I dont file the pattern lock of the android very secure. There are only a limited number of combos you can do. Is there any other software that will allow me to lock my phone and require some kind of key combo/screen combo to unlock that is more secure?
Thanks!
how do you not find it secure? the "limited number of combinations" you speak of is ASTRONOMICAL. for the lowest number of connections possible (3 dots), you have 3^9 possibilities, or 19,683 possible combinations. not to mention you can have all 9 dots connected in whatever order you want. a rough calculation based on this brings us to a number in the BILLIONS of possible combinations.
this is basic math. the phone is secure as you want it to be if you're willing to take more than 1/2 a second to unlock your phone. try a 4 or 5 dot combination and unless you're using something VERY predictable, nobody will ever guess it.
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how do you not find it secure? the "limited number of combinations" you speak of is ASTRONOMICAL. for the lowest number of connections possible (3 dots), you have 3^9 possibilities, or 19,683 possible combinations. not to mention you can have all 9 dots connected in whatever order you want. a rough calculation based on this brings us to a number in the BILLIONS of possible combinations.
this is basic math. the phone is secure as you want it to be if you're willing to take more than 1/2 a second to unlock your phone. try a 4 or 5 dot combination and unless you're using something VERY predictable, nobody will ever guess it.
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Really? I tried to do more than 4 but for some reason it wouldnt let me do more. Let me check again...maybe I am doing something wrong.
yea, im an idiot....thanks
and the phone locks you out after a certain number of attempts requiring your gmail username/password to unlock.
matthenry87 said:
I find the locking screen kinda unsecure.. If you look close you can see the finger oil trail left when the phone was unlocked (if unlocked recently).
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unless the person who unlocked the phone did anything else on the screen, in which case, you cant tell. also, if your fingers are that oily that you're leaving streaks on the screen every time you use it, i might suggest washing them, perhaps for the first time in your life.
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how do you not find it secure? the "limited number of combinations" you speak of is ASTRONOMICAL. for the lowest number of connections possible (3 dots), you have 3^9 possibilities, or 19,683 possible combinations. not to mention you can have all 9 dots connected in whatever order you want. a rough calculation based on this brings us to a number in the BILLIONS of possible combinations.
this is basic math. the phone is secure as you want it to be if you're willing to take more than 1/2 a second to unlock your phone. try a 4 or 5 dot combination and unless you're using something VERY predictable, nobody will ever guess it.
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Since this is "basic math" as you put it, then it might help to actually get the math right.
I. A three-dot passkey on a 9-dot pad would have 9^3 possible entries (729), not 3^9.
II. Since you cannot choose the same dot twice, this is actually an example of permutation. The correct number of possible entries is 9Px, where x is the length of the passkey. For example, for a three-dot passkey, the number of possible entries is 9P3, or just 504 possible entries.
Now you know, and knowledge is.. you get the idea.
quite true, and i'm big enough to admit it.
even so, you still prove the same basic point. the total number of combinations someone could have would be the following:
3 dots+4 dots+5 dots+6 dots+7 dots+8 dots+9 dots
or
504+3024+15120+60480+181440+362880+362880
which adds up to a possible 986,328 possible lockscreen combinations. now, given a basic premise that you can do one combination every 2 seconds, and for every 10 tries you suffer a 2 minute delay (120 seconds) to reboot the phone and try again (doesnt really work that way, you have to safe mode it, but lets play with the logic here) and the very last combination tried is the one thats yours, it would take the following length of time:
2(986328)+120(986328/10[rounded down])=13776096 seconds.
this translates to 159 days, 10 hours, 41 minutes, 36 seconds.
of course, the opposite is also true, that they could get it right on the first guess, in which case it takes 2 seconds. But those are pretty long odds.
but as stated, when you get locked out, theres a second layer of security, which is your gmail name and password. so unless the person unlocking your phone knows a lot about you, but somehow cant figure out your lockscreen combo, they're pretty much SOL.
simply put, most people arent going to try and unlock your phone. they're going to visit a forum like this one, figure out how to wipe the phone (which doesnt require a password, although that might be a nice feature for cyanogen to build into his next recovery image), drop in a new memory card and then make their own password for their brand new phone. the only people you really have to be worried about is the people who are always around you, like girlfriends and wives and parents and such. but then again, hiding stuff on your cell phone from people like that is shady business anyway.
no matter the combination, just looking at the finger print trail and it's possible to unlock. i find it not very secure myself. many of my friends who pick up my phone after several tries following a my finger print trail were able to unlock. i wish there was a pin # style lock. even if there is finger prints, there isnt a connected dot trail from one to the next, so itll be a bit more secure.
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you still prove the same basic point.
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I think the above comments relating to grease/fingerprint streaks have merit too. I unlock my phone quite a few times a day. Now, I like to consider myself a pretty hygenic person. I wash my hands no less than, i'd estimate, a dozen times a day. Still, I can't help but see the faint (or sometimes not so faint) fingerprint streak of my passkey on the surface of the screen.
The design of the dot lock screen looks really nifty, but I can't help but feel it's actually not a very practical implementation. For example, a regular number pad screen would eliminate the fingerprint streak problem and the problem of being unable to move from one dot to another without "selecting" a dot that is located in between.
