
Yes but sending large amounts of data, or 'serving' large amounts of data is only ever usefull when running services. Since networks use private addresses and you have no access obviously to redirect ports, its kind of useless. There are VERY VERY few reasons to use HSUPA, and i'm sure anyone would struggle to justify any of them to me.
Its a cool acronym, but useless in todays network topologies.
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I don't get the point. Just imagine you want to send your friends some nice photos of your last vacation or your new favorite MP3 Song(s). Such a song may have about 5-10 MBytes, which takes 3-4 minutes to be transfered using ordinary UMTS (assuming you get 384 kbit/s upload, which is also not always the case).
Sure, you (or your friend) can wait 3-4 Minutes, but HSUPA does the same in less then a minute. And if you want to send more then one song, then you will be really happy having HSUPA.
Next example: I upload all my photo stuff to flickr. I have some Gigabytes of images stored there already and it is a colossal pain in the ass to upload them. I would even consider using HSUPA for this as with 1,4 MBit/s it's faster then my stationary Internet connection. (1 MBit/s upload)
Next example: Uploading an almost 100 MByte Video to YouTube (I've also done this several times). With UMTS you don't want to do this, at least it will be very annoying to wait until it's done. With HSUPA it's not a big deal.
Next example: Online Photo development - no need to explain the advantage of HSUPA here...
So you see, it's not about running a server, it's just about actively sending data (FTP/SCP Client connections, email with attachments, webform uploads (webspace, flickr, youtube, ...), ...)
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Btw, ICS ontop of the exisiting NAT carried out by the GGSN will cause a myriad of problems with out going source initiated connections.
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Might be, but this is what I do now for almost 2 years with my TyTN already. It's okay for me, I can do VPN with the company I work for, access my home-PC using Remote Desktop Connection, surf the net, send emails, use messengers, receive live TV / music via streaming from my home-PC, use SSH Tunnels to get remote access to my home network, use FTP Client connections.
See, there are a lot of possibilities and that's all I want and that's sufficient for a lot of other people as well.
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My personal view is that enabling HSUPA without a specific need is to your detriment. The power consumption does not justify the minimal increase in upload for typical short packets, even after overhead.
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Well, I might have different requirements then you, but I gave you some examples where it absolutely makes sense to have HSUPA.
Yes you're absolutly right, its is usefull for faster uploads, thats basically what it does!
But like i said its only usefull in very specific scenarios, like you described. For normal usage, web, mail (unless you constantly forward large atachments), MMS its not worth it.
What your describing would probably kill your battery in a few hours anyway.
With regards to ICS, you're talking about use the phone as a 'modem', or sharing the phones internet connection with your PC's. This doesnt work the same way as ICS on a pc, its specifically a one to one connection from phone to your PC, so there's no double net. Sorry for the confusion.
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What your describing would probably kill your battery in a few hours anyway.
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The nice thing is that my TyTN and hopefully the Diamond / Touch Pro as well, is charging while connected to the laptop using ICS. So while I'm connected to a laptop I do not care about battery life and when I use the phone in "standalone mode", I don't need HSUPA.
Therefore I would appreciate if it could be easily turned on and off.
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With regards to ICS, you're talking about use the phone as a 'modem', or sharing the phones internet connection with your PC's. This doesnt work the same way as ICS on a pc, its specifically a one to one connection from phone to your PC, so there's no double net. Sorry for the confusion.
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Yes, that's right, but "modem" and ICS is different also when using it on the mobile device:
In Windows Mobile 5 I used a modem application and got the private class A network address from my mobile provider also on the laptop.
In Windows Mobile 6 I use the ICS application and have a new indirection. The laptop get's a private class C address and the mobile device also has the private class A address from the provider.
The provider itself does some additional NAT to translate my private class A address to something valid for the Internet.
e.g.
Provider / Public IP
92.116.25.X (Internet)
10.X.X.X (WAN)
____|______
Mobile Device
10.X.X.X (WAN)
192.168.0.1 ("LAN")
____|_____
Laptop
192.168.0.102 ("LAN")
Sorry for a little bit off topic here.
Saw in above post someone mentioned about Touch Pro & Xperia.
Are they actually same hardware with different clothing. And Xperia uses MicroSD and does not use M2.
Heard somewhere SE engaged some Taiwan company to make M$ Phone.
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Can anyone tell me the difference between the big bright "H" and the dimmed and smaller "H" that shows on the top menu bar?
