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I've tried looking around for the answer to this but I guess I keep missing it. From what I'm good find the only reason one would have an empty Ext. Rom is to have more rom space on the phone. But not even sure what good that would do exactly.
Can anyone share some light and infom me please?
AFAIK
this is just like what we used to do to get rid of the sh1tty PIM apps on the Palm3 series, erase all the unnecessarry bits from the rom then you can use and app to make a "rom-disk" so you can use the space...
I myself would love to see a rom without any pim apps since I use third party apps for all these functions. and i'd kill file explorer and im sure there are others..
I gonna try to just add all my apps to a custom rom then just flash that, then even a hard reset you have all your apps... I think this is the "GOAL" here, I think unlocking the space and making it visible is working but writing needs another app and may not be "tom,**** and harry friendly, just yet".
Im gonna look into just cooking a rom with all the apps off I want off and as many of my third party apps in it, this seems the best way to go, from what Ive read, rom cooking on a PC is much easier than "adding/deleting" from ROM on board, at this point.
Its is a bit easier on board, but not safer, flashing is always dangerous, and removing things from the palm roms had som undesired affects that had to be ferreted out, It is not a PLUG and PLAY project...But its not all that hard, All this is theory that ive built up since I bought this thing about 3 weeks back, I have yet to test any of this, this isn't meant to be a howto but more a how-Im_gonna_try-it..
bhang
On what seems like every phone except the wizard, you can write to the ext rom, install apps to it, etc. That was the case with my old Blue Angel phone, anyway. With the wizard, you can't write to it without trashing it so the only thing it's really good for is when creating a custom rom, you can stick stuff in there to be installed after the flash or hard reset. Then it's basically useless. Woo hoo, huh?
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bhang said:
this is just like what we used to do to get rid of the sh1tty PIM apps on the Palm3 series, erase all the unnecessarry bits from the rom then you can use and app to make a "rom-disk" so you can use the space...
I myself would love to see a rom without any pim apps since I use third party apps for all these functions. and i'd kill file explorer and im sure there are others..
I gonna try to just add all my apps to a custom rom then just flash that, then even a hard reset you have all your apps... I think this is the "GOAL" here, I think unlocking the space and making it visible is working but writing needs another app and may not be "tom,**** and harry friendly, just yet".
Im gonna look into just cooking a rom with all the apps off I want off and as many of my third party apps in it, this seems the best way to go, from what Ive read, rom cooking on a PC is much easier than "adding/deleting" from ROM on board, at this point.
Its is a bit easier on board, but not safer, flashing is always dangerous, and removing things from the palm roms had som undesired affects that had to be ferreted out, It is not a PLUG and PLAY project...But its not all that hard, All this is theory that ive built up since I bought this thing about 3 weeks back, I have yet to test any of this, this isn't meant to be a howto but more a how-Im_gonna_try-it..
bhang
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i am also looking into doing the same thing.. like you mentioned i think the only thing its good for is to have your programs after a hard reset, it would certainly be more conveniant, not to mention i would like to remove some of the cingular garbage that gets added...
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bhang said:
this is just like what we used to do to get rid of the sh1tty PIM apps on the Palm3 series, erase all the unnecessarry bits from the rom then you can use and app to make a "rom-disk" so you can use the space...
I myself would love to see a rom without any pim apps since I use third party apps for all these functions. and i'd kill file explorer and im sure there are others..
I gonna try to just add all my apps to a custom rom then just flash that, then even a hard reset you have all your apps... I think this is the "GOAL" here, I think unlocking the space and making it visible is working but writing needs another app and may not be "tom,**** and harry friendly, just yet".
Im gonna look into just cooking a rom with all the apps off I want off and as many of my third party apps in it, this seems the best way to go, from what Ive read, rom cooking on a PC is much easier than "adding/deleting" from ROM on board, at this point.
Its is a bit easier on board, but not safer, flashing is always dangerous, and removing things from the palm roms had som undesired affects that had to be ferreted out, It is not a PLUG and PLAY project...But its not all that hard, All this is theory that ive built up since I bought this thing about 3 weeks back, I have yet to test any of this, this isn't meant to be a howto but more a how-Im_gonna_try-it..
bhang
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I fully agree with you on that. One of the major things I hate about flashing a new rom and having to re-install all the apps 1 by . To be able to hard reset with all the programs install would definitely top notch.
