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The video created by Kaiser is terrible!
Look into the example in this thread. Those people were just walking, normally.
And the video result is really bad, blurry on movement.
Did I do something wrong?
maybe there is a configuration section where you can set it to 25/30 frames per second¿...
No, there is no configuration like that.
I can only choose "video mode" and resolution.
No frame per second setting.
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maybe there is a configuration section where you can set it to 25/30 frames per second¿...
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With what kind of device are you comparing it to?
Another cameraphone that performs better, or a real video camera?
I have zero expectations from any cameraphone. They all have abysmal quality, it's a fundamental reality with the compromises in optics and sensor size needed to keep the phone portable.
I think you do something wrong...
Show in THIS Thread and you will see what a Video can look like. The Video there are very ok to good in my opinion..
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Entropy512, I dont compare with other device and dont expect a very good quality. But I compared with the one created in this thread :
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=328201
Like mentioned by SKSAustin.
As far as configuration, if you look into the camera, there is nothing special there, no fancy or detailed configuration.
You can only select resolution, which in this case I use 320x240.
So, I still cant figure out why the video was so bad.
It could be, because of the "indoor" situation, not enough light? Then the autofocus was not fast enough.
I have not tried outdoor btw (will do today).
But still, if that is the case, then it sucks!
something is wrong you have 3fps in that video
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Entropy512, I dont compare with other device and dont expect a very good quality. But I compared with the one created in this thread :
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=328201
Like mentioned by SKSAustin.
As far as configuration, if you look into the camera, there is nothing special there, no fancy or detailed configuration.
You can only select resolution, which in this case I use 320x240.
So, I still cant figure out why the video was so bad.
It could be, because of the "indoor" situation, not enough light? Then the autofocus was not fast enough.
I have not tried outdoor btw (will do today).
But still, if that is the case, then it sucks!
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Doesnt resolution = quality?
I tried a quick video last night (poor indoor lighting conditions) and i got exactly the same result - so hopefully it's merely because of the poor lighting.
I'll make some other vids and post them when i can!
This is very bad... but at the same time very funny to watch. They move like Akuma in Street Fighters...
This is very bad, but at the same time very funny to watch. They move like Akuma in Street Fighters...
Great, i can't open MP4s anymore! Quicktime comes up with:
-Error -2401: an invalid sample description was found in the movie.
lame!
Ok, I can confirm that this kind of bad video is caused by the indoor situation.
This morning, I created outdoor video something like in the other thread and it is nice.
See in the attachment.
Glad it was not a problem with hardware!
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This is very bad, but at the same time very funny to watch. They move like Akuma in Street Fighters...
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Yeah...that's great...
So, anyone with a little photographic background/experience could have thought up the explanation for your 3fps problem....: in low light the frame rate goes down like the shutterspeed on a regular photocamera would.
Sounds perfectly normal/plausible to me
Ihave the device and I would give the following scores to the camera:
Close up Mode : 9/10
Pictures :8/10
video : 8/10
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Ihave the device and I would give the following scores to the camera:
Close up Mode : 9/10
Pictures :8/10
video : 8/10
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Based on what?
I am visiting this forum looking for info on the TyTNII, as a replacement for my Nokia N95. I like the form factor of the TyTNII a lot, but things like the camera is really, really bad, when you are used to the N95.
The frame rate of the N95 is 30 fps in full vga resolution, meaning 4x the res of the TyTNII, and it doesn't drop to 3 fps just because of lower light levels. Besides, the still photos of the N95 is years ahead of the TyTNII, so if the latter one scores 8-9/10, I guess the N95 scores 20/10...
This is actually very sad for me, because I have been looking forward to the TyTNII since the first info was leaked, but now I am not so sure I want one after all, for this and a few other reasons. Hopefully a new ROM will fix some of these issues.
If you are going to tell me 'it's just a phone', then obviously you haven't tried the N95. It really goes a long way to replace your normal digicam. Nice to only have to carry a single device, and obviously the future.
you may want to check to make sure you do not have multiple other programs running when you go into video mode (memory crunch may slow performance)
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Based on what?
I am visiting this forum looking for info on the TyTNII, as a replacement for my Nokia N95. I like the form factor of the TyTNII a lot, but things like the camera is really, really bad, when you are used to the N95.
The frame rate of the N95 is 30 fps in full vga resolution, meaning 4x the res of the TyTNII, and it doesn't drop to 3 fps just because of lower light levels. Besides, the still photos of the N95 is years ahead of the TyTNII, so if the latter one scores 8-9/10, I guess the N95 scores 20/10...
