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Is it possible to add extra Ram to the Dream by way of soldering a new Chip in?
Anything is possible, but no one has made the attempt yet.
tricky buisness but its possible
in school we are soldering electronic components and i was wondering bout this also, but upgrade to what?? what is available out there for our phones
This is a very interesting topic for future development; however, I do not think the phone manufacturers are likely to oblige requests from the more hardcore users for power and memory upgrades. As all developers currently design for an exact type of device, allowing for those types of changes may diversify the market in a negative way.
The users have circumvented the 80mb system storage limit with "APPS2SD" and similar functionality, which I think is wonderful, but I await the person with the inclination to upgrade other types of hardware in a more "permanent" manner. I personally would love to have a faster machine, just so I'm not dealing with lag in heavier applications.
There is always the venue of creating a swap file, although I'm not certain what the performance cut is over a potential physical RAM upgrade. Would be worth researching.
Considerations..
When swapping chips..lots of things have to be taken into consideration..voltages of new ram..power consumption...also physical space limitations...Ill def follow this..
I think there even used to be companies a while ago that did this, for specific phones like the treo 650. What would you need the RAM upgrade for? Apps2SD is great..
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I think there even used to be companies a while ago that did this, for specific phones like the treo 650. What would you need the RAM upgrade for? Apps2SD is great..
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Rosie.... DUH!
RAM is faster than MicroSD, however I haven't benchmarked the speed of the internal memory myself. Apps2SD is just used as extra storage not memory... Unlike what compcache/linux swap would actually do.
There has been a few threads already about people thinking about adding extra RAM into their G1, however you would have to find a suitable supplier of said RAM chips (same specifications bar size) and then you could attempt it.
I'm stuck though on an 18 month contract and can quite happily see me upgrading the G1 for a SnapDragon CPU model.
So Im running JACxHEROSkiv1.6r2B and I have a 4gig class 6 sd card. I have the fat32 set up, ext3, and linux swap at 32.
I had a class 4 before, but hearing everyone rant and rave how fast hero runs with a class 6 I went out and bought one. However, hero still seems to be a little laggy and slow..... at least for me. I'll get the htc screen and the loading screen.. I even reverted back to superhero v2 and that was the fastest hero for me, no lag, no loading screens nothing.
But the newer hero's seem to be slow for some reason even with a class 6. Can anyone help, I absolutly love hero, just want it to be fast like how everyone says it is.
Thanks in advance...
hang your head in shame...
the speed of hero roms will vary depending on the phone itself, the way the phone is used, the settings on the phone, the way people use their phone, how they choose to set up their linux-swap size and what they set swappiness to, in short, different people get different results with hero roms, some find them fast, some find them tremendously slow, its most likely a mind over matter type deal... so finally we reach the point of all this.... stop with the why isn't my hero blazing fast threads and how do i make hero make hero faster threads. basically you have 2 options for optimizing your hero build, set it up exactly the way the first post of the thread tells you to, or you can pm the people with amazingly fast hero roms and ask them what they are doing...
wow i was a smart ass and still managed to give a half way decent answer
I did follow ALL directions, i've flashed tons of roms and experienced different things with different builds. Kind of wierd how superhero v2 seems to run faster then the new builds. Even with the echo at 60, some threads say set it to 10, etc. Followed all directions, and still have these results. When a thread says FAST, you kind of expect it. I mean gimme a break going from checking the market to your home screen you get a loading issue, c'mon. There has to be something to alter to fix it. I know im not the only person having slow issues with hero EVEN on a CLASS 6
there was a post i just read where some one set there linux-swap to 96mb and swappiness to 100 and said it ran really fast, that was the newest jacski hero rom version b i think. you could always try that, though whether or not it will suffer future slow downs remains to be seen. I haven't tried a hero rom recently (since 3.6.8.1 was released by cyanogen damn that was a while back) because of the slow downs i would get after a day or so i don't know much other than to try what others are saying works.
though with the way drizzy's new hero v1 is shaping up to look i might have to try it when he drops it. I remember trying jac's 1.4 hero, if you think the hero roms they have now have lag... but alas now i am reminiscing
I agree, his new hero rom is supposed to be the best to date, so we'll see, I just flashed over to cyans 4.0.4 since its fast. I also read about the 96mb and 100swap, but I want to see what happens in a few days with that.
