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TeleNav with Kaiser's Internal GPS - Working

I know some of you don't like TeleNav especially with the Kaiser having TomTom, but those of you who do here is some information.
The 8525 and Mogul versions of TeleNav force you to use a BlueTooth receiver and that obviously won't work.
I found this version that uses the internal GPS device flawlessly.
http://ota.telenav.com/ota/tn/ipaq69...Nav_hw69xx.cab
The only downside is that it uses TeleNav v4.2 rather than the new v5.2.
Anyone know if a v5.2 that allows you to use the internal GPS device?
Thanks!

i tried it, it says the signal is too weak

thai21 said:
I know some of you don't like TeleNav especially with the Kaiser having TomTom, but those of you who do here is some information.
The 8525 and Mogul versions of TeleNav force you to use a BlueTooth receiver and that obviously won't work.
I found this version that uses the internal GPS device flawlessly.
http://ota.telenav.com/ota/tn/ipaq69...Nav_hw69xx.cab
The only downside is that it uses TeleNav v4.2 rather than the new v5.2.
Anyone know if a v5.2 that allows you to use the internal GPS device?
Thanks!
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can you repost the link. It's truncated...
Tanx,
-Mc

funny it won't run on mine..program just doesn't open.

http://ota.telenav.com/ota/tn/choice/at_hp.html Click on the 2nd link.
If it says signal too weak, wait a minute and try again - it takes up to 2 minutes at times to aquire the GPS data I've noticed.
If the program won't launch try uninstalling TeleNav, soft resetting and reinstalling it. This happened to me as well and I got it to run eventually and it's been fine since.
If you Kaiser has an ORANGE blinkiing light on the top right, that means the GPS signal is active and it's looking for data or has data. So when you run TeleNav, look to see if it's blinking or not.
Good luck.

TomTom 6 on Kaiser

Ok I successfully installed TT6 on my Kaiser, which currently runs dutty 3/8 rom and niki radio. I have Kaiser Tweak installed as well. Everytime I open TomTom it wants to connect to GPRS. From my previous experience when GPRS is transferring data it uses MB's, which I am charged for because i do not have any data plan, nor do I want one because I am usually in hotspots. In addition, I have quick gps, gps test, and gps tool, applications installed on my device.
I was able to get a connection yesterday without using GPRS. For some reason I clicked on Traffic Updates in the configuration. Now everytime i connect to TT6 it opens the GPRS connection. When I hit cancel with GPRS I cannot establish a GPS signal.
Will I be charged for GPRS connection if data is transferred if so, how do i use my TT6 application to avoid any service fees or any transfers that will costs me money.
edit1: I also tried disabling my traffic updates however no success
edit2: i have my own software with all maps. I did not dl any of the tomtom6 software featured in this forum so this issue may be different. In addition, i searched this similar problem with confusing results.

Did you try disabling traffic updates? That is what is connecting...

yes i did...

this shouldn't be a difficult thing to answer for those who don't use any type of data connection (medianet, gprs, 3g etc) and use gps.

go into tomtom plus services and disable wireless data, if that doesnt work, and since you are a legal user of tomtom, then why dont you contact their tech support, that's what they are there for

redbandana said:
Ok I successfully installed TT6 on my Kaiser, which currently runs dutty 3/8 rom and niki radio. I have Kaiser Tweak installed as well. Everytime I open TomTom it wants to connect to GPRS. From my previous experience when GPRS is transferring data it uses MB's, which I am charged for because i do not have any data plan, nor do I want one because I am usually in hotspots. In addition, I have quick gps, gps test, and gps tool, applications installed on my device.
I was able to get a connection yesterday without using GPRS. For some reason I clicked on Traffic Updates in the configuration. Now everytime i connect to TT6 it opens the GPRS connection. When I hit cancel with GPRS I cannot establish a GPS signal.
Will I be charged for GPRS connection if data is transferred if so, how do i use my TT6 application to avoid any service fees or any transfers that will costs me money.
edit1: I also tried disabling my traffic updates however no success
edit2: i have my own software with all maps. I did not dl any of the tomtom6 software featured in this forum so this issue may be different. In addition, i searched this similar problem with confusing results.
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You can you the program NoData http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=1325870&postcount=7 to disable GPRS traffic.

thanks i'll look into the "no data" application.

hmmm but i can do the same thing with kaiser tweak, however tomtom cannot establish a signal.