This is actually very sad for me, because I have been looking forward to the TyTNII since the first info was leaked, but now I am not so sure I want one after all, for this and a few other reasons. Hopefully a new ROM will fix some of these issues.
If you are going to tell me 'it's just a phone', then obviously you haven't tried the N95. It really goes a long way to replace your normal digicam. Nice to only have to carry a single device, and obviously the future.
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I think the N95 took great pics too, but do you think it's fair to compare the two? I think it's more fair to compare the E90 to the Tytn 2 as I think these two devices have more relations, than a multimedia device like the N95
Certainly, TyTn II is not for you
I have not and will not try N95, even though the camera and video might be better (obviously, because N95 is 5 MP), because simply Symbian is not my preferred Mobile OS.
Oh btw, I cant live without built-in qwerty keyboard ... that's all.
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Based on what?
I am visiting this forum looking for info on the TyTNII, as a replacement for my Nokia N95. I like the form factor of the TyTNII a lot, but things like the camera is really, really bad, when you are used to the N95.
The frame rate of the N95 is 30 fps in full vga resolution, meaning 4x the res of the TyTNII, and it doesn't drop to 3 fps just because of lower light levels. Besides, the still photos of the N95 is years ahead of the TyTNII, so if the latter one scores 8-9/10, I guess the N95 scores 20/10...
This is actually very sad for me, because I have been looking forward to the TyTNII since the first info was leaked, but now I am not so sure I want one after all, for this and a few other reasons. Hopefully a new ROM will fix some of these issues.
If you are going to tell me 'it's just a phone', then obviously you haven't tried the N95. It really goes a long way to replace your normal digicam. Nice to only have to carry a single device, and obviously the future.
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1. The N95 really isn't a multimedia device. It's an advanced smartphone with extremely powerful hardware, but that label doesn't sell It does just about everything the TyTN II does, only lacking the qwerty and touch screen. Screen size is about the same and the resolution is identical. I prefer the Microsoft OS over S60, but that is my personal preference and I must admit that S60 have some very strong points over WM (and vice versa, of course).
2. I don't need the qwerty, but that doesn't mean that TyTN II isn't for me. Previously I have owned the Magician + a few MS smartphones and latest the Mio A701, so WM is by no means new to me. A few months back I got the feeling that it was time to replace the A701 and with TyTN II nowhere in sight, really I could see no WM device being a serious competition to the N95. So I got the Nokia, my first mobile of that brand for about 5 years
So, with the TyTN II now in the hands of normal users, I decided to have a look at this site for info and unfortunately it looks like even TyTN II can't compete evenly with the N95 on all points. All is not lost, though, if the compression algorithm is updated to something less destructive. I do believe the cam hardware of TyTN II is better than the current software, which can only be a positive thing. So HTC, bring on the first firmware update, please
I have read alot of the threads involving the performance of the camera (in video mode and when operating the camera in still mode before taking a still image) and blaming this on the tytn2's lack of hardware video rendering. I have made some observations as a photographer.
My opinion is that the performance is due more to the exposure/sensitivity of the CCD than to the graphical rendering of the tytn2.
For example - in low light, the camera really suffers from low frames per second. Could this be due to the lack of sensitivity of the CCD i.e. the need to expose each frame longer per second to render the scene. The Tytns2's graphical engine can only display an image once it has received one from the camera, therefore providing slow frame per second updates.
Point the camera outdoors or directly at an indoor light and the fps of the camera shoots up to over 20 fps. The camera needs to expose the scene less , i.e. the shutter speed is quicker. The camera imagery is feeding more frames to the graphic hardware to render and therefore the fps goes up.
I would love the Tytn2 to render dark indoor scenes in a more fluid way but I feel this is a short fall of the camera hardware and not the graphic engine that is waiting for frames of imagery from it.
My orignial tytn does reproduce better results indoors and has a faster display update when framing stills or using moving video - BUT - the tytn only has a 2mp CCD.
Clearly there is a problem with lack of suitable graphic drivers from HTC but has the benefit from having a 3mp camera in the Tytn2 meant a trade off in camera video indoor performance??
Just my take!
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Stu
While what you say might make some sense I think it's a very steep performance drop. Too steep to just be explained by exposure issues?
I haven't really experienced a similair issue with any other camera. If you know of other products with similar problems is the performance drop really that bad?
I suppose wishing for an option that disables auto-brightness is going to get me no-where
I have to agree on this one; the fact that the camera performs nearly perfectly in good lighting does seem a little odd - I suppose performance issues could be introduced by the CPU rather than the GPU having to increase the brightness of each frame to display on the preview screen though?
undac said:
While what you say might make some sense I think it's a very steep performance drop. Too steep to just be explained by exposure issues?
