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TomTom 2.24 vs. 3

I ordered the TomTom + Wireless GPS about a week ago from MobilePlanet and they sent me vesion 2.24 of the Navigator. I quickly discovered that a newer version 3 exists.. I tried to contact TomTom about an upgrade but they say my product code for Navigator USA is not eligible for the upgrade to 3... can anyone shed light on what's going on here?? thanks!

Yeah, you've been ripped off. Get a refund and buy version 3.
I have v3 but never used the v2 so not sure of the differences.

being ripped off depends on the price you paid.
personally I would not give much for a version 2 today . . .
I have no experience with TomTom before 3, but everyone who has claim there are major improvements (stability and map quality).

jameskk said:
can anyone shed light on what's going on here?? thanks!
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There are some relatively small differences. I would not be able to explain why they have called it version 3 instead of 2.5.
I guess it has something to do with the map format which is not compatible between 2.4 and 3.0.
All the overlay files (freeware add on to TomTom) seem not to be version specific.
My advice is: Get refund and buy version 3 to allow you to get next update at cheaper price, else stay with version 2.4 has it is great.
Tanguy

UPDATE - I just called MobilePlanet to send this back and get version 3 and the customer service rep told me that TomTom has not released version 3 to USA distributors as of yet and that was why I got version 2. They informed me that serveral customers have called regarding this and they were aware of it. Any thoughts? Has anyone purchased version 3 from a US distributor?

Mobile Planet responded correctly. Version 3 is not available in the US as yet. Rumors that I've heard/read are conflicting: TomTom may release v3 in the US or they will wait and do a v4 release everywhere. I'd suggest emailing TomTom & see what their response is.
db

I've looked at the US version of TomTom on their web site.
The printscreen of the US version are of version 2.xx not 3.03
Tanguy

the main problem that I am having is that once in a while the software will show me floating around on the screen in random positions.. it's doesn't appear to be readings from my BT GPS receiver (TomTom model) because I can soft-reset the XDAII and the software shows my correct position again, but I must perform a soft-reset and can't just exit and restart Navigator... anyone else have this happen?

There is NO Version 3 for the US and there isn't going to be. TomTom are moving towards a common navigation engine that is already available in the PalmOS, GO and Smartphone platforms.
The next release will be a PocketPC version of this to replace TomTom 3 in the EU and TomTom 2 in the US.
There is no release timeline for this but expect news before Christmas.

Jameskk, I had that problem when I had bluetooth tools installed, once I deinstalled it everything was ok, do you have the latest gps driver for your version?

Delorme Street Atlas USA

Has anyone used Delorme Street Atlas USA with the Kaiser? It looks like a decent alternative to Tom Tom...

It is currently not compatiable with Kaiser and they are aware of the problem.
When you close the program or tell it to disconnect from GPS it locks up your device.
I can confirm this behavior as I spent the money to buy it. Wasable to convince Best Buy to accept it back. DeLorme offered to refund my purchase price in the event that Best Buy wouldn't allow the return.
Good company that has been doing maps for a long time, I hope they sort the problem out quickly.

I looked at it due to the price and thought that it would be a great buy, but the reviews on Amazon were less than steller. Several reviewers complained the maps were not up to date, but the big thing that sold me away from it was a mention elsewhere that "within the desktop application, you actually select and create a map for a specific circumstance." http://www.pocketpcthoughts.com/articles.php?action=expand,56666&start=2
What if I'm already away from home and need to get directions? That won't for for me, sorry. I guess I'll shell out the big bucks for TomTom or similar.

They offer a 30 day mbg. I got my check yesterday. It's a nice program but doesn't play nice with the tilt. It was also missing a feature i like, directions by gps position. You always had to give it a start and end, with Tomtom or WLS you can just tell the program to start where you currently are.

agoyeneche said:
Has anyone used Delorme Street Atlas USA with the Kaiser? It looks like a decent alternative to Tom Tom...
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It is not, by any means, a decent alternative.
Its user interface is extremely clunky, and it is SLOW. POI Search and routing on-device is essentially useless in SA2006HH and all indications I have seen say that SA2008HH is no better. DeLorme couldn't even get it right with the PN-20.
That said - if you need topographic maps on a PDA, DeLorme is the way to go. I use TomTom for driving, and once SA2008HH gets fixed for the Kaiser I will be upgrading to 2008HH from 2006HH (which worked well with an external BT GPS on my Hermes.) for topo capability.

