I saw on another thread that by default HSUPA is disabled. Does anyone know how to enable this?
Thanks in advance...
Do any networks anywhere even have HSUPA? I'm fairly sure its coming this year on most UK networks, but doesn't the US not even have proper 3G?
http://pdadb.net/index.php?m=specs&id=1311
No HSUPA
When I saw this question, I had a feeling that it was a rumoured spec, and then wasn't in the Diamond, but only in the Touch Pro.
Rory
In Germany we have some networks that offer HSUPA (e.g. T-Mobile, Vodafone).
What about the concurrent usage of HSUPA and HSDPA? I recently saw in the xperia x1 datasheet that concurrent usage of both techniques is possible at reduced speed of HSDPA (down to 3,6 MBit/s).
The question is, how does the diamond deal with this? I still wonder why the feature was disabled at all? I currently own a HTC TyTN and also had to enable HSDPA using some hacks. What I realized is a colossal battery consumption when using HSDPA.
So maybe HSUPA was disabled at the diamond for a good reason? Maybe the battery drain is too huge when HSUPA is turned on?
Unfortunately there is still not much reporting about this feature in the forums.
I'm really strugling to understand what you could possibly need HSUPA for on a mobile!
What data could you possibly need to upload at such speed? I imagine they disabled HSUPA to save on battery life. There's so very very few applications of it where you would see a difference.
HKLM\Software\HTC\AdvancedNetwork:
SupportHSUPA <--- set this value to "1", (default values is: "0")
someone1234 said:
I'm really strugling to understand what you could possibly need HSUPA for on a mobile!
What data could you possibly need to upload at such speed? I imagine they disabled HSUPA to save on battery life. There's so very very few applications of it where you would see a difference.
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Please keep in mind that some people (like me) use the device also in connection with a laptop (ICS). Sending a bunch of data from a laptop is not very unlikely.
Surely it might not be essential, but if the device basically supports this feature, I would like to take benefit of it.
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Do I have to reboot the device after the registry change? (I currently do not own the device, therefore I have to ask).
If it's easy to switch it on and off just by registry without reboot, then I have no problem with this as the device is charged while connected via USB. But it would not be very nice if I had to reboot the device everytime I connect and disconnect it from my laptop in order to enable or disable HSUPA.
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HKLM\Software\HTC\AdvancedNetwork:
SupportHSUPA <--- set this value to "1", (default values is: "0")
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Cool, thanks for that.
foo said:
Please keep in mind that some people (like me) use the device also in connection with a laptop (ICS).
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Which is exactly why I need this device... finally I can get rid of my PCMCIA-Data-Card and even better - change from two contract to one+data option.
foo said:
Please keep in mind that some people (like me) use the device also in connection with a laptop (ICS). Sending a bunch of data from a laptop is not very unlikely.
Surely it might not be essential, but if the device basically supports this feature, I would like to take benefit of it.
@SecureGSM
Do I have to reboot the device after the registry change? (I currently do not own the device, therefore I have to ask).
If it's easy to switch it on and off just by registry without reboot, then I have no problem with this as the device is charged while connected via USB. But it would not be very nice if I had to reboot the device everytime I connect and disconnect it from my laptop in order to enable or disable HSUPA.
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You may need a soft reset... You will almost certainly need to switch the phone functionality off and on.
foo said:
Please keep in mind that some people (like me) use the device also in connection with a laptop (ICS). Sending a bunch of data from a laptop is not very unlikely.
Surely it might not be essential, but if the device basically supports this feature, I would like to take benefit of it.
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Yes but sending large amounts of data, or 'serving' large amounts of data is only ever usefull when running services. Since networks use private addresses and you have no access obviously to redirect ports, its kind of useless. There are VERY VERY few reasons to use HSUPA, and i'm sure anyone would struggle to justify any of them to me.
Its a cool acronym, but useless in todays network topologies.
Btw, ICS ontop of the exisiting NAT carried out by the GGSN will cause a myriad of problems with out going source initiated connections.
I have designed and VO'd alot of IP, 2G, 2.5G and 3G equipment, so if you have any questions or queries about the technology i am happy to explain.
My personal view is that enabling HSUPA without a specific need is to your detriment. The power consumption does not justify the minimal increase in upload for typical short packets, even after overhead.
Can anyone tell me the difference between the big bright "H" and the dimmed and smaller "H" that shows on the top menu bar?
I guess it has something to do with this matter discussed in this thread, but I'm not sure.
NOTE: I haven't made any tweak to the phone...yet
HastaSSSS
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Yes but sending large amounts of data, or 'serving' large amounts of data is only ever usefull when running services. Since networks use private addresses and you have no access obviously to redirect ports, its kind of useless. There are VERY VERY few reasons to use HSUPA, and i'm sure anyone would struggle to justify any of them to me.
Its a cool acronym, but useless in todays network topologies.
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I don't get the point. Just imagine you want to send your friends some nice photos of your last vacation or your new favorite MP3 Song(s). Such a song may have about 5-10 MBytes, which takes 3-4 minutes to be transfered using ordinary UMTS (assuming you get 384 kbit/s upload, which is also not always the case).