I haven't really experienced a similair issue with any other camera. If you know of other products with similar problems is the performance drop really that bad?
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Yes I agree, which leads me believe it is the camera in the Tytn2 which is the problem. In good light the camera responds well - or should I say the graphics engine is able to do its job rendering the scene without any lag as it isn't waiting for the camera to send it data. The graphics engine either works or it doesn't. It is having to render a 320x240 image regardless of whether the camera is in low or good light.
If it can do this well in good light then, given a decent camera app, it should have no problem in low light. I am running the new V5 camera app from HTC btw.
Could I just say that I have signed the petition, as I believe there are other issues with the D3D drivers which have other implication on other apps.
Rgds
Stu
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My opinion is that the performance is due more to the exposure/sensitivity of the CCD than to the graphical rendering of the tytn2.
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Also as an amateur-photographer, I totally agree with Stu on this. I like how you explained it!
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eddythepeddy said:
Also as an amateur-photographer, I totally agree with Stu on this. I like how you explained it!
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cheers Eddy
smads said:
My opinion is that the performance is due more to the exposure/sensitivity of the CCD than to the graphical rendering of the tytn2.
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CCD! Thats it! I was talking about this in another post and had CMOS stuck in my mind, not CCD! Comparing results from a proper camera set to 3MP and the Kaiser the results vary a lot, especially in poorer lighting conditions, or scenes with a lot of colour. I have also noticed image quality differs between my 3yr old Nikon D70 DSLR (6MP) and brand new Casio Exilm compact (7.2MP) (the Nikon is better) and I'm sure this has to do with the quality of the Nikon hardware compared to the Casio. With this knowledge, I don't think any driver improvements are going to increase the performance / quality of the Kaiser camera.
Then why does Qualcomm's site say the camera can record 640x480 but that is not a setting on the Kaiser? Should this be easy to change?
What you say does makes sense, haven't really thought of that.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f9b1L7m7G0Y
This clip was shot on a Touch Dual (also 2mp CCD) in normal indoor lightning, is the fps anything like the Tytn?
I dont know what fps I was getting but when the device is turned away from a close bright source of light the fps drops noticeably.
Anyway, I can't say I'm pleased with the camera on my device. Nor overall video performance for that matter.
Honestly, whats the point of having the settings where you can switch different lightings when that dayum camera stays in night mode, no matter what setting you choose?
What do you mean by different lightings? If you mean the part where you can change the white balance for sunlight, light bulbs etc, then thats to stop the colour cast you would get otherwise. Sunlight would be normal, a incandescent bulb would be very orange, flourescent green (i think). If you mean something else, please clarify.
Any camera is dependent on how much light actually striikes the recording element... film or digital doesn't matter.
Also as a photog, one thing I've learn these years past is the more light you can get to strike whatever it is actually recording the image, the better the image clarity and true to life the color will be. So, a larger lens, or a lens with better glass (clarity) that lets in more light will almost always yield the better picture, all other settings and environmental variables being the same.
This likely applies to the SLR comparison above. I don't think this necessarily applies to the 8925 to 8525 comparison, as both seem equally tiny. However, my 8925 isn't yet a week old, and I've already got a scratch across the "lens" built into the battery cover. Also, this phone shoots through not one, but two pieces of plastic over the actual lens (or the outermost piece of glass that comprises said lens). I don't see how that can be good at all.
FWIW, sure the pictures are physically bigger (space on disc), but I agree with the consensus, the result isn't as good as the previous model except in bright (such as day) light.
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What do you mean by different lightings? If you mean the part where you can change the white balance for sunlight, light bulbs etc, then thats to stop the colour cast you would get otherwise. Sunlight would be normal, a incandescent bulb would be very orange, flourescent green (i think). If you mean something else, please clarify.
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yes, that's what I meant, thanks, I couldn't figure out the name of those settings for the life of me!
Back to the CCD vs. driver issue. I don't believe this is a CCD issue. Doesn't the HTC Advantage use the same CCD? 3mp? If so does that camera suffer the same HORRIBLE low light performance? If not which I don't think it does it's not the CCD but the rendering. Also the Advantage uses a different chipset which would really show it's not the CCD but point directly at the chipset/lack of driver.
Also my HTC Touch performs WAY better in low light than my Kaiser. Why would HTC purchase a "newer" CCD that performs worse than their previous CCD? Why I ask?!
Does anyone else feel like the people running these smartphone manufacturing businesses do not have their finger on the pulse of the community? And I'm not talking about low expectation every day average Joe who's only phone they ever had was a Motorola Razr and could care less as long as they can check their email and get text messages... I'm talking about XDA community type people. People who want a PC in their pocket(with a phone built in). Not just a phone in their pocket that checks email...