Another thing to check is taht A-GPS is DISABLED,if not it will try to get GPS fixes via cellsites and download the sat data as well whenever the GPS is activated.
Good Luck
Ashley

AshleySear said:
Another thing to check is taht A-GPS is DISABLED,if not it will try to get GPS fixes via cellsites and download the sat data as well whenever the GPS is activated.
Good Luck
Ashley
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hmmm i have it enabled right now. so are you saying i should disable assisted gps?

AshleySear said:
Another thing to check is taht A-GPS is DISABLED,if not it will try to get GPS fixes via cellsites and download the sat data as well whenever the GPS is activated.
Good Luck
Ashley
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i think u solved the issue. I'll let u know in a few hours but as i can see from bein indoors the gprs 3g connection isn't popping up. Thanks for everyones input. I figured there was an easy solution.

Ok that solved the issue of connecting to the net but now I cannot get a satelite signal anywhere in Boston.

You have to try out couple different things. First off, try a different version of tomtom. Do a search and should pop up with couple diffrernt versions. I can tell you that my version doesn't connect to data at all. Maybe the A-GPS option works, but you're not doing something correctly. There's a tomtom tutorial somewhere. Do a search for that. Verify COM4 or whatever com gps is on. Test out HTC GPS tool to see if you can pick up any satellites. Could possibly be the radio. Many different things you can try out here.

thomassster said:
You have to try out couple different things. First off, try a different version of tomtom. Do a search and should pop up with couple diffrernt versions. I can tell you that my version doesn't connect to data at all. Maybe the A-GPS option works, but you're not doing something correctly. There's a tomtom tutorial somewhere. Do a search for that. Verify COM4 or whatever com gps is on. Test out HTC GPS tool to see if you can pick up any satellites. Could possibly be the radio. Many different things you can try out here.
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I understand however I have tried everything. It was working correctly previous to when I hit traffic updates. I tested everything and then reinstalled the program onto my device late last night. It previously worked with niki radio and dutty rom on com4 with almost all the bauds. The A-GPS system did not make it work and it also attempted to connect to the internet. When I try to run AGPS now it doesn't connect to the internet even with it enabled in Kaiser Tweak after a soft reset.

TomTom and WM 6.1
I just switched my ROM over to WM 6.1 ... tom tom looks like it is running fine, but the "check for updates" button under advanced features now just returns an error. Any thoughts? I have disabled my cingular proxy, so that should not be the problem.

weinson said:
I just switched my ROM over to WM 6.1 ... tom tom looks like it is running fine, but the "check for updates" button under advanced features now just returns an error. Any thoughts? I have disabled my cingular proxy, so that should not be the problem.
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whatever you do try not to hit traffic updates. It complete f'd up my gps application, gprs, and my medianet is no longer working for what I can see. They are all enabled too, which makes this even more confusing now. Thinking about doing a hard reset cause I have back up of everything on my pc. Just don't want to be bothered with spending hours updating right now.

ok fixed going to have moderators remove this thread cause nothing usable came out of it.

redbandana said:
ok fixed going to have moderators remove this thread cause nothing usable came out of it.
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Here's an idea: Share with the community, post what you did to fix the problem.

kyphur said:
Here's an idea: Share with the community, post what you did to fix the problem.
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hear hear (esp since I may have the same issue)

