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hey, i know theres a way to put it on the kaiser already. any way on putting it on the x1?
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=396782
Would be cool.
I want to install OS X too!
That would be pretty cool to see if it could be done
Im also interested in android for the x1, but just not yet. Dont really think its mature enough yet ( the OS )
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at the current point of time i dont see a reason to use android either...
software for that plattform is still very very limited compared to WinMo
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yeah, I want to install OS2 warp!
seriously... it's a brand new device, don't start to bother with impossible requests
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at the current point of time i dont see a reason to use android either...
software for that plattform is still very very limited compared to WinMo
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Learn some Java, write your own games and programs, and change the OS however you like. Maybe that's a reason?
I must say after playing with a G1 for a couple weeks now, getting gmail/contacts/calendar sync straight out of the box is really quite nice, and the interface is a real breath of fresh air for high-end devices.
However Android is still missing some key features (that I personally need) -- and not just whimsical "Hello world!" apps -- so like most other people I'll be waiting a few more software revisions/releases before I jump ship. But I am looking forward to it!
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Learn some Java, write your own games and programs, and change the OS however you like. Maybe that's a reason?
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yeah, like i have unlimited free time My phone has to work and offer good features/software..i am sure android will be great, its just not there yet.
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yeah, I want to install OS2 warp!
seriously... it's a brand new device, don't start to bother with impossible requests
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i dont see why its an impossible request... its been done to two htc phones already just waiting on a port to the x1..
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i dont see why its an impossible request... its been done to two htc phones already just waiting on a port to the x1..
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Well I think it's technically impossible until some developers get their hands on a X1 (or two), and right now I don't think any of them have any. No doubt a call for donations will be due for such a tall order.
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How do you install Iphone OS on the xperia. It will be so cool. The xperia is way too slow and rough compared to the iphone 3g. Its like comparing a bus with a Ferrari. The Ferrari being the iphone.
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How do you install Iphone OS on the xperia. It will be so cool. The xperia is way too slow and rough compared to the iphone 3g. Its like comparing a bus with a Ferrari. The Ferrari being the iphone.
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Hope for your sake you're just kidding
Also, you can carry a lot of useful things on a bus. With a Ferrari, it's just you and maybe one passenger.
You can already install a gimped version of Android on most WM phones..in fact it was possible several months ago. Someone pieced together a beta build using the Android-SDK. You install it in windows mobile and then choose to run it over WM. It isn't worth it though...not until someone takes the source and codes something specific to the X1 and even then it probably won't be great since the X1 can't do Multi-Touch like the OS is supposedly intended for either.
Just like others have said, the OS is still in rough shape. It would need quite a bit of work to get it going properly on an X1 and even then you would be limited.. However given a recent "leak" of info from MS it seem we should be expecting a WM6.5 upgrade in the comming months before WM7's launch that will give a better experience to users with touch screen phones. This likely means a better looking layout that is easier to navigate by finger.
I'm waiting for my X1. Then I'm gonna try to get Android 2 work.
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It isn't worth it though...not until someone takes the source and codes something specific to the X1 and even then it probably won't be great since the X1 can't do Multi-Touch like the OS is supposedly intended for either.
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Wouldn't "multi-touch" be an OS feature and not a hardware one?
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I'm waiting for my X1. Then I'm gonna try to get Android 2 work.
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Whoo!! i bow down to you hope ur x1 comes soon.. i bought mine to mess around with...
well this is a cool thing, but just for playing around, you cant work on a day to day base with that yet i bet.
Are there even drivers for the SD Card, Bluetooth, GPS, Camera and all that stuff done yet for other HTC phones running Android? Without all of that working its quite useless, on the other hand its important that some people get into it but as a enduser i wouldnt put any hopes in that.
well from what i understand the way you put android on htc devices it runs ontop of winmo so you can play around with it and when ur bored or whatever you can just switch back to windows mobile instead of android.. isnt a bad thing to try out imho..
right now im semi bored and trying out the polaris/kaiser/vouge files... the polaris one doesnt work.. gonna try others..
Both actually. The OS has to have support for it, but the screen needs to be able to register more than 1 simultaneous touch. You could technically use a few different types of screens for Multi-Touch, but most used today (Resistive) aren't that great and won't work as well when processing multiple inputs. The iphone, G1 use Capacitive touch screen thats offer a high level clarity and make recognition for a multi-touch enviroment a lot better.