Just a question for all the developers here...
As like we did in magician where we could remove the ext rom and then add it again with the phone memory to increase the size of phone memory from 7mb to wooping 27mb (Bigstorage Hack)....Is it possible to do it with TyTN phone memory toooo...??that means by not using the seperately 7-10mb of ext rom with reg hack but adding it completely with the phones 48mb thus increasing it to 60mb or so...???
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sajib said:
Just a question for all the developers here...
As like we did in magician where we could remove the ext rom and then add it again with the phone memory to increase the size of phone memory from 7mb to wooping 27mb (Bigstorage Hack)....Is it possible to do it with TyTN phone memory toooo...??that means by not using the seperately 7-10mb of ext rom with reg hack but adding it completely with the phones 48mb thus increasing it to 60mb or so...???
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It would be brilliant if someone could do this. But there are different kinds of storage on WM5 devices, which is why the allocation slider between storage and program memory in the memory panel is not operational. So I'm not sure that the recovered memory would be usable as program memory... maybe just add some storage memory. Just not sure...
what we need to do is get a fresh rom, xelencin's 2.25 tmob is what Im thinking of using, then I want to take out
excel
power point
calender
contacts
tasks
file explorer?(it might pay to keep this just in case)
that should be a good start, then Im gonna try to add to the ROM,
Pocket informant
resco explorer and regedit
Hitchhiker
spb pocketplus
I think Im just gonna use the ext rom that comes with the above mentioned rom, so ill add any apps that i cant fit into my "edited" ROM into the EXT rom, i think i should be able to add them to the "stock" extrom
I have tons of reading to do before I think I'll have a rom Im willing to flash to my wiz, is there an emulator for pc to test roms before flashing them?
Is all of this possible, with available tools?, from what Ive read it is but somebody tell me if im wrong...
bhang
im a noob at this... i have only made 1 successful rom so far and it was just the extended rom that i changed.. So let me share some light on yours to the best of my knowledge so far...
Now as far as excel, PP, Calendar, tasks and file explorer.. i think they are actually part of the OS and not in the extended rom. Cause if you take a clean rom with 1 or 2 files in the extended rom like Mulski's then you still end up with all of those programs.. (someone please correct me if im wrong)
And as far as what you want to add.. Yes thats possible, you would need to add those to the extended rom (but not on the device) Do some searching on what you need to to.. there are some great threads out there that give you step by step instructions... which for some reason i cant find at this point in time... was gonna give you the link, but i just spent 30 minutes searching and cant the thread with a pdf of step by step instructions on making a rom...
I think I read that's what Summiter is overall aiming to do. Make so we can choose what we want. I can definitely use a feature like removing powerpoint and the rest of the stuff I never use.
Hello-
I'm new to Windows Mobile (I've been on Palm OS for at least 5 years) and I have AT&T Tilt (8925).
I've been playing around with it for a while, and there's still some things I have questions on-
1)How do I complete remove some programs that I do not want and don't appear under "Remove Programs"? I know they're located in the Windows folder, but I get a Error 5 whenever I try to delete them- I think they're read-only or something...
2) I'm also having problems with the GPS receiver. At times it will work great, acquiring a signal in seconds, and other times it won't work at all, searching for a long time to find nothing. I use Live Search and Google Maps and have the same problem with both.. Any ideas?
3) Coming from Palm OS, I'm used to text messages coming up in a view. Is there a way to change that?
4) I modified my PTT button to work as any program. Is there a specific registry key I can set it to so that it acts as a power button?
5) I use gmail and I'm using their IMAP service. Some of my messages are appearing blank when downloaded. Was I supposed to change settings or something? Why does it only work for some and not others?
6) And last but not least, does anybody have any good mod/util programs to recommend?
Thanks for your help
Also,
7) Does anyone know how to disable the sound on the 3G launch screen when the device reboots?
I havent got too many answers to your questions, but this would be a sart at least.
KaiserTweak has many necessary customizations (but I dont think it addresses most of your questions.)
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=333898
The apps you want to remove sounds like the Cingular built-in ones. In that case you can avoid installing them by doing a hard reset, and rebooting before it installs the carrier customizations.