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Well it is isn't it? I've been making allowances for the fact that with pretty much everything I try and get my Kaiser to do I start off using my fingers, then get the stylus out and finally resort to sliding out the keyboard. For example, I want to write an SMS, so I press the HTC Action app with the left soft key and press the screen for New SMS, so far so good. But then I want to enter a recipient; no-can-do with the tiny itsy bitsy HTC keyboard, so out comes the stylus, now all's well and good if you're sitting at home but if you're in a train or something forget it, the hardware keyboard is the only way. Now I know other touch keyboards are available but those that I've tried are still fiddly and coupled with the unpredictability of the screen itself, are not up to the job. About that unpredictability, the final straw came for me when a woman in a car park asked me if I'd be kind enough to dial her number because she'd lost her phone somewhere in the car and wanted to check it was there and not in the supermarket. It was a bright sunny day so the first problem I had was that I could hardly see the numbers on the screen, but after cupping one hand round it to shade it I could just about make them out. So she reeled off her number and I attempted to dial, it took three slow attempts, what with the latency and all, before I managed to enter it correctly, at one point it interpreted a 2 as an 8, a 5 I could forgive but an 8? There was no way my thumb was anywhere near the 8. Also, just entering the initial pin number on startup can be a struggle, sometimes the key I've pressed lights up, so I know the kaiser's recognised it, but the * to show the number is entered doesn't show up. Other times the * appears but the key doesn't light up. Sometimes I get two * instead of one. If I'd have had a bog standard hardware keypad then I'd have had the number in first time, in seconds. So anyway, at the risk of being a luddite it seem to me that touchscreens are very pretty and clever and all, but you can't beat hardware buttons for speed and accuracy.
You know - until I got your message I was happy with my tilt - but you have convinced me - You are right!
When I open a word document that is 207 pages long the keyboard on screen covers up a lot of what I can see. An an EXCEL spreadsheet - forget it - when there are over 100 rows and more than 40 columns - you can't see anything hardly.
And when you go to print - well - 'nuff siad there right?
And logging on to a remote computer - well - good grief - I am gonna send this piece of trash right back immediately. Only the iphone for me -man - with that HUGE screen I can see - well- not really much more - maybe if I did all this stuff on my computer I would be happier?
Bill
look9001 said:
Well it is isn't it? I've been making allowances for the fact that with pretty much everything I try and get my Kaiser to do I start off using my fingers, then get the stylus out and finally resort to sliding out the keyboard. For example, I want to write an SMS, so I press the HTC Action app with the left soft key and press the screen for New SMS, so far so good. But then I want to enter a recipient; no-can-do with the tiny itsy bitsy HTC keyboard, so out comes the stylus, now all's well and good if you're sitting at home but if you're in a train or something forget it, the hardware keyboard is the only way. Now I know other touch keyboards are available but those that I've tried are still fiddly and coupled with the unpredictability of the screen itself, are not up to the job. About that unpredictability, the final straw came for me when a woman in a car park asked me if I'd be kind enough to dial her number because she'd lost her phone somewhere in the car and wanted to check it was there and not in the supermarket. It was a bright sunny day so the first problem I had was that I could hardly see the numbers on the screen, but after cupping one hand round it to shade it I could just about make them out. So she reeled off her number and I attempted to dial, it took three slow attempts, what with the latency and all, before I managed to enter it correctly, at one point it interpreted a 2 as an 8, a 5 I could forgive but an 8? There was no way my thumb was anywhere near the 8. Also, just entering the initial pin number on startup can be a struggle, sometimes the key I've pressed lights up, so I know the kaiser's recognised it, but the * to show the number is entered doesn't show up. Other times the * appears but the key doesn't light up. Sometimes I get two * instead of one. If I'd have had a bog standard hardware keypad then I'd have had the number in first time, in seconds. So anyway, at the risk of being a luddite it seem to me that touchscreens are very pretty and clever and all, but you can't beat hardware buttons for speed and accuracy.
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I hardly ever use the stylus, so I'd have to disagree. The touchpad works fairly well for me and I have very large hands. To each his own.
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Well it is isn't it? I've been making allowances for the fact that with pretty much everything I try and get my Kaiser to do I start off using my fingers, then get the stylus out and finally resort to sliding out the keyboard. For example, I want to write an SMS, so I press the HTC Action app with the left soft key and press the screen for New SMS, so far so good. But then I want to enter a recipient; no-can-do with the tiny itsy bitsy HTC keyboard, so out comes the stylus, now all's well and good if you're sitting at home but if you're in a train or something forget it, the hardware keyboard is the only way. Now I know other touch keyboards are available but those that I've tried are still fiddly and coupled with the unpredictability of the screen itself, are not up to the job. About that unpredictability, the final straw came for me when a woman in a car park asked me if I'd be kind enough to dial her number because she'd lost her phone somewhere in the car and wanted to check it was there and not in the supermarket. It was a bright sunny day so the first problem I had was that I could hardly see the numbers on the screen, but after cupping one hand round it to shade it I could just about make them out. So she reeled off her number and I attempted to dial, it took three slow attempts, what with the latency and all, before I managed to enter it correctly, at one point it interpreted a 2 as an 8, a 5 I could forgive but an 8? There was no way my thumb was anywhere near the 8. Also, just entering the initial pin number on startup can be a struggle, sometimes the key I've pressed lights up, so I know the kaiser's recognised it, but the * to show the number is entered doesn't show up. Other times the * appears but the key doesn't light up. Sometimes I get two * instead of one. If I'd have had a bog standard hardware keypad then I'd have had the number in first time, in seconds. So anyway, at the risk of being a luddite it seem to me that touchscreens are very pretty and clever and all, but you can't beat hardware buttons for speed and accuracy.
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I'm sorry, I've been seeing more and more of these big blocks of text. And I'm not reading them.
Not to sound offensive but if you don't break up what you are saying into palatable paragraphs some people will figure it is too much work to read what you have to say.
BTW I think my touch screen works just fine. Though I'm not sure if thats what you are getting at becasue I only read the last sentance.
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I'm sorry, I've been seeing more and more of these big blocks of text. And I'm not reading them.
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+1 Jimmy
The return key is your friend.
JimmyMcGee said:
I'm sorry, I've been seeing more and more of these big blocks of text. And I'm not reading them.
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At least this one is using punctuation... that's progress.
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I'm sorry
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Apology accepted!
look9001 said:
Well it is isn't it?
I've been making allowances for the fact that with pretty much everything I try and get my Kaiser to do I start off using my fingers, then get the stylus out and finally resort to sliding out the keyboard.
