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Hi all,
To anyone out there who has tried all three of what look like to be the best Rhodium ROMs here currently - which one would you recommend and why?
Miri - http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=552643
At0mAng - http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=555747
NRGZ28 - http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=553506
I'm about to load my first ROM and any feedback on which one would has the best stability with working Exchange 2007 + BT integration would be appreciated.
Many thanks
PS - pls no more "just read their threads" posts, have done that already and keen to get any first hand feedback
Let's see! All the information you want is in that respective thread! If you read them, then you wont need to ask. Also ROM performance depends on what you install and where you live! So you really cant compare what other users say.
Just read, flash and enjoy!
mougins said:
PS - pls no more "just read their threads" posts, have done that already and keen to get any first hand feedback
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Seriously; the previous poster is right: it's all a matter of personal taste. You honestly can only judge for yourself, and your type of usage of your device.
Besides, there are more cooks, you forgot some ROMS in your list
Again: just flash, use the rom for a few hours, and try another one... after a while you will see what cook fits your need the best
I personally prefer At0mang's ROM's they are fast and stable and good for everyday use
Like anyone needs to ask...my ROM of course
My 2 cents
Hi
I tried all, and the Best as per my experience is Miri.
1- Not a single button push or option made my TP2 freeze. Other ROMs made it freeze. In one of the ROMs, the "other" button in the manila settings page made it freeze every time i click it
2- Other ROMs have built in software that did not work. One of the ROMs had "Bluetooth explorer" and "bluetooth wizard", and none of those could switch on bluetooth !!!! My experience is based on flashing more than once
3- The only thing that lacks Miri is modifying the icons on the taskbar to make them more eye candy (bluetooth, wifi, battery, GSM, speaker,...)
Rgds
Raed
NRG might get the upper hand just because of his visuals.
Other then that, I think all is great.
udK rom....
Honestly speaking Miri's and B16B is the best ROM i ever tried. Well it depends on your requirements better try ALL and select which one is suitable for your TP2.
For me I'm still using the Shipped ROM + Hero Toch
I have to agree about the visuals, not only does NRG make a stable rom but its got everything you need pre loaded and looks fantastic, all other roms are still genius work, but still using NRG'S
On a serious note
The only ROM's I would use are my ROMs or NRG's ROMs. At least we do something creative with our ROMs and not just package up OEM crap.
How about getting a little orginal and also learning how to port a build instead of using the OEM sys. Oh yeah that is too much work without asking for help and then dropping people once you get what you want
lorgem said:
Honestly speaking Miri's and B16B is the best ROM i ever tried. Well it depends on your requirements better try ALL and select which one is suitable for your TP2.
For me I'm still using the Shipped ROM + Hero Toch
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thanks m8 because i do not see nowhere my rom
i think because is not compared with the others..
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The only ROM's I would use are my ROMs or NRG's ROMs. At least we do something creative with our ROMs and not just package up OEM crap.
How about getting a little orginal and also learning how to port a build instead of using the OEM sys. Oh yeah that is too much work without asking for help and then dropping people once you get what you want
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Porting a ROM is not an easy thing!...I know exactly what u mean...
You'll notice that there aren't a lot of "which rom is best" threads, because they're terribly subjective and often lead to a lot of bickering. As such, it's standard policy to close these types of threads.
What I miss at this forum, is a ROM with a honest, complete list of known bugs/non-working stuff.
Would like to see some quality-control, and know what I install - before I do.
Everybody is cooking ROM's (and that's nice) but there's no way to know how they will work before trying.
-its impossible to read thru >200 posts and figure out which of those are about the current version.
-recent posts are sometimes about earlier versions too...
Please: I hope some of you that des this nice job will focus on information about quality, and keep a "buglist" for each version..
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What I miss at this forum, is a ROM with a honest, complete list of known bugs/non-working stuff.
Would like to see some quality-control, and know what I install - before I do.
Everybody is cooking ROM's (and that's nice) but there's no way to know how they will work before trying.
-its impossible to read thru >200 posts and figure out which of those are about the current version.
-recent posts are sometimes about earlier versions too...
Please: I hope some of you that des this nice job will focus on information about quality, and keep a "buglist" for each version..