Here's an idea: Share with the community, post what you did to fix the problem.
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Yes You are correct and I apologize.
Ok, first I disabled agps and then was not able to get a signal anywhere.
2nd, I removed all TT6 Apps from my phone and TTHome from my PC
3rd, I Removed my SD card and any remaining applications or files that had anything to do with TT6 or the term "navigator" by using the file explorer.
4th, I moved the TT6 cab file to my device and ran it.
5th, I then formatted my SD card from my PC.
6th, Inserted the SD card back into the phone
7th, Moved the Navigator Application from the "Crack" file onto my SD card.
8th, Went into Program Files on my device and deleted the Navigator file that was there.
9th, Moved the Navigator application from the SD card to the navigator file on my device which would be under "program applications". I also moved the US and Canada Maps onto the device.
10th, I reinstalled TTHome onto my PC
11th, Connected Through active sync and set up the TT6 on my device using the appropriate baud and com4.
12th, After installing the updates from TTHome. I again removed TTHome application from my PC. Somehow, only running the updates once will allow the program to work. If I reconnect my device through active sync and TTHome is still installed I will be unable to use the application again on my phone because it will not get a signal if I reupdate.

AGPS - any proof of it working/providing benefit? (new topic - pls read!)

Now please no groaning when you see this topic. I know the GPS has been hammered to death on these forums; this post is my vein attempt to see if one particular area of interest of mine has at all moved forward.
(let's also side-step the whole "does your GPS lag?" issue here too!)
(..and, for clarify, I'm referring to AGPS as in the use of the mobile phone network to 'assist' positioning by use of triangulation in areas of poor/no GPS reception, and NOT the use of QuickGPS to download current sat. info in an attempt to get a quicker initial fix)
I used to use TomTom Navigator v7.450; it worked (of a fashion! ) although one specific thing that never worked was that whenever AGPS was enabled (using AdvancedConfig or similar) TomTom would get a signal and then immediately drop it again.. on/off on/off etc.. the fix being to disable AGPS.
I must admit I'm suspicious about HTC having their stock ROMs with AGPS disabled by default - especially as this was initially a 'selling point' of the device and part of the sales blurb ("not only does it have GPS but really good GPS using AGPS".. oh the irony!) - have they themselves ever got it to work?!?!
Now TomTom Navigator v7.910 is out (have just installed it myself, currently waiting for an updated map to download). I have seen it muted that this now works with AGPS on the Diamond or maybe the Pro (ie. someone reports the above bug, yet claims it now works having moved to v7.910). Can anyone else confirm this? More importantly, can anyone confirm AGPS has given the Diamond any GPS-related benefit what-so-ever?? (ie. great if it doesn't stop TomTom working anymore, but does it actually improve it like it should?).
I'll of course try it out myself later today or over the weekend and report back.
Hope this makes sense.. cheers.

just tried TomTom 7.910 (9185) with AGPS enabled, and cant say i noticed much difference.
seems the same now with it enable or dissabled. Cant be sure tho, havent done a long journey yet.
Will update later/tomorrow.

mugglesquop said:
just tried TomTom 7.910 (9185) with AGPS enabled, and cant say i noticed much difference.
seems the same now with it enable or disabled. Cant be sure tho, haven't done a long journey yet.
Will update later/tomorrow.
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Thanks for taking the time etc.
Interesting, because..
I've just taken a wonder outside and found I'm still getting the signal constantly being lost bug (looking at the screen that shows the sat. bars I have a good signal for a few seconds, then this goes and 'No GPS device' is displayed, then good signal back again and so on).
On this Diamond I'm using ROM 1.93.401.2 the the supplied radio (1.0.25.05), as I suspected this 'improvement' (potentially) noticed by you/others is more likely a result of a ROM/radio update and not a TomTom software update (guessing this AGPS bug isn't the first thing you try after flashing is it?).
Hmm..
nb. I'm using the exact same version/build of TomTom as you

hmmm... yeh, i'm going on a 60+ mile journey later, so will have a play.
Using Dutty's 3.4 ROM and Radio is BS14...

I thought that the whole point of AGPS is so you could help you get a GPS fix when indoors. Which I always thought was an unusual selling point when the entire purpose of GPS software is to help you find your way in the outdoors. Perhaps it could be more useful for those new tagging services that are popping up.
Anyhow I've been running a fairly recent version of iGo8 using Dutty's Rom 3.3 and 3.4 (both with that new radio).
With AGPS turned off, GPS signal is quickly attained and holds strong outdoors. Nothing indoors, naturally.
With AGPS turned on (via Duttys "AGPS Settings" utility), GPS signal is as quickly attained and flickers fully on then fully off, repeating constantly. When indoors, nothing at all.
So, with iGo8, AGPS seems to be a non-runner.
By the way, I once read that AGPS has to be configured to your particular mobile provider. Perhaps that's the issue?