The basic differenence recognition. Resistive, such as that used in most HTC devices (including the X1) has 2 layers with a gap inbetween and works off pressure. When you press on the screen, the "gap" shortends and the screen below pinpoints the pressed area from that, which isn't that great if you touch multiple locations the ability for the lower screen to recognize the location of the press will diminish because not only does the gap shorten there, but it also shorten in the distance between the to points. Other ways are to use tons of little cameras around screen, like the MS Surface, but that isn't that great either, specifically on a smaller screen size.
I think this is a big shame for such a big community to not have xperia panel working on HD. Almost a year passed and still there is no successful rom.
Nowadays we should use something like "[ROM] [July20] [Celestial SExperia Ultimate v3.2] [All panels working perfectly and smooth, very verf fast and stable!!!]. But we don't.
I think most people will glad to see something entirely new on their phone instead updating same thing. Likewise, it could be fun for the developers.
And i am ready to support.. Since i am not a coder, i can only donate.
Anyway.. What do you say guys??
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I think this is a big shame for such a big community to not have xperia panel working on HD. Almost a year passed and still there is no successful rom.
Nowadays we should use something like "[ROM] [July20] [Celestial SExperia Ultimate v3.2] [All panels working perfectly and smooth, very verf fast and stable!!!]. But we don't.
I think most people will glad to see something entirely new on their phone instead updating same thing. Likewise, it could be fun for the developers.
And i am ready to support.. Since i am not a coder, i can only donate.
Anyway.. What do you say guys??
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I agree with you celestial123!!
Come on guys you are all great developers.
some developers are already working on it but it wouldn't be easy.
As the X1 panel has many things hardcode into the programme. unlike HTC, they are from the same manufacturer and the compatibility is better (HTC wants to reuse code on most of its phone).
p.s. I know X1 is made by HTC.. but the software isn't.
my friend has a x1, he told me the panels ist good as toucflo, he uses a rom with tflo.. but i d like to test the panels....
it comes down to personal preferences. Manila is just fine for me, looking forward to a proper working M2.5.
itje started a project on that a while back, I have not seen any progress in quite a while now.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=465547
I think the Chefs are doing their job perfectly, testing out manila 2.5 for us, and giving us a taste of it. I think they should stay on the road they are travelling, I would prefer manila 2.5 over panels.
I really agree with OnlinePredator
I think X-panel can give us a new face to our HTC device
But for me, nothing more complete as a whole package than TF3D, if we look after the functionality.
I prefer TF3D over panel, even Titanium, cause it's all there!
But I'd like to test panel too
To be honest I think Panels on the HD is a waste of time, TF3D is better and is improving all the time. There are some cool little things with the panels like the fish and stuff, but it's all for show.
Panels working really nicely would be a nice little bonus to have a bit of a play with but I think most ROM developers are focused on providing a better and more usable experience for users than HTC provides, panels wouldn't aid this to be honest.
Looking forward we all gonna buy new devices in few months, chiefs included.
Panels or Android on Hd don't have sense. It's already hard to make Manila run the smoothest way...
I would be sooo happy to run these features ! (as I always wanted to ).
But it seems to be almost impossible.
And even if someone reaches it, most of us will be under Android.
So why loosing time on something we won't need ?
If you want my two cents, each chef has the right to do want they want to do. If it appears that the no chef is working on getting the panels onto the HD, it is most likely because of a number of reasons, mainly because they either haven't time or do not want the panels.
I too agree with OnlinePredator. I think the Chefs are doing a great job and I'm looking forward to a stable, smooth manila 2.5 with few bugs.
IMHO I prefer manila 2.5 over the panels and I believe a lot of chef's also have same feelings.
I've been working on getting the panels working for a while.
I used to have an X1, and can fairly convincingly say that the panels are a waste of time for most parts, so I've been playing with them, basically because I can, its been more of an academic exercise than anything..
Now you can quite happily get one or two of the basic panels working, there are even cabs out there that do it, but some of the others (the almost useful ones) such as the last media browser dont work, there are hardcoded calls to some X1 bits, bits that dont seem to work on the HD.
