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Hello folks.
Twice recently I've looked at my Vario III and noticed it displaying the H for HSDPA at the top, rather than 3G.
Clicking on to open the connectivity bubble reveals that yes, I am indeed connected to "T-Mobile Internet (HSDPA)".
The only thing is, I'm on their Web 'n' walk data plan, not the Web 'n' walk plus which includes HSDPA.
On both occasions the H has reverted back to 3G after a few minutes.
Does anyone know if T-Mobile are tinkering with their service, perhaps planning to include the faster data to all users, not just the "plus" people?
Or was my phone itself just teasing me and displaying H when it was really regular old 3G?
Any answers welcome.
HSDPA
I too have the same phone on T-Mobile and also use the standard web 'n' walk and I often use HSDPA to connect... Have also connected to the internet with my laptop and get speeds up to around 1.6MB/s.
I think the idea with the web 'n' walk plus and HSDPA is that you are ALLOWED to use it as a computer internet connection and get those higher speeds but with the standard one you get those speeds but only on your mobile.
Phil
Cheers Phil.
I wonder why I've only been connected to it twice though.
Perhaps I've only noticed it twice!
*** UPDATE ***
I woke up this morning, my woman done left me......
ooops, sorry, force of habit.
I woke up this morning and I noticed that I was connected to HSDPA again.
This time the connection remained constant and I still have it now.
Perhaps I can expect it all the time now.
HSPDA is being built through as the new standard of mobile networks all over the world (where currently supported of course) orange UK have been doing this for the past couple of months, so yes I would imagine T-Mobile are upgrading the signal across the network
I'm on Flext with web n walk, i called T-mobile to have HSDPA enabled, generally its pretty stable, but it's not totally uncommon for it to drop back to 3G randomly. I'm not surprised, as im sure the coverage isn't yet 'finished'
i had to upgrade to get it in feb, never came up i upgraded and boom it was there, if everyone is getting it i may just downgrade n save myself £5
It certainly seems to be the case, meandu.
If there are no other advantages to the 'plus' service you should downgrade back to the regular.
No point paying an extra blue one for feck all.
Thanks to everyone that replied.
As far as I am aware, you don't have even have to have web 'n' walk to get the HSDPA speeds - so long as it is enabled then you can use (obviously you will pay more if not on w 'n' w!!). You certainly don't need 'plus' to get it. The reason it fluctuates is that it only shows the 'H' if firstly, you are in an HSDPA area and secondly, it is actually downloading something. The rest of the time it will just show 3G or G, depending on where you are.
I have been with T-Mobile Uk for about six months on their standard W+W package. Until two weeks ago I was only able to get 3G but since then I too have been on HSDPA. They must have changed their policy. If only they'd let windows live work...
The reason you are seeing "H" instead of "3G" is because T-Mobile are now defaulting 3G services onto HSDPA.
The change over happened in Plymouth about 2 weeks ago, I thought it was a blip because sometimes the icon got stuck but soon found out that HSDPA was being enforce.
This is all to do with T-Mob and 3 merging their 3G networks over the course of the year allowing most of us to be able to access the new 7.2Mb Turbo network and later next year the 14Mb Uber Turbo network
Oh and windows live does work for me on default web and walk lol
Thanks for the information.
Frustratingly for me windows live will not work via GPRS, 3G or HSDPA. Synchronisation just takes a while then fails. My understanding was that this was due to T-Mobile port blocking on W+W basic, am I misinformed? I am using Dutty’s 6.1 with version 10.6.34.800, wifi connects with no problem but it means I need to use PIE to access the web based one when out and about. I have encountered the same problems with other ROMs and Windows Live versions.
Is this anyone else’s experience?
I'm on WnW 'basic' and dont have that problem, im pretty sure they dont block it... although i do have random problems connecting to MSN sometimes.. but im sure thats just a signal/software issue.
We had this issue with our work mobiles when using Live and other chat progs, but only with t-mobile. They'll deny it point blank if you call the helpdesk, although that's probably more down to them not knowing anything about port blocking I would think. No issue with O2 or Orange and the chat progs work fine when cradled or via wireless. Incidentally, it's not permanent either, they'll occasionally work for a day or two. I wonder if some sort of usage monitoring is taking place
I am also on T-Mobile UK with a Vario III.
Joined them in Oct 07 on Flext 30 with Web N Walk. I've had HSDPA appearing when downloading since day one - when not downloading it goes to 3G or G if out of 3G coverage.
I am also able to use Windows Live with no problems. I have attached the version I use currently for anyone having an issue with theirs.