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I agree 100% Buglists are a must. Roms shouldn't be released with alot of bugs unless stated by the op.
husker91 said:
I agree 100% Buglists are a must. Roms shouldn't be released with alot of bugs unless stated by the op.
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I think the point you're missing is that the bugs only become apparent after others flash the ROMs and do some testing.....
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apparent after others flash the ROMs and do some testing.....
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nope - the author/or a helper is in the ultimate position to read the feedback, verify, and make a list in the first article containing these bugs.
i did not say that the cook should know about every bug before releasing.
maintain a list, and verify it against next version.
-the only way to have some quality control...
I agree with the sentiment - for those of us who only flash their phones maybe once a month, it would be nice to know a ROM is ultra stable and all known bugs / oddities have been sorted. (or if not, then a comprehensive list of things that are broken, with any workarounds etc) Reading through thousands of posts takes hours and not everybody has the time or inclination for that.
For instance both WM and Manila (and others) are under very active development, there are always new versions coming out. While it would be unreasonable to expect the beta WM builds (23xxx, 28xxx) to be 100% stable, it would be nice for a cook or two to say "right, this combination of components is stable, I'm going to stick with these for a while" instead of always following the very latest cutting edge "LOOK, SHINY TOYS!" at the risk of stability.
As for stability I am currently on JoshKoss's latest (1.7) and have yet to experience a single error, crash or hang. And Josh's seem to be the fastest ROMs, definitely of the ones I have experienced anyway. There are a few minor inconsistencies but these are in no way critical. If you want stable I would not even consider Manila 2.5 or any of the "start menu at the bottom" ROMs.
Have you tried AthineOS ROMS? Very fast, very stable. The current Leo 2.02 based ROM is the fastest Sense 2.5 ROM I've tried (and I've tried them all) and stable enough for hassle-free day to day use.
Guyz As far as my experience goes no cook likes to hide the bug list, rather they work to bring more in the light. Users like us are expected to give our submissions. Thats how it works. Things like quality control is not what we have seen here since its not GM factory but a place to share & experiment & success & failure is part of that place.
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nope - the author/or a helper is in the ultimate position to read the feedback, verify, and make a list in the first article containing these bugs.
i did not say that the cook should know about every bug before releasing.
maintain a list, and verify it against next version.
-the only way to have some quality control...
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I completely disagree. At the rate new builds are released, and with so many new tweaks and items going into ROMs, I think it would take forever for the chef and a select few beta testers to try and figure out all or most bugs in a ROM. I use Arrups ROMs, and he discloses everything that he can, but ultimately its not the chefs responsibility to create a "perfect" rom for Al Capone is it? Everyone uses different applications which can affect the stability of a ROM completely-for example Opera beta 10. I think its much more efficient to have them release the ROMs and let lots of people try and break them, then come back and fix it. And when bugs arise the are put on a "bug list" to be fixed.
We would never see new ROM releases for months if we waited for chefs to perfect stuff. So the people who just flash and leach ROMs cant help out a little?
Since you are so anxious about having a perfect ROM, why dont you have a go at it? Or is *****ing easier?
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As for stability I am currently on JoshKoss's latest (1.7) and have yet to experience a single error, crash or hang. And Josh's seem to be the fastest ROMs, definitely of the ones I have experienced anyway. There are a few minor inconsistencies but these are in no way critical. If you want stable I would not even consider Manila 2.5 or any of the "start menu at the bottom" ROMs.
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X2, This is a very stable ROM. I have been running it close to 2 weeks with no real issues & haven't had to soft reset because of a glitch or hang up.
I have to chime in here and agree with the sentiment of this thread. The application of it is much more difficult that it seems. I have been down this road before, trying to get the chefs to post a comprehensive bug list for their ROMs and while they are willing to do it, it is VERY difficult to tell what is a real bug and what is OE (operator error), confusion caused by loading some application, etc that really isn't a bug or a real bug.
For example, I have been running Sergio76's EVO 3 ROM for sometime now, and have absolutely nothing bad to say about it. Stable as hell, fast, good memory, good battery etc. But some of the other users of the same ROM find 'bugs' mostly caused by putting different shells on, or trying to icon sets.
