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This is just my opinion....
Once in a while, a new mobile device comes along and sets imaginations and credit cards on fire. Something compelling, something new. The next big thing perhaps? How many of these devices can you remember from the past couple of years? A few? Now; just how many of these lived up to their full potential?
Go on, take a guess.
Zero.
Now don’t get me wrong here. When I say potential, I mean their hardware potential. Just because the end product is popular and sells well, it doesn’t mean it lives up to what it could be.
Consider the current driver issue with the HTC Tytn II. Many people are very unhappy with the performance of the video drivers. The device is very slow at redrawing the screen when the display is rotated. In some programs like Tomtom , it appears that the device absolutely struggles with motion on the screen. Others have complained about sub-par video playback performance.
A petition has been started, and I am sure by now HTC have received thousands of complaints from unhappy Tytn II owners. Everyone is asking for the same thing; a set of drivers that can use the new Qualcomm hardware to its full advantage. HTC even mentions the capabilities of the new Qualcomm MSM7500™ and MSM7200™ chipsets in their press release. The press release even states that the TYTN II is based on the new dual core chipset. Yet the overall performance just doesn’t seem to compare to the manufacturers claims.
HTC’s response has been rather subdued. Their approach seems to have changed a little. At first, they didn’t seem concerned and suggested that the device worked as advertised, i.e.: it could play videos but it was essentially designed as a business tool. Only after many complaints had been made did they listen and start taking information for the performance related issues, not just the video playback.
So why won’t they develop and release the drivers as so many people have requested? Simple answer really:
Long term profit. Let me explain.
The TYTN II is one of the first HTC devices to feature the new Qualcomm chipset. Compare it to the other HTC devices that have the same Qualcomm chipset, none of their specifications are quite the same. Each device is the first generation on the new chipset for its particular niche.
We are, essentially, beta testers. We buy the latest technology, use it heavily, complain about the bugs and report our findings back to the manufacturer via blog posts, reviews and complaints. It doesn’t need to be direct feedback; the internet is full of corporate trolls. Whatever you mention about their device, no matter where it is, chances are it has been read by one of these trolls. We can’t help it; we all like to express our opinions and frustrations. Its fun discussing options and troubleshooting with others on forums and websites. The most serious complaints are taken down, and over the next couple of revisions (e.g.: Tytn III?) they are generally ironed out.
This is why the drivers are not coming. HTC are banking on those who are frustrated with their device not living up to its potential, to upgrade and buy the successor. Not the best business method by a long shot, however thanks to early adopters and geeks, it’s a profitable one.
Oh, but you won’t ever, ever buy another HTC device again? Yes, you probably will. So will I. I found it quite amusing reading posts about the new Sony Ericsson Xperia X1. Many people said that they would buy it over a HTC device, but the fact is it IS a HTC device. My bet is it will sell like hotcakes, however I bet there will be some issues that will mean it won’t live up to its full potential. Sure, the issues cited with the Tytn II (and other early HTC Qualcomm devices) will be addressed.
The introduction of new features leaves the door open for new issues. We will discuss these issues. The trolls will read these issues. The issues will be addressed in the next generation of handsets. When it comes time for a new chipset, expect a bunch of new issues and complaints to arise.
It’s the circle of consumerism.
My next device won't even be a WM one, let alone HTC's junk. I've had enough of all the stupid problems with either the hardware or the OS. Next time my contract rolls around for renewal, I'm gonna buy a plain and simple Nokia just for calls.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=368108 a proper windows mobile phone bye bye htc once my damn contract on this stupid phone ends *shakes fist*
Until such time as it's on the market and proven to be what it claims, I'll consider it just so much marsh gas; much like HTC's promises.
FloatingFatMan said:
My next device won't even be a WM one, let alone HTC's junk. I've had enough of all the stupid problems with either the hardware or the OS. Next time my contract rolls around for renewal, I'm gonna buy a plain and simple Nokia just for calls.