This article gives a step by step howto.
http://tiltsite.com/2007/10/how-to-beat-the-bloat-on-your-att-tilt/
Also this page was useful in getting my GPS problems sorted out. The GPSTEST software seemed to cure the problem all by itself (and its freeware)
http://www.expansys.nl/ft.aspx?k=100176
Surur
Yeah, I've got KaiserTweak already, I love it.
In terms of the "bloatware", that is indeed what I want to remove, but there's also some that I want to keep... Is there a way to remove programs that arent in "Remove Programs"?
Not AFAIK, but the actual AT&T apps are available as a separate cab in this thread.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=332438
Unfortunately they are still bundled together, but at leas they can be cleanly uninstalled.
Surur
PTK8ofBH said:
Yeah, I've got KaiserTweak already, I love it.
In terms of the "bloatware", that is indeed what I want to remove, but there's also some that I want to keep... Is there a way to remove programs that arent in "Remove Programs"?
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Even after bypassing the bloatware install, the CAB files should still be on the device for you to install them on your own. Might take a bit of digging to find the proper ones and you may need something like Resco Explorer, or Total Commander to "see" them. I think the built in file explorer hides some of the system files, but I couldn't tell you much more than that.
Thanks. The GPS Fix doesn't seem to do much- am I missing something?
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Thanks. The GPS Fix doesn't seem to do much- am I missing something?
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Are you able to run it. You should be able to use it to test the function of your GPS device, and find out what port it uses etc. Its a smartphone program, so you have to use it using the keys, not the touch screen.
Surur
It seems to help and it's definately a very useful app. I'll let you know if my problems persist.
Does anyone have any ideas on the other issues I'm having?
So I'm wanting to do my first hard reset.
It doesn't look like we're going to get any video drivers (soon or if ever), so I'm looking to try and squeeze some more performance out of my device. I've read that a hard reset makes things a bit better.
I've also installed and uninstalled a TON of software while trying to learn what I like and don't. I've figured out what I want and I've decided that what I'm installing should all be on my memory card anyway. So, the memory in the device is fragmented and I'm probably taking a performance hit from that.
What I want to know, is what to expect? What am I going to lose? I have an AT&T tilt. If I do a hard reset - I don't have to flash the ROM or anything like that, do I? Is it like performing a hard reset on any other phone? (Loss of contacts, pre-installed software from the service provider, etc etc)
Is it any different with a PPC?
After looking around, I didn't find much as to getting this question directly answered. If it is posted somewhere, can someone link me to it?
Thanks in advance!
It will simply go back to its "out of the box" state, like the very first time you turned it on.
The pre-installed software from the provider will load up again automatically, in five or ten minutes, you'll be good to go.
Then just adjust the settings to your personal taste/preferences, install the software you've found on xda-developers or elsewhere (I take it you have them backed up on your card or PC?) and you're back in the game!
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It will simply go back to its "out of the box" state, like the very first time you turned it on.
The pre-installed software from the provider will load up again automatically, in five or ten minutes, you'll be good to go.
Then just adjust the settings to your personal taste/preferences, install the software you've found on xda-developers or elsewhere (I take it you have them backed up on your card or PC?) and you're back in the game!
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Awesome! Thank you sir, much appreciated with the detailed response!
You're welcome.
What about installed applications on the storage-card? Are they automatically recognized again or do they require reinstallation?
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What about installed applications on the storage-card? Are they automatically recognized again or do they require reinstallation?
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just like when installing a windows-based computer, the applications installed on the storage card will not be automatically recognised, since the entry in the registry and all the .dll files from /windows directory are gone. you need to get the "kit" for a certain application - namely the .cab file - and reinstall it again, even if it will overwrite the most number of files on the card itself.
hope i was somehow clear.
cheers,
ionutz
ionutz6 said:
just like when installing a windows-based computer, the applications installed on the storage card will not be automatically recognised, since the entry in the registry and all the .dll files from /windows directory are gone. you need to get the "kit" for a certain application - namely the .cab file - and reinstall it again, even if it will overwrite the most number of files on the card itself.
hope i was somehow clear.
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Yes, you are clear
Good thing I'm already backing up my CAB's too somewhere in case my Kaiser should crash.
Thanks for clearing that up!
Dont forget to hide under your desk while its reseting.
If your contacts are saved on your sim, you can easily access them too. Just fyi...
Mitogenesis said:
Dont forget to hide under your desk while its reseting.