I've resorted to hexediting the dlls to get it working, but when I manage to get one bit sorted another one pops up and causes problems..
I was getting far too frustrated with it, and as others have said manila 2.5 is so much more interesting, that i havent done anything for a while on the panels.
I think one of the reasons we have so many good chefs here, is that HTC has provided us a very poor stock ROM and no aftersales support. We need cooked ROMs which are closed to what we are expecting for.
Panel is just an option.
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I've been working on getting the panels working for a while.
I used to have an X1, and can fairly convincingly say that the panels are a waste of time for most parts, so I've been playing with them, basically because I can, its been more of an academic exercise than anything..
Now you can quite happily get one or two of the basic panels working, there are even cabs out there that do it, but some of the others (the almost useful ones) such as the last media browser dont work, there are hardcoded calls to some X1 bits, bits that dont seem to work on the HD.
I've resorted to hexediting the dlls to get it working, but when I manage to get one bit sorted another one pops up and causes problems..
I was getting far too frustrated with it, and as others have said manila 2.5 is so much more interesting, that i havent done anything for a while on the panels.
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Thanks for update on this bro
Which mobile system will you choose next time?
We'll see which system is the most future-oriented
hummm im the 1st to vote and post
android for me.....from now on!
mmmmm...
Perhpas later Android once it gets a more mature and solid OS, but for now and mybe 2 or 3 years I´ll stick with WM, waiting that wm7 really can be something with quality
my android is on the UPS Shipment as we speak so Android for now
I'm keeping WM
Android has a lot of possibility and it's an interesting SO: in future I'll see it but to now I stay with WM.
D'rath
WM (WM7 as next) althought Im all about entertainment and Iphone (MacOSX) would be much more suited for it - I dont like apple that much to spend money for it (only if someone would give me a iphone a s a present!! ) or get MacOSX on HTC Touch HD
i'll stick to winmo for sure..
winmo for now, but i'll stick to android after i got qwerty slider keyboard
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winmo for now, but i'll stick to android after i got qwerty slider keyboard
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erm, doesent it already got one?
Same as always, Windows Mobile for my business phone
iPhone for my play phone.
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erm, doesent it already got one?
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i got this nike as a gift, and i couldnt choose the one i liked LOL
i'd like to have left/right sliding keyboard like touch pro, uni, etc
wld take sometime to upgrade for me ( faster if my elf goes crack), i'd probably go for Android unless WM7 does wonders!
I haven't been able to put my iPhone down since I got it, sticking with it.
Probably Android with either Moblin or WM as future candidates.
For me WM when it comes out the HTC Leo will be my next phone
Wifes has a iphone 3G already (which is jailbroken and unlocked for different carrier) and at first its a novelty then after a while the novelty wears off and its me who is stuck with the crappy itunes software for putting her music on it, itunes is the main reason i would never have an iphone myself I hate it.
Android as of now. We'll see what WM7 is like when it appears.
You really should have added an option 'I don't know!' as im in that one. No networks in the UK really support the TD2 and TP2 so hmm, still looking towards the hero but i don;t know if ill miss the tweaking and playing around on wimo is the only thing.
atm no vote from me as ive been like this for the last month!
Windows Mobile for me
WM
I'm a fan of WM from HTC (the best for the PPC). Waiting for the phone with foldable screen ... the rest we passed.
Some leaked WinMo 7 pics for your viewing pleasure and let me tell you, those bottom power meters look absolutely BADASS. Just imagine them on the X1...
http://www.engadget.com/2009/10/20/possible-new-windows-mobile-7-mockups-give-6-5-a-well-deserved-s/
Hmmm...
I was sort of hoping that WM7 would be a totally new Zune-like OS. Ya know...scrap all legacy WM and start fresh with WM7. Guess I was being unrealistic
But I'm going to keep hoping...
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Hmmm...
I was sort of hoping that WM7 would be a totally new Zune-like OS. Ya know...scrap all legacy WM and start fresh with WM7. Guess I was being unrealistic
But I'm going to keep hoping...
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Well, leaked 6.5.1 already looks so much better than 6.5.
It's so much time yet.
I hope for good.