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definitely my way too
Are there any known MSM7xxx phones that have the video acceleration?
My suspicion is that the following happened:
HTC was one of the first manufacturers to use the MSM7xxx series
3D acceleration was a "growth feature" that needed development and HTC wanted to get the device out the door and add the video acceleration later
Broadcom sues Qualcomm over patent infringement in the MSM7xxx series
Broadcom wins suit and Qualcomm is served with an injunction forbidding it to sell or even support infringing chipsets
HTC is screwed because their vendor is now legally forbidden from providing them the support they need to implement accelerated video
HTC also does not hint at the real reason for the drivers not existing for political and/or contractual reasons
HTC's "buy a future device" comment means "we need to find something that isn't covered by the Broadcom injunction against Qualcomm"
Entropy512 said:
Are there any known MSM7xxx phones that have the video acceleration?
My suspicion is that the following happened:
HTC was one of the first manufacturers to use the MSM7xxx series
3D acceleration was a "growth feature" that needed development and HTC wanted to get the device out the door and add the video acceleration later
Broadcom sues Qualcomm over patent infringement in the MSM7xxx series
Broadcom wins suit and Qualcomm is served with an injunction forbidding it to sell or even support infringing chipsets
HTC is screwed because their vendor is now legally forbidden from providing them the support they need to implement accelerated video
HTC also does not hint at the real reason for the drivers not existing for political and/or contractual reasons
HTC's "buy a future device" comment means "we need to find something that isn't covered by the Broadcom injunction against Qualcomm"
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Yep, everything you said makes perfect sense.
Chances of Kaiser getting video drivers - ZERO
Although I respect your opinion, and you are probably right, I have to say that making HTC develop/release drivers is just one of the paths we are exploring. I believe in our case it is essential to explore every possible opportunity to get Kaiser to use it's hardware 100%. That includes lawsuit, 3rd party developing drivers, ripping drivers from another device, getting SDK from ATi/Qualcomm, etc etc.
Whatever it takes - we must explore it... even if it sounds crazy or unlikely. Besdies... it's not like we have to pay cash for every opportunity that doesn't work.
FloatingFatMan said:
My next device won't even be a WM one, let alone HTC's junk. I've had enough of all the stupid problems with either the hardware or the OS. Next time my contract rolls around for renewal, I'm gonna buy a plain and simple Nokia just for calls.
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Same here...
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Although I respect your opinion, and you are probably right, I have to say that making HTC develop/release drivers is just one of the paths we are exploring. I believe in our case it is essential to explore every possible opportunity to get Kaiser to use it's hardware 100%. That includes lawsuit, 3rd party developing drivers, ripping drivers from another device, getting SDK from ATi/Qualcomm, etc etc.
Whatever it takes - we must explore it... even if it sounds crazy or unlikely. Besdies... it's not like we have to pay cash for every opportunity that doesn't work.
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Absolutely! I would love to see one of the developers here sort out drivers, or see the drivers ripped from another device work. I have my doubts that it will happen, however it would be fantastic to be proven wrong.
Has their been any real progress towards a solution as yet though? I'm not trying to sound too negative (even if thats not how it sounds..) I've read about the LG driver rip that works / doesnt work depending on who you listen to. Has there been any proven progress to date with either developing or obtaining an SDK?
Many seem to think the Kaiser won't ever get the missing drivers. I'm a bit more optimistic in this point. I still hope that - if not HTC - at least members of this forum are some day able to (re-)engineer the necessary drivers. Am I only dreamer or what do you think? Is it that unlikely that it will happen?
Hey... I just went to Vodafone store and tried the LG KS20, i think it has the same hardware as the tytn 2 (check http://pdadb.net/index.php?m=pdacomparer&id1=733&id2=825 to compare), but doesn't looks like it suffers from the same problems as the tytn. I tried the camera and isn't more slow than a regular phone camera? Might be a solution of the problem? I don't know but it's worth checking it...