For example, I want to write an SMS, so I press the HTC Action app with the left soft key and press the screen for New SMS, so far so good. But then I want to enter a recipient; no-can-do with the tiny itsy bitsy HTC keyboard, so out comes the stylus, now all's well and good if you're sitting at home but if you're in a train or something forget it, the hardware keyboard is the only way.
Now I know other touch keyboards are available but those that I've tried are still fiddly and coupled with the unpredictability of the screen itself, are not up to the job. About that unpredictability, the final straw came for me when a woman in a car park asked me if I'd be kind enough to dial her number because she'd lost her phone somewhere in the car and wanted to check it was there and not in the supermarket.
It was a bright sunny day so the first problem I had was that I could hardly see the numbers on the screen, but after cupping one hand round it to shade it I could just about make them out. So she reeled off her number and I attempted to dial, it took three slow attempts, what with the latency and all, before I managed to enter it correctly, at one point it interpreted a 2 as an 8, a 5 I could forgive but an 8? There was no way my thumb was anywhere near the 8. Also, just entering the initial pin number on startup can be a struggle, sometimes the key I've pressed lights up, so I know the kaiser's recognised it, but the * to show the number is entered doesn't show up. Other times the * appears but the key doesn't light up. Sometimes I get two * instead of one. If I'd have had a bog standard hardware keypad then I'd have had the number in first time, in seconds.
So anyway, at the risk of being a luddite it seem to me that touchscreens are very pretty and clever and all, but you can't beat hardware buttons for speed and accuracy.
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Better?
michalex said:
I hardly ever use the stylus, so I'd have to disagree. The touchpad works fairly well for me and I have very large hands. To each his own.
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Of course YMMV and IMHO etc. But really, can you honestly type in numbers accurately at faster than approximately one per second on the touch screen?
look9001 said:
Apology accepted!
Better?
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You need to tab when beginning a new papgraph. Sorry I couldn't resist
However i find the touchscreen very user friendly, but that is in my opinion and the wat i use it. I use excel all the time.
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Apology accepted!
Better?
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Much
Also, If my Kaiser PDA phone didn't have a touchscreen, than it would be a smartphone.
The fact they original keyboard is terribly small it's true, that's why we have the hardware keyboard, I mean, why buy a Kaiser if you're not gonna use the keyboard? There's plenty other good SIPs like pocketcm, touchpal or even the HTC Touch keypad, which, with xt9 is awesome tbh.
The pin "part" is ofc true, but if you have programs loading at the boot, how can you expect to do it all at once, just wait 10 more seconds for the programs to load and then the pin can be entered.
The sunlight in the screen is indeed a big damn flaw, I can perfectly see my n80 at the sun, but the Kaiser is impossible to read, sometimes I can't even tell if the screen is on or off, cuz you just can't see a thing.
As for the screen "response", well mine works well, I play and type fairly much and I rarely have problems with it, I suggest messing with the "pressure threshold" settings, maybe you have it too high.
I believe I nearly went blind trying to read that rant. He does have a point, but the problems are a bit exagerated.
Why does this type of thread constantly come up? If you don't like the phone, return it, sell it or throw it away and buy one you like. This type of thread has nothing to do with XDA-Developers. Notice the word Developers in the name? Has this thread provided any useful information or has it just added to the mass of useless threads?
i like my touch screen and everything else about my tilt. Now where r those video drivers... (couldn't resist as this is the only flaw imo)
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Of course YMMV and IMHO etc. But really, can you honestly type in numbers accurately at faster than approximately one per second on the touch screen?
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Yes, for the most part I can.
Are you sure that chick at the supermarket lost her phone? Or was she discreetly giving you her phone number and you couldn't type it in? So much for a phone hampering your game.
Man the Kaiser forums are way more fun than the Polaris ones.
To be fair the Kaiser was not designed from the ground up to be finger friendly. Yeah they lack capacitive screens, but I didn't find the Hermes all that bad, neither is the Cruise. The Cruise is a bit better because it's flush, so touching the edges of the screen is much better.
I have no problems with my Touch Screen. With a few tweeks I have got it to a level that works well.
Id like to make a example. Its called consumer research. For instance, when you go to AT&T and are interested in purchasing a Cell Phone, What do you do? Well I for instance, use the product and see if I like it. Now when you go to AT&T you wouldn't just say give me a tilt because it looks cool, at least I would hope not. You use it, take it home and you have 30 days to return it.
There is really no reason why a thread like this should even exist. The kaiser/tilt is a very unique device. I could go on for 10 hours about it. To me the video driver situation is not a problem, i would however like it to respond quicker but I have become used to it, as i don't watch video on it. But this thread is about the touch screen, so out of respect to the originator of this thread ill stay on topic.
Hopefully all of you by now realize the difference between a Resistance and capacitance touch screen, to simplify the Iphone is capacitance the kaiser is a resistance. A resistive has a bunch of resistors under the screen and when pressure is applied the specific area the resistor shorts out making the screen realize the area of the screen to respond to. A capacitance touch screen responds to the biometrics (the electric current we all have in our bodies) so as you run your finger over one of these screens it follows, and is more accurate than a resistance screen.
So when you are at any local wireless store and try the difference between the two devices. Furthermore if your so unhappy with the device that you so decided to purchase then sell it, there is no reason to spend a bunch of money on a device that you are not happy with. I also believe (and again no disrespect to the author of this thread) many people that complain right off the bat about the GUI or the overall performance of this or any other device, is just jumping on a "bandwagon" without knowing all the technical details.
So if your unhappy, you have two options.
1. Keep the device and, tweak it, customize it and make it uniquely yours. and by doing so complimenting the "seniors" and "chiefs" for working so hard to DEVELOP the software to make it better.
2. Return it or sell it and do RESEARCH and buy a device/phone that you are happy with.
P.S. Many people work very hard here creating software to help you, the user. Post's like this can be very disrespectfull to the people that help you.