Here I am playing nice, searching and finding an old topic to resurrect instead of starting a new one...
I have an old (2002) version of Delorme Xmap for pocket PC.
I just loaded it up today on my tilt, I already had prepared maps for the Northwest USA so I added those.
The program started up, I changed the settings to look at port 4 and since I had started my GPS with GPSTest it found the device and located my position very quickly.
Here is the reason I am posting:
I see they have version 2009 out now and it looks pretty good.
However if it causes lockups on the Kaiser then I should not buy it.
Still - for $40 it seems you get a lot.
http://shop.delorme.com/OA_HTML/DELibeCCtdItemDetail.jsp?item=27867&section=10120

I have the 2005 version with both streets and topo maps, it ran just fine on my Hermes (AT&T 8525) with a bluetooth GPS receiver but would never run right on my Kaiser (AT&T TILT). Being an avid outsdoorsman I miss my topo maps but, have found an alturnative, freeware called TGPS, it takes a little more work to setup and install maps but it works great.

I have version 2009 -- it works perfectly fine on the kaiser

burtcom said:
I have version 2009 -- it works perfectly fine on the kaiser
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Thanks Burtcom - just what I needed to hear.
Is it also fast? Or sluggish?

resonably fast -- except when you first zoom out to level 5 or higher. It can take a while to render the map at that level -- then its fast enough for the rest of the session.
It depends on how much info you've saved in the maps, though.
I tree to keep maps exported to the Kaiser about 1 to 2 MB in size, though I do have a 14MB map of much of the Western US, levels 5 to 9 or so, that has decent performance

Need TeleNav

Can someone with a stock Tilt give me the actual URL to get TeleNav to my phone, please. I've flashed Sleuth and that shortcut is not part of the ROM.
Paying for the service, might as well get it.
THANKS

Here's the cab file for it...

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Can someone with a stock Tilt give me the actual URL to get TeleNav to my phone, please. I've flashed Sleuth and that shortcut is not part of the ROM.
Paying for the service, might as well get it.
THANKS
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After reading your post...I made the call....5:45pm ET
It's not free
$9.99 a month for unlimited routes

dwny said:
After reading your post...I made the call....5:45pm ET
It's not free
$9.99 a month for unlimited routes
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Thanks Kyphur for the cab. I'll load it up next.
Understand it's not free (see my post). Had the little external unit for my 8525, and the 9.99 on my bill.
Will now have it internal and continue paying the 9.99.
Thanks again, guys.

You could also drop TeleNav & load up TomTom. North American/Canada map is about $110 which gives you a 1yr payback time. I'd certainly try the taster edition (comes with free local map of your choice) to get a good comparison between the two. In fact, it would sure be nice if somebody reviewed the two and posted their thoughts

I am not sure about TelNav but TomTom is the BOMB! I truly love it and I did buy the NA/Canada map after using the free one.

Telenav vs. TomTom - dumb question
I have Telenav on my AT&T Tilt - paying the $9.99/month. Does the Tilt support TomTom?

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You could also drop TeleNav & load up TomTom. North American/Canada map is about $110 which gives you a 1yr payback time. I'd certainly try the taster edition (comes with free local map of your choice) to get a good comparison between the two. In fact, it would sure be nice if somebody reviewed the two and posted their thoughts
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I have used them both... telenav works great, and its really cool that you can set up your destinations online and the new version does traffic, and it runs very well on the Kaiser.... HOWEVER what i dont like about telenav is that is has to download while you are on the move... I would hate to travel out of a service area and not be able to navigate... This is the reason i will always be loyal to other ones such as tomtom or iguidance, etc... and tomtom works great on the kaiser, i have no complaints with it whatsoever..