LG KS20
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lQEsjzHgnpA&feature=related
Shows video performance
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9U-w1oTQ3BA&feature=related
If Broadcomm are the ones that will prevent support, then why do XDA or HTC not approach Broadcomm for assistance instead? That may be an avenue which may yield more positive responses than going after HTC.
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If Broadcomm are the ones that will prevent support, then why do XDA or HTC not approach Broadcomm for assistance instead? That may be an avenue which may yield more positive responses than going after HTC.
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The only Broadcomm IP in the Qualcomm chip is the technique for power backoff when there's no signal. It's like asking Honda how to get your Toyota engine to work.
Regardless of HTC's intent on this issue, the fact is they are building a "perception", at least in this forum, of poor customer support/response. This can be seen by the hyper-attention it receives at XDA. Is it justified? Some say yes, some say no. Personally, the biggest issue I have is with the lagging camera and the slow autofocus. I can't get my daughter too sit still long enough to let the camera to focus on her and get the shot I want. I can live with the slow screen rotation and even the laggy video playback. To be honest, I never expected super gaming or video from a QVGA screen... but that's just me.
That being said, perception becomes reality without response or action. HTC is playing an ill-advised hand if they think people will just buy their next product and just forget about their Kaiser/Tilt experience. This is coming from an unsatisfied ex-Axim owner.
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The only Broadcomm IP in the Qualcomm chip is the technique for power backoff when there's no signal. It's like asking Honda how to get your Toyota engine to work.
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I did not know that. Looks like I will need to start reading up on the case and settlement.
As mad as I am that the drivers are not there, my tilt still blowes away my previous device, I hope for a fix, but until then I will be scoping my new device as with my last and the one before. Yes HTC will not be my prefered option, but then I will base that on what is available at the next upgrade time.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=355345&page=35
There may.. MAY come a time where we'll all actually thank and appologize to HTC, hehe. Judging by the latest article (insider interview) and supposed Peter Chou emails.. Qualcomm may be the one to blame in this, and HTC is as much of a victim of Qualcomm's hopeful lies as we are.
I'm not saying that it's true, I'm just saying that'd be a really interesting turn of events
I feel like I'm reading a crime mystery hehe.
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There may.. MAY come a time where we'll all actually thank and appologize to HTC, hehe. Judging by the latest article (insider interview) and supposed Peter Chou emails.. Qualcomm may be the one to blame in this, and HTC is as much of a victim of Qualcomm's hopeful lies as we are.
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This may be true however ultimately HTC still misled it's customers using the Qualcomm feature set in PR, specifications and marketing releases. HTC will have known they were shipping the phones without the necessary drivers, but of course it would be too costly to hold back all their new models or redesign the phones around a different chipset, so they went ahead and sold them hoping no one would really notice!
HTC are making huge profits on the back of mis-advertising their latest products so it's hard for me to give very much sympathy if any at all to them They still have not made any official statement or apology to their customers, except for a rather cold and clinical statement to their shareholders. Yes I know various websites have comments from HTC regarding the matter but none of this has been put officially on their website and is just viral marketing, using the same tricks that got them in this mess in the first place.
Regards
Phil
As pointed out by DarkDvr the content of this thraed is now crossing with the content in at least two other threads:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/show...355345&page=35
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=359534
Please use one of them to continue any discussion.
Thank you
Mike
http://life.tweakers.net/nieuws/51901/htc-directeur-belooft-drivers-voor-geplaagde-toestellen.html
On a dutch website the headline says "HTC president promises new drivers for plaged devices"
In short english .... Driver was not implemented because HTC needed to pay for the driver. They tried to program it themselves but its seams they will now pay for the driver with Qualcomm . The driver should be avaiable at the end of march ..... Its not yet know for what devices though.
Lets wait and see and hope
Time will tell...
We know. if you have been looking at htcclassaction.org then it shows that also. I think it was someone on here that got the email saying that and he told Chainfire.
brilliant news.