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*The reason you hide is silly. You really just need to close your eyes tightly. When you hard reset there is a gamma light energy release that has been known to slightly burn the retina of peoples eyes. Over time this can cause cataracts. So look away or close your eyes tightly.
Mitogenesis said:
Dont forget to hide under your desk while its reseting.
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rofl..............
tl;dr: I want a clean wm 6.1 rom for my Tmobile Wing that is stupid simple to install.
First off, let me say I really appreciate all the work that everyone has put into these custom roms here. I used to use X's MDA custom rom (and still do on my wife's MDA) because it was a very clean rom and it was stupid simple to use. You ran it, clicked next and yes to everything and waited.
I've had the Tmobile wing since launch and I've used the stock firmware because whenever I try to digest any information that is presented in the forum post format, my ADD kicks in and I get nowhere. Now that my replacement wing is here, I figured now is the best time to flash a new rom onto it because I can't put up with not being able to do things like take a picture without soft reseting.
So, I want to get rid of this stock rom but looking at the different rom threads, I'm not sure which one I want. I want to avoid as many 3rd party applications / today screen mods / touch interfaces as possible. Any 3rd party application I need, I'm happier to install post flash.
I do like the custom roms that have the obvious tweaks built in and I really like them when everything I need is included to take me from a fresh Wing out of the box to final product.
And finally, the easier the better. The last thing I have time for is tweaking my cell phone. I've put up with the awful stock rom since the wing came out simply because I haven't had the time to mess around with it.
I thank you in advance for your advice and help.
I'll build you a clean and simple ROM when I get home. Doubleclick on one file and click enter three times. Wait. Done.
ivanmmj said:
I'll build you a clean and simple ROM when I get home. Doubleclick on one file and click enter three times. Wait. Done.
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That is exactly what I was looking for. Thank you. I saw some of your threads and it looked very promising. I assume that covers the CID unlock?
Yep, it doesn't unlock it per say... just goes around the lock. Just one question. What programs do you want on it? If you're not sure, take a look at my kitchen. Those are the packages I'll be using.
Ok, I checked out your thread http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=372236
Adobe Flash
AdobeReader
MS Voice Command
Remote Desktop
I do fine with battery indicator that came with the wing.
Updated Microsoft Office
Java
Wing Keyboard Driver
I'm not familiar enough with each of the registry tweaks you mentioned.
Ivan's Tweaks sound fine, Beam disabled (since there is no IR), disable the security warnings, disable the sliding sounds, get TZ from the network, enable file cache, hide sim contacts, Increase FileSystem filter cache, INcrease font cache, and most definitely get rid of SMS sent message notification if that isn't in there. Also IE temp files on the storage card would be grand.
Ideally the Comm settings would be set for Tmobile USA. (But I don't need My5)
And whatever applications are part of the core OS. I'm not all that unpleased with the stock rom for the wing. I uninstalled a bunch of applications when I got it and haven't had to hard reset it since so I don't remember all the different bloat that came on there. I just would like a bit less of a memory leak, a few good registry tweaks, and of course an update to wm6.1.
If the stock ringtones and sounds can be cut to save space, I'm all for it. However, I read on some of your other posts that you have to get to a certain size on the ROM or it fails. So if that is the case, the sounds/rings can stay.
And as long as I can flash back to the stock rom if I have to warranty this bad boy, I'm as happy as a clam. Maybe I'm crazy but I prefer installing applications outside of the rom process. I like starting with a clean base. The only things I have installed are Google Maps, SPB Wallet and SPB Pocket Plus. Like I said, I try to keep it very simple.
rosewood said:
Ok, I checked out your thread http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=372236
Adobe Flash
AdobeReader
MS Voice Command
Remote Desktop
I do fine with battery indicator that came with the wing.
Updated Microsoft Office
Java
Wing Keyboard Driver
I'm not familiar enough with each of the registry tweaks you mentioned.
Ivan's Tweaks sound fine, Beam disabled (since there is no IR), disable the security warnings, disable the sliding sounds, get TZ from the network, enable file cache, hide sim contacts, Increase FileSystem filter cache, INcrease font cache, and most definitely get rid of SMS sent message notification if that isn't in there. Also IE temp files on the storage card would be grand.
Ideally the Comm settings would be set for Tmobile USA. (But I don't need My5)
And whatever applications are part of the core OS. I'm not all that unpleased with the stock rom for the wing. I uninstalled a bunch of applications when I got it and haven't had to hard reset it since so I don't remember all the different bloat that came on there. I just would like a bit less of a memory leak, a few good registry tweaks, and of course an update to wm6.1.