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So Im running JACxHEROSkiv1.6r2B and I have a 4gig class 6 sd card. I have the fat32 set up, ext3, and linux swap at 32.
I had a class 4 before, but hearing everyone rant and rave how fast hero runs with a class 6 I went out and bought one. However, hero still seems to be a little laggy and slow..... at least for me. I'll get the htc screen and the loading screen.. I even reverted back to superhero v2 and that was the fastest hero for me, no lag, no loading screens nothing.
But the newer hero's seem to be slow for some reason even with a class 6. Can anyone help, I absolutly love hero, just want it to be fast like how everyone says it is.
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I had the same issue with my 32mb swap. I changed it to 96 and saw a HUGE increase in performance. No compcache. Just swap with 60 swappiness and I hardly ever see Loading or the HTC screen.
Here is a thread that discusses this issue:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=551643
It is among many, however almost everyone has their own opinion based on their own phone which is of course based on their own needs. The key is playing around with it and seeing what works best for you. Start with the swappiness and then try your swap partition size and see what works best for you.
Then there was a vague tweet from jac about a possible fix for bluetooth, and twisted zero is supposedly getting really close with the led's, also with the htc kernal that was made open.
It really wouldn't suprise to me to see in another month or so a hero rom that competes with stock cupcake, maybe i'm too optimistic though lol
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...maybe i'm too optimistic though lol
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I think so too.
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I think so too.
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well when you compare jac's 1.4 back when hero threads were getting thrashed left and right to what the hero rom's are now. there is a vast improvement. I remember when I couldn't use a hero rom for more than a few hours without having to go to a stable rom. now my friend has had a rom on his phone a few weeks and hasn't said anything to me about it running horribly so maybe one day...
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well when you compare jac's 1.4 back when hero threads were getting thrashed left and right to what the hero rom's are now. there is a vast improvement. I remember when I couldn't use a hero rom for more than a few hours without having to go to a stable rom. now my friend has had a rom on his phone a few weeks and hasn't said anything to me about it running horribly so maybe one day...
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I agree that the Hero roms are stable enough for daily use provided that you make certain adjustments, but in regards to the LED and bluetooth I don't think they will be perfect for a long time. The LED will hopefully come soon since Twisted reported getting them to work. But I don't understand why we don't have fully working LED's like that was announce last week. Perhaps it was an accidental fix that couldn't be recreated? Perhaps it was a fluke? Who knows. What I do know is that the LED's still need work even after it was reported to have a fix. As for bluetooth... as far as I know and read it could only be initialized by manual command lines and not from the settings app. Even IF there is a fix... will it be full bluetooth (A2DP) or just enough to pair and use a headset?
The fact that the BT and LED's for Hero builds tend to work with MT3G and not the G1 tells me that it's hardware related and not so much in code or scripts. So if fixes to the LED and BT are developed and perfected then how will the MT3G work after flashed a ROM with these patches included? Will they conflict? Will we need different ROMs for different phones? I'm not trying to be negative or pessimistic but I'm just not seeing full fixes for these issues to be ready, available and implemented this week or next. Maybe in a month or two... but that's as far as my optimisism takes me. But I hope that I'm wrong.
I have a couple of questions about linux-swap.
So I'm on the Hero 2 rom and I have 32MB swap partition. I want to go to the JACxHEROSki-v2.0 rom and at the same time make my swap partition bigger before I flash but I'm unsure if it's safe to go bigger than a 32MB.
"DO NOT USE MORE THAN 32MB SWAP!!!"