Sure, you (or your friend) can wait 3-4 Minutes, but HSUPA does the same in less then a minute. And if you want to send more then one song, then you will be really happy having HSUPA.
Next example: I upload all my photo stuff to flickr. I have some Gigabytes of images stored there already and it is a colossal pain in the ass to upload them. I would even consider using HSUPA for this as with 1,4 MBit/s it's faster then my stationary Internet connection. (1 MBit/s upload)
Next example: Uploading an almost 100 MByte Video to YouTube (I've also done this several times). With UMTS you don't want to do this, at least it will be very annoying to wait until it's done. With HSUPA it's not a big deal.
Next example: Online Photo development - no need to explain the advantage of HSUPA here...
So you see, it's not about running a server, it's just about actively sending data (FTP/SCP Client connections, email with attachments, webform uploads (webspace, flickr, youtube, ...), ...)
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Btw, ICS ontop of the exisiting NAT carried out by the GGSN will cause a myriad of problems with out going source initiated connections.
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Might be, but this is what I do now for almost 2 years with my TyTN already. It's okay for me, I can do VPN with the company I work for, access my home-PC using Remote Desktop Connection, surf the net, send emails, use messengers, receive live TV / music via streaming from my home-PC, use SSH Tunnels to get remote access to my home network, use FTP Client connections.
See, there are a lot of possibilities and that's all I want and that's sufficient for a lot of other people as well.
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My personal view is that enabling HSUPA without a specific need is to your detriment. The power consumption does not justify the minimal increase in upload for typical short packets, even after overhead.
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Well, I might have different requirements then you, but I gave you some examples where it absolutely makes sense to have HSUPA.
Yes you're absolutly right, its is usefull for faster uploads, thats basically what it does!
But like i said its only usefull in very specific scenarios, like you described. For normal usage, web, mail (unless you constantly forward large atachments), MMS its not worth it.
What your describing would probably kill your battery in a few hours anyway.
With regards to ICS, you're talking about use the phone as a 'modem', or sharing the phones internet connection with your PC's. This doesnt work the same way as ICS on a pc, its specifically a one to one connection from phone to your PC, so there's no double net. Sorry for the confusion.
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What your describing would probably kill your battery in a few hours anyway.
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The nice thing is that my TyTN and hopefully the Diamond / Touch Pro as well, is charging while connected to the laptop using ICS. So while I'm connected to a laptop I do not care about battery life and when I use the phone in "standalone mode", I don't need HSUPA.
Therefore I would appreciate if it could be easily turned on and off.
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With regards to ICS, you're talking about use the phone as a 'modem', or sharing the phones internet connection with your PC's. This doesnt work the same way as ICS on a pc, its specifically a one to one connection from phone to your PC, so there's no double net. Sorry for the confusion.
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Yes, that's right, but "modem" and ICS is different also when using it on the mobile device:
In Windows Mobile 5 I used a modem application and got the private class A network address from my mobile provider also on the laptop.
In Windows Mobile 6 I use the ICS application and have a new indirection. The laptop get's a private class C address and the mobile device also has the private class A address from the provider.
The provider itself does some additional NAT to translate my private class A address to something valid for the Internet.
e.g.
Provider / Public IP
92.116.25.X (Internet)
10.X.X.X (WAN)
____|______
Mobile Device
10.X.X.X (WAN)
192.168.0.1 ("LAN")
____|_____
Laptop
192.168.0.102 ("LAN")
Sorry for a little bit off topic here.
Saw in above post someone mentioned about Touch Pro & Xperia.
Are they actually same hardware with different clothing. And Xperia uses MicroSD and does not use M2.
Heard somewhere SE engaged some Taiwan company to make M$ Phone.
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Can anyone tell me the difference between the big bright "H" and the dimmed and smaller "H" that shows on the top menu bar?
I guess it has something to do with this matter discussed in this thread, but I'm not sure.
NOTE: I haven't made any tweak to the phone...yet
HastaSSSS
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G = gprs available in area (BTS supports gprs)
E = edge available in area (BTS supports edge)
H = HSDPA available in area (BTS supports HSDPA)
The same letter next to the signal means you're connected using that technology. Same letter with the signal bars changed to arrows means your transfering data using that technology.
Yeah, I know that...
The thing is that sometimes the big "H" becomes just a bit smaller and the white box becomes dimmed...
My first thought would be it shows up when the phone trying to find something...synchronizing, ....
I wish I've taken a screenshot...but it happens randomly...
And then I thought: could it be that the big sharp "H" is when the phone is under HSUPA, and when the "H" is a bit smaller and the box becomes dimmer, than it's under HSDPA?...
Bye
hmm the dimmed one is probabaly a handover.
mouseymousey said:
I saw on another thread that by default HSUPA is disabled. Does anyone know how to enable this?
Thanks in advance...
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I found it in the registy database, and was now given the option to enable it together with HSDPA.
Simply install a reg editor on your Diamond, search for HSUPA, change Value to 1, and you can now enable HSUPA on your Diamond.
I have not tested if it acually makes ha difference, I don't know how ;-)
Or better still flash your rom to the TLR one and its available in the options ie you can enable it or disable it. SAves having to go through the registry to change the setting.
What version of