If the stock ringtones and sounds can be cut to save space, I'm all for it. However, I read on some of your other posts that you have to get to a certain size on the ROM or it fails. So if that is the case, the sounds/rings can stay.
And as long as I can flash back to the stock rom if I have to warranty this bad boy, I'm as happy as a clam. Maybe I'm crazy but I prefer installing applications outside of the rom process. I like starting with a clean base. The only things I have installed are Google Maps, SPB Wallet and SPB Pocket Plus. Like I said, I try to keep it very simple.
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you can wait for open touch 4 =] that's what I am doing.
I'm currently using touch-it vista style.
rosewood said:
Ok, I checked out your thread http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=372236
Adobe Flash
AdobeReader
MS Voice Command
Remote Desktop
I do fine with battery indicator that came with the wing.
Updated Microsoft Office
Java
Wing Keyboard Driver
I'm not familiar enough with each of the registry tweaks you mentioned.
Ivan's Tweaks sound fine, Beam disabled (since there is no IR), disable the security warnings, disable the sliding sounds, get TZ from the network, enable file cache, hide sim contacts, Increase FileSystem filter cache, INcrease font cache, and most definitely get rid of SMS sent message notification if that isn't in there. Also IE temp files on the storage card would be grand.
Ideally the Comm settings would be set for Tmobile USA. (But I don't need My5)
And whatever applications are part of the core OS. I'm not all that unpleased with the stock rom for the wing. I uninstalled a bunch of applications when I got it and haven't had to hard reset it since so I don't remember all the different bloat that came on there. I just would like a bit less of a memory leak, a few good registry tweaks, and of course an update to wm6.1.
If the stock ringtones and sounds can be cut to save space, I'm all for it. However, I read on some of your other posts that you have to get to a certain size on the ROM or it fails. So if that is the case, the sounds/rings can stay.
And as long as I can flash back to the stock rom if I have to warranty this bad boy, I'm as happy as a clam. Maybe I'm crazy but I prefer installing applications outside of the rom process. I like starting with a clean base. The only things I have installed are Google Maps, SPB Wallet and SPB Pocket Plus. Like I said, I try to keep it very simple.
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Sounds like how I like my ROMs.
My ROMs are stripped to the bare minimum. Yes, there is a size requirement that I've been trying to find a way to bypass it but my kitchen DOES work around the problem by inflating ROMs that are too small into the correct size with empty space. I haven't had time to work on this, yet, as I'm heading to work right now, but I will try to get it done tonight.
never mind, wrong...
Thank you ivanmmj. I would say keep the sounds in then since taking them out doesn't really do anything.
Would it be possible to put something in that could be deleted post install? I am just tossing out ideas.
As for "waiting for open touch 4" and using touch-it vista style, I've looked at the threads for that and it just has a bunch of stuff, like the HTC today screen stuff that I don't ever want to use. My today screen is very clean. It has Tmobile's plugin that shows network, date, wifi and bluetooth status. It has my owner info and my calendar info. This is it. I used to use SPB Diary but it was a memory hog and I never did like the clutter.
You don't need the sounds and the less files, the faster the ROM. You can't uninstall anything that's built into the ROM, only things installed after through the ExtROM or anything else. The padding I put in makes the ROM bigger but doesn't add any files. It's all HEX.
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You don't need the sounds and the less files, the faster the ROM. You can't uninstall anything that's built into the ROM, only things installed after through the ExtROM or anything else. The padding I put in makes the ROM bigger but doesn't add any files. It's all HEX.
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Well fast is what makes my day
I can't wait for you to work your magic.
Thanks
OK, my first post so be gentle.
I have MDA Vario that has been flashed with TPCElite series V11 MEGA wm6.5 23017. It also has the touchflo GUI running. Now having tried it for a week (only just purchased it a week ago) I can say that I'm not a fan of the touchflo prog. It seems to hang on occasions and I often end up selecting something I didn't want only to find the phone connecting to the net. So I have switched it off. There is a windows default one that is working fine, but I can't see a way to customise the menu so I can add what I want to it.