They placed this right above the example of how to partition your SD card on the JACxHEROSki-v2.0 but "RECOMMENDED VALUES linux-swap partition = 64MB" is what they placed as recommendations!!! So I'm a little confused. Anyone want to show a little experience?
How about this. Re-partition your sdcard with 96mb for linux-swap. Then when you want to change it go to the recovery console and type
Code:
parted /dev/block/mmcblk0
resize 3 x y
print (to verify it worked)
quit
reboot
Substitue in the start and end points for the file system for the x an y respectively. This will give you the ability to play around with up to 96mb of linux-swap space with the ability to change it out whenever you want without repartitioning the entire sdcard.
Personally testing something is always better than having some one tell you what to use.
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I have a couple of questions about linux-swap.
So I'm on the Hero 2 rom and I have 32MB swap partition. I want to go to the JACxHEROSki-v2.0 rom and at the same time make my swap partition bigger before I flash but I'm unsure if it's safe to go bigger than a 32MB.
"DO NOT USE MORE THAN 32MB SWAP!!!"
They placed this right above the example of how to partition your SD card on the JACxHEROSki-v2.0 but "RECOMMENDED VALUES linux-swap partition = 64MB" is what they placed as recommendations!!! So I'm a little confused. Anyone want to show a little experience?
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if they suggest something then go with it. they said 64mb for 2.1, so go with 64mb. its not hard to understand
Ignore the warning, I don't really understand why it's there. I have run with 64 mb swap and 32 and 62 is significantly faster. I have even heard of swaps in the 100's that is apparently load screen free.
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Ignore the warning, I don't really understand why it's there. I have run with 64 mb swap and 32 and 62 is significantly faster. I have even heard of swaps in the 100's that is apparently load screen free.
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well 32 just happens to be more stable in the long
Or if you use what i posted you can change it any time you want and see for yourself which is better.
32, 64, 96, 200+???
I have browsed around various different forums regarding this issue and couldn't find anything definitive. If possible, can I get a developer to answer this question? What size should the linux-swap be to run hero ROM with minimal lag and no "htc" loading screens? I seen one guy say he has 300MB for linux-swap. Is it bad to have your swap set really high? If so, explain. Thanks to anyone with an intelligent answer.
Twisted uses 100mb, I use 128mb. I havent had any long term bad effects and forgot what the loading screen looks like.
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Twisted uses 100mb, I use 128mb. I havent had any long term bad effects and forgot what the loading screen looks like.
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Just to experiment, I set my swap last night to 256MB. I know its kinda high, but just wanted to see the performance difference. The funny thing is that I have not seen any "htc" loading screens, but im starting to see weird lag in other areas. One example is when im switching from screen to screen. It was smooth before with 32MB, but I got the "htc" loading screens. I will repartition it for 128MB to see if I can get rid of the "htc" loading screens and lag. I'll reply after my testing...
Rom: JACxHEROSki-v1.8
SDHC: 4GB Class 2 [I know, im too lazy to order the $10 Class 6 4GB]
When running Hero I usually go with 64mb swap with 60 swappiness. A higher swap will not see loading screens ever but will initially lag like crazy. You can go 96 but I personally saw lag from that also. And actually in JACHEROSki-v2.1 thread he says 64mb recommended.
My testing is complete. I'm using 128MB linux-swap and my hero ROM has been flying. No loading screens and no real lag. It looks like 256MB was too much and 32MB is too little. I'm fine with 128MB.
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My testing is complete. I'm using 128MB linux-swap and my hero ROM has been flying. No loading screens and no real lag. It looks like 256MB was too much and 32MB is too little. I'm fine with 128MB.