^^^ touche, i'm sick of reading "my kaiser suxx omg !!one" threads, enough with the *****ing already.
While we all appreciate that the OP is entitled to his own opinions, it's clear to me that the premise of this thread is not going to lead the forum anywhere except to yet another *****fest, which will eventually lead to closing this thread.
Why wait till then...
Is it everyone or is it only me?
When I use the camera, I feel that the camera only captures about 2-3 seconds after. The camera is very slow too, why is this?
Any tweak to make the camera captures image instantly?
Here's a couple of reg hacks that I use.
[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Software\HTC\Camera\Captparam]
"EnableCapKeyDelay"=dword:00000000
[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Software\HTC\Camera\General]
"DisableShutterSound"=dword:00000001
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Hello everyone,
Since I (like most of us, I guess...) don't like others messing up with my personal data, and since a phone is by its handheld nature prone to theft, I started using the "Device Lock" option: The idea was that if I have the bad luck that somebody steals (or even simply messes around) with my TD2, at least he won't be able to see anything inside it, as he will have to hard reset it to access it.
However, I was very underwhelmed when I read somewhere that the type of password I use (simple PIN), is subject to breaking via brute-force attack. This was really bad news for me, since the other type of password (strong alphanumeric) is totally useless, since it is completely cumbersome to use: The phone locks at each power off, so one is obliged to enter 7 characters every time he wants to access his phone, with the added twist that they have to include numbers or punctuation, meaning that the keyboard has also to be switched every time... Especially if you are in hurry (and since this is a phone, there are times that you ARE in a hurry), the alphanumeric keyboard is totally inappropriate...
I would like therefore someone to explain the extent of the vulnerability of the PIN passwordand whether it can be broken by somebody with average knowledge in these things: If it cannot, then I am happy with it, since I do not have any important secrets on my phone, and therefore no world-class hacker will probably have ever any interest in me . If it can though, then there is no need to use Device Lock, anyway...
Since the last few days I've been getting some strange issues with my touchscreen. Sometimes parts of the screen (or the full screen) do not respond, and even the softbuttons are affected. When I take the phone out of my pocket, it either responds normally (I use pattern lock) or tries to use the emergency dialer or emergency contacts, and sometimes even tries to call a number from the emergency dialer (number 2 and luckily not 112..)
When in the launcher, it sometimes opens an app (like my calendar) and slowly scrolls either sideways or vertically. Turning the screen off and on again once or twice usually solves it for a (short) while.
I've already read some threads about it and ruled out the following causes:
The phone is not connected to any charger when this happens.
It still happens after cleaning the screen (just with a cloth, no liquids)
It still happens after disabling CPU Tuner. I didn't overlock the system, but used some custom power settings and different governors which apparently can also affect this behaviour.
The battery is still original since nowadays I prefer to use external chargers instead of buying a big battery for every new phone
The only things that changed recently are:
I installed the OwnCloud app, but that doesn't seem related.
We moved to another office building, in which the carpet generates more static electricity.
I gained some weight which may put a bit more pressure in my pant pockets than before
It started happening a few days ago, after using the .215 ICS leak for a few weeks without issue. I seem to get the problem less at home than I do at work, which makes me think it's either the static electricity or CPU governor (since battery percentage is lower by the time I get home again, so it might use a different governor). However, I've been using CPU Tuner for quite some time before this issue started, and the issue persists after disabling it.
So I am guessing it's any of the following causes:
Static electricity
Keeping the phone in my pant pockets which may put some pressure on the screen
A problem with the battery or screen somehow (moisture?)
Some other hardware issue
Some software issue
Does anybody have any tips or other ideas about this? Thanks in advance.
Edit: I enabled some development options to show touch pointer location (white dot) and trails. Screenshot added. Phantom touches seem to be focused in the bottom center part of the phone, which is probably around where I grap it when I take it out of my pocket. Trails usually disappear the next time you touch the screen, but in this case the trails kept growing / adding. I made some real swipes (upper half of the screen) and they 'stuck' without the phone responding to them (the application did not scroll) due to the parallel phantom touches in the bottom. In this case the phantom touches blocked my real input, in other cases they cause some behaviour (scrolling etc.). However, sometimes when the screen is not responding, there are no phantom touches visible in this display mode.
Edit 2:The no-touch input problem seems to be 'triggered' most of the time I open the keyboard. Sometimes this is followed by the phantom touches, but usually they start occuring in the portrait mode lock screen.
Sjaakbanaan said:
Since the last few days I've been getting some strange issues with my touchscreen. Sometimes parts of the screen (or the full screen) do not respond, and even the softbuttons are affected. When I take the phone out of my pocket, it either responds normally (I use pattern lock) or tries to use the emergency dialer or emergency contacts, and sometimes even tries to call a number from the emergency dialer (number 2 and luckily not 112..)
When in the launcher, it sometimes opens an app (like my calendar) and slowly scrolls either sideways or vertically. Turning the screen off and on again once or twice usually solves it for a (short) while.
I've already read some threads about it and ruled out the following causes:
The phone is not connected to any charger when this happens.
It still happens after cleaning the screen (just with a cloth, no liquids)
It still happens after disabling CPU Tuner. I didn't overlock the system, but used some custom power settings and different governors which apparently can also affect this behaviour.
The battery is still original since nowadays I prefer to use external chargers instead of buying a big battery for every new phone
The only things that changed recently are:
I installed the OwnCloud app, but that doesn't seem related.
We moved to another office building, in which the carpet generates more static electricity.
I gained some weight which may put a bit more pressure in my pant pockets than before
It started happening a few days ago, after using the .215 ICS leak for a few weeks without issue. I seem to get the problem less at home than I do at work, which makes me think it's either the static electricity or CPU governor (since battery percentage is lower by the time I get home again, so it might use a different governor). However, I've been using CPU Tuner for quite some time before this issue started, and the issue persists after disabling it.