TomTom on Tilt
After reading your response above, I went to the TomTom site and from what I could find, they do not support the HTC 8925 - something to do with their relationship with HTC which limits their use on only certain HTC devices.
My specific question for those Tilt owners who are using TomTom is - does it use the built in GPS receiver or is TomTom calculating position by triangulating with cell towers (or something like that)?
Bill

It is using the GPS. Suggest your read this thread.

odie3 said:
It is using the GPS. Suggest your read this thread.
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Thanks. Yes - I had seen that thread but I wasn't sure after reading it that TomTom actually worked on the Tilt without any hacks.
I'm not too satisfied with Telenav and wouldn't mind installing TomTom to test it. Is there a way to do so with out first signing up - like a trial period? I wouldn't mind issuing a thread about the difference between the two (I also have an in-dash unit so I can compare the functionality of PDA GPS to in-dash units as well).
Bill

okay, to inquire further, I called Tom Tom and found that:
1. They do not "specifically" support the AT&T tilt (HTC8925). They do show support for the HTC TyTN II surprisingly. I guess I have to assume that if they support the other HTC, their software will function on the AT&T tilt.
2. unfortunately, they do not have a trial period so there is no way of testing their software directly. I guess the only way to do so is to install the Tom Tom File mentioned earlier.
from the previous post I guess it is possible to have both the Telenav software and the TomTom software on the phone without any problem. I guess I will have to check that.

You can load the teaser version (this is their trial version btw) to test w/o issues (there's a link to it on page 1 of my ROM thread: click "kaiser ROM" on my sig to go there). Their trial software doesn't expire; rather it limits the geographical area that the software will function by virtue of the installed maps. In this vein, it will allow you to download a map of your local area and you can play with it. All features such as traffic updates are fully functional. If you like the software, then merely purchase the full America/Canada map.
To obtain fast fixes, be sure to run QuickGPS on a regular basis (fix data is valid for 7 days). When you're within the valid data timeframe, TomTom will acquire a fix in about 30-45 seconds. This is one of the properties of aGPS by the way: obtaining initial position OTA.

ok... let me answer some of this to give you a clearer picture, if not there will be some n00b bashing that will go on and i would like to prevent that...
TomTom will work fine with no hacks on the tilt.
The tilt, tytn II, kaiser, etc are all the same device.
They dont claim support on the tilt because of AT&T exclusive relationship with telenav.
Now this i could be wrong on but you should be able to install the TOMTOM taster file which is located in this forum and on our FTP server and when it goes to load a map will give you the button for voucher, this should let you download 1 free city map.

HOWEVER what i dont like about telenav is that is has to download while you are on the move... I would hate to travel out of a service area and not be able to navigate...
I have traveled out of coverage and it still worked. it just didn't give turn by turn voice but it still tracked via the gps on the maps and showed were i was going. i guess you would have to loos cell service for a long time for it to take effect. I to also like you can go on the web real quick and enter in an address and just go. thats nice when you have multiple places to go that day and you just type them all in make things easy when you are in sales driving everywhere. I hope soon they will have the teletraffic for the kaiser to get the traffic updates.

i don't have Tom Tom but i'm happy with Telenav. you can get a 1yr subscription for $99. another Telenav advantage is that maps are updated regularly. with Tom Tom you have to wait for next software version.

I have both Telenav and TomTom. I absolutely love the traffic feature on telenav. Very accurate to the minute and detailed. Traffic updates on TomTom always seem outdated

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I hope soon they will have the teletraffic for the kaiser to get the traffic updates.
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Uhm, they do have traffic updates.

GermanGuy said:
I have both Telenav and TomTom. I absolutely love the traffic feature on telenav. Very accurate to the minute and detailed. Traffic updates on TomTom always seem outdated
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you must live within the city or at least very near to it. Traffic updates really don't mean much to people outside of big cities since nobody is keeping track of the traffic situations on urban roads. I once subscribed to XM traffic and found that it was only useful in and around Philadelphia (I live 35 miles southwest of Philadelphia). I am finding the same thing true with Telenav.

shogunmark said:
ok... let me answer some of this to give you a clearer picture, if not there will be some n00b bashing that will go on and i would like to prevent that...
I want to thank you and sleuth255 for your help this past weekend in getting me started with TomTom. I have it loaded and functional and so far I seem to enjoy it more so than TeleNav.
Bill
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TomTom discontinuing Navigator ?

Through conversations with a few folks I've learned that TomTom is apparently contemplating ceasing any further development on any products for PDA's. They are apparently no longer supporting Nav6 nor will they provide any further map/poi updates for Nav6. They had apparently begun development of Nav7/8 but have suspended that project until a go/no decision is made.
This decision is apparently being driven primarily by significant bootlegging of maps (their primary source of income with Nav software).
I have gotten this info second-hand, but believe it is reliable. Has anyone else heard anything along these lines?