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you phone is going to lag later on. its fast for now. but bad later. 32mb is the most stable according to devs.
in all honesty how long does someone keep a hero rom on their phone without flashing another one? if someone wants to use a large linux-swap partition then just every few days or so destroy it and make another one.
besides we want instant gratification not long term benefits (that's just society in general)
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in all honesty how long does someone keep a hero rom on their phone without flashing another one? if someone wants to use a large linux-swap partition then just every few days or so destroy it and make another one.
besides we want instant gratification not long term benefits (that's just society in general)
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thats your opinion. i just stated a fact.
and i disagree society want instant gratification. some ppl actually think about long term . i.e. getting dream over magic. magic has a longer lifetime than g1 and is a better investment in the long run. some people loook for longevity
this isn't the forum for sociology, but i do mean look at all the "diet" pills, the easy way out, all the fast food places, the i-want-it-now-an-damn-the-consequences crowd. yes there are some people that plan ahead and think of the future, but there are also those that do not. just from things i have witnessed and observed the second outweighs the first.
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thats your opinion. i just stated a fact.
and i disagree society want instant gratification. some ppl actually think about long term . i.e. getting dream over magic. magic has a longer lifetime than g1 and is a better investment in the long run. some people loook for longevity
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If you look for "longevity" you would not mod your phone at all. These actions can result in a shorter life span of your device. *FACT* If you want "longevity" stick with the OTA garbage t-mobile pushes you. I don't mean that to be offensive towards you, just t-mobile.
Right now my G1 is still flying with 128MB swap. Running for more than 18HRS with no re-boots, htc loading screens or lag. I will more then likely flash a new hero ROM once one is available.
I have to agree with David and shadow on this one. Get that rom rollen as fast as you can, then wipe ext3 when needed
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If you look for "longevity" you would not mod your phone at all. These actions can result in a shorter life span of your device. *FACT* If you want "longevity" stick with the OTA garbage t-mobile pushes you. I don't mean that to be offensive towards you, just t-mobile.
Right now my G1 is still flying with 128MB swap. Running for more than 18HRS with no re-boots, htc loading screens or lag. I will more then likely flash a new hero ROM once one is available.
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i disagree if you want longevity ,then dont mod.
the fact that some older roms run better than new roms. i.e. akirahs 1.5.1 runs better than the other akirah roms. or jac 1.6r2a is more stable than 2.1. longevity is a positive. some people actually stick with older roms just becuz of the bugs contained in newer roms.
and thats 18hrs. thats very short to some people as well.
and some ppl prefer stability than speed and vice versa.
why swap at all it can mess up ur sd card!!!
oh and p.s people suck in general its fact. some are good but most of selfish and needy gluttons.lol
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why swap at all it can mess up ur sd card!!!
oh and p.s people suck in general its fact. some are good but most of selfish and needy gluttons.lol
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tho swap will shorten your sd card lifetime, it would take a while for it to be destroyed. by then new sd card and technology are out and cheaper.
right now a 4 gig class 6 is 10 bucks. that should last about a year or a little more using swap.
I had posted this on the Q&A forum and it was suggested I come here. Didn't want to seem completely inept, but alas, I am. Here is my questions from the original post:
I really need massive help. Obviously I am brand new to this forum and have absolutely NO idea what the jargon or codes mean in these threads. Overclocking? Rebooting into recovery? SU? Kernal version requirements? I am merely a car guy and will gladly assist in ANY and all car questions. This is what I would like to accomplish. Root the phone to delete the useless programs that are just taking up space. Namely, Amazon MP3, Facebook (don't even have an account), Goggles, Google Search, Latitude,Talk, Twitter, Voice Dialer and finally Voice Search. I figure I don't need many of these since when I do actually use most of those Voice type programs Vlingo is used. Am I wrong to delete so much? A ROM is basically the screen design layout and buttons correct? I am needing set by step (Barney style) instructions on how to accomplish what I would like to do. I currently have a Droid 1 with version 2.2.1; Build FRG83D; Kernel 2.6.32.9-g68eeef5 . If that makes any sense or helps in my quest great, if not please let me know what else is needed. I have Windows XP if that matters as well. So like I said, if you have car issues or just want a little more performance or gas mileage I can help. I'm partial to domestics, Chevy especially, but can definately assist with them all. Thanks in advance all!