I guess it has something to do with this matter discussed in this thread, but I'm not sure.
NOTE: I haven't made any tweak to the phone...yet
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G = gprs available in area (BTS supports gprs)
E = edge available in area (BTS supports edge)
H = HSDPA available in area (BTS supports HSDPA)
The same letter next to the signal means you're connected using that technology. Same letter with the signal bars changed to arrows means your transfering data using that technology.
Yeah, I know that...
The thing is that sometimes the big "H" becomes just a bit smaller and the white box becomes dimmed...
My first thought would be it shows up when the phone trying to find something...synchronizing, ....
I wish I've taken a screenshot...but it happens randomly...
And then I thought: could it be that the big sharp "H" is when the phone is under HSUPA, and when the "H" is a bit smaller and the box becomes dimmer, than it's under HSDPA?...
Bye
hmm the dimmed one is probabaly a handover.
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I saw on another thread that by default HSUPA is disabled. Does anyone know how to enable this?
Thanks in advance...
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I found it in the registy database, and was now given the option to enable it together with HSDPA.
Simply install a reg editor on your Diamond, search for HSUPA, change Value to 1, and you can now enable HSUPA on your Diamond.
I have not tested if it acually makes ha difference, I don't know how ;-)
Or better still flash your rom to the TLR one and its available in the options ie you can enable it or disable it. SAves having to go through the registry to change the setting.
hey guys, finally switched over to at&t from tmobile, so i FINALLY have 3G! and to boot, down here in miami, we have HSDPA! so anyways, i wanted to know what are some ways you guys use it? as in streaming media, podcasts, etc.. any ideas would be great, cuz i'm brand new to the world of 800 kbs/sec internet!
Do yourself a favor and download a program called "advanced configuration tool". In the "buttons" area, put a button 5 called 3G.
Personally, I keep 3G turned off, unless I want to look up something on the web.
I get a lot better battery life out of 2G (Edge) than 3G, which eats up the battery. Only downshot is that if you are on the phone, you can't receive email
at the same time. Lots of other tweaks in the advanced configuration tool, you'll have to ask others on XDA what works best.
Hmm what to use it for? The same you'd do with EDGE but faster?
Personally I don't consider 3G as useful on the phone itself, but rather when tethering with the laptop.
I'm currently running the stock AT&T Rom (Windows Mobile 6.0) without bloatware on my Tilt. I'm running the newest Slingbox (1.6) for Pocket PC.
I currently have 2 "H" signal where I watch my slingplayer, but either my phone or the signal is screwy.
When watching I will have bursts of good framerate, but constant freezing, and choppy playback.
I've tried all sorts of combinations of settings.
I've tried the slingplayer auto optimization, I've set my bit rate to a variety of amounts, and frame rates, as well as with and without the GDI rendering. I've tried just about every combo of settings in the player. I do know that this is not on the slingbox's end though, as it works great from computers when remote viewing..
I've changed my KaiserTweak settings (such as TCP windows size) but none of those improve it.
I've even set my bitrate to the lowest possible it still freezes off and on. I've gotten to the point where I think it must be the phone that is causing this.
I'm surprised I don't see more people with this issue.
Does anyone have any suggestions that may improve this for me?
what is the lowest bw that slingplayer have? if you are using edge, you'll have to be able to go as low as 40kbps... also, what is your upstream bw limited to? try connecting via wifi & see if you are still having problems.
i use orb to stream my tv tuner & prefer not to waste money on slingplayer...
If you want to see if it's the phone or the signal, plug it into a computer on the network of your SlingBox and use the ActiveSync connection. At least that way, if it works great you know it's a singal/bandwidth issue, and if it's still screwy, you know it's your phone.
Personally, mine ran fine on the AT&T stock Rom for quite a while, and I didn't really notice any issues....but I usually had at least 3 or 4 H bars when I was using it. Right now I'm running a cooked 6.1 rom and it works great on that too, but you should still be able to get decent playback with stock.
Another thing to try (this might sound odd), but try disabling HDSPA. There could be a chance that you actually get better signal with 3G than with H (and 3G is still enough speed for a smooth picture).
Have you tried it on a Wireless LAN? Mine works no problem at all either on 3g or wireless lan.
odd.... I have edge so I dont sling unless I find wifi or travel out of my city to a 3g or better area. But when I was on "H" it was near wifi quality with no hiccups. Try wifi and try ruling out at&t's network.