Interesting...
I had to call them to help me activate my maps on my fourth replacement tilt. In the course of conversation, I asked about new maps. And the answer was there were new maps but not for navigator 6....they were developing navigator 7 and were in the process of determining "viability." When I asked if that meant they were thinking of discontinuing it, he backpedaled and said they just want to make sure that everything works with such a wide variety of devices to support - palm, symbian, windows mobile.
With what you heard, it sounds like it could be a possibilty. Shame. It's a good program...

I agree, it's an excellent program and I get a lot of good use out of it, I hope they continue to upgrade and improve it. The ONLY thing I don't like about TomTom Navigator 6 is that it doesn't have Text to Speech, it would be nice to hear "turn right on Yuba Street then turn right on California Street" instead of just "Turn right then turn right".

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Interesting...
I had to call them to help me activate my maps on my fourth replacement tilt. In the course of conversation, I asked about new maps. And the answer was there were new maps but not for navigator 6....they were developing navigator 7 and were in the process of determining "viability." When I asked if that meant they were thinking of discontinuing it, he backpedaled and said they just want to make sure that everything works with such a wide variety of devices to support - palm, symbian, windows mobile.
With what you heard, it sounds like it could be a possibilty. Shame. It's a good program...
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They released new maps this past week for the Nav6 as well as all their other products.
Until you see this on their web site it is just someone's rumor.
http://www.tomtom.com/products/maps/?Lid=4
Bill

Do you know if those truly are new maps? After installing TT on my Kais and downloading the free map for my metro area 5 days ago I've found a large number of outdated things including 1 year old streets not in TT and POI's 1 to 4 years out of date. I'd think that they'd want the map they give you for a trial to get you to purchase from them would be the most up to date.

Can anyone tell what the exact version is of the new maps? From what I can read about them is that they are version 6.75 but they done give the build number. I already have version 6.75.1409. Just wanting to know if they really are newer maps.

So use Google Maps.....
It doesn't have text to speech either but it is FREE! and I suspect the real reason TomTom are no longer going to support the PDA version. Very powerful - search for "KFC" and it will find all the nearest with clickable links to websites, phone numbers, driving directions from current position, from an input address from a contact etc. Everything you could want when you need to top up on Kentucky Fried Chipmunks.....or whatever you need to find.
Of course as it is "live" and downloads maps on the fly you better have an unlimited data plan. But it is cool driving along in Satellite View!
HINT - the CAB is not seperately downloadable. You have to download it direct to your PDA - last time I did it was about 1.5Mb. Though once you have the CAB in memory you can back it up to your PC.

These are not new maps - they are the same as what i downloaded several weeks ago.
This has also been confirmed at the following site
http://www.pocketgpsworld.com/modules.php?name=Forums&file=viewtopic&p=400322#400322
"TomTom have today announced the availability of the v.7.20 maps from the Map Shop as well as the v.8.05 maps for the GOx30 users.
All existing map versions that were previously available from the shop have now been replaced with the new v.720 maps for all PND’s except the GOx30 series. GOx30 owners can now buy new map version v.8.05. Anyone contemplating a map purchase is advised that the maps are device dependent and therefore it is important that you select the exact device model you own to ensure you receive the correct map.
The 7.20 and 8.05 maps are based on TeleAtlas 2008.01 data.
The 6.75 maps will remain available in the Map Shop for NAVIGATOR 6 users and Automotive units (Eclipse, Daihatsu, Toyota) Note: Rider and Rider 2 users can now buy the new v.720 maps (premium maps) from the map shop."

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It doesn't have text to speech either but it is FREE! and I suspect the real reason TomTom are no longer going to support the PDA version. Very powerful - search for "KFC" and it will find all the nearest with clickable links to websites, phone numbers, driving directions from current position, from an input address from a contact etc. Everything you could want when you need to top up on Kentucky Fried Chipmunks.....or whatever you need to find.
Of course as it is "live" and downloads maps on the fly you better have an unlimited data plan. But it is cool driving along in Satellite View!
HINT - the CAB is not seperately downloadable. You have to download it direct to your PDA - last time I did it was about 1.5Mb. Though once you have the CAB in memory you can back it up to your PC.
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The one big disadvantage of google maps is that it DOES require that live connection. If you are in a poor reception - or no reception area - it is hard to get those directions. For me, i would rather have it sitting on my device and just be dependent on the satellites....instead of BOTH satellite and cell tower.