Do we think that the user is going to end up paying for the driver then?
This makes me glad I held onto my Tilt. I can't wait to knock the dust off it & fire up with the new drivers.
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brilliant news.
Do we think that the user is going to end up paying for the driver then?
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I doubt it, and if they do I expect one person will buy it and then they'll be put into a new ROM for all to use.
I've contacted T-Mobile about it asking to get in touch with HTC and see how they plan to distribute it.
WOW
That a marvelous news..cant wait..
so its mean our TyTn II will be the best phone ever after that..
Just keep your guard up, if this doesn't turn out to work and the CEO is just pulling us or this is fake, then dont whine and complain.
I'm itching to buy one of these phones as an upgrade to my aging Vario (Wizard) but I'm still going to hold off pending confirmation of this great news from an official source at HTC. Once I know they are really going to address this issue then I'll be happy to buy now and put up with the current poor display performance (which I observed first-hand in the store) until the drivers are released. Hopefully someone like chainfire will be able to confirm this for us soon.
Andre
Great ****ing news! I want to be optimistic about, and celebrate HTC when they come through at the end of March.
Actually, there's a new ROM out today. I wonder if there's a surprise in it.
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The problem with this is that it is in no way official and until it is made official by an announcement on the HTC website it's nothing more than viral marketing.
It there were any truth in it HTC would be all too keen to shout it from their website surely?
Until it is made official from HTC this "email" is either some strange hoax or a deliberate fabrication from HTC PR marketing.
The HTC Class action site should not be falling for it and giving it publicity. If the chief executive really wanted to reassure his customer's it would be official on the HTC website. To think he would email personally to one particular person making claims of a forthcoming fix is quite frankly very unbelievable!
As to checking the email for correct SMTP headers etc, it takes nothing to fabricate those, it is only a text document after all that can be edited at will!
Regards
Phil
PhilipL said:
Hi
The problem with this is that it is in no way official and until it is made official by an announcement on the HTC website it's nothing more than viral marketing.
It there were any truth in it HTC would be all too keen to shout it from their website surely?
Until it is made official from HTC this "email" is either some strange hoax or a deliberate fabrication from HTC PR marketing.
The HTC Class action site should not be falling for it and giving it publicity. If the chief executive really wanted to reassure his customer's it would be official on the HTC website. To think he would email personally to one particular person making claims of a forthcoming fix is quite frankly very unbelievable!
As to checking the email for correct SMTP headers etc, it takes nothing to fabricate those, it is only a text document after all that can be edited at will!
Regards
Phil
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your right! ill wait till HTC puts it on the website officially
omg...this is greaT!!!!!
Hi
omg...this is greaT!!!!!
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Caution, don't get too excited. There is absolutely nothing to prove the email is genuine, and no official announcement on the HTC website.
This email carries about as much weight as a helium balloon would in the international space station.
Regards
Phil
budakjb said:
That a marvelous news..cant wait..
so its mean our TyTn II will be the best phone ever after that..
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I don't think so. Please, check the coming SonyEricsson XPERIA X1:
Screen of 800x400 !!!
Hardware acceleration (supported with drivers) Being able to accelerate 3D graphics and decode HD Video!!
Windows Mobile 6.5
400MB of internal memory
MircroSDHC slot
QWERTY keyboard (slideable) with a much more robust mechanism than our Tytn II
3.2 MPX Cam... Cybershot!! (CarlZeis + Flash + 3x Optic)
Assisted GPS
Metal-case
Slim design
Less weight
Wonderful interface (iPhone beater)
And I'm prety sure, this brand will not disappoint us with such a device (I mean, we will not have surprises like... oh! I can't play videos... even the cam of the phone is useless, or it hangs up when touching the screen)
I took the decision of not let me being robbed by anyone, neither taunted by any brand. So I'll NOT buy a device from HTC never more. Instead of it, I'll inmediately buy the Sony device and put my AWUFULL tytn2 in sale...