So I am guessing it's any of the following causes:
Static electricity
Keeping the phone in my pant pockets which may put some pressure on the screen
A problem with the battery or screen somehow (moisture?)
Some other hardware issue
Some software issue
Does anybody have any tips or other ideas about this? Thanks in advance.
Edit: I enabled some development options to show touch pointer location (white dot) and trails. Screenshot added. Phantom touches seem to be focused in the bottom center part of the phone, which is probably around where I grap it when I take it out of my pocket. Trails usually disappear the next time you touch the screen, but in this case the trails kept growing / adding. I made some real swipes (upper half of the screen) and they 'stuck' without the phone responding to them (the application did not scroll) due to the parallel phantom touches in the bottom. In this case the phantom touches blocked my real input, in other cases they cause some behaviour (scrolling etc.). However, sometimes when the screen is not responding, there are no phantom touches visible in this display mode.
Edit 2:The no-touch input problem seems to be 'triggered' most of the time I open the keyboard. Sometimes this is followed by the phantom touches, but usually they start occuring in the portrait mode lock screen.
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clean you phone with an air duster than a alcohol swab make sure you dry it quickly and use 72% not 90%. make sure you get the corners... get a screen protector and apply that as well. then sbf to 217... and wipe data,,,, that should work.
if not it could be the ribbon cable,,, it may be frayed...
how to fix
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1584260
where to get the part
http://cellphone-repair-shop.com/motorola-droid-4-lcd-screen/
myfishbear said:
clean you phone with an air duster than a alcohol swab make sure you dry it quickly and use 72% not 90%. make sure you get the corners... get a screen protector and apply that as well. then sbf to 217... and wipe data,,,, that should work.
if not it could be the ribbon cable,,, it may be frayed...
how to fix
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1584260
where to get the part
http://cellphone-repair-shop.com/motorola-droid-4-lcd-screen/
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Thank you, let me try that. Couldn't find the right alcohol pct. so I'd have to use some generic screen cleaning liquid, would that be okay as well?
My screen was having issues too. So I turned the dot thing on from the dev part as well. The dot seems to freeze as I'm opening my keyboard. And the dot stays frozen in place until I close the scree again. Any ideas on how to fix it? Also if the screen is open and I touch a spot nothing happens, but then when I close the screen it will sense correctly where I touched while it was open.
Sounds like the same problem, so I'm getting the feeling it might be due to the connectors rather than the screen digitizer itself. After cleaning it, I didn't have any issues for a while, but they started occurring again now.
The replacement part is not available right now, a bit expensive, and excludes the price for the required tools which I don't have yet. Warranty may be tricky as I didn't get my phone from Verizon directly. So if it turns out to be a connector issue I will say goodbye to the Droid family and just get another non-QWERTY phone.. at least until Motorola starts selling them (as 'Milestone' since 'Droid' is a Verizon brand) in Europe again. The Droid 4 is the best phone I ever had, this is potentially making it unusable for me though. Glad I didn't order a Lapdock yet!
Motorola will repair your phone for 168... out of warranty and all... I found this cheaper and easier then fixing it myself and guaranteed done right in 5-7 days..
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Mine is still within the one year warranty. So I want to send it in. But I'm afraid they will check for the root stuff and they will consider voiding my warranty because I was rooted. I unrooted and did a factory reset to see if it would fix the issue. So this is my only chance left. I heard clearing the data wouldn't remove the qe process they use to know that I'm rooted. So I'm not sure if its worth the chance.
Flash SBF restores everything to my knowledge. No way to see what happened before the SBF flash.
I read in the original post for the DROID 4 ICS root tool that a sbf will not remove the part that says you were rooted at one point. I checked that first. An sbf flash is really easy. I was really hoping that it would work.
they dont take the time to check that stuff... if you sbf they wont know a thing...
bty found what u need on the cheap
Motorola DROID 4 XT894 Flex Cable Ribbon 27$
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Motorola-DROID-4-XT894-Flex-Cable-Ribbon-/150849219594
If they don't check it then why should I even bother? Does an sbf change something a factory reset doesn't? I've already reset it. I'll look into the fix though. It will depend on if I have the tools to do it or not.
SBF/fastboot will revert rom changes.
About that ribbon cable how would that work as the lcd is fused to the cable?
The Old One said:
SBF/fastboot will revert rom changes.
About that ribbon cable how would that work as the lcd is fused to the cable?
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Cant be... it is glued in place and has connectors... how else could he sell you the cable by itself... http://www.ifixit.com/Teardown/Motorola-Droid-4-Teardown/7759/1
Just to weigh in on the whole root checking thing, SBFing or fastbooting back to stock DOES NOT remove evidence of root. qe still picks it up somehow in stock recovery.
That being said, they cannot void your hardware warranty for software modifications, it's the law (in the U.S.)
Of course, if you somehow softbrick your phone, they have no obligation to help you.
Edit: Just to clarify, I tried this myself just this morning. Full SBF back to stock + a factory reset, and qe shows 0/1, which indicates currently unrooted but previously rooted. No idea how their security works, but it does.
podspi said:
Just to weigh in on the whole root checking thing, SBFing or fastbooting back to stock DOES NOT remove evidence of root. qe still picks it up somehow in stock recovery.
That being said, they cannot void your hardware warranty for software modifications, it's the law (in the U.S.)
Of course, if you somehow softbrick your phone, they have no obligation to help you.
Edit: Just to clarify, I tried this myself just this morning. Full SBF back to stock + a factory reset, and qe shows 0/1, which indicates currently unrooted but previously rooted. No idea how their security works, but it does.