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Also my HTC Touch performs WAY better in low light than my Kaiser. Why would HTC purchase a "newer" CCD that performs worse than their previous CCD? Why I ask?!
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Because they are cøcks.
But think of it this way:
Why would HTC purchase a "newer" Graphics chip that performs worse than their previous Graphics chip?
it's all about the money guys!
just think.. they put a ****ty one that is cheaper in lots of Kaiser..
People think.. oh Kaiser.. it's the best PDA around..
It must have all the best..
and then it turns out that they can do this things..
they can make a very large profit (cause of the millions PDA's sold arround the world).. changing just a few pieces..
well it's just a theory!
comment i'm insane
well looks like i'm crazy after all
cheers.
I've currently got a rooted HTC sensation which I'm due to upgrade. My choice is between the HTC one and the galaxy s4, but my choice seems to come down to the camera quality. Is the one camera really as bad as the reviews suggest?
I havent got any examples that I can post but the quality seems much crisper that my previous device (Sensation)
Low light shots seem ok and auto-focus seems to work much quicker. Zoe is also a nice feature!
link to the review?
Why create a new thread? There's at least 3 threads talking about the camera....... :banghead:
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Check out THIS thread and make your own mind up, i personally don't have any problem with the camera quality.
StuartTheFish said:
I've currently got a rooted HTC sensation which I'm due to upgrade. My choice is between the HTC one and the galaxy s4, but my choice seems to come down to the camera quality. Is the one camera really as bad as the reviews suggest?
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Are you just being lazy or just being a troll by opening a thread with a negative impact title? Hard to tell...Anyway, if really interested you could have looked at least at one photo thread which contains dozens of camera reviews.
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Are you just being lazy or just being a troll by opening a thread with a negative impact title? Hard to tell...Anyway, if really interested you could have looked at least at one photo thread which contains dozens of camera reviews.
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No need to be like that, that thread has loads of pictures from all the one series. Not specifically the new one. And the various reviews I've read seem to conflict, some saying it's okay, others stating it's useless. Hence me asking for anyone's first hand experience with the phone now it's been released.
Start at the last page and work backwards, plenty of user pictures from the One.
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No need to be like that, that thread has loads of pictures from all the one series. Not specifically the new one. And the various reviews I've read seem to conflict, some saying it's okay, others stating it's useless. Hence me asking for anyone's first hand experience with the phone now it's been released.
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Well, for serious photography I hang a DSLR around my neck and carry a couple of extra lenses in the backpack. For snapping a quick shot whilst I'm just pottering about or hanging with the guys the camera is far more than adequate.
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No need to be like that, that thread has loads of pictures from all the one series. Not specifically the new one. And the various reviews I've read seem to conflict, some saying it's okay, others stating it's useless. Hence me asking for anyone's first hand experience with the phone now it's been released.
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Sorry man but today we have already seen a topic closed for plane trolling and in this context your thread title seemed a little out of line especially since there are already lots of user pictures and opinions available, i needn't speak about dozens of reviews. Didn't mean to be rude but next time better check first what info is available and maybe select a more appropriate title.
In my opinion i was expecting the photos taken to be a bit better but i am also quite optimistic about the fact that software updates might turn it into an excellent smartphone camera.
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Sorry man but today we have already seen a topic closed for plane trolling and in this context your thread title seemed a little out of line especially since there are already lots of user pictures and opinions available, i needn't speak about dozens of reviews. Didn't mean to be rude but next time better check first what info is available and maybe select a more appropriate title.
In my opinion i was expecting the photos taken to be a bit better but i am also quite optimistic about the fact that software updates might turn it into an excellent smartphone camera.
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It's okay, not trying to bash the phone, just trying to find out which phone to upgrade to!
I saw that thread you're talking about and even commented a little, but unfortunately there were a couple of Samsung fanboys who turned it into a company vs company thread instead of just having unbiased comparisons between phones.
I don't have a decent camera, nor do I have the option to carry one around all the time since I'm normally dragging a couple of infants around with me, I'm not really an avid photographer either. I just want it to be at least as good as the one on my sensation since I do use it fairly regularly, but can't make my mind up on handset! I think I may have to just go into a phone shop and compare for myself.
Like I keep saying
The HTC One camera is an extremely well equipped camera, OIS, super fast shutter, low light ability, f2.0, wide angle lens, powerful macro ability, best HDR on phones, all combined gives a very powerful camera
However as usual with HTC it will still require manual efforts from ur side those camera settings are there to be used
Compared to your sensation its light years ahead of it, compared to the One X you loose something and gain something in return
Things to keep in mind always reduce sharpness in HTC cameras and for the One in specific auto enhance or contrast increase might be needed as well due to the extra light in its day light photos
But it's not match to the 13MP detail from the sgs4 camera purely in terms of resolution
I came from DHD, wife still has Sensation. We're in full agreement that the One takes much better pictures.