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Some leaked WinMo 7 pics for your viewing pleasure and let me tell you, those bottom power meters look absolutely BADASS. Just imagine them on the X1...
http://www.engadget.com/2009/10/20/possible-new-windows-mobile-7-mockups-give-6-5-a-well-deserved-s/
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these are early mockups, one of the outlook pics has a different top and bottom bar to the rest, which means it was done at a different time or by a different person.
i reckon this is the early design but its far improved from that now.
ps. that is if these are real
Call me odd or something, but I prefer the more spartan WinMo 6.5/6.1/5.0/whatever interface. :S
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Call me odd or something, but I prefer the more spartan WinMo 6.5/6.1/5.0/whatever interface. :S
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Same here. Those power meters at the bottom look absolutely amazing though. Very futuristic .
I think someone should remind Microsoft that most of their consumers are actually corporations... Businessmen that want to see more, aren't ill disposed to whip out a stylus if needed, and don't really want a eyecandy filled device, just one that is fast, stable and responsive.
IMHO the whatsitcalled app that created a gradient bar above the start button looks more functional to me. :S More accurate than moduled bars.
I agree: eye candy is not the most important factor....
But I have a little bit enough of some primitive UI elements of 6.1.
New menus in 6.5 look so much better.....
I also love minimalistic designs!
eyecandy aint the most important, but its a huge factor in sales...you really think if windows mobile ui was competitive to the iphone or lg's s class ui that lg or iphone would get soo much sales, knowing many wm users switched to the iphone?
regardless how you look at it, people prefer candy with functionality than just functionality, no one wants an ugly OS if there is an alternative offering better... this is why M$ is focusing on their UI, thanks to apple and others M$ finally came to their senses...after using vista and win7, wm 6.1 should never look the way it does...why the hell should icons on a 2008-2009 device like the xperia should have icons with rough edges? eye candy plays an important role, without it, you would get boring, take a look at the x1 rom section, why do you think almost everyone is flashing custom roms?
i own the lg viewty, and believe me when i say this, the gui blows the iphone to smithereens...
I own(ed) the LG Arena, and believe me, the GUI of WinMo 6.1 kicks the ass of that retarded S-Class UI
Just a mini review of my HD7 after 4 days use. Coming from an HD2 (with 6.5.5 & Android) and having had mobiles since the classic was the only phone on Cellnet you could get I've used most!
However the HD7 being a first version has it's issues. A couple I have noticed are just stupid - others annoying.
I won't go over how it looks or the tiles or anything like that; this is just my experience of the device as a "phone".
Call quality seems ok - but the moment you get a border line signal you're stuffed. Incoming call audio is fine they just cannot hear you at all. Nothing Nada! You need to get a bar on the signal meter or you've no hope of being heard. My 5800 & HD2 both hang on to a cell signal much longer than the HD7 does.
Phone book is nice however it has a trend to dial the last person called rather than the entry you want - especially if you've gone from call history to the phone book - I don't know how many times I phoned my mum recently (but I am sorry for being a phone pest!!). Again this seems to be a version 1 issues.
But my biggest two grips are that how do you save an email attachment? We've all got things on our phones we want to transfer - Nokia do a lovely app to BT all your old goodies to your new phone - please other phone people take note!
So emailed myself the file(s) I needed - they appear in the email - but no way to save them - I can open the media - just not save it! Great. No "right" finger or "hold" finger menu in email application.
OK then - lets BT the files over ... turn BT on - let's pair with the HD2 and get some files from it. Nope cannot pair with the HD2 in Android or WM6 - says "paired" but unable to connect. Fine. Let's try another way with BT push - nope - paired cannot connect... Bleeeeewwwhhh.
So there does not seem to be anyway to get something from someone on the move sent to your phone. Cannot save attachments and cannot pair with other phones to BT files. Maybe a v1 issue again?
Not too sure on the HD7 at the moment - the wow is nice and yes the interface seems to be working as expected. However loose a data connection and you cannot open the people hub until you restart the device for some odd reason after loading Facebook contacts, and worst still "Lists" no longer works and gives a message about a DLL missing. Great, cannot find a way to un-install it or re-install it. The only menu option is "share" which does not help much really.
I am going to see if there is anything on line about the issues it seems to have. But so far - yes good phone - but WP7 needs some work. Maybe a quick update is needed here Microsoft? HTC seem to have done well getting the units out - not sure if anyone else is seeing similar?