Guys... HTC will probably NEVER officially announce that.
As I've said before in sticky thread:
1. It will confirm that there was an issue and we were right.
2. It will contradict their official statement about their "price policies" and that "Kaiser was never indended to have drivers and be a high end video-device" or whatever.
3. If something goes wrong they won't be able to backup from releasing drivers. By "something" I mean shaky Qualcomm's position, they did lose the court case and who knows what can happen with that company. And HTC as I understand will be relying on Qualcomm for drivers.
4. This publicity is not that good for them, as it will stay in people's minds that HTC is releasing devices, and drivers for them with a huge delay. Not a good marketing.
Of course, they have smart strategists working there and perhaps they will deem it profitable to release the official statement. We will just have to wait and see. But besides that - I wouldn't wait for official statement.
Oh and one more thing - chainfire updated htcclassaction.org, he says that they've analyzed smtp headers of the letter and they do look genuine. Besides that (as I udnerstand) they've sent a separate letter to Mr Chou and he confirmed that those are his emails.
CHAMPAGNE *****EZ!!!!
Please people, this news is as stated by another poster, on the class action thread:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=359534&page=129
Now were onto the Experia and that too has numerous threads already including Meneisyys sticky thread.
Mike
at first i had a n95 which did every thing but still i lusted of the htc tytn2 keyboard.i payed 700 us for my tytn2 and by the second day i started having regrets.iv never met a phone that requires so much patches and the driver issue is just ridiculous.this was my first and only wm phone i'll ever buy.htc has left me feeling that all wm devices are crap(although i no better).so am packing up my tytn 2 in a box and buying a n95 8gb ..I'LL NEVER BUY ANOTHER HTC PHONE AGAIN..
I lolled, you just registered here to tell that ?
and you didn`t even search google before buying Kaiser ?
lol ._.
That's strange. I've had my TyTN II since January this year and no problems at all. This is my second WM device and I will never go back to Symbian.....EVER.
No driver issues, etc etc etc. But then again, I don't need live feeds from Mars.
Oh, and my phone didn't need any "patches" either.
MACkjam said:
That's strange. I've had my TyTN II since January this year and no problems at all. This is my second WM device and I will never go back to Symbian.....EVER.
No driver issues, etc etc etc. But then again, I don't need live feeds from Mars.
Oh, and my phone didn't need any "patches" either.
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Same here, had my phone since January 08, had no problems what so ever..
this is my 2nd WM phone (myself being imate jamin)
never going back to symbian, they just can't be made personal...
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at first i had a n95 which did every thing but still i lusted of the htc tytn2 keyboard.i payed 700 us for my tytn2 and by the second day i started having regrets.iv never met a phone that requires so much patches and the driver issue is just ridiculous.this was my first and only wm phone i'll ever buy.htc has left me feeling that all wm devices are crap(although i no better).so am packing up my tytn 2 in a box and buying a n95 8gb ..I'LL NEVER BUY ANOTHER HTC PHONE AGAIN..
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TyTN II is my 3rd WM device. Before that I had Nokias, Sony Ericssons, Samsungs, Motorolas, etc...and let me tell you. It terms of OS stability perhaps symbian devices are slightly better, but I must stress "slightly".
But if you count the amount of things that you can do with a WM device compared to a symbian, there's just no comparison.
There's no doubt that if you are switching from a symbian to WM, the amount of stuff that you have to learn is a lot, but it's definitely worthwhile.
I have never looked back, and quite frankly I don't think I will ever switch to Symbian again (unless something revolutionary comes up). There's a higher chance of me getting an iPhone than any Symbian powered phone.
But of course, each to his own...
I wish I could be shocked at this. But alas, I cannot. The Kaiser has been out for over 11 months now, and the so-called "driver issue" was discovered almost immediately. As an early adopter, I'll admit I was a bit angry when I first learned of the lackluster video performance, but then I realized that I bought a device that is a phone 1st, and a PMP 33rd.