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your right but most ppl dont inspect the phone that hardcore... it takes time, and time is money
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myfishbear said:
your right but most ppl dont inspect the phone that hardcore... it takes time, and time is money
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I agree it's probably not anything most people need to worry about... I still plan on sending my D4 in before the warranty is up, I've been having terrible wifi + 4G drops, even on stock (that's why I fastbooted in the first place)
I am a bit nervous though, because I've heard horror stories about Moto replacements. That being said, if Ops phone is under warranty, I'd send it in rather than trying to repair it. If it isn't under warranty, then I'd go for the flex cable, the Moto phones are built well and reasonably easy to work on.
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I probably have some kind of warranty with the seller, not with Moto directly as I have no way of obtaining a QWERTY phone from them (they don't sell those in Europe for some reason). But I really can't miss my phone for an extended period of time, so I'd either need to switch to an old one while I'm waiting, or get a new one.
Since I don't have the tools available to open the phone properly and I don't want to spend any more money on this thing, I'll probably sit it out until it breaks. For now, switching the screen on and off one or two times seems to 'solve' it.
Sjaakbanaan said:
I probably have some kind of warranty with the seller, not with Moto directly as I have no way of obtaining a QWERTY phone from them (they don't sell those in Europe for some reason). But I really can't miss my phone for an extended period of time, so I'd either need to switch to an old one while I'm waiting, or get a new one.
Since I don't have the tools available to open the phone properly and I don't want to spend any more money on this thing, I'll probably sit it out until it breaks. For now, switching the screen on and off one or two times seems to 'solve' it.
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all u need is a $0.60 guitar pic and a t5 screwdriver(can find at home improvement store). none of those silly tools they try to sell you help that much
myfishbear said:
all u need is a $0.60 guitar pic and a t5 screwdriver(can find at home improvement store). none of those silly tools they try to sell you help that much
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I still have tons of guitar picks so I just ordered a Torx set for this and future problems.. hope that pushing the connector around a bit can solve it already.
One important security-related difference I have noticed after installing this ROM over the stock ROM I had:
On my stock ROM, holding down the power/sleep button on the lock screen used to do NOTHING. I had to unlock my phone (with the pattern lock) before I could power off the phone.
On this ROM, I can power off the phone even when it is locked.
If a thief steals my phone, I want to be able to track them as long as possible. As the HTC One does not have an easily removable battery, they would not be able to power off the phone or its data connection with my lockscreen password. On this ROM, that security feature is gone.
I'm hoping this is just an obscure setting somewhere, but I already tried checking in Settings -> Security and Settings -> Power. Can anyone give me some insight into this?
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If a thief steals my phone, I want to be able to track them as long as possible. As the HTC One does not have an easily removable battery, they would not be able to power off the phone or its data connection with my lockscreen password. On this ROM, that security feature is gone.
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There is a Xposed module that can be used instead of the one in this ROM that has exactly what you are concerned.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2594642
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ZippyDan said:
One important security-related difference I have noticed after installing this ROM over the stock ROM I had:
On my stock ROM, holding down the power/sleep button on the lock screen used to do NOTHING. I had to unlock my phone (with the pattern lock) before I could power off the phone.
On this ROM, I can power off the phone even when it is locked.
If a thief steals my phone, I want to be able to track them as long as possible. As the HTC One does not have an easily removable battery, they would not be able to power off the phone or its data connection with my lockscreen password. On this ROM, that security feature is gone.
I'm hoping this is just an obscure setting somewhere, but I already tried checking in Settings -> Security and Settings -> Power. Can anyone give me some insight into this?
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if your phone is stolen, this is your friend. google.com/android/devicemanager just log in with your e-mail and you're good to go
ZippyDan said:
One important security-related difference I have noticed after installing this ROM over the stock ROM I had:
On my stock ROM, holding down the power/sleep button on the lock screen used to do NOTHING. I had to unlock my phone (with the pattern lock) before I could power off the phone.
On this ROM, I can power off the phone even when it is locked.
If a thief steals my phone, I want to be able to track them as long as possible. As the HTC One does not have an easily removable battery, they would not be able to power off the phone or its data connection with my lockscreen password. On this ROM, that security feature is gone.
I'm hoping this is just an obscure setting somewhere, but I already tried checking in Settings -> Security and Settings -> Power. Can anyone give me some insight into this?
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I have found avast make such an app that your after I can't get URL at the moment but search through the play store for avast rooted and stolen, I will see if I can get you a link
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.avast.android.antitheft_setup
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if your phone is stolen, this is your friend. google.com/android/devicemanager just log in with your e-mail and you're good to go
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Didn't know about this, thanks. But it is useless if the phone is OFF (I just tested).
Madaz2 said:
I have found avast make such an app that your after I can't get URL at the moment but search through the play store for avast rooted and stolen, I will see if I can get you a link
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.avast.android.antitheft_setup
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I already have a paid subscription to Avast Anti-Theft and it is installed on my rooted HTC. I appreciate the suggestion but you are entirely missing my point. It is BECAUSE I have installed tracking software on my phone that I am so concerned about someone being able to turn off the phone at the lockscreen. Avast is slightly more useful than the google device manager because it can keep a historical record of where your phone has been, but it is still not very useful in finding a stolen phone if the phone is OFF and not transmitting current data about where the phone is!!
Thela7 said:
There is a Xposed module that can be used instead of the one in this ROM that has exactly what you are concerned.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2594642
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This looks good, but I am left uncertain about whether it would work on this phone. Browsing the thread reveals this information:
Confirmed Working Devices/Firmwares
HTC devices: HTC One X 4.2.2 stock Rom with Sense 5
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Promising, except we are on 4.4 now. And the thread also indicates there were problems getting it working with Sony devices after 4.3 which had to be fixed in a separate mod. I also see this note:
A user has reported that sound options disappear when using this mod on HTC One. I currently have no idea why this happens, and I'm too busy to figure it out at this moment. Sorry.
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I already have a paid subscription to Avast Anti-Theft and it is installed on my rooted HTC. I appreciate the suggestion but you are entirely missing my point. It is BECAUSE I have installed tracking software on my phone that I am so concerned about someone being able to turn off the phone at the lockscreen. Avast is slightly more useful than the google device manager because it can keep a historical record of where your phone has been, but it is still not very useful in finding a stolen phone if the phone is OFF and not transmitting current data about where the phone is!!