So, my point is BRAVO! this needs to be done, but let's have a good discussion of how to categorize what is a bug, what is an incompatibility, etc. Because, if we simply list all these things as bugs then we run the risk of scaring folks off of flashing a potentially GREAT ROM all because one or two guys muck it up by hacking the registry and it gets put on a bug list.
I would also like to see a 'standard' way all the chefs list bugs, etc.
Russ
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why dont you have a go at it? Or is *****ing easier?
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bit harsh tbh
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bit harsh tbh
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I was actually holding back a lot. Unfortunately 90% of people on here dont contribute anything and just expect stuff to happen perfectly. If its so easy, then instead of creating an entire thread to talk about problems, why not make a "perfect" Rom and contribute.
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Since you are so anxious about having a perfect ROM, why dont you have a go at it? Or is *****ing easier?
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your own *****ing certainly does not help.
read my lips:
-I do NOT ask for a "perfect" ROM
-I just ask for the cook/helper to browse thru the reply-posts, and add known bugs they can confirm, to the first post - the one that contains the ROM
-So any ROM can have a list of known errors, (the the author confirms)
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your own *****ing certainly does not help.
read my lips:
-I do NOT ask for a "perfect" ROM
-I just ask for the cook/helper to browse thru the reply-posts, and add known bugs they can confirm, to the first post - the one that contains the ROM
-So any ROM can have a list of known errors, (the the author confirms)
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So the chef should worry about reading the 200 posts that you were worried about reading instead of working on ROMs? I am sure that chef mailboxes are full of people reporting bugs on a daily basis.
There are people other than the chefs that have a good deal of experience that help within the thread posts, that free up the chef to continue experimenting and cooking ROMs.
A lot of "common" bugs are specific to builds, such as the landscape issues vs touchflow(sense), or GPS lag which take a lot of time and programming to figure out. These are commonly known across ROMs and builds.
A lot of smaller bugs are from individual customization errors like with S2U2, Opera Beta, lack of knowledge, or custom tweaking.
Chefs, in my opinion, are here to provide a decent platform ROM for us to costimize individually; not to help each individual person with each custom problem they have.
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X2, This is a very stable ROM. I have been running it close to 2 weeks with no real issues & haven't had to soft reset because of a glitch or hang up.
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can u link me up with the x2 rom u speak about?thanks
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can u link me up with the x2 rom u speak about?thanks
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http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=572938
We were on about JoshKoss's ROMs.
I've said this for years, something like bugzilla would be good. Not that I have ever used it but something with a bit of structure you know? Flag bugs by component (ie. Manila footprints tab, lock screen, or whatever) then by ROM so the system will know already if it is ROM specific or not. But it still relies on people adding good data, as the saying goes, "Garbage In Garbage Out". An automated config dump tool would be a good step towards that. (an end-to-end "report bug" app would be awesome) After all I don't know what point release of Manila I'm running (1921? 1922??) because I don't really care unless it breaks, or a newer version has more shiny.
Anyway I said this a while ago and we are still "*****ing" about ROMs at a fairly disorganised level, and yet the cooks continue to work their magic, so it can't be all that bad
From another guy who comes on here with not very much to offer yet continues to leech a new ROM once a month or so
Stop the Madness...
Oh Geez....
Yes, I am one of the lurkers here at XDA, having been flashing my phones for years and not really contributing much to the community.
I have made a New Year's resolution to change that, so I am posting more now.
But look at some of the most popular ROMS....
Within hours of a Chef releasing a new version, there are hundreds of posts about it.
From what I gather, 95% if not more of these guys/gals cook up these ROMs in their spare time. They do it because they like to do it. I don't think anyone here is getting rich cooking up a ROM for my TP2. They all have lives and when there can be 40+ pages of posts within a couple days after they release a new version, I don't expect them to read every single one. Especially where a vast majority are people asking how to flash the ROM, how to change the theme or other posts that a simple search would provide the answer.
Most Chefs do post what was fixed, what was improved and a lot of them post issues in their ROMS.
I have spent hours reading page after page trying to figure out an answer to a issue I have had...knowing I was probably not the only one having it.
Do some Chef's not post as much info as I would like? Yes.
Am I going to berate those Chefs for not doing so? No.