I don't think the have stoped developing v7 because the new HTC Daimond comes with v7 intergrated in the rom. This can be found in several artical on XDA.

There is much to like about google maps. As you mentioned, they are constantly updated, fairly accurate, have tons of useful info, allow you to click on POI's for info, to call POI, or link to POI website.
Unfortunately it doesn't have turn-by-turn capabilities (at least that I've ever seen) or allow you to keep maps on your device (besides costly when roaming, I seem to always find areas without cell service). It doesn't determine your direction of travel with an arrow, only shows a dot. These are the biggies. Some of the route planning and other things that TT or Garmin have are also useful but missing from Goog. Google's love of learning anything and everything about people for their own profit is also a bit disconcerting. Them knowing where I've been, where I am, and where I'm going is perhaps too much.
Telenav only works in the US, Garmin is coming out with their own phone to avoid the pirated maps/revenue issue...

Darren Griffin from PocketGPS forum has written the following statement
"In Amsterdam last week I quizzed TomTom on this and whilst their future plans for PocketPC were vague, they did suggest that piracy had been major issue and 'if' any future releases were planned they would most likely only be in partnership with manufacturers. "
www.pocketgpsworld.com
Article is on the home page discussed under "HTC Launch O2 XDA Diamond in Germany with TomTom v7"

Google
Google does not offer voice guidance or turn-by-turn maps. However, Google does offer a traffic overlay which is free (TomTom charges) and does not require updates.
Oddly, it seems to take TomTom about 10 minutes or so to get a GPS lock. Google (with GPS turned on) seems to take less than a minute. I have never understood that

jwbrint said:
Can anyone tell what the exact version is of the new maps? From what I can read about them is that they are version 6.75 but they done give the build number. I already have version 6.75.1409. Just wanting to know if they really are newer maps.
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I called and the 1409 is the latest version of the map.
Tech support indicates that they have no plans to discontinue the Nav6.
Bill

jdmba said:
Oddly, it seems to take TomTom about 10 minutes or so to get a GPS lock. Google (with GPS turned on) seems to take less than a minute. I have never understood that
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Mine (Kaiser w/ TT) almost always gets GPS lock within about 30 seconds of starting the TT app. This is in US including MN, CA, NY, and GA.

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Mine (Kaiser w/ TT) almost always gets GPS lock within about 30 seconds of starting the TT app. This is in US including MN, CA, NY, and GA.
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Yep, same here, TomTom has a lock and is showing my location in at most 60s when I turn it on while driving. If I'm sitting still, it's less than that.
The Tilt does not seem to have much luck getting a signal when shielded from the sky, however.. Even sitting in a restaurant near a window I've found it completely unable to get a signal but it locked on in <15s when outside. I always mount my Tilt on my 'grip' mount on my dashboard so it has a reasonable view of the sky.

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Yep, same here, TomTom has a lock and is showing my location in at most 60s when I turn it on while driving. If I'm sitting still, it's less than that.
The Tilt does not seem to have much luck getting a signal when shielded from the sky, however.. Even sitting in a restaurant near a window I've found it completely unable to get a signal but it locked on in <15s when outside. I always mount my Tilt on my 'grip' mount on my dashboard so it has a reasonable view of the sky.
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Do you have aGPS enabled? That will enable you to get a lock even inside of buildings, or anywhere that has little or no view of the sky.

I hope they do move to navigator 7 at some point as I like the idea of things like map share that are avaliable on the go 720 tomtom models.

Looks like there will be TomTom 7 for Procket PC.
There is a news item on MoDaCo website.
http://www.modaco.com/content/pocket-pc-professional-news/268462/tomtom-7-coming-to-pocket-pc-soon/

i get a quick lock on tomtom, but poor refresh updates from the GPS chip, so its laggy as.
TOMTOM also dont support the kaiser, TYTN II, or the OEM Branded ones, so getting support is a pain (even though my bloody phone came with tomtom on a CD!)
My GPS Reception jumps all over the place too. very unreliable.