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yeah, but IF you have lost or had your phone stolen i was pretty sure if they take out your sim and put in a new one the phone will go into stolen mode and features will be disabled
Madaz2 said:
yeah, but IF you have lost or had your phone stolen i was pretty sure if they take out your sim and put in a new one the phone will go into stolen mode and features will be disabled
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I'm not worried about that. In my opinion, the first few hours after a theft are the most crucial (in fact, the first hour while he is escaping to his den). What I'm worried about is the thief IMMEDIATELY turning off the phone after it gets stolen, and then having the phone wiped at his leisure.
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I'm not worried about that. In my opinion, the first few hours after a theft are the most crucial (in fact, the first hour while he is escaping to his den). What I'm worried about is the thief IMMEDIATELY turning off the phone after it gets stolen, and then having the phone wiped at his leisure.
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What if the thief just turns airplane mode on? Does avast override it?
ZippyDan said:
One important security-related difference I have noticed after installing this ROM over the stock ROM I had:
On my stock ROM, holding down the power/sleep button on the lock screen used to do NOTHING. I had to unlock my phone (with the pattern lock) before I could power off the phone.
On this ROM, I can power off the phone even when it is locked.
If a thief steals my phone, I want to be able to track them as long as possible. As the HTC One does not have an easily removable battery, they would not be able to power off the phone or its data connection with my lockscreen password. On this ROM, that security feature is gone.
I'm hoping this is just an obscure setting somewhere, but I already tried checking in Settings -> Security and Settings -> Power. Can anyone give me some insight into this?
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Holding down the power button for 10 seconds will always simulate a battery pull on the one whatever lock screen you have.
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Holding down the power button for 10 seconds will always simulate a battery pull on the one whatever lock screen you have.
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then pray that the thief doesn't know about this :silly:
But yea, I think it's important to have long-press power button disabled when the phone is locked.
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Promising, except we are on 4.4 now. And the thread also indicates there were problems getting it working with Sony devices after 4.3 which had to be fixed in a separate mod. I also see this note:
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Ah k. Yeah, I'm still using 4.3 so I don't know about if it works on KitKat.
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ZippyDan said:
Didn't know about this, thanks. But it is useless if the phone is OFF (I just tested).
I already have a paid subscription to Avast Anti-Theft and it is installed on my rooted HTC. I appreciate the suggestion but you are entirely missing my point. It is BECAUSE I have installed tracking software on my phone that I am so concerned about someone being able to turn off the phone at the lockscreen. Avast is slightly more useful than the google device manager because it can keep a historical record of where your phone has been, but it is still not very useful in finding a stolen phone if the phone is OFF and not transmitting current data about where the phone is!!
This looks good, but I am left uncertain about whether it would work on this phone. Browsing the thread reveals this information:
Promising, except we are on 4.4 now. And the thread also indicates there were problems getting it working with Sony devices after 4.3 which had to be fixed in a separate mod. I also see this note:
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I am not aware of anything that can be helpful if your phone is off... Every app or software will require a satellite or cell tower ak or echo request in order to find your phone. if you can find anything that magically can turn your powered off device on and you're able to track, lock or delete it, I think the entire community will love you
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I am not aware of anything that can be helpful if your phone is off... Every app or software will require a satellite or cell tower ak or echo request in order to find your phone. if you can find anything that magically can turn your powered off device on and you're able to track, lock or delete it, I think the entire community will love you
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I don't know how you guys keep misinterpreting me I know nothing is useful when the phone is turned off. This is exactly why I am so eager to make sure it is impossible or at least more difficult for a thief to turn off my phone from the lockscreen, so that it STAYS ON so that I can track it.
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I don't know how you guys keep misinterpreting me I know nothing is useful when the phone is turned off. This is exactly why I am so eager to make sure it is impossible or at least more difficult for a thief to turn off my phone from the lockscreen, so that it STAYS ON so that I can track it.
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Ah I see, it's my understanding that holding the power button for about 15-30 seconds will power off your device no matter what. As sad as that is, I think it should be that way because if for any reason your phone locks up while asleep and you cannot wake it up, you should be able to turn it off. otherwise, if it gets stolen and the thief cannot turn it off, simply removing the SIM card will render any security feature useless until the phone battery is fully discharged and he can charge, enter recovery and wipe it...
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What if the thief just turns airplane mode on? Does avast override it?
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Avast does have an option (only when rooted I believe) to automatically activate WiFi and Cellular data even if turned off.
Of course, if you have a lockscreen this does not even matter as they would not be able to turn it off.
There is another option to have the device automatically search for open WiFi's and join automatically. I'm not sure if this is part of Avast or AndroidLost as I have both installed.
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Holding down the power button for 10 seconds will always simulate a battery pull on the one whatever lock screen you have.
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If this 10-second press is a hardware-limitation (as in there is no way for a ROM to override this), then so be it. But I would like that to be confirmed.
But what I am mainly asking for, at the very least, is that the 3 or 4 second power button hold be disabled when on the lockscreen. I know for sure that this has changed from whichever stock version I was running to this latest Revolution ROM I am running now.
10-seconds is a long time to hold the power button, and as a thief may not know about this feature (and it might be different for every brand or model), they might give up before they hit the 10-second mark. For example, I think the Sleep + Home button hard reset for the iPhone is much more widely known, but it also requires only like 5 or 6 seconds of holding.
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If this 10-second press is a hardware-limitation (as in there is no way for a ROM to override this), then so be it. But I would like that to be confirmed.
But what I am mainly asking for, at the very least, is that the 3 or 4 second power button hold be disabled when on the lockscreen. I know for sure that this has changed from whichever stock version I was running to this latest Revolution ROM I am running now.