I cannot, and will not, feel any pity for someone who buys a device that has been out as long as the Kaiser has, and didn't do any research on it's pros and cons beforehand.
on the contrary, after i got my n95, im not buying another symbian phone, ever. im quite happy with my kaiser
Wow....never seen a thread like this.
Like it's already been said, I don't feel sorry for you.
NotATreoFan said:
As an early adopter, I'll admit I was a bit angry when I first learned of the lackluster video performance, but then I realized that I bought a device that is a phone 1st, and a PMP 33rd.
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Good point. It's a phone first. People forget that. If you want to watch movies or play games go buy a PSP!
I would rather have good working 2D drivers any day then 3D drivers.
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aiv never met a phone that requires so much patches and the driver issue is just ridiculous..
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What patches and drivers are you talking about? Please enlighten us!
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so am packing up my tytn 2 in a box and buying a n95 8gb ..I'LL NEVER BUY ANOTHER HTC PHONE AGAIN..
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I'll buy it from you!
Wow people seriously. I second everything NotaTreoFan and AllTheWay said.
The lack of drivers has effected my use of the device none. I also feel that you are just looking for reasons to hate your phone, because well, you like to have pity parties.
The problem with pity parties is not a lot of people show up, and those that do, don't bring gifts.
Instead of moping and crying and having a pity party, realize that mountains of resources are out there to help make it better. Instead of a pity party, plan for a victory party. Trust me you'll be a better person for it.
Also, I will buy it from you as well.
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I'll buy it from you!
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No I will buy it from you! I will pay $1 more than ATW
I agree with you guys, but I have to say that it really doesn't matter... I have the Tytn 2 (obviously!) on UK Orange with WM6.1 and had the same on WM6.0 before...
I haven't had any issues that are worth worrying about. It makes me wonder if some people read about an issue and then attribute anything they don't like to it!
You just need to get used to how the phone works! To change a Kaiser for an N95 suggests some kind of misunderstanding of the operation of the Kaiser in my opinion. I have used both!
Any O/S which has as many functions as Windows Mobile will be slower than O/Ss on handsets which are more limited.
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S
SiJ2000 said:
I agree with you guys, but I have to say that it really doesn't matter... I have the Tytn 2 (obviously!) on UK Orange with WM6.1 and had the same on WM6.0 before...
I haven't had any issues that are worth worrying about. It makes me wonder if some people read about an issue and then attribute anything they don't like to it!
You just need to get used to how the phone works! To change a Kaiser for an N95 suggests some kind of misunderstanding of the operation of the Kaiser in my opinion. I have used both!
Any O/S which has as many functions as Windows Mobile will be slower than O/Ss on handsets which are more limited.
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I 100% agree with you. I've had my ATT Tilt since Feb. 08 and I love it. Ive only had one issue and that was my own fault, apparently the Tilt doesnt like root beer. LOL. And even then the only isssue I had was a keyboard problem. I was able to exchange it out no problems. The Tilt/TyTn II is a good phone. I still even use youtube on those days at work bored and see no problems.
I have been using WM mobiles since 2003, when orange released it's first SPV smart phone.
during past 5 years the only symbian mobile I ever had was sonyericsson P800, and I hated it. the only regret I have is that, had I found xda-developers site, sooner would of had much more fun with my handsets. And I have to thank XDA-developres and it's members for their hard work.
Kaiser is a mobile phone not a PPC although it works as PPC but it's first purpose is to work as a mobile phone.
Just remember to do a bit of research before buying your next handset.
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I 100% agree with you. I've had my ATT Tilt since Feb. 08 and I love it. Ive only had one issue and that was my own fault, apparently the Tilt doesnt like root beer. LOL. And even then the only isssue I had was a keyboard problem. I was able to exchange it out no problems. The Tilt/TyTn II is a good phone. I still even use youtube on those days at work bored and see no problems.
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No they don't like rootbeer, mine is partial to dr pepper, I've even heard that a few like coke, but never never rootbeer.