I will answer the general questions and leave droid specific answers to other as i have a milestone (international version of droid).
First question:
Do you have any other reason to root besides deleting apps?
Are you running out of space?
Deleting apps will mostly let you reclaim space on your phone in order to install more applications. If you are not running out of space, this may be unnessary. This is especially true now that apps can be installed on SDCARDS. Space is now less valuable than it once was.
Another typical reason to root your phone is overclocking. This means running your phone at a higher speed than normal. This will help with games and general responsivness/snappiness of the phone. Potential side effect are higher heat and reduced lifespan of the phone. but if you are following advice here, you are most likely safe.
By the way, a ROM is a combination of operating system and applications. People customize a system image (programs, speed, themes, art, configurations) and distribue it as a ROM.
I hope this clears a few things up.
I am only asking because most people root their phones t
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I don't know what else is possible honestly to do after rooting other than deletion of the apps. My phone has at bet 60M or so of space when using task killer. I see the new phones have huge internal memory by comparison. I have moved every app over to my SD that I can. It does seem to move much more slowly than it did when I first got the phone back in April, maybe overclocking is a good idea? How much does it hurt your phone permanently. I'm used to holding a phone for two years at a time now. Thank you very much for the input. Is Milestone so far different that your methods won't work for me?
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I don't know what else is possible honestly to do after rooting other than deletion of the apps. My phone has at bet 60M or so of space when using task killer. I see the new phones have huge internal memory by comparison. I have moved every app over to my SD that I can. It does seem to move much more slowly than it did when I first got the phone back in April, maybe overclocking is a good idea? How much does it hurt your phone permanently. I'm used to holding a phone for two years at a time now. Thank you very much for the input. Is Milestone so far different that your methods won't work for me?
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Overclocking will make you phone feel like a new phone.
It is not VERY risky, but it most likely voids your warranty.
It is also not an all or nothinh deal. There are degrees of overclocking. For example, most phones in the droid/milestone series are set (factory setting) to around 550mhz. Many people set their phones all the way up to 1ghz (1000mhz). I don't.
I run mine at a max of 800. The phone runs cooler and the battery lasts longer.
I dont know how different the droid and milestone are. I really dont want to mislead you with bad info. You should break down your searches into bite sized pieces. Root first, then overclock.
I am certain that good guides are available on the site to root/overclock a droid.
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Greetings to all! Help to choose FS
I have noticed lag of games when used Ext2
And what file system is most stable and fast?
ext4 filesystem
thanks
I use DamianGTO....and many people recommended Ext2...why?
ext2 provide faster speed
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ext2 provide faster speed
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In benchmarks maybe (although, very little testing appears to have taken place in the Filesystem wars).
Try them all I'd say, although, at least from first impressions, JPY even with RFS feels very smooth to me (although, I haven't properly tested it, so it might be placebo effect talking)
Well file system is not simple to choose.
So far ext2 is fastest and that has been tested over and over again. But still.some people here don't beloved it.
But there is more things that happens in the phone when you use it.
Its very easy to get high score on I/o but you will suffer from micro lag.
And worst is that read and write speed is different and has different priority.
All this things need to take care of when making a kernel.
If you improve one area then the other will be worse.
Sure you can make a kernel that's great on games but you would not like it in normal use.
**DamianGTO Ultimate OC/UV Kernel.1200MHZ. 350MB Ram. 600HZ. all ext2. Darkys rom. Js5**
Tested how and where.. Using Quadrant? What's the typical read:write ratio of this device for ordinary users Damian? Seeing as it has been proven, surely you must know this..
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Tested how and where.. Using Quadrant? What's the typical read:write ratio of this device for ordinary users Damian? Seeing as it has been proven, surely you must know this..
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You still dont know what you are talking about, so just stop ask stupid question and other stupid things.
Okey guys!