Oh and I would really like a some menus to give some more control over the phone! You criticise WM6.5 for not being very finger friendly - but at least you have some options to change! Where are they hidden in 7 LOL!
So far hardware 10/10 but OS? 2 maybe 3 /10.
Oh and HTC you're being bloody cheap not sending out your top of the range phone with out a sleeve to keep it in, the HD2 has a lovely sleeve and that has saved it many a time - the HD7 I had to spend another £15.00 ($20) on a bumper to keep it safe as no one has the sleeves yet!
So far my HD2 is with me the HD7 is at home - not sure yet if I can rely on it 24/7 as my primary phone.
I would not go as far as to say it is poor - WP7 that is - but I am for one not impressed considering that people must have tried at least once to BT each other something?
You are missing the point of this phone. While I agree on some of your good points (but few) this is supposed to be the Zune phone , the equivalent of the iPhone, basically an eye-candy multimedia-device which should also do basic comunication in a fast and easy way. I also came a long way over the years playing with Symbian & WM 5-6.5 and I loved all the tweeking and extra customization you had BUT to be honest I got bored with it.
As years passed I saw mobile phones becoming the substituent of the PC but also a substiuent of its problems.Just look at the past 2-3 years. Now we have discussions about freckin RAM and GHz when the whole point of the phone was JUST to run smooth and work fine ,not to mention the fact that battery development has been left with the same batteries from 2006 or so.
Basically it just got stucked.I was freckin tired of walking in a mobile shop and seing a bunch of touchscreen with a zillion icons as wallpaper.
Where was the excitement of actually buying a phone for having something new?
That was the main reason since I never bought a touchscreen phone and I have sticked with my (g)old E71 for the time being.
Android is IMO a laggy joke. Yes , it's still lagy and that is why I didn't buy a high-end smartphone untill now , the HD7.
I don't want to pay 400 euros for a laggy interface.
It's been 3 years already since the iPhone and it has still been the fastest OS with no lag until WP7.
Why my view may be a little off-topic I think this was the main idea of the WP7.Getting ridd of those "Really?!" moments.
I want a phone in 2010 which runs fast,smoooth and adds the basic customization(it's where WP7 currently lacks but it's not terrible).
For I-can't-find-my-sfnag.dll-complaiment people should buy/use their laptops
I hope WP7 rises as remembers this "high-end competition" what the purpose of a (multimedia) phone really is
I think yly3 has a point - one of the main features of WM7 (for better or worse) was the increased reliance on cloud storage. Maybe this was why most of the phones we're seeing are only 8Gb.
I think anyone coming from WM6.5 expecting WP7 to be an incremental upgrade, including existing functionality is likely to be disappointed.
What I foresee is mainly 3rd party apps making use of an opened up Bluetooth stack to gain access to your skydrive as if it were local storage. Similarly, having the option to save email attachments to your skydrive would be neat (I believe .docs can be saved)
For me, this is either genius, or a disaster - if you're away from a signal, your files are inaccessible, which is frustrating. That said, I'm rarely away from a signal these days, so maybe it's a non-issue.
Time will tell.
I have been using my HD7 for 2 weeks now, I love it and hate it at the same time. I love it for its smooth, flawless and simple user interface, but hate cause its just too simple... I know and expected that this was a locked up phone before I bought it but.. even some basic functions that I was used to doing on my HD2 was missing. Functions like sending files thru BT from my phone to any BT device. Even some basic configuration like adjusting the volume of the ringer is not clear on configuration page. its just a toggle on/off and not to mention that i can't use custom ringtones? I loved using custom mp3 for ringtones.. cause in a crowded place.. I would now that my phone was the one ringing. And just like steve said...the phone didn't come with a nice leather pouch to keep it safe, for a pricy phone like this. I just wish they would improve wp7 much sooner so I could enjoy using this phone more and get my money's worth.
The first update is due early 2011, so don't get your hopes up for ANY updates untill then. Rumours are that Copy/paste, BT, & Camera are all big factors in the first update.
I can't really complain after a solid 3 weeks of owning the phone. Yes there are a few niggles, but it's MUCH better than Iphones OS v1 was. So looking good imo.