So my dilemma. Do I flash with a "lite" rom and add a GUI myself afterwards - this way I can uninstall it if I don't like it. Or should I just leave it deselected and install a new one? Will this have any performance/memory issues - ie is the lite rom a better way to go.
I had a Mio PDA with iLauncher on it and I liked the ability to add my own shortcuts etc.
If I should flash can anyone recommend a stable reliable rom. Also is there a better GUI? Been looking at Manila 2D v2 but I want to be able to customise the main menu and I don't want it sluggish.
One final thing. Is it possible to get the phone to ask permission before connecting via gprs rather than scurrying around for the disconnect. I've looked through the menus but can't find anything. Don't mind using it if I want it, just fed up of it dialing it by mistake -(I have sausage fingers.)
i recommend the t.i.r element v5 rom. ive been thru many roms including the tpc series that you have tried and i find that t.i.r element v5 is the best w/ smooth graphics, great gui (full landscape support etc.) i cant post a link as of now since i am new to posting on xda so please look it up and give it a shot!
Is there a CLI version of a rom for this phone or is someone just trying too sound fancy? Since when is touchflu a GUI? I am totally confused.
Do I flash with a "lite" rom and add a GUI myself afterwards
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Uh my head is hurting make it stop.. SOMEONE REPLIED TO THIS?? awmg
If I should flash can anyone recommend a stable reliable rom. Also is there a better GUI
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I am so confused, it's like trying to mess with a womans bra (Full Landscape support) for the first time, what do I do.. do I call her new hair doo a pair of panties? AAAHHHHHHHH
Stylez close this **** down.. REASON.... Doesn't make any sense at all..
I used the GUI version of this forum to reply.. Thanks.
hi DTBrum,
touchflo - i never liked it too, don't know which files are responsible for its running and if it could be removed, seems like it's part of needed htc drivers to me, but this will switch it off completely:
[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Software\OEM\TFLOSettings]
"EnableScroll"=dword:00000000
"EnableCube"=dword:00000000
you need a registry editor to change those values.
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you can't replace gui, or you can theoretically but what you mean is sort of launcher, or today manager. I tried more and didn't like any, they all seems to be laggy to me.
windows in default uses today screen and start menu, it's the same way as in pc edition, there are folders with shortcuts in them for start menu
look in \windows\start menu folder. and on today screen, you can set what you want to see there in settings/today
I use start replacement called quickmenu which is a very small prg with lots of tweaks.
if you don't like those fancy launchers and controls, better you make your own rom. it's very easy with tools from xda. nearly all custom roms lite or full you'll find here have some kind of launchers and today replacement already in them and it's hard to remove or disable them.
there is a lot of different apps like iLauncher, you can install/uninstall.
no one will recommend you any custom rom here, you need to go through trying one after another because everybody's preferences differs. look in wiki.
automatic connect. no, there is no way to disable this. you can use app called 'nodata' but then you'll have to run it to enable/disable every time you want to use internet. But it solves problems in roaming.
Some programs can be set to not auto dial. and another option is, you can set a fake internet connection, make it default and then when you want to go online you'll dial the real one manually. But you may find that some programs would not want to use other then default connection.
and don't get discouraged here on forum, some people are smart here, true, but not all of us here get born that way.
Thankx for the replies.
What I found with touchflo was that there are occasions where I try to scroll from left to right and nothing happens, then all of a sudden I find it has selected something like maps or internet and the phone is trying to connect to the net. Then it starts responding normally. So as a front end user interface for me I'm not that keen on it. Also I can't see a way to remove the categories sucj as maps, and add my own. I have a registry editor and will try changing the values suggested and see if that helps. I'll do a search for the other bits recommended.
Apologies ChumleyEX, not sure if I used the correct terminology. For me a program such as touchflo is an alternative GUI that sits on top of the windows GUI. Just want to know if there are better, more reliable ones. Doesn't have to be fancy. I want to be able to customise it and for it to be quick and responsive.
Sorry I'm sure I was too harsh, I was feeling a little too good last night.
No problem ChumleyEX - no harm done.
Papo - thanks for you time and help, you cleared a few things up for me. Registry edited and touchflo now disabled.
As I said I've only had this device a week and only just found this site recently, so I'm not really up on the terminology so I'm hoping you can look past my shortcomings please. I'll get there. I'm no novice with pc's or pda's but I'm not in the same league as most people on here I admit.
My question about installing an alternative to touchflo was because some of these other programs such as ilauncher like to be installed to the device memory rather than storage card. I don't want to find I start running low on resources so I was contemplating flashing the phone with a wm6.5 lite version with all the MS bloatware removed and adding a launcher/today screen manager afterwards. At least this way if I don't like a particular one I could un-install that. I have no option to remove touchflo.
I was hoping that by describing what I was after people would recommend something that fits the bill. But for now I keep looking at the roms and reading the comments until I find one I like the look of. There is some really nice work here on this site - so tempted to give it a go. I guess we all like different things so it's a matter of personal choice really. Key for me is functionality/responsiveness. It's no good if the interface gets in the way no matter how good it looks.
Off to read some reviews of roms on here now. I'll check out t.i.r element v5 as suggested by agent1001 first.
dude, stop fretting and just try out as many ROMs as you can...and remember to search and read a LOT! it will help in the long run to build your concepts.
i have TWO more suggestions/clarifications for you:
1. you might have big fingers, but what i suspect is that you are using your device as if it has a capacitive screen...which it doesn't. the kaiser (like many htc phones) has a resistive screen. essentially, what this means is that the screen will respond best with a good amount of pressure, applied at a point. so the best suggestion i can give you that will tremendously improve your experience with the device is...use your finger NAILS! the effect is as if you are using a stylus and once you get used to it, any "GUI" will become usable.
2. what you call a "GUI" is not a GUI, technically. this is what chumleyex was alluding to. these "GUIs" run as today screen plugins. they are just that...they are "today screen plugins"...also called "home screen" in other contexts of discussion. you can have many such plugins installed on your device. you can even have many such plugins running at once on your today screen. however, some take over the today screen completely, so you can only use them exclusively. manila2d/manila3d, spb mobile shell, and quite a few others are such kinds of today screen plugins. installing multiple such plugins only takes up storage space. RUNNING multiple such plugins is like running many applications at once...which will consume memory and may slow down the phone, etc, etc.
as always, you should have read the forum rules...which clearly state that "best of" threads or "suggest me a <insert requirement here>" style threads are against the forum rules. which leads me to believe that you probably haven't read the other "stickies" and "wikis" either. start there and then you'll find yourself asking a lot less basic questions that clutter up the forum. don't be surprised if this thread is closed soon by a forum mod. cheers.
Thanks ASCIIker - screen is more responsive with more pressure. Guess I was worried about cracking it.
I did do loads of reading before posting - mainly to do with how to, hard spl, soft spl, roms, radio threads. Sorry if I missed the bit about asking for recommendations.
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I don't want to find I start running low on resources so I was contemplating flashing the phone with a wm6.5 lite version with all the MS bloatware removed and adding a launcher/today screen manager afterwards. At least this way if I don't like a particular one I could un-install that.
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I get the feeling that you think those fancy things in full custom ROMs are taking up space. they are not. and not using them, disabling them, or deleting shortcuts from start menu would do the same as uninstalling.
you've got:
flash memory - (ROM)
int. memory - think about it as HDD: depends, typicaly little over 100MB
RAM, operating memory, like on PC another 100MB: to be used by progs.
those names differs, to add confusion, some refers to int.memory as ROM
MS bloatware & fancy stuff from custom ROMs which you don't want could still rest in peace in ROM and not bothering you. you'll still have your 100MB int.mem. And as long as they are not actively running you still will have 100 RAM and no processor power used. but exactly like mentioned every plugin on today screen means it's running too. get an fdc task manager or alternative to see all processes and other stuff running. (not just tasks) You can find a way to disable nearly everything.
I have no option to remove touchflo.
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I don't think there is any. even with ultra lite, i could be mistaken with this, but i tried hard and it looks like it's part of required htc drivers. so you only could disable it...at least! i hated it too no matter about fingers. it seems better on htc pro2 anyway.
But for now I keep looking at the roms and reading the comments until I find one I like the look of.
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yep, the look would be the main difference i'll say.
but if you want functionality/responsiveness, than you probably better stick with using start button and today screen without unnecessary additions.
* installing on SD card means it will go much slower and (at least on my kaiser) will sometime create errors on card from crashed apps and when I dropped phone or it died w/o shutdown or when contacts on SD card get loosed. many times I even lost complete SD contents.
You have 100MB of int.mem!! it would love to be used by progs.
I suggest you to try all of available and up-to-date custom ROMs then after getting an idea of what is doing what, just mix your own rom. it's a matter of check-in what you want inside basically. and you can add your own stuff too. like programs you buy or are not in any ROM. I have over 110MB of programs fitted in ROM and still 100MB int.mem. and speed of the device and ram is not affected too, because i let only 3 - 4 apps from that running in background.
Well I've tried flashing it and had to visit the toilet as things didn't go well.
I flashed with a lite rom, plan being to leave enough free space on the device to install a nice front end/today screen/touchflo etc to the device when I settled on one I liked.
Rom flashed fine - quite like it.
Radio didn't go well. Got stuck at the dreaded tri coloured screen.
Mtty.exe didn't recover it either.
Visited toilet.
Flashed back to standard rom from manufacturer. All now back up and running.
Have changed underpants.
At least I was able to use the info on here to get it back up and running OK.
Problem was a write error flashing the suggested radio - at 99% got an error 226.
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plan being to leave enough free space on the device to install
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check my previous post.
try flashing from SD card, a lot of troubles with cable/pc/connector
format small (256MB) SD card with FAT32,
rename ruu_signed.nbh file to KAISIMG.NBH place on root of SD
hold camera button and start or reset pda
I think to be honest I'm a little paranoid about keeping the device memory free. The reason is my wife has an O2 Orbit which was running wm5. It has been updated to WM6 and she has very little free storage memory at all on the device to the point where we have struggled getting some programs installed. I know most give you the option to install to storage card or device, but some don't. Also the ones that do install on the storage card often put some files onto the device, such as help or configuration files.
I know this HTC has a lot more memory so it probably isn't an issue in reality.
I'm up to speed about the different types of memory and whether an app is consuming processing power or just storage space depending upon if it running or not. I just didn't have a chance to read your reply before I posted- wife wanted the PC back. And I was relieved just to have the phone back working.
Papo - thanks for you help. Really appreciate it.
I had my tilt for 2 years and never worried about memory.
OK, flashed the phone a couple of times yesterday and I've now found a rom I like a lot. Even the GUI - touchflo - works like a dream and with the programs that came with the rom I can even customise it how I like. It's smooth, quick and I am yet to discover a bug.
I'll give it a run for a couple of weeks and if I decide to keep this then I'll donate.
Interestingly I flashed back to stock rom from T Mobile through links I found on here. Worked without a problem, provided a 6ft+ 16stone bloke is happy with everything in pink. So I then flashed back to the standard HTC rom wm6.1 and had lots of problems. Basic things like selecting tick boxes didn't even work well.
I understand that everyone wants different things from their phones, how they look etc and that is why it is impossible to say which rom is best. But through this site, I have a customised phone that runs so smooth and quickly and looks damn smart. So at the moment I am well chuffed.
The only really difficulty I encountered was I lost all my contacts. Activesync wouldn't restore them and the backup I took was incomplete as I only backed up the sim and not the phone. D'oh. Anyway I've now sorted this out as I found all the old contacts in outlook deleted items. I restored them back to the contacts folder and synced them again and it's all now back up and running.
Off to have a play
If she lets me I may even flash the wifes O2 Orbit XDA. It's been upgraded from wm5 to wm6 and the new rom leaves very little free memory on the device itself and we do struggle at times getting some software onto it. The version of TomTom I have doesn't let you choose where to install it to, it just goes onto the device. I have manually moved it back to the SD card and made new shortcuts etc, but I feel a new rom from this site would be the way to go.
Thank you to all who helped me.
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difficulty I encountered was I lost all my contacts. Activesync wouldn't restore them
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activeSync & outlook played tricks on me too, deleting or doubling all contacts... even easier than backing up by backup program, is to copy 'RAW' database in pda before re-flashing. it's all in one file called PIM.VOL in root of phone. calendar is there as well. you can copy this to SD and upon reflashing copy back to root of pda and see what PC's outlook will have to say to it. or just keep on SD as 2nd backup.
note, the file may be locked by running programs (contacts, messages, home plugin) kill them from taskman in that case.
The version of TomTom I have doesn't let you choose where to install it to, it just goes onto the device.
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tomtom app is two files tomtom nav.exe and data.chk, put them anywhere you like and the rest, config files, will be created by it.
but it runs really slow from SD. and taking 13MB, so again, it's best to have them in ROM.