Cheers
Zippyioa
See below for T&C's for W&W
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Flext + web'n'walk plans
Subject to connection to Flext or U-Fix + web 'n' walk. Minimum term contract and credit check apply. Subject to coverage. Compatible handset required. Roaming charges apply. Not applicable to connection via CSD. *To ensure a high quality of service for all our customers a 1GB (of data both sent and received in the UK) per month fair use policy applies. If you exceed 1GB per month, we may tell you to reduce your future use. If you again exceed 1GB per month, we may tell you that we are going to apply network protection controls, resulting in a reduced network speed for 14 days. If you exceed 1GB per month for a third time , we may tell you that we are going to apply further network protection controls, resulting in a reduced network speed until you upgrade your price plan to include a larger data allowance. We do not permit use of this service to provide modem access for a computer or for peer to peer file sharing, internet phone calls or instant messaging. Roaming charges apply.
Flext + web'n'walk Plus plans
Subject to connection to Flext + web 'n' walk Plus. Minimum term contract and credit check apply. Compatible laptop and handset required. Not applicable to connection via CSD. Subject to coverage. To ensure a high quality of service for all our customers, a fair use policy of 3GB (of data sent and received in the UK) per month applies. If you exceed 3GB per month, we may tell you to reduce your future use. If you again exceed 3GB per month, we may tell you that we are going to apply network protection controls, resulting in a reduced network speed for 14 days. If you exceed 3GB per month for a third time, we may tell you that we are going to apply further network protection controls, resulting in a reduced network speed until you upgrade your price plan to include a larger data allowance. We do not permit use of this service for internet phone calls. Roaming charges apply.
Flext + web'n'walk Max plan
Subject to connection to selected Flext + web'n'walk Max price plans. Minimum term contract and credit check applies. Compatible laptop and handset required. Not applicable to connection via CSD. Subject to coverage. *To ensure a high quality of service for all our customers, a fair use policy of 10GB (of UK data both sent and received) per month applies. If you exceed 10GB per month, we may tell you to reduce your future use. If you again exceed 10GB per month, we may tell you that we are going to apply network protection controls, resulting in a reduced network speed for 14 days. If you exceed 10GB per month for a third time, we may tell you that we are going to apply further network protection controls, resulting in a reduced network speed until you upgrade your price plan to include a larger data allowance. Roaming charges apply.
Hi ray.andy
Thanks for the legal on this one
I have always known that the T&Cs state you can't use instant messenging on WNW standard. Strangely I and many other customers have always used Windows Live on the standard WNW tariff without issues.
Cheers
Zippyioa
zippyioa said:
Hi ray.andy
Thanks for the legal on this one
I have always known that the T&Cs state you can't use instant messenging on WNW standard. Strangely I and many other customers have always used Windows Live on the standard WNW tariff without issues.
Cheers
Zippyioa
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I would say that as long as you don't go over the usage limit as specified in each tariff then you can use it for anything that you want.
T-Mobile have no way to see what programs/applications are using Data. This is just purely to make customers pay more for the tariffs as they think they are getting a better deal.
I had W&W for £7.50 per month - I used it for internet through my laptop & skype for over a year without any letters/warnings from T-Mobile.
I still think that HSDPA from T-Mobile is fast and well worth the money compared to Orange.
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Ray.Andy: are you sure about that? I'm on T-Mo UK as well, and I remember putting win live on before and it said that the service is blocked. However, I still can use Skype!
I *think* they can monitor ports like on PCs, and stop traffic on certain well-known ports, which then in turn block services.
Personally, I only use IM over wifi with my Tytn II, so it's all far game!
Thanks zippyioa for cab.
Have installed and testing. Seems to perform initial sync with no problems, this was my experience with the other versions also, but then is very tempremental after that. Sync sometimes but not others. I wonder if there is some usage/time limits on this from t-mobile. Those of you with no problems what are your settings for windows live? (ie sync frequency or manual, how often do you sync, does it always succeed, do you sync through windows live or send/receive in messages)
Cheers
I recently got my Kaiser (tilt) and with the speed tests that I have done the fastest download speeds I get are around 700kbits. Is this normal?
On my Titan (Telus) Evdo Rev A I could easily hit 1600kbits.
upstread is about 350kbits vs 500 kbits for EDO Rev A/
The ATT person assured me that their HSDPA was faster than EDO.
If anyone has speed stats, that would be greatly apprecaiated.
Thanks,
David
Yeah man my hdspa through ATT is horrible as well. Dont have figures for you but it drags.
i disagree it depends where you are and then there are TONS of other factors that infulance HSDPA speed. i am in NYC and on good days i get 1.6MB yes you read that right BUT most days its between 900kbs and 750kbs. with all the new 3G iphones on the at-t network now i believe you will see At-t step up there speed before the end of the summer but remember there are TONS of factors that infulance the down and up speed. if your in a major city then your speeds will probably be a little faster.