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I am in similar position. For me which phone I choose next will be down to camera. One thing I missed after iphone was the way you cam trim videos before sending to get correct file size. As far as I am aware only htc on android can do this - forward to 1145 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=23nQyOpixiU&feature=youtube_gdata_player.
I will no doubt get the one but camera is a worry as htc are not really promoting it in any adverts I have seen so far in uk. More blink and boom ?? Waiting for 64gb too but if we ever get it who knows ???
The camera thread is great but I am now info overloaded so really have to go test one in more depth.
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Do you use digital zoom or lot, or blow up pics after you make them? IMO, this is the weak point of the camera. It's lens is 28mm (35mm film equivalent) and you don't have the latitude to zoom that you would with more MP. Personally, I am more a telephoto guy than wide angle so it bugs me, but everyone is different.
(I decided to punt and keep my S3 for now. Camera plus questions on headphone audio. Mixed feeling though, as I really like the low light attributes and boomsound speakers.)
Just wait until release and judge for yourself and decide if it's really an amazing camera.
I have never, in too many years to mention, used a digital zoom. Never saw the point in stretching one sensor pixel to fill 4, 9, 16 or more final image pixels.
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Yeah, digital zoom is terrible regardless of the camera used. I do however sometimes zoom in on my photos, which I assume won't be much good with the one.
Afraid that zooming after the event won't get you anywhere with the One. Granted, although my phone's have progressed from being a phone/txt device that could play snake when I was bored all the way to a miniature computer that can make calls as well I've never viewed them as a camera replacement. Hell, you can get a little 8Mp snapper that's smaller then current headline phones for a fraction of the cost AND they've got optical zoom with a lense that retreats into the body of the camera when you put it back in your pocket.
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HTC One vs Samsung S3 - audio recording comparison
Alot of the reviews says, nexus 6 camera experience has been a "hit or miss" from taking a good pic even with HDR on. Would it help to install a new camera app and do some tweakings over it, or better yet use an xposed module (if any) to fix the issue?
I'm a photographer. Here's the thing.
Camera reviews on cell phones are reviewed by gadget freaks, not photographers. They're interested in specs, they think megapixels are important, they don't even mention the important stuff.
Android L is the first OS to have a decent camera api. This will allow the nexus camera - which is only inherently different from the note 4 camera in terms of software - to vastly outperform anything on the market given a good camera app.
This mythical camera app should take advantage of a few things - full manual control. Exposure compensation and AE/AF lock. Auto bracketing. Proper metering, with selections for spot through to matrix. FPS control. Video control with framerate and resolution options, and the ability to manually control or lock exposure and focus. And finally, take advantage of L's .dng output, so we can work on this in lightroom after we're done. I don't trust my $2000 camera to spit out a nice jpg processed the way I want it, I shoot raw, I sure as hell don't trust a phone.
The nexus 6 looks to have some nice hardware. Let the software take advantage of it and you'll be happy.
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I'm a photographer. Here's the thing.
Camera reviews on cell phones are reviewed by gadget freaks, not photographers. They're interested in specs, they think megapixels are important, they don't even mention the important stuff.
Android L is the first OS to have a decent camera api. This will allow the nexus camera - which is only inherently different from the note 4 camera in terms of software - to vastly outperform anything on the market given a good camera app.
This mythical camera app should take advantage of a few things - full manual control. Exposure compensation and AE/AF lock. Auto bracketing. Proper metering, with selections for spot through to matrix. FPS control. Video control with framerate and resolution options, and the ability to manually control or lock exposure and focus. And finally, take advantage of L's .dng output, so we can work on this in lightroom after we're done. I don't trust my $2000 camera to spit out a nice jpg processed the way I want it, I shoot raw, I sure as hell don't trust a phone.
The nexus 6 looks to have some nice hardware. Let the software take advantage of it and you'll be happy.
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Good post. My girlfriend is a photographer but her biggest complaints were:
- The lens should've been bigger (1.5/3 at least - according to her the sheer size of this phone would have allowed for a much bigger lens, even 1.2/3).
- The dual LED flashes would likely overexpose the images due to their placement on the back of the phone. Sure, aesthetically it can look good (depending on your preference) but logically it will risk adding too much exposure to photos. The Note 4, 6+, top Nokia phones with large lenses all have the flashes further away from the lens for example (for good reason).