SlingBox Rules. One of the greatest purchases I've ever made. I like connecting to my friends slingbox in oregon to watch Pac 10 college football games! Go Trojans
Well I connected my phone to my wifi at home (network my box is on) - and it was better, but still not great. Maybe I'm just expecting too much.
Even at home my frame-rate was fairly choppy. I tried Auto optimization, and many variations of bit-rate and other settings (GDI).
Is there any setting in KaiserTweak that may actually slow internet? Such as TCP window size, or resends (Data/Connect)? (Would the GDI/Font Cache help with slingplayer any since it's using GDI rendering?
Thanks for the suggestions so far guys. It may just be this spot were I sit at work has a shakey signal strength or something.
If anyone has any other suggestions please let me know - Thanks.
@Valtamr: I did try disabling H once a few weeks back, and for that day I thought it was better, but later it started acting up again. Do you know why H might sometimes be worse?
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@Valtamr: I did try disabling H once a few weeks back, and for that day I thought it was better, but later it started acting up again. Do you know why H might sometimes be worse?
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I'm not really sure why that could be the case. I just know that in certain places I can get a very different level of signal strength between E and H (E is full strength, but only 2 bars of H), so I thought that could possibly also be the case between H and 3G (maybe you could get 4 bars of 3G where you only could get 2 bars of H). So yeah....I don't have a whole lot of knowledge behind that, but I figured it was an easy enough test to try....just trying to help you troubleshoot.
Have you tried it in non full screen? Full screen I get crappy playback but in non full screen its pretty much perfect.
netboy said:
Have you tried it in non full screen? Full screen I get crappy playback but in non full screen its pretty much perfect.
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I'm not surprised by that, when you do that it's a smaller resolution - which uses less bandwidth.
I'll try again next work-week (couldn't test today) to see if any of these suggestions helped. At the point I'm assuming that I have some network issues where I sit.
Well, I did try the suggestions a few weeks back but no change. I still assume where I sit at work has some signal issues.
I did notice however that even at home on my wifi my frame-rate was still choppier than it should have been. This I have attributed to the poor video playback on the Tilt.
In any case, I did discover something helpful here: I updated to the official AT&T 6.1 ROM and noticed a drastic improvement. Although the video playback is not where it should be for the phone, it did improve the Slingplayer quality greatly.
I could instantly notice the video looked smoother and more consistent. I now can go 1-2 hours of slingplaying with only 1 or 2 hiccups, and those have been very minor.
I think my earlier troubles were a mix of the phone performance and the signal. But the 6.1 change has really helped out.
I need to try the HTC CA drivers and see if it helps anymore. I did notice that the Samsung Omnia ones "seemed" to help some (back on 6.0) - but I know it was not supposed to, so maybe I just had a lucky streak of good signal or something.
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I am having trouble using Orb on my Tilt. I can watch videos/tv through my wifi but not on the gprs EDGE network. You guys are saying that it's working for you. What am I doing wrong? Every time I click on video or tv channel it opens up WMP and says "paused" then eventually says "The server is busy or is not responding. Try again later." I have tried everything.
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I am having trouble using Orb on my Tilt. I can watch videos/tv through my wifi but not on the gprs EDGE network. You guys are saying that it's working for you. What am I doing wrong? Every time I click on video or tv channel it opens up WMP and says "paused" then eventually says "The server is busy or is not responding. Try again later." I have tried everything.
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Well, I can't speak for Orb.....but yeah, I said streaming video is working for me. What I DIDN'T say is that streaming video is working for me on EDGE. So what are you doing wrong?.....you are trying to get streaming video to work over a connection that is too slow for it. You need to have a decent 3G (preferably HSDPA) connection to be able to use this sort of thing - EDGE simply wasn't made to do what you are trying to do.
I am experiencing the same issue on a brand new Sprint Touch pro with slingplayer 1.6. The phone is an EVDO rev-a device and I still get low framerate, dropping datarate, etc, then sometimes it falls back to the 1x network. I tried wifi connected to a WRT54g and it definitely stabilized but the kbps averaged 245 to 330 at 14 FPS. My Windows xp client averages about 745 kbps on the same internet connection.
I tried it at home where the slingbox truly resides, connected to wifi and there were still low results. I thought for sure it would go over 1000 kbps. There has to be some network throttling going on on Windows Mobile.