Also all the comments i've seen on this thread appear to be on WP7, not the HD7 itself. Slightly confusing by the Thread title.
well thats good news i don't mind the wait.. but i hope they do fix it with the update... but those are for WP7. the comment i have for the device itself (with HTC HD7) is that it didnt came with a pouch like my HD2, as all new phones ...it will take time here before i could buy a protective sleeve or rubber whatever. i just hope i don't drop or scratch it with my coins and keys in my pocket. also the camera button is hard to press... wish there was configuration where i could use the touch sensitive keys to take a picture. and speaking of wich.. the search key (bing key) really bugs me. i kept miss touching it for no reason.. and bing keeps getting in my way even when i'm playing games
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the comment i have for the device itself (with HTC HD7) is that it didnt came with a pouch like my HD2, as all new phones ...
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the search key (bing key) really bugs me. i kept miss touching it for no reason.. and bing keeps getting in my way even when i'm playing games
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My first purchase was Need for Speed, and the number of times I've been about to complete a circut, only to nudge the 'serach' button, which kicks me out of the race and I need to start again, is a real pain in the 'a**'.
It would be great if this button could be disabled while gaming, it's just too sensative and close to where you need to hold the phone....
Don't get me wrong @poopilot I do like the phone but the omission of a simple sleeve for the phone smacks of cheapness. And anything with a screen this large needs some protection in a pocket or on the desk, all to easy to scratch.
And yes the thread title @Audio could be more specific - but these are my view of WP7 on an HD7 - so it is pretty on topic for HD7 General. The comments would be the same for WP7 for all devices as they are all the same. I am just saying that it is a shame for something so late in the game that all the i & t's were not dotted and crossed before we got our hands on it.
And to @yly3 - your analagy is flawed. If Windows 7 is the succesor to Vista in the way WM7 is to 6.5 - how would you feel if Windows 7 had no control panel, you could not save locally and the only network you could use was Microsofts? I am pretty darn sure you'ld feel agrived. But say if I don't want to share pictures on skydrive - I want to BT or MMS or Twitter or Facebook I want to choose - I don't want to be limited to a single option.
If you play with a Desire you get loads of options for most things - hell I cannot even change the MMS picture size! LOL! Bring on regedit that's all I can say! I must be crazy but you cannot see MS's usability labs having an iphone 1 and thinking "this is all people need, they wont cut and paste or want to do anything other than gaze at the UI"! If you are going to call a phone a smartphone it does in fact need to be smart. Not average.
I see what you mean but again this was named Windows Phone 7 , not Windows Mobile 7 and Microsoft stated many times it's something new , build completely from zero.
The main problem of WP7 would be, as you pointed, the lack of choice. Honestly, I don't know how many really use copy-paste. I don't know if I barely used it 4-5 times the last couple of years but that's just me not the whole world. And I am very surprised people still use MMS.
This is also a strategy to have your product upgraded and keep interest in it just like Apple has done it in the last years.
Maybe I am over-excited for finally having something new and fresh offered and according to the constant praise and support of Steve Ballmer this platform will get more updates than we have seen on any other mobile OS so far (it is Microsoft after all) thus having the first update 2 months after the release date.
So, basically I won't go further and maybe I don't have a strong argument against what you said but what I tend to see in nowadays reviews is that most of the people don't seem to get the whole picture and analyze a new phone only by checking their personal list of must-have features (again , agreeing that most of them really are a must).
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Don't get me wrong @poopilot I do like the phone but the omission of a simple sleeve for the phone smacks of cheapness. And anything with a screen this large needs some protection in a pocket or on the desk, all to easy to scratch.
And yes the thread title @Audio could be more specific - but these are my view of WP7 on an HD7 - so it is pretty on topic for HD7 General. The comments would be the same for WP7 for all devices as they are all the same. I am just saying that it is a shame for something so late in the game that all the i & t's were not dotted and crossed before we got our hands on it.
And to @yly3 - your analagy is flawed. If Windows 7 is the succesor to Vista in the way WM7 is to 6.5 - how would you feel if Windows 7 had no control panel, you could not save locally and the only network you could use was Microsofts? I am pretty darn sure you'ld feel agrived. But say if I don't want to share pictures on skydrive - I want to BT or MMS or Twitter or Facebook I want to choose - I don't want to be limited to a single option.