Some of the responsibility has to be on the users. Period.
For example, I was and am a fan of the Energy ROMs. But I SMS an insane amount and the newest Leo interface with the HTC messaging client sucked, period. Not to say NRGZ28's ROMs sucked, quite the contrary, they are great. But did those ROMs fill every need that I specifically had? No.
So, I did some research, and I found in a thread where Agent_47 suggested his ROM because he didn't even cook in the HTC SMS messaging client. So, I looked at his thread, flashed the ROM, and realized that I have had no issues with it and am very happy. Stable, works and I don't have to wait 7 minutes sometimes to send a text to someone!
We are all very lucky to have XDA. We are all very lucky to have the Chefs that spend their own time, and a lot of it, to cook up these excellent ROMs for us to flash.
Instead of complaining about the lack of 'bug lists'...perhaps you could create a tool or set something up to help the Chefs better manage those said lists?
That is the spirit that has and continues to make XDA great, if there is something you want, something that you see lacking, then create a tool to fill that void.
If you don't want to do that, then I suggest getting an iPhone, where you are locked into your OS and a slave to Apple and their constant updates and static interface. Cool device, granted, but I prefer the freedom of flashing, the excitement of trying new interfaces, experimenting with new features and lastly, the great folks here at XDA.
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Spankmeister said:
I suggest getting an iPhone
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Let's not get silly
guys, last few days i'm looking for normal and clean wm6.5 with sence 2.5 . without any useless software and visual tweaks. you know that its not recommendet to flash my device almost everyday to find the rom that I'm looking for, so ... tell me please which one is the one i'm looking for ... tell me your experience with different roms so I can make my choise. Thankx in advance @
check the mine
or one of Donsalari's roms
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or one of Donsalari's roms
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+ 1. Don`s ROMs are, in my opinion, the best for Dimond.
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This kind of question is really depending on personal preference and opinion. Ask ten other members and you are bound to get ten different opinions w/o any detailing information on usage behavior. How to compare that with yours? You won't be able to skip the try&error part on your own.
Problem with opinionated threads is also that they tend to turn south after some time. Therefore I will close it.
I have a suggestion to the DEVs: Instead of making a dillion different but similar ROMS, why not cooperate in building one kickass ROM instead?
There already are two or three kickass ROMs that surround all others and you can easily find examples of developpers working on several ROMS or sharing technical information or pieces of code.
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There already are two or three kickass ROMs that surround all others and you can easily find examples of developpers working on several ROMS or sharing technical informations or pieces of code.
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Sure. But how do I find them? My phone is a work tool and I cannot spend "all day" testing ROMs. If we had one ROM developed or "puzzled" by the developers we would know what ROM to choose.
Backing up apps, nandroid and reconfiguring the device each time takes a LONG time.
You'll find them on the first page of this subforum or look in the ROMS list stickied above.
And anyways, the devs cannot all cooperate with each other as they have their own things to do.
Before there were not enough roms , now there are too many? You guys are hard to please!
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Alex_GP said:
Before there were not enough roms , now there are too many? You guys are hard to please!
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No, it's not too many. It's just to hard to find the best one. Compared to buying a new car: 6-7 almost exactly like cars. Only the color and shape of the headlights differ. Which one to choose? Instead of getting the manufactureres agreeing on the color and shape of the headlights and make one great engine instead.
I love car analogies.
This is not meant as criticism of anyone. Just a wish of getting the "boss ROM" instead of masses of variations of the same ROM.
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No, it's not too many. It's just to hard to find the best one. Compared to buying a new car: 6-7 almost exactly like cars. Only the color and shape of the headlights differ. Which one to choose? Instead of getting the manufactureres agreeing on the color and shape of the headlights and make one great engine instead.
I love car analogies.
This is not meant as criticism of anyone. Just a wish of getting the "boss ROM" instead of masses of variations of the same ROM.
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Well if you want a boss ROM why not stick with the stock ROM with root.
I personally use the latest Wildpuzzle (0.3), it keeps the sense UI which differs from other quality ROMs such as Cyanogen. Wildpuzzle also has the mods and addons I will benefit from such as various UI tweaks and easily flashable extras such as OC kernel (jacobs?)