Hang on, as I understand it (please correct if wrong) HSDPA was rolled out last year, and HSUPA has still to implemented properly?
Anyone?
yes that is correct..a big factor too is your device..i recently found this out but alot of the ca[abilities of hsdpa were meant to achieve via tethering..your device can only write so fast to its rom/storage card and it cant really meet the demands of the downlink speeds of your umts signal so you have a bogged down speed of usually no more than 1mbit (ive NEVER gotten over 900kbit) but tethering you can get upwards of 2mbit
I tried my test with and without tethering. Without tethering it was about 700kbit, with tethering it ranged from 700k to 900k.
This is about half the speed that I had previously with EDO rev A.
Furthermore, what really hurts is the latency. With EDO-A I had about 40ms, with HSDPA (and I believe HSUPA, as someone from AT&T told me) I get close to 500ms.
I did notice something odd: With sppedtest.net, it claims that my nearest server is somewhere in Chicago or something, with with EDO-A it was right in Toronto where I was.
I have removed the hidden proxy, but I suspect that my data may be going through some odd place in the middle of the US. New York is a lot closer to Chicago than Seattle is.
I wonder if there are settings that we can make to access a different data site, or if we are just using a bad DNS server that directs us to a non-ideal site.
For the record, I generally install "ATT settings", turn off the proxy and then "Remove hidden proxy". I have not tried using the operator config program that is supposed to set things up automatically.
Btw: All tests are with full bars and Radio 1.71????? (e-monster) and a windows mobile 6.1 ROM with Internet sharing 6.0 to allow free tethering (at least I think that is what it is for)
Regarding storage, I am surprised that this could be a limiting factor with the Kaisers RAM and the storage cache sizes that I use.
pidsw said:
I did notice something odd: With sppedtest.net, it claims that my nearest server is somewhere in Chicago or something, with with EDO-A it was right in Toronto where I was.
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So are you using your Tilt in Canada? Is so, then you are not on AT&T's towers, and the speeds are the fault of the roaming provider, not AT&T.
I get roughly 1700kbps on hspda here in Rochester NY. Im running Slueth v3.0 Rom.
Well, I have HSDPA and im running at 1113 kbps. I have done a speed test 3 times and its around those numbers. So maybe its the radio version or rom. or it could be the coverage area. Im in the NYC.
i work at AT&T not for but at, and i have a tilt unlocked the HSDPA and was averaging 1400kbps and we have little GSM towers in our building(they habg from the cealing and look like upside down vases. so i'm guessing this would be pretty average for "good network conditions."
-MM
Sorry that was confusing: To clarify, I moved to Seattle from Toronto and I signed up for AT&T.
I have a feeling that it might have to do the logon and/or DNS results. My account says wap.cingular, when I ping this, it resolves to different IP's on a regular basis (load balancing?) But they are generally far away.
I got lucky later on one night and managed to get a wap.cingular address in San Jose and my speed was 1000kps according to www.speedtest.net using tethering.
On another test I got an IP in florida and I had 500kbps and a ping of 0.9 seconds.
When using OpenDNS I seem to get better results, but that may just be placebo.
Is there a way to use a hard coded IP rather than wap.cingular that is located in Seattle? I am not sure how "wap.cingular" is used explicitly as I cannot enter an IP and have it just work.
You can hardcode DNS addresses by editing the settings of your MEdia Net connection. I remember seeing in a different post that people seem to have good success with using OpenDNS' servers.
Hsdpa/Hsupa - Let's See What We Got Out There
I have the Hyperdragon Rom where it has the ability to select whether to enable the "H" HSDPA/HSUPA Mode but I have no idea which one is hooked up when the H is displayed.
Is there a tool that changes between say, an "H" and an "Hu"?
Also, can someone tell me where to learn more about the Open Server stuff for cingular?
Thanks.
pidsw said:
Sorry that was confusing: To clarify, I moved to Seattle from Toronto and I signed up for AT&T.
I have a feeling that it might have to do the logon and/or DNS results. My account says wap.cingular, when I ping this, it resolves to different IP's on a regular basis (load balancing?) But they are generally far away.
I got lucky later on one night and managed to get a wap.cingular address in San Jose and my speed was 1000kps according to www.speedtest.net using tethering.
On another test I got an IP in florida and I had 500kbps and a ping of 0.9 seconds.
When using OpenDNS I seem to get better results, but that may just be placebo.
Is there a way to use a hard coded IP rather than wap.cingular that is located in Seattle? I am not sure how "wap.cingular" is used explicitly as I cannot enter an IP and have it just work.