Copilot

Just an FYI, but I've just driven down to the Costa Blanca in Spain from the UK, using Copilot as my navigation tool. It worked absolutely brilliantly - routing was flawless and accurate and because the Hero can multitask I was able to listen to audiobooks and make/receive phone calls, without any hiccups from Copilot.
The original plan was to use a Navman unit as the primary, with Copilot acting as backup, but the routing from Copilot gave me a route that was 3 hours shorter than Navman, and it proved to be eerily accurate on its estimate too!
Regards,
Dave

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Just an FYI, but I've just driven down to the Costa Blanca in Spain from the UK, using Copilot as my navigation tool. It worked absolutely brilliantly - routing was flawless and accurate and because the Hero can multitask I was able to listen to audiobooks and make/receive phone calls, without any hiccups from Copilot.
The original plan was to use a Navman unit as the primary, with Copilot acting as backup, but the routing from Copilot gave me a route that was 3 hours shorter than Navman, and it proved to be eerily accurate on its estimate too!
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Awesome, sounds like CoPilot worked like a charm for you

I have to say, I have been disappointed by co-pilot on android. It drops GPS fix all the time, taking ages to get it back unless you restart the app, usually at a crucial moment! It also freezes quite a lot. The general interface is awkward, just nowhere near as good as navigon and tomtom where on WM, since both are supposed to be releasing android versions I am holding out for them!

Ahhhhhh, but have you upgraded your ROM? This alone fixed the GPS dropping issues. to be honest I find it better than my TomTom due to the fact that it tracks speed cameras now as well.

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I have to say, I have been disappointed by co-pilot on android. It drops GPS fix all the time, taking ages to get it back unless you restart the app, usually at a crucial moment! It also freezes quite a lot. The general interface is awkward, just nowhere near as good as navigon and tomtom where on WM, since both are supposed to be releasing android versions I am holding out for them!
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All I can say is that I didn't experience a single issue in 1100miles/20 hours of driving. I only have complaint about Copilot and that is that I wish it used the "standard" Android on-screen keyboard rather than its own, as their own isn't very good.
Regards,
Dave

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All I can say is that I didn't experience a single issue in 1100miles/20 hours of driving. I only have complaint about Copilot and that is that I wish it used the "standard" Android on-screen keyboard rather than its own, as their own isn't very good.
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Dave
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Yeah, it's not QWERT. Very irritating.

tomfreay said:
I have to say, I have been disappointed by co-pilot on android. It drops GPS fix all the time, taking ages to get it back unless you restart the app, usually at a crucial moment! It also freezes quite a lot. The general interface is awkward, just nowhere near as good as navigon and tomtom where on WM, since both are supposed to be releasing android versions I am holding out for them!
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CoPilot gets its GPS information from the android framework. If you're losing GPS location, your device is at fault, not copilot! copilot is just quick to accept from the framework that the location is not longer acceptable.

Anyone know what the update released today was for?

Hmm sounds like I need to see what's wrong with my gps then give copilot another go. I am on the new Rom.
The idea of tom tom iq routes does still excite me though

roakes said:
Anyone know what the update released today was for?
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Qwerty keyboard! Not sure what else.

I am a total convert from tomtom .. I really like CoPilot.. (except for the keyboard)..
I am not 100% happy with the routes it chooses by default but I do know that if I bother I can modify its route planning preferences.. so yeah .. great program and roll on a decent live trafiic addon..