How FS Ext2 or Ext4 influences the battery?
p.s. When i use Ext2 for example in game GunBros there were lags...
p.p.s. Excuse I badly speak in English
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You still dont know what you are talking about, so just stop ask stupid question and other stupid things.
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They may sound stupid to "professionals" such as yourself, but to the rest of the development world, I think I'm making a fair point. I've been told to report "facts" to admins which are unproven, and I will do so again in this case. Because if the "fact" can't be proven and it turns out wrong, it may be detrimental to future developers who think you actually tested it...
If you had indeed tested it, it should only take 2 or 3 minutes to post the procedure you used so the community can verify it. However, seeing as you are unable to do so, in my opinion, what you have said again, is total bulls*it.
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They may sound stupid to "professionals" such as yourself, but to the rest of the development world, I think I'm making a fair point. I've been told to report "facts" to admins which are unproven, and I will do so again in this case. Because if the "fact" can't be proven and it turns out wrong, it may be detrimental to future developers who think you actually tested it...
If you had indeed tested it, it should only take 2 or 3 minutes to post the procedure you used so the community can verify it. However, seeing as you are unable to do so, in my opinion, what you have said again, is total bulls*it.
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If you start read on xda about this you should know it a well known FACT the ext2 is faster. All developer knows it to. Have you done anything beside whining and tell people that use ext2 that they dont know how fast or how safe it is and they should not use it for you dont understand how it works?
You say we dont give you facts, but you have so far given zero test your self to show us we are wrong.
Start with that first. And dont link to other place you found on google.
Try make a test to prove us wrong.
I bet you cant...
I've looked through XDA, and have discovered that it is an absolute FACT that EXT4 is in fact the fastest. No testing is required, as there is thousands of benchmarks out there that prove it Damian.All the testing, despite the effort put in, I keep locked away in a HDD at home. But I can tell you that EXT4 is 25% faster at all times, and that with the appropriate boot time options (which I wont disclose), can reach 92%. The use of extents enhance the effect 10x. Evidence is posted on other threads, look for it yourself.
(In case you can't tell, I'm copying the BS Damian Says.. Consistently. SGS ROM development doesn't interest me as much as some other PC projects I'm helping with currently, hence why I never looked into it. Also, I only have 1 mobile phone which I use for work, so it would be stupid for me to roll my own rom's currently (and it would likely impact my working life). That doesn't mean I don't have experience with messing with the kernel though..
However, I have posted a means to at least help get more information to help prove this claim. My advice is ignore Damian, and those who have time to prove this claim should begin by gathering information. I'm not defending either EXT4 or EXT2. However, I fail to understand how anyone could defend either of them without even knowing how they are being used, unless they are faster in ALL scenarios. Damian could be right, but that WONT be because he actually ran proper tests. It will only be because he coincidentally gambled the winner
It is common courtesy when stating something is faster than something else, to have a benchmark or link to a reference. Otherwise this just becomes yet more unverified information on the internet.
Is there any reference to tests highlighting EXT2 is faster on flash memory?
All people look this link:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=800353
Do you say all people that use ext2 and do benchmark is wrong when they prove time after time that the phone is faster and the benchmark Also show it?
Yes boot up can be faster with ext4 and that is also well known.
That because how the system works.
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Tested how and where.. Using Quadrant? What's the typical read:write ratio of this device for ordinary users Damian? Seeing as it has been proven, surely you must know this..
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ya tested in his mind.. any opinion other than his own is wrong..
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ya tested in his mind.. any opinion other than his own is wrong..
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Well I read test after test people do.
Its very very very hard to find any test that shows ext4 would be faster then ext2.
As I can see none here has any link to prove that claim either on the phone.
**DamianGTO Ultimate OC/UV Kernel.1200MHZ. 350MB Ram. 600HZ. all ext2. Darkys rom. Js5**
Okey guys!
Advise what updating file system to use?
depends on what kernel u choose
I use DamianGTo kernel I think it's the best kernel.