- The type of flash (LED) wont be as good an xenon flash (or dual). According to her the phone body is definitely thick enough to house the bigger flash; this would reduce noise in the images and provide better lighting/exposure in photos.
She also mentioned that even with a 10/10 camera app which does absolutely everything you want, the photo quality will not be much better (maybe the same as or potentially still worse) compared with the Note 4 or even iPhone 6+. Yes the hardware might be similar but the placement of the flash compared with the Note 4 will affect the way the camera captures photos with flash enabled. As, even though TW in Samsung has major issues it does have very heavily optimised camera software which will always improve - better than every camera app that I personally know of.
Front facing camera however will not complete with the Note 4. From demo's , despite being higher MP than the iPhone 6+, the results are worse. I do not know why, it could be down to the quality of the lens in the front but the Nexus 6 FF camera quality isn't much better than the Nexus 5 (it looks the same to me).
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Good post. My girlfriend is a photographer but her biggest complaints were:
- The lens should've been bigger (1.5/3 at least - according to her the sheer size of this phone would have allowed for a much bigger lens, even 1.2/3).
- The dual LED flashes would likely overexpose the images due to their placement on the back of the phone. Sure, aesthetically it can look good (depending on your preference) but logically it will risk adding too much exposure to photos. The Note 4, 6+, top Nokia phones with large lenses all have the flashes further away from the lens for example (for good reason).
- The type of flash (LED) wont be as good an xenon flash (or dual). According to her the phone body is definitely thick enough to house the bigger flash; this would reduce noise in the images and provide better lighting/exposure in photos.
She also mentioned that even with a 10/10 camera app which does absolutely everything you want, the photo quality will not be much better (maybe the same as or potentially still worse) compared with the Note 4 or even iPhone 6+. Yes the hardware might be similar but the placement of the flash compared with the Note 4 will affect the way the camera captures photos with flash enabled. As, even though TW in Samsung has major issues it does have very heavily optimised camera software which will always improve - better than every camera app that I personally know of.
Front facing camera however will not complete with the Note 4. From demo's , despite being higher MP than the iPhone 6+, the results are worse. I do not know why, it could be down to the quality of the lens in the front but the Nexus 6 FF camera quality isn't much better than the Nexus 5 (it looks the same to me).
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A lens is proportionate to the sensor. On top of that? It's a fixed lens. They can make those extremely small when we're talking about phone sensors. There is also no mechanical shutter, meaning the lens can be even more compact. This is why mirrorless cameras have small lenses. This of course goes for cell phone lenses in general, but the reason is there's really no need to put a huge lens on a phone.
The dual LED flashes won't overexpose the image, don't worry. In the studio we use a ring flash - same concept - there are some versions that operate as a regular flash, and there's some versions that operate constant on. You can shoot with either. Studio LED lighting is even becoming a thing now, it's cool because you can control the color temp directly and change the brightness.. it's also always on so WYSIWYG. Either way your flash will operate TTL and will not overexpose Xenon - what a hotshoe flash uses - will just use a lot of energy and drain your batteries. LED is very efficient.
The ring flash appears to be too small to have the "ring flash effect", which is uniform lighting around a subject that is popular in fashion and hides blemishes.. I mean it's like the size of a finger. The source of the flash is too small to produce any meaningful difference between the "ring" flash and the regular samsung/iphone flashes. It's going to look about the same. If you see a difference, it's software.
I am just excited about the RAW support in 5.0. I am okay with an f/2.0 aperture on a device in my pocket. If I needed something better, my DSLR has a 50mm f/1.5 which is only a camera bag away
The problem I'm having with my Nexus 6 is lag. That is, I went into my 9 month old's room, and turned on the light. So, okay incandescent lighting, not too bright, but I wouldn't call it 'low-light', either. My little son is standing up in his crib bouncing around, and every now and again turning and smiling at me. I go for the shot with my nice Nexus 6....and in the FOUR SECONDS it takes for the camera to actually take the picture, he's looked away again. I tried several times. Each time, the camera did NOTHING for a few seconds and then took the shot when the window of opportunity was gone. WHAT THE HECK?!?!?! It didn't even look like it was doing any autofocus hunting.
THIS is very depressing. Anyone know of any camera apps that will actually, I don't know, take the picture when I actually ask it to?
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I'm waiting for devs to work their magic on the camera. It has a great sensor (Sony IMX214) so the potential is there. I really wish they could use the G3's software because its great. Is there a way to make the G3's software work on the Nexus for the camera? It processes images really well and is very fast.