Any others out there experiencing this? Any other tweaks that someone else may discovered?
I get the same, tethered to my laptop I get impeccable performance.
The same 3g connection on my tilt stutters on full screen, i generally enable slingstream optimisation and gdi rendering which helps.
There is a new Mobile Client in the pipeline.... although if its a driver issue the tilt is screwed either way, because on my Blue Angel over wifi slingplayer is perfect, as good as a portable tv.
Im assuming its a combination of bad drivers and slingplayer throttling the bandwidth for battery purposes.
Id like to be able to have a slider much like the wifi performance one, because a lot of the time my tilt is externally powered, so power usage is not an issue.
I kinda had this problem when I switched from my 8525 to the tilt, I just switched all the setting back to default and it is pretty much flawless as long as I'm in 3g and also pretty damn good in the edge network as long as I have at least 3 bars. Have you tried reinstalling Slingplayer mobile/ Also make sure you dont have any background application running in your active programs list.
What version of skype mobile works on edge
and what is the rom that allows skype to connect easily
thank you for your answers
IT doesn't work on edge, it should even tell you that. Skype requires a lot of bandwidth to work there for it can't work on the slow edge connection.
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IT doesn't work on edge, it should even tell you that. Skype requires a lot of bandwidth to work there for it can't work on the slow edge connection.
DUh
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Always got something funny to say ChumleyEX, we really do need a basement for all these post's of the noobus a complete sub forum devoted to the worst of the worst and infact just to keep us all busy, we could have a noob of the week
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IT doesn't work on edge, it should even tell you that. Skype requires a lot of bandwidth to work there for it can't work on the slow edge connection.
DUh
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and what are the devices that work in skype EDGE
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and what are the devices that work in skype EDGE
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Seriously????
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Seriously????
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**agree**
Ok, first of all its not the device that is causing the issue. Edge is a type of data connection that caps out max speed at about 384 kilobytes a second. Skype needs a faster connection speed than that in order to stream the voice data packets. 3G/ HSDPA is approx 1800 kbps. If you do the math, that makes edge more than 4.5 times SLOWER than 3G ( these are of course maximum theoretical bandwidth speeds in optimum circumstances obviously).
You will NEVER find a phone that can make the edge antennae miraculously make edge jump from 384 kbps to 1800 kbps, as at this point , thats the bottleneck ( the phone antennae as well as the tower )
Its literally like trying to take a 56k dialup modem and stream high quality video which would require a broadband connection........ it just cant handle the data packets in a timely manner.
If you need further assistance in understanding the simple concept of speed and connection type, i strongly urge you to use Google.
Hope this helped you in understanding
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**agree**
Ok, first of all its not the device that is causing the issue. Edge is a type of data connection that caps out max speed at about 384 kilobytes a second. Skype needs a faster connection speed than that in order to stream the voice data packets. 3G/ HSDPA is approx 1800 kbps. If you do the math, that makes edge more than 4.5 times SLOWER than 3G ( these are of course maximum theoretical bandwidth speeds in optimum circumstances obviously).
You will NEVER find a phone that can make the edge antennae miraculously make edge jump from 384 kbps to 1800 kbps, as at this point , thats the bottleneck ( the phone antennae as well as the tower )
Its literally like trying to take a 56k dialup modem and stream high quality video which would require a broadband connection........ it just cant handle the data packets in a timely manner.
If you need further assistance in understanding the simple concept of speed and connection type, i strongly urge you to use Google.
Hope this helped you in understanding
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dealing with my old hermes 200 I connect to skype and I can even use the call option with PC users only problem is that they hear me but I could hear them
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dealing with my old 200 I got a hermes connect to skype and I can even use the call option with PC users only problem is that they got but I could hear not
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That again is due to the network not being able to sustain the data speeds necessary for VOIP. Just because it connected doesnt mean you had it working. I use skype all the time. If I am on 3G and drop to an edge signal, the call quality drops to inaudible breakups.
I answered your question in detail..... I dont see why you are trying to argue a point which makes no sense . If all you are trying to use skype for is typing chat, id look at some other messenger alternatives for skype that would work with edge ( try out fring )
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Always got something funny to say ChumleyEX, we really do need a basement for all these post's of the noobus a complete sub forum devoted to the worst of the worst and infact just to keep us all busy, we could have a noob of the week
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I like the way you think.