If you play with a Desire you get loads of options for most things - hell I cannot even change the MMS picture size! LOL! Bring on regedit that's all I can say! I must be crazy but you cannot see MS's usability labs having an iphone 1 and thinking "this is all people need, they wont cut and paste or want to do anything other than gaze at the UI"! If you are going to call a phone a smartphone it does in fact need to be smart. Not average.
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There are definitely things that are missing, no question, but I think they've got it right for a first release. If they waited to get everything done then we'd never see the OS. It's completely different to Android, and indeed WM6.5 I'm pretty sure I'm right in saying that WM6.5 will be continued alongside WP7. I like the fact that it's all simple to use (and I'm a tech head). Sure it can occasionally be irritating where I want to get into the bluetooth settings for example to configure it more closely, but ultimately I can completely understand why they've done it. All you have to do is go in and turn it on, then choose a device to pair with. It involves very few steps which was exactly the spec for this OS.
I'm sure that in time there will be options to configure things more closely, but they will be hidden away so that you have to consciously choose to go into the advanced settings. Android was real fun for a while, something different, but I actually think that it's far too techy. After a while I got bored of everything being a bit clunky and hidden behind too many menus etc... To use everyday, it's just not that usable, not when you compare it to something like WP7.
I'm really looking forward to writing some apps for WP7 as I think it provides a different challenge - to make your app consistent with the UI and make it as user-friendly as possible. I think the possibilities are massive with WP7, and as long as MS really commits to it, rolls out regular updates to keep on improving the UI - crucially without breaking what it already does - then it could be a huge hit.
Steve_Walker totally agreed with you. WM6.5 has something different but with looking at WP7 ???
I am asking myself why should i get a wp7 phone instead of iphone? And the only reason i can find is 4.3" display .
Microsoft really needs to think clearly and understand they must make something different not a ios kind os.
MS will going to loose much
kromosto said:
Steve_Walker totally agreed with you. WM6.5 has something different but with looking at WP7 ???
I am asking myself why should i get a wp7 phone instead of iphone? And the only reason i can find is 4.3" display .
Microsoft really needs to think clearly and understand they must make something different not a ios kind os.
MS will going to loose much
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1) The media player is alot better.
2) Zune Pass.
3) WP7 is alot faster than any iPhone. My entire family has 3GSs and iPhone 4s and they will even admit my phone is alot faster to do anything. I havent even turned my lag fixed Vibrant on this I got this HD7 also.
4) App intergeneration. WP7 really does take this to a different level.
You'd be a fool to say WP7 doesnt have its flaws and bugs, but you'd also be a fool to ignore everything GREAT it does. Android does alot of things well but is anything great? iOS does some great things, but honestly I prefer WP7 over iOS.
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1) The media player is alot better.
2) Zune Pass.
3) WP7 is alot faster than any iPhone. My entire family has 3GSs and iPhone 4s and they will even admit my phone is alot faster to do anything. I havent even turned my lag fixed Vibrant on this I got this HD7 also.
4) App intergeneration. WP7 really does take this to a different level.
You'd be a fool to say WP7 doesnt have its flaws and bugs, but you'd also be a fool to ignore everything GREAT it does. Android does alot of things well but is anything great? iOS does some great things, but honestly I prefer WP7 over iOS.
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1) OK
2) I dont care about zune pass
3) That is about hardware not wp7
4) So what? How many wp7 apps out there?
Sorry but as we see you have strong feelings on wp7 and want to defend it too much but even you cant write more then 4 not meaning too much advantages. Because even MS designed it to be a is imitation.
I had hope on wp7 was thinking to sell my hd2 and buy a hd7 because ios and iphone is not a phone for me (dont like them), Android is just what you said does alot of thing but not anything great. But WP7 is worse then both at least for now. Because MS just looked ios and android and copy them with removing all the good features on wm6.5 all the good features i prefer a wm6.5 phone over iphone that is nonsense. most of the users may not care about this but i care.
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3) That is about hardware not wp7
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iPhone 4 has better hardware! A4 is better than Snapdragon, and iPhone 4 has dedicated GPU - PowerVGR 535! which is faster than Adreno!
iPhone 3Gs also has dedicated PowerVGR GPU, but don't which model exactly!