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The problem I'm having with my Nexus 6 is lag. That is, I went into my 9 month old's room, and turned on the light. So, okay incandescent lighting, not too bright, but I wouldn't call it 'low-light', either. My little son is standing up in his crib bouncing around, and every now and again turning and smiling at me. I go for the shot with my nice Nexus 6....and in the FOUR SECONDS it takes for the camera to actually take the picture, he's looked away again. I tried several times. Each time, the camera did NOTHING for a few seconds and then took the shot when the window of opportunity was gone. WHAT THE HECK?!?!?! It didn't even look like it was doing any autofocus hunting.
THIS is very depressing. Anyone know of any camera apps that will actually, I don't know, take the picture when I actually ask it to?
Randy
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Do you have HDR+ enabled? If so that's why your focus takes so long. It's taking 3 pictures in a row and is great for still images. I find the camera with HDR+ off plenty fast.
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On another note is raw format already being supported on the 6 or is it coming in an update. I'm no photographer but I'm extremely pleased how well the camera functions. I've only had nexus devices. The last phone I had with a decent camera was the Nokia n 5
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Do you have HDR+ enabled? If so that's why your focus takes so long. It's taking 3 pictures in a row and is great for still images. I find the camera with HDR+ off plenty fast.
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On another note is raw format already being supported on the 6 or is it coming in an update. I'm no photographer but I'm extremely pleased how well the camera functions. I've only had nexus devices. The last phone I had with a decent camera was the Nokia n 5
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No, HDR+ was NOT on, nor was the flash. I just wanted it to snap the stupid picture with as little muss n fuss as possible
I extracted the lib files and camera apk/odex from my g3 is there anything else I would need to make it work? I can get the framework from my system files if needed. I want to see if this will help the camera at all considering it had a lot of potential.
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I extracted the lib files and camera apk/odex from my g3 is there anything else I would need to make it work? I can get the framework from my system files if needed. I want to see if this will help the camera at all considering it had a lot of potential.
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Let us know how it goes
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No, HDR+ was NOT on, nor was the flash. I just wanted it to snap the stupid picture with as little muss n fuss as possible
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Then something is broken on your phone. Completely stock N6, not even root let alone disabling encryption, without HDR+ or Flash... the phone takes pictures within half a second every time.
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It's still FC's even after I moved the camera.apk and camera.odex into the system/app and I wrote over the Nexus's libs with the G3's. I'm not sure why its FC's maybe I can install the framework.apk from my G3 and see if that works.
Try some low light shots....
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I'm a photographer. Here's the thing.
Camera reviews on cell phones are reviewed by gadget freaks, not photographers. They're interested in specs, they think megapixels are important, they don't even mention the important stuff.
Android L is the first OS to have a decent camera api. This will allow the nexus camera - which is only inherently different from the note 4 camera in terms of software - to vastly outperform anything on the market given a good camera app.
This mythical camera app should take advantage of a few things - full manual control. Exposure compensation and AE/AF lock. Auto bracketing. Proper metering, with selections for spot through to matrix. FPS control. Video control with framerate and resolution options, and the ability to manually control or lock exposure and focus. And finally, take advantage of L's .dng output, so we can work on this in lightroom after we're done. I don't trust my $2000 camera to spit out a nice jpg processed the way I want it, I shoot raw, I sure as hell don't trust a phone.
The nexus 6 looks to have some nice hardware. Let the software take advantage of it and you'll be happy.
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Any chance for Slo Mo video (at least 120fps) with this "mythical camera app"?
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I found this thread after searching for a better camera for my n6. Realized after reading your post that it is the low light shots that suffer from severe shutter lag. Pics in good light are perfect. Ugh. My original moto x Dev. Took awesome pics compared to this low light garbage
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I found this thread after searching for a better camera for my n6. Realized after reading your post that it is the low light shots that suffer from severe shutter lag. Pics in good light are perfect. Ugh. My original moto x Dev. Took awesome pics compared to this low light garbage
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The pics are great when you are in a very well lit place. The moment you start to lose even a little light (semi lit), the camera really struggles. I'm very disappointed to start, but I'm going to stay patient and wait for Google to fix this.
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I'm waiting for devs to work their magic on the camera. It has a great sensor (Sony IMX214) so the potential is there. I really wish they could use the G3's software because its great. Is there a way to make the G3's software work on the Nexus for the camera? It processes images really well and is very fast.
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The G3 is the best camera on a phone because of the hardware.. not sure if the software has much to do with it because I've switched camera apps on that phone many times and the pics still come out amazing
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The G3 is the best camera on a phone because of the hardware.. not sure if the software has much to do with it because I've switched camera apps on that phone many times and the pics still come out amazing
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The G3 uses the IMX135 sensor while the Nexus uses the IMX214 which is a better sensor. So in theory the Nexus 6 is capable of better photos if the software can back it up. The G3 still uses the lib's and framework from LG no matter what camera app you are using from what I understand.