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No they don't like rootbeer, mine is partial to dr pepper, I've even heard that a few like coke, but never never rootbeer.
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LMAO Well Im not willing to try and see what the one I have in hand now is partial to. Although it keeps saying something about sweet tea. But who knows...
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LMAO Well Im not willing to try and see what the one I have in hand now is partial to. Although it keeps saying something about sweet tea. But who knows...
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Mine likes rocks. I dropped mine onto my gravel driveway and it hasn't complained at all.
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Instead of moping and crying and having a pity party, realize that mountains of resources are out there to help make it better.
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Positive thinking is the power to achive more with anything... WM is really resourceful and by time you will realize this...
pls add my name to the i want to buy a second kaiser to your list
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LMAO Well Im not willing to try and see what the one I have in hand now is partial to. Although it keeps saying something about sweet tea. But who knows...
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Sweet tea is delicious. My phone is quite a snob, however, and insists on imported beer.
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Sweet tea is delicious. My phone is quite a snob, however, and insists on imported beer.
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Mine really likes Shiner Bock alot.... Or Red Hook IPA.
I heard a rumor that Kaisers don't like being submerged in Castrol Syntech 10W40.
Pls don't flame me for this thread, it's just that I have noticed that not many people are visiting the Topaz forums on this site (especially compared to the diamond) I am wondering whether this is because there is low interest in the device. Views?
Perhaps it's because it's only just come out and not many people have one yet?
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Perhaps it's because it's only just come out and not many people have one yet?
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yepp
for example, in romania, it just arrived yesterday
It would be a shame if this phone doesn't get a lot of attention.
It's a great device ... i love it !
I would like to see a weekly calendar in touchflo though.
guys, with christonge, pietrucci, l3v5y, udk and many other on the board already, while the device is not released everywhere, we allready have a good population down here. No only the SPl tweakers, and then we're ready to go en **** up our devices...
Dont worry, we'll have a cool community here soon!
This device has great potential, and everybody i spoke, finds this device better than the original diamond.
Gr. Bram
Interesting comments, I also think the TD2 is a very worthy successor to the TD1, hopefully more devs will det interested soon and we can start to fully exploit this thing!
adesonic said:
Is the TD2 unpopular?
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It's só unpopular...
Who want such a device???
adesonic said:
Pls don't flame me for this thread, it's just that I have noticed that not many people are visiting the Topaz forums on this site (especially compared to the diamond) I am wondering whether this is because there is low interest in the device. Views?
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Sold out in several big online smartphone retailers, price raise recently (guess it's supply and demand)...
Also, the diamond has been available from the networks for ages, and the TD2 isn't yet (around here anyway) so cost's £400 or you can wait and get it for much less on your phone network.
HardSPL isn't out yet, meaning people can't flash custom roms yet..
Trust me, this will be at least as popular as the diamond, just wait a few months.
- Anthony
Pshh this phone is nearly sold out everywhere online. I'm Glad Clove got some more in and mine should be here in 2 days time. Next delivey they receive is May10th this would be second time they ran out. I'm sure the TD1 had a slow start as well till more people got their hands on it. Also remember the TD1 is 1 year old and established on many networks around the world.
Also take a look at the TP2 section. There is nealy nothing going on there yet as the phone hasn't been released. Not sure about everywhere else in the world but here in the US the TP2 is all the rave. That's all the reviews keep mentioning and the phone they hope carriers here get. I pesonally think the TD2 is a lot nicer than the P2. Here people don't know how to use a Soft keyboard and would rather have a thicker phone and have a hard keyboard.
It has barely just come out, and it hasn't come out at all in the US. If it is released in the States, this place will be full.
I just got mine. Trust me, it will be popular.
With over 526 visits to this thread already . No don't think so
touch pro 2 will be more popular. Mark my words
Hi to everyone. Few months ago every week all the ROM Chefs put new releases... I wasn't kept a ROM over 72 hours.... Now whats going on???? I have the same ROM for a month!!!!!!!!(is the best I've tried).