So, it's not hadware! it's the OS
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iPhone 4 has better hardware! A4 is better than Snapdragon, and iPhone 4 has dedicated GPU - PowerVGR 535! which is faster than Adreno!
iPhone 3Gs also has dedicated PowerVGR GPU, but don't which model exactly!
So, it's not hadware! it's the OS
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i am not comparing iphone vs hd7 hardware. i am saying that with suitable hardware every os can be fast.
kromosto said:
1) OK
2) I dont care about zune pass
3) That is about hardware not wp7
4) So what? How many wp7 apps out there?
Sorry but as we see you have strong feelings on wp7 and want to defend it too much but even you cant write more then 4 not meaning too much advantages. Because even MS designed it to be a is imitation.
I had hope on wp7 was thinking to sell my hd2 and buy a hd7 because ios and iphone is not a phone for me (dont like them), Android is just what you said does alot of thing but not anything great. But WP7 is worse then both at least for now. Because MS just looked ios and android and copy them with removing all the good features on wm6.5 all the good features i prefer a wm6.5 phone over iphone that is nonsense. most of the users may not care about this but i care.
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You might not care about Zune Pass but for anyone who wanted an mp3 player / phone this is the biggest selling factor. In fact I'd say zune integration is the best thing WP7 has going for it right now.
I am not really defending it that much also. Look my profile and see the last thread I made. I clearly pointed several huge glaring flaws in WP7. In that same thread I said more than 4 good things about it also. Before calling someone out, look at their previous posts; especially when trying to call out their position on things .
Here is a link:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=835095
WP7 is missing features 6.5 had but that was a matured and dying (dead now) OS, this is a completely new start. I am not over critical of it becasue i knew going in it was a first iteration OS. And for a first iteration OS it is far better than what iOS and android were. It actually does some things far better than them right now too. It has flaws, but ignoring strength and focusing only on flaws is wrong in my opinion.
I am also confused about your position on the speed of WP7. First you say its the hardware, which android and the iphone 4 have better hardware, and then you say its the OS and that backs up the statement i originally made. The OS is optimized to be faster than both iOS and android. That is a HUGE plus for WP7. It's doing more with less, don't over look that.
Again let me repeat my statement, it does have limitations but everything it does, it does the best. More features will be added with updates.
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i am not comparing iphone vs hd7 hardware. i am saying that with suitable hardware every os can be fast.
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About speed i am saying that every os can be very fast with suitable hardware. Think like this a wp7 phone with nokia n61 hardware can it be fast ofcourse no. is this wp7s fault ofcourse not so as you cant blame an os for not suitable hardware also you cant say os is good because it runs good on suitable hardware.
also i agree with you about wp7 being a new os and 6.5 is dying but why not use 6.5s good features on a new starting os from the beginning. They are the things which you did better then ios and android so ms should glorify them with using them in the new os.
this is my idea ofcourse i dont except everyone or even anyone to agree with me. wm6.5 with htc sense and cht nearly got all i need. some more social network integration with a really working pptp vpn is all i need with my current setup.
kromosto said:
About speed i am saying that every os can be very fast with suitable hardware. Think like this a wp7 phone with nokia n61 hardware can it be fast ofcourse no. is this wp7s fault ofcourse not so as you cant blame an os for not suitable hardware also you cant say os is good because it runs good on suitable hardware.
also i agree with you about wp7 being a new os and 6.5 is dying but why not use 6.5s good features on a new starting os from the beginning. They are the things which you did better then ios and android so ms should glorify them with using them in the new os.
this is my idea ofcourse i dont except everyone or even anyone to agree with me. wm6.5 with htc sense and cht nearly got all i need. some more social network integration with a really working pptp vpn is all i need with my current setup.
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Because 6.5 and 7 are built on completely different platforms. You can not just pull features from 6.5 and put them in 7 because the programming language is different.
6.5 was good for its time, but do you know the main reason why I hear why people do not want to buy WP7 phones? All the headaches they got from 6.5 devices...
WM left a bad taste in ALOT of peoples mouths and that is still showing in WP7. Yes 6.5 might of been good for some but for most it was complete and utter crap.
Will alot of these features eventually be built into WP7 if enough people want them? I think so, but they will be built and coded to meet WP7's standards.