Same here, with a-gps enabled signal drops constantly

after my journey yesterday, had the same problems as above.
tried with TomTom 7 and iGo8

I've never had any problems with GPS apart from slow getting a moving fix when the unit is physically very hot.
The main benefit of AGPS for me is that you can get your location on Google Maps within 1500m or so without enabling GPS.
It also proves A-GPS works.

ben cole said:
I've never had any problems with GPS apart from slow getting a moving fix when the unit is physically very hot.
The main benefit of AGPS for me is that you can get your location on Google Maps within 1500m or so without enabling GPS.
It also proves A-GPS works.
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Hmm, I think this is thanks to googles effort, not AGPS... Google uses Google Gears API which can position you by using basestations and SSIDs.
AGPS is correcting/updating the GPS data with actual almanac data sent from you mobile provider...
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Same here, with a-gps enabled signal drops constantly
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Same for me, anyone being able to use TomTom and AGPS without losing signal periodically?

ben cole said:
I've never had any problems with GPS apart from slow getting a moving fix when the unit is physically very hot.
The main benefit of AGPS for me is that you can get your location on Google Maps within 1500m or so without enabling GPS.
It also proves A-GPS works.
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Yeah Google Maps does this on its own without having AGPS enabled on the Diamond. I believe AGPS is supposed to be more accurate than 1000m - 1500m though.
Oh and I believe the way that Google Maps gets its position depends on your mobile provider. I used to get the message "your location is not available" constantly on my network but one day (simultaneously as the iPhone was released in my country), the location was available. So I believe that the network flicked a switch for this technology to work.

AGps and TomTom
Hi,
agps have need to run to:
1) Carrier to inform MobilePhone here is (Is a Base Station Issue)
2) Public information about position
On mobilephone if is enable i think is need to have different information, and tomtom have old pattern to process agps information.
With googlemaps have new process and can use.
With my diamond agps run (googlemaps)
Cityhunter71

Please, don't mix the Google technology and A-GPS. They have nothing in common.
Google maintains their own privately held database of GSM-cellids which GMM can query to determine your position based on the current cellid.
A-GPS is a technology where the GSM-basestation itself receives GPS-satellitedata and relays it to the device. With this additional data, the GPS-receiver in the device is supposed to achieve a faster fix.
Have fun!

a-gps works with 7.450
i remember once that it was taking forever for the satelites to be found yet is was updating my postion on the map constantly via a-gps (which im sure was enabled by default in stock rom as ive never changed it)
a-gps is useful inside because you usually have your phone with you and to find a route, you need gps

Apologies for my erroneous post.
I realised my error today when I installed Google Maps on an ageing Blackberry I had unlocked to play with.
Started it up and lo and behold there was my location....thought I'd better head back here to suffer my shame ...LOL

Thanks for the input guys.
So - in summary:
Even with later ROMS / radios / software applications, there is still yet to be seen any benefit from the Diamond (theoretically) having an A-GPS capability.
RUBBISH!!
I personally subscribe to the theory that there is a missing link between the A-GPS driver type software and an info feed from the likes of the network operator, ie. it's all very well it picking up info on the network but without a back-end database to translate this it's useless.
As far as purpose goes.. I personally think A-GPS sounds on paper to be a great idea. Not a replacement for GPS, nor to be used exclusively indoors, but a good aid/starting point. For example, if I'm sitting in an unfamiliar office in London and wanted to use TomTom to navigate me a route to where I want to get to, A-GPS could provide TomTom with a rough starting point. Similarly, I often find myself launch a nav program (when I'm lost!) and standing there for up to 5 mins waiting for a fix.. at least this would give me an approximation from which I could probably work out myself where I was from looking around me. In my mind when you first fire up TomTom on the Diamond A-GPS should simply put you in the right postcode and start doing its stuff while the GPS seeks out its signal, and not still show me as being either at Home or its last known destination. But in any event - it seems not to work!! Bugger!!