10-seconds is a long time to hold the power button, and as a thief may not know about this feature (and it might be different for every brand or model), they might give up before they hit the 10-second mark. For example, I think the Sleep + Home button hard reset for the iPhone is much more widely known, but it also requires only like 5 or 6 seconds of holding.
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The 10-second press is a hardware thing. All HTC One's have it, regardless of what model. This is because of the non-removable battery, so that you can simulate a battery pull should need be, as mentioned already. I'm sorry, there is no way around this. And trust me, you would rather have that feature should your phone become unresponsive. THAT is more likely to happen than a thief stealing a phone. The only times I've ever heard of someone stealing a phone is when someone is careless with where they leave their device. Just be cautious and don't leave it in stupid places. Simple.
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The 10-second press is a hardware thing. All HTC One's have it, regardless of what model. This is because of the non-removable battery, so that you can simulate a battery pull should need be, as mentioned already. I'm sorry, there is no way around this. And trust me, you would rather have that feature should your phone become unresponsive. THAT is more likely to happen than a thief stealing a phone. The only times I've ever heard of someone stealing a phone is when someone is careless with where they leave their device. Just be cautious and don't leave it in stupid places. Simple.
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Well put.
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The 10-second press is a hardware thing. All HTC One's have it, regardless of what model. This is because of the non-removable battery, so that you can simulate a battery pull should need be, as mentioned already. I'm sorry, there is no way around this. And trust me, you would rather have that feature should your phone become unresponsive. THAT is more likely to happen than a thief stealing a phone. The only times I've ever heard of someone stealing a phone is when someone is careless with where they leave their device. Just be cautious and don't leave it in stupid places. Simple.
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Well put.
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Terribly put. I accept the 10-second press. Let me return to my original concern which is the much shorter 3 - 5 second which now allows the phone to be turned off from the lockscreen with an on-screen menu. I would like that gone.
The second part of the post is uninformed at best or arrogant at worst. The OP is probably speaking from the point of view of a first-world resident.
I live in a third-world country. I have had a iPhone 5 that was stolen from me by two men wearing helmets who drove an untagged motorcycle onto a sidewalk just to snatch the phone out of my hand. On a public bus, I was sandwiched by 3 men just so that one could pickpocket my HTC Desire (a 3-year old backup phone) from behind. When I confronted them, I was punched and left bloody so I let them go (valuing my life over a phone).
I have another friend who has lost two iPhone 5's. Once, she was pickpocketed in a crowded mall. Another time, she was walking on the street near a public metro station with her phone clutched to her chest. A man grabbed her arm as she was passing and threw her to the ground. Afterwards he ran across a busy divided highway into a slum area.
I just met a foreigner here who was riding in the back seat of a taxi while using his Galaxy S4. The taxi suddenly stopped and two men armed with guns and knives jumped into the taxi from both sides. The taxi then continued moving. His quick reactions allowed him to escape by jumping out a window while the taxi was moving. He showed me his scrapes and bruises. Unfortunately, he had to leave the phone behind, but he may have avoided being kidnapped.
I have another friend who has a brother whose entire bus was robbed of their phones at gunpoint.
I could go on. All of these instances have occurred in both poor and very nice areas, and the nature of this country is that utter poverty and extravagant wealth are often located side by side. It might sound like a hellhole, but most days are perfectly normal, and some are wonderful, even in a third-world country. You learn to live with the badness, but it still makes sense to take proactive measures just in case.
There are other measures I can take as well: I usually use a much cheaper "decoy" phone in public. I try to ride the metro more than taxis and taxis more than buses. I try to always keep my valuables in a bag in front of me instead of in my pockets. When riding a taxi, I try to always make a note of the taxi number and lock all the doors from the inside. But you can't seriously blow me off and tell me to be 100% vigilant all the time. Sometimes I forget one of these precautions because I am in a rush or my mind is preoccupied with other things. And the nature of the modern world dictates that I use my phone constantly throughout the day, for both professional and social reasons, just as I am sure you do.
The fact is the probability that my phone will get stolen here is much higher than in other places, even if I am not careless with where I leave the phone, because people are seeking to actively rob others, and it is extremely unrealistic to expect that I keep my guard up 100% of the time.
Additionally, my work involves frequent travel, and requires me to do lots of work and communication on the internet. Therefore, a fast, powerful smartphone is a necessity for me to put bread in my mouth.
Now, you may understand why my perspective is that the security features on my costly and essential phone are so important. Your perspective is probably from some rich, relatively safe country in Europe, the USA, or Asia. I hope I have educated you on the fact that the world does not revolve around your socioeconomic situation.
I will be honest and say that your post irritated me, but I have tried to keep my post civil and explain why your response is pretentious and insulated idealism. If you still want to lecture me from your world about how I can magically solve the problems of my very different and more dangerous world by simply being "cautious", I will have just two very small words to gift you.
Good God, can we please stay on topic of this fantastic Rom and what's coming soon?!
If you have issues with how HTC have developed their phone, please take it to the Questions & Answers section ?
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Hi,
I've got an old HTC One Mini 2 phone which I'd like to check before recycling but I'm struggling to remember the pattern.
I've read loads about recovering like typing loads of #'s into the emergency dialer but none of them seem to work. The phone has S on and ADB isn't enabled, are there any solutions I can try?
Thanks in advance,
Jim
Probably not going to happen. If you backed up the data when you were using just write off.
If you relax and give it a few days the imprinted pattern will probably come to you as you used it hundreds if not thousands of times; it's still in your memory.
I learned long ago that physical possession is the best security. Don't be lazy about this, do it 24/7 like it's your right hand.
Passwords don't care who they lock out, worse a bios or drive failure with password encryption can make accessing -your- data exponentially more difficult if not impossible.
After many months I managed to acquire a Xpin Clip with pattern adapter which took just over a week to crack the 9 point pattern.
The moral of the story is, don't forget your pattern as there are just over 140k possible combinations which could take months to brute force