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"boss ROM"
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CyanogenMod.
well the idea of open source projects is that everyone has access to how things are made etc, resulting in other developers sharing ideas, making better codes.
I hope this is in the right section. But with many roms and so many versions, there isnt a pros and cons rom sheet out there. It would be nice to know what rom is better at this and what rom gives you that. It also would be nice if people could start uploading short video tours of each rom. That way everyone can get a brief look at the appearence and menus each different rom has, to help us decide which we like.
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I hope this is in the right section. But with many roms and so many versions, there isnt a pros and cons rom sheet out there. It would be nice to know what rom is better at this and what rom gives you that. It also would be nice if people could start uploading short video tours of each rom. That way everyone can get a brief look at the appearence and menus each different rom has, to help us decide which we like.
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Check out my ROMS main page. I have a 12 min video right on the home page.
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Check out my ROMS main page. I have a 12 min video right on the home page.
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I'm not seeing any videos at all on your site.
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I'm not seeing any videos at all on your site.
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I am sorry about that. I may have removed it by accident. I also have another site www.phoenix-hq.com The video is definitely on that site.
ryude said:
I'm not seeing any videos at all on your site.
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I also double checked my OP, it is there.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=892973
Just scroll down a bit.
I apologize, it is there. I just had a dumb moment
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I hope this is in the right section. But with many roms and so many versions, there isnt a pros and cons rom sheet out there. It would be nice to know what rom is better at this and what rom gives you that. It also would be nice if people could start uploading short video tours of each rom. That way everyone can get a brief look at the appearence and menus each different rom has, to help us decide which we like.
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That can be a huge undertaking for most devs, not only managing the development of the ROM's, but fielding questions and such. While it's a cool idea, it's not too practical. The ROM's at XDA can change SO quickly, it would be impossible to keep up with attempting to video it. Some of the ROM threads you'll see, don't even have screen shots.
I think the main reason is, most of the ROM's are going to be BASICALLY the same, in terms of operation. Past that; it's going to be functionality, how the dev cooks the ROM, and what he/she puts in it. In the end, it's all visual. Themes, apps, wallpapers, and so on. I could send you videos of the past 10 ROM's I've flashed, and I can tell you, you would be very hard pressed to tell me which ROM is which, just because of how I mod it to suit my needs.
My suggestion is to read the threads, find a dev that is present in the forum, find a thread that is supportive and will allow you to find the answers you need. Then try it. From my experience, each Captivate is a little bit different, and yours my respond a little differently than mine will. You just need to put some time and work into figuring out which one will work for you.
That's not to say that there aren't some ROMs that are wildly different than others. I've certainly flashed a couple ROMs that blew me away with what they had, but that is indeed rare.
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That's not to say that there aren't some ROMs that are wildly different than others. I've certainly flashed a couple ROMs that blew me away with what they had, but that is indeed rare.
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Yeah, that is true.
Adam has a REALLY good thing going with Phoenix. His functionality of the GPS is hands down the best I've seen. The theming is great, but for me, he's good people, the team has alot of pride in the project and it shows in the thread.
Yes and actually the only 2 roms I've ever used that had good GPS were Phoenix and Assonance/Serendity. I can't tell you which is better, I just know that both have working GPS
the best way to know is to try them
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Yes and actually the only 2 roms I've ever used that had good GPS were Phoenix and Assonance/Serendity. I can't tell you which is better, I just know that both have working GPS
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Cezar's Continuum is the best I have seen.
You gotta try each rom out and see which one suits best for you. I'm sure you can try out roms for 30 minutes to an hour when devs have worked on for hours and hours releasing their roms. At least that's how I like to think.
It comes down to how you customize it. all the rims are great, but eventually it boils down to the kernel, modem, scripts, tweaks, and other things you add in yourself. My gps is accurate to FEET in sacramento, and locks in five seconds or less thanks to da_g and his fix. The telus modem helps a ton too. So in the end we all arrive at different roms. Doing video tours would be terrible cause not all roms are the same in the end
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Ok guys we all know this is not the place for this lol. The best way to find the pros and cons of the roms are 2 things. 1. read the thread (I know who whats to have to read for what they are looking for lol j/k) 2. Try it your self and read at least the first page