after an irritating start with copilot8, i can now report that (for me) the nav program works pretty damn good. i agree that the keyboard blows compared to what it can be. otherwise, i have solid gps connectivity that has locked into decent accuracy and updates speedily. also, the nav map screen as well as option screens do the trick. tomtom on winmo was more streamlined but i have come to appreciate the depth of features available though settings. the recent email from user support is encouraging too. it reads...
"Dear CoPilot Live Customer,
We hope that you are enjoying finding your way with CoPilot Live v8 navigation on your smartphone.
Now we are pleased to announce a free new service to help you keep your CoPilot Live maps up-to-date:
ALK MapSure™ map updates.
CoPilot Live's digital street maps are continuously maintained and updated to include changes in the North American road network. With MapSure™ updates, we will provide these updates to you free of charge throughout the life of your product version.
Coming soon to your CoPilot Live
Free monthly map maintenance updates downloaded straight to CoPilot Live on your phone. These include emergency road closures, updates reported by users and other improvements.
Free quarterly full map updates. The very latest maps of North America will be available as a free download every quarter through CoPilot Central 2.0 desktop software, iTunes or Android Market.
45 day map update commitment. If you notice a road or an address that you believe needs updating, you can report it directly to us. We will verify the information, add it to our maps and distribute it to everyone through an update within 45 days.
Click here to report an update
We will also be issuing regular software improvements throughout the life of your software version in response to customer feedback. Depending on your phone, you'll be able to download these updates via CoPilot Central, The iPhone AppStore or Android Market."

Have to agree with the positive points above.
I was an old time Tomtom user (having used v3, v5 and v7 over the years) I reluctantly switched to Copilot through lack of other options on Android.
A few weeks of use (with several thousand miles travelled) and I have to say I am very impressed. I have to admit that I have had a few lockups, but no more than I used to get with TT7 on my Omnia. The 2 lockups I have experienced have happened after 2-3 hours of running, so could be caused by the phone overheating (or too many additional apps alonside) rather than Copilot freezing.
I ocassionally lose GPS, but this is VERY rare, and it quickly picks me up again and reroutes accordingly - again this used to happen with TT7 so its not fair to fault Copilot for this.
For the price (I paid around £50 for the whole of Europe!!!) I would happily say that Copilot is my favourite sat nav program to date.
Cheers
Zippyioa

Just a headsup for those who tried CoPilot Early and didn't like certain things, the latest update (398) has introduced a QWERTY keyboard similar to the HTC one but skinned for CoPilot. MUCH better and easier to use. and also the maps update tracking as posted above. Brilliant GPS solution...
Dayzee

Anyone tried Sygic Drive for Android yet?
I used it on my old Nokia a while ago and the iPhone App Video looks just awesome!

Hi!
Just a question regarding the maps for CoPilot. When you download them to your memory-card, are they locked somehow? Can I backup the maps to a different location, so that I can save them in case of format of memory card etc?
I read that you have a one-time-only download of the maps...so it's kinda nice to know that I'm not stuck if I loose them
And how about updates for map? With all the roadwork going on, it might already be outdated by now?
And if anyone have experience with CoPilot in Norway, it would be nice to know
/Thx

stuck on authorizing credit card
hi,
given all positive feedback, I decided to buy copilot. I am in belgium, so no paid apps in the market here. So I used market enabler... However, I am now stuck. The app is listed as purchased, but I fail to download it. It gets stuck saying "authorizing credit card". I am sure there is nothing wrong with my credit card tho. Any ideas?

dudeldei said:
Hi!
Just a question regarding the maps for CoPilot. When you download them to your memory-card, are they locked somehow? Can I backup the maps to a different location, so that I can save them in case of format of memory card etc?
I read that you have a one-time-only download of the maps...so it's kinda nice to know that I'm not stuck if I loose them
And how about updates for map? With all the roadwork going on, it might already be outdated by now?
And if anyone have experience with CoPilot in Norway, it would be nice to know
/Thx
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Why note e-mail the company that produces CoPilot, I'm sure they will answer a possible customer.

dudeldei said:
Hi!
Just a question regarding the maps for CoPilot. When you download them to your memory-card, are they locked somehow? Can I backup the maps to a different location, so that I can save them in case of format of memory card etc?
I read that you have a one-time-only download of the maps...so it's kinda nice to know that I'm not stuck if I loose them
And how about updates for map? With all the roadwork going on, it might already be outdated by now?
And if anyone have experience with CoPilot in Norway, it would be nice to know
/Thx
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Hadn't heard that one. But I do have a link for map downloads so I'm not worried about it.

dragonflyFZX said:
hi,
given all positive feedback, I decided to buy copilot. I am in belgium, so no paid apps in the market here. So I used market enabler... However, I am now stuck. The app is listed as purchased, but I fail to download it. It gets stuck saying "authorizing credit card". I am sure there is nothing wrong with my credit card tho. Any ideas?
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I had this problem as well, It's a Google Market problem.
It sorted itself in a few days, Which was not very good.