I thought that aGPS was also to help hold a GPS signal when in tunnels, canyons, heavy forest cover (ie.Redwoods in this area, many tower to well over 300 feet!) or any situation where the signal from the satellites may be impaired, or even blocked completely.

Im running Duttys 3.5 and with AGPS on I will get a signal for 10 seconds, then it goes for a second, then back for 10. then gone. Turned AGPS off and all is well.

I can confirm that AGPS does work, some parts here in Finland it works and someplaces it does that on off thingy. once when I was just playing with my tomtom it got signal where it would never get it without it. but mostly here it doesnt work properly so i disable it.
But in Helsinki (larger city) it works properly and helps getting signal fast beneath tall buildings.
But yeah it doesnt work in my hometown so its kinda rubbish here.
Maybe it has something to do with how new are nearby cell towers or something. dunno

In Trondheim, Norway it worked with Telenor and gave me a signal indoors, but when I use it together with TomTom the signal gets lost periodicly, really really annoying since "everything" is already there. Probably just something with the co-operation with the regular GPS or something?

I think i got it to run.
I use tt7.910 on diamond with htc 1.93 dutch rom
My mobile provider is mobistar.
I can get a lock inside, tough it's slow(ie not as fast as outside).
When I fire up tt7 the almanac data is showing in the satelite screen.
reg settings are:
Code:
GPRSConnection: Orange World
GpsMode: 4
Network: Orange World
ServerIP: 194.51.71.138
ServerPort: 7275
ServerUrl: agps.orange.fr

GPS SCAN software

I dont know about others, but I've been having problems about my TTN6 acquiring gps signal. What I would have to do is to open my GoogleMap and scan my location there and then open my TTN6. Even the GoogleMap is having a hard time. I have my setting on Com4 and 4600.
I also use QuickGPS and always updated. Not really sure if it is because of cold start but i doubt it. There are times that I'd be using my gps already and I'd have to soft reset my phone(due to alignment issues) and when it comes back on, I would take awhile for it to find a signal(even though i'm on the same spot when I soft reset the phone).
Any help if appreciated.

rxdrift7 said:
I dont know about others, but I've been having problems about my TTN6 acquiring gps signal. What I would have to do is to open my GoogleMap and scan my location there and then open my TTN6. Even the GoogleMap is having a hard time. I have my setting on Com4 and 4600.
I also use QuickGPS and always updated. Not really sure if it is because of cold start but i doubt it. There are times that I'd be using my gps already and I'd have to soft reset my phone(due to alignment issues) and when it comes back on, I would take awhile for it to find a signal(even though i'm on the same spot when I soft reset the phone).
Any help if appreciated.
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Try another radio! Radio has alot to do with your GPS fix, big time!

phone info
well i'm using pc.ultimate.v10 wwe and the 1.65.14.06 radio. any advice what combination?

rxdrift7 said:
well i'm using pc.ultimate.v10 wwe and the 1.65.14.06 radio. any advice what combination?
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The tricky thing with radios is that they are different for every ROM, location and provider! So realy the only thing to do is try acouple out! Or go to the Ultimate Radio thread and read to see if someone from your area has recomended one or two! Here is the link to the thread! http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=393182
Where are you located? If you are by me than I can recomend a couple!

location
i'm southern california

rxdrift7 said:
i'm southern california
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Ok, thats far away and much warmer than Minesota! Yea I dont know any for California! There should be some suggestions in hte radio thread though! Sorry, wish I could help you more!

not sure if there's a difference, but on my device, i have set it to com 4 and 9600 and things seem to work fine here in Malaysia and in my travels to Indonesia.
my first GPS lock took some time and doing, and i finally got it working after i ran this "GPS Test" program. Forgot the original thread & poster i found it here, but here's a post with the same. http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=374349

I had a similar problem. Not being comfortable flashing another radio, I tried a program called Franson GPSGate. It allowed me to use mulitiple programs that utilize the GPS signal at the same time through the same COM port.
I also get fizes in under 15 seconds when I have GPSGate running first. (it primes the GPS signal and keeps it ready for programs that need it). Just another option.