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Well, if you are actually PAYING for the PDA/Tether plan ( like me ), you can try using isp.cingular vs wap.cingular. It is definitely faster ( not a "placebo effect" ). My latencies are never in the 500's, although compared to my fiber line its still not comparable lol
I have been doing speed tests with my HSDPA and 3G and found HSDPA to not be any faster. After a quick call to T-Mobile it turns out Web'n'walk customers do not recieve HSDPA speeds.
You wil get the little H and your phone will connect using the HSDPA protocol but the speeds will be capped at 3G rates, your battery just drains faster.
To get HSDPA speeds you need to upgrade to web'n'walk plus or max and then the cap comes off.
So, if you want more battery power and your on web'n'walk I suggest turning it off.
so what speeds do you get?
i can get hspda speed on my web'n'walk deal. only took it out in july. dunno if its changed since then......
Hmmm....Id also be interested to see what numbers you get....
The talk about limited speeds for those who do not have good speeds on web'n'walk is crap, it is only about making people pay more.
Providers do not have any policy on their users using HSDPA/ 3G/ HSUPA.
If you have an HSDPA capable phone and you are in coverage the phone will use it.
A long time ago I bought a contract for internet over GPRS and the contract stated that I was only allowed to use GPRS. I also had a modem that was only GPRS capable (do not laugh, it was quite a few years ago). The contract also gave me UNLIMITED access to the internet.
After 2 months I purchased a modem capable of usigng EDGE and was using it a lot. They were never able to cut my transfer down because the contract said UNLIMITED access. They never said a work about me using EDGE instead of GPRS because they did not access such data.
If you are getting low sppeds on HSDPA, either the coverage is weak or you have HSDPA turned off in the phone.
I have a data packet with Vodafone UK and they recently upgraded my area to HSDPA and I am able to watch a 7 min youtube video without any stuttering after only 11 secs of loading.
Just because you have a HSDPA enabled phone, and web and walk does not mean you will get HSDPA speeds. You need to ensure that you are on a package that enables you HSDPA, or you ring and check your SIM is provisioned for it.
When I first went to T-mo I got the samsung Z560 as it was a HSPDA phone. Ran some tests and found I was only getting around 300kbps. Rang T-mo and had to move a tier of web'n'walk. They also had to provision my SIM for HSDPA.
That's the same for me. It's like having a 2mbit broaband connection - you're still on a 16mbit line (or whatever your exchange's max speed is) but not connecting on that speed until you upgrade your package.
I noticed an instant difference when I upgraded to WnW Plus. Now I can get Sky Player, BBCi Player etc when connected to a laptop, whereas I couldn't before on 3G speed.
So it's correct, if you are not getting high speed access but your phone is connecting with an 'H', turn it off and save the battery.
i love my diamond and most places the signal is good, but in my house my signal is crap, if i get a call i have to go outside, i have tried a few differant radios but not much change, ive also brought one of those signal booster stickers of ebay but not sure where antenna is on diamond, my wife is on orange and her samsung gives good reception in our house. just wondering if anybody can help
well in the states verizon wireless has released network extendors that can connect to your broadband internet connection and broadcast cell signal, thou looks like your overseas so i'm not sure if any the gsm carriers have anythign like that, thou they do make cell phone boosters or amplifiers that would increase your signal
you said the other phone has good signal in same location, here you could grab that tower id and edit the prl with it or change home sid so that phone talks to it but at the risk of possible roaming charges depending on your carrier,
i'm guessing you have a gsm diamond? if so i think your version of PRL is called internernational roaming database or IRDB, not sure if it can be modified on the gsm side but might be worth looking in to unless you want buy cell booster ( good ones are usually $200us or more i've seen some over 1k but should get decent one for 200
you mentioned sticker antenna most the cheap ones i've seen are groundplanes that hide between the batter and phone, thou not sure that would be good spot, thou if your refuring to an actual antenna that use proimty to transfer signal instead of connection, the internal antenna on most phones is on the back at the top
thanks for your reply runkittyrun, ill look into your thoughts
I have a prepaid at&t data tablet plan for an old ipad. I put my sim in a 815 "Unite Explore" hotspot. I'm getting great signal (I can see the tower) RSSI and "signal strength" in the -50's or better. However, my speeds are slow.
I drove around to hit other cell sites but it didnt get better. I'm always connected via WCDMA850(v). Once I saw 1900 but it was only for seconds and went back to 850.
I'm getting 9mbps down and 1mbps up....max... usually its more like 5/.5
Is there something wrong with my hotspot or does the service just suck that bad? I did buy an openbox one, but it looks brand new. Eventually im going to get a netgear nighthawk m1....
I did log into the web interface and its set to use all bands, etc...
I only plan to use it as a hotspot a couple days a month, but I need it to work!