Maybe the Chefs are in summer holidays...lolololololo
Looking forward for something new and fresh...
Whats your opinion ?
Nah, after flashing Spike's Xperia X1.5 home plus I'm not in any hurry to change my ROM. This is perfect for my use.
or people is about to leave the X1 for another newer device?
deepthroat said:
or people is about to leave the X1 for another newer device?
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You have right man... I saw the Xperia X10 and i'm in love with it.
spyrakos said:
You have right man... I saw the Xperia X10 and i'm in love with it.
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LOL X10? Have you check out Samsung Galaxy S, HTC Evo 4G and perhaps Iphone 4 before you say that? haha for me X10 sucks compared to these phones and even lose to HD2 I think.. my opinion though
i am making my order for the iphone 4... i think its badass, now the iphone is actually worth my money
Man dont forget that i'm from Greece. Technology here isnt so far like your country.
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i am making my order for the iphone 4... i think its badass, now the iphone is actually worth my money
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Nah X10 is still better than the iphone.
I am proud to say that I've never, nor will I ever, own any product made by CrApple.
Intratech said:
I am proud to say that I've never, nor will I ever, own any product made by CrApple.
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olollololololl. why you say something like that?
It's mostly the pretentious idiots you see walking around with Apple products projecting their air of pseudo intellect that gets my goat.
Intratech said:
It's mostly the pretentious idiots you see walking around with Apple products projecting their air of pseudo intellect that gets my goat.
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Wait you will see people with the "small" IPad.....
ollolololololoool
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Wait you will see people with the "small" IPad.....
ollolololololoool
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It seems to me that the classical age of gadgets are ending and we are heading into the dark ages with companies like apple setting the standard with their draconian policies, lies and less than average devices dragging other companies down to their level.
discussions about e.g. apple already take place in forum general/off-topic sections, join there if you intend to follow this line
this thread has gone completely off-topic, any chance it returns to subject? though I think that's already been answered...
hungry81 said:
It seems to me that the classical age of gadgets are ending and we are heading into the dark ages with companies like apple setting the standard with their draconian policies, lies and less than average devices dragging other companies down to their level.
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well said... i personally like the iphone 4 and the macbook pro/air... but apple as a company is creating a follow me trend that i do not like as a consumer of various platforms... where is competition when everyone produces stuff with apple-looks? this is why i still have my x1 today, because too many touch devices reminded me of the first 3 iphones which all sucked... if this trend continues, i can see devices in the future with not much upgrades in terms of hardware and apple surprising everyone with greater hardware, like they did with the iphone's new screen, in which i was expecting since their macs also have awesome screens...
lets hope htc and se keep their heads on and dont fall into their trap, especially htc who already is with their lineup of many iphone-look-alikes
Hey, i saw something new in Xperia ROM!!! .
"DLW ROM Series 001 Xperia"
Did anyone tried it yet?
It looks nice.
Good luck to derliebewolf who kept Xperia alive!!!!
spyrakos said:
Hey, i saw something new in Xperia ROM!!! .
"DLW ROM Series 001 Xperia"
Did anyone tried it yet?
It looks nice.
Good luck to derliebewolf who kept Xperia alive!!!!
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I am using the ROM right now, it's awesome. For now it has no SOD's, no bugs and it's fast. PointUI makes it complete.
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I am using the ROM right now, it's awesome. For now it has no SOD's, no bugs and it's fast. PointUI makes it complete.
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I have a different opinion, its very fast but manilla is the complete ROM. Maybe is because i use for a long time!Anyway, nice work but not for me.
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olollololololl. why you say something like that?
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He says it because of this.
Sure, go ahead and buy an iPhone, i wont stop you from buying it.
Anyways, i'm an owner of an XPERIA X1 and X10. And i'm using an older version of itje's Xperience ROM on my X1.