Anyone know anything about the Slo Mo capabilities? Im wanting to buy the N6 but the Slo Mo feature is really important to me. Hopefully it is possible with the sensor which everyone seems to regard as a pretty high quality sensor.
Hi guys, I'm an owner of an iPhone 7 (second hand, but perfect) and a few months ago I had a Xperia X Compact (that I loved). I use both systems (iOS and Android) but I was thinking to come back to the little green robot. Do you think I'll lose so much in terms of video and pictures ? For the others specs I think it's a great phone, but I still have some doubts for the camera performances...
I hope in your point of view
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Do you think I'll lose so much in terms of video and pictures ?
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The video camera is top notch and no sign of any distortion, aparently enabling steady shotseems to correct the image.
I think the problems with the stills camera are overblown, I've been taking lots of pictures since I received the phone and it's hardly noticable.
Given that it's an algorithum that fixes it, I am sure it's only a matter of time before Sony release a fix.
There are so many things that the phone does right. This is such a step forward fromm the X compact.
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The video camera is top notch and no sign of any distortion, aparently enabling steady shotseems to correct the image.
I think the problems with the stills camera are overblown, I've been taking lots of pictures since I received the phone and it's hardly noticable.
Given that it's an algorithum that fixes it, I am sure it's only a matter of time before Sony release a fix.
There are so many things that the phone does right. This is such a step forward fromm the X compact.
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Thank you so much for your answer Didgesteve, I really appreciated that! One more question: what about the video quality in general? is it good? Especially for the Full HD (30 or 60 fps, I don't use 4k so much)...
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Thank you so much for your answer Didgesteve, I really appreciated that! One more question: what about the video quality in general? is it good? Especially for the Full HD (30 or 60 fps, I don't use 4k so much)...
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Video quality is very good, better than the photo quality. The main ACTUAL problem with the camera is no OIS, so pictures can come out soft, especially in low light.
This may not compare well to your Iphone7 in many ways, but Android is a different animal, altogether. camera is not on par with Iphone7, but unless you are one of these camera snobs it isn't going to bother you much. Also, Android O has some bugs to be worked out, but nothing serious.
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Video quality is very good, better than the photo quality. The main ACTUAL problem with the camera is no OIS, so pictures can come out soft, especially in low light.
This may not compare well to your Iphone7 in many ways, but Android is a different animal, altogether. camera is not on par with Iphone7, but unless you are one of these camera snobs it isn't going to bother you much. Also, Android O has some bugs to be worked out, but nothing serious.
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I see...no, I'm not so snob about it , I loved X Compact camera so much, and I found it much fun and interesting than the iPhone (in terms of software functions and possibilities), It's just curiosity because I read a lot of gripes about distortions, bad colours, and so on... I'm seriously thinking to give it a chance
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I see...no, I'm not so snob about it , I loved X Compact camera so much, and I found it much fun and interesting than the iPhone (in terms of software functions and possibilities), It's just curiosity because I read a lot of gripes about distortions, bad colours, and so on... I'm seriously thinking to give it a chance
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colors do come out a bit red-ish in low light sometimes. you won't really notice the distortion unless taking a picture of a brick wall, checkerboard or something of the like.
if you liked the X compact that much, you will likely appreciate the XZ1 compact to a great degree. the camera is (arguably) the worst feature on the phone, and i still think it's a great camera. keeping in mind that it's not an s8 or iphone8, you'll have very little issues with XZ1C.
I bought a XZ1C for these reasons, (It will arrive this week)
1. Form factor - this phone is quite a bit smaller than the iPhone 7, and the 7 is already considered small. It is a tad bit bigger than the iPhone 5 (which had the best in hand feeling to me)
2. Battery life - Champion. I need a phone that will lasts all day and i've read nothign but amazing things
3. Android 8.0 - No other device than the Pixel 2 series has this update yet. Thats cool.
4. Camera Capabilities - It can do so much, including the 3D AR thing. Pretty fun, even if it isnt the best!
5. Headphone Jack - There is one, albeit the quality and loudness not the best, but it exists.
6. Memory card slot - Self explanatory.
FWIW, Sony have revealed that they have made a camera feature to fix or minimize the distortion on stills.
Refer to https://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=74266872&postcount=60 that post to see. If the camera was your only hesitation for the xz1c, this should alleviate a lot of that.
You can refer to Amazon and sell it off Đánh giá iPhone 7: Sức hút đến từ đâu?