agreed
GPSGate is a great program. Trialware though. I have started tinkering with a program called "AmazeGPS" that will give you turn-by turn directions, and update your route as you travel, unlike google maps. definetly not as handy as google maps for local searches though. best used if you have an address already. The Radio on your phone does affect GPS, as well as all the other connectivity areas (data, phone, bluetooth, and even wifi, i think). if you are looking for something with good connectivity, 1.71.09.01 is an awesome choice. the tradeoff is that it is a bit of a battery hog. i am assuming that you will be using this in a vehicle or something, as gps itself is a battery hog, and if you plan on using it frequently, you probably have it plugged in somewhere. I live in Arizona, by the way. hope this helps!

Try the attached program, if you are able to see the satellite signal...

I live San Diego, using the PC.Ultimate.V16 rom with Tomtom7. I have my GPS configuration with other NMEA GPS, 57600 baud rate, COM4 and I get a connection in 15 seconds.

I think this question was just asked in another thread.... use GPSTest and then when it acquires a signal open up TTN6 or 7 annoying I know but it works for quite a few people

Excellent
Nice the GPStest, now i try to make functionally mi Googlemaps...
Tks

Here is my advice... I get that same problem sometime in my TomTom (I used to use 6.. but now using TomTom 7)... I installed that GPS Toggle that is a start menu item... It is nice.. it says GPS OFF or GPS ON.. When you turn it on, it says "SEEK : XX" XX beign the number of sats it is searching for... Then when it gets a lock it says "LOCK : XX" and also shows how many "bars" you have.... Sometimes I use it to just test out the GPS function w/o loading TomTom... But I have also found if I turn the GPS ON with it before loading TomTom it locks on faster (a lot faster)... I think it sort of jump starts the GPS chip to lock on faster... It is the same software you have to use if you have a HTC Mogul and want to use TomTom (For some reason TomTom doesn't see the GPS chip in that phone w/o this little program or something simmilar)...
I attached the one I use as a cab.. Just copy it over to your storage card... use file explorer and run the cab file... Then after it is installed do a soft reset... You may have to go into the Today screen options in settings and put a check infront of it to see it on the screen... Hope this helps
rxdrift7 said:
I dont know about others, but I've been having problems about my TTN6 acquiring gps signal. What I would have to do is to open my GoogleMap and scan my location there and then open my TTN6. Even the GoogleMap is having a hard time. I have my setting on Com4 and 4600.
I also use QuickGPS and always updated. Not really sure if it is because of cold start but i doubt it. There are times that I'd be using my gps already and I'd have to soft reset my phone(due to alignment issues) and when it comes back on, I would take awhile for it to find a signal(even though i'm on the same spot when I soft reset the phone).
Any help if appreciated.
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AT&T Tilt GPS question...

I have the Tilt w/ WM6.0 w/ stock ROM. I'm running Google Maps and Live search and, though slow to aquire GPS satellites, GPS work well. My question is: Is there any way to manually turn GPS on or off like WIFI or Bluetooth? Secondary question: Other than QuickGPS, is there any way to shorten the length of time it takes to aquire a link to GPS satellites?
John

http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=6002230&postcount=116

Well, the GPS only turns on when a program is accessing it. So you don't have to worry about turning it on and off. If you use google or live search, there is a menu item to start tracking with the gps, and another to stop. When you start, it turns on, when you stop, it turns off.
As far as speek to acquire, make sure you have quickgps running and updating onces a week. I've noticed weather and trees/buildings also makes a difference. if it is really cloudy/rainy or you are under tree cover, it takes a lot longer to get a lock on your position.
you could also try upgrading to the 6.1 rom. I had so many problems with 6.0 in many areas and like 6.1 much better. Of course, it means reinstalling everything.
MerlinOfLore said:
I have the Tilt w/ WM6.0 w/ stock ROM. I'm running Google Maps and Live search and, though slow to aquire GPS satellites, GPS work well. My question is: Is there any way to manually turn GPS on or off like WIFI or Bluetooth? Secondary question: Other than QuickGPS, is there any way to shorten the length of time it takes to aquire a link to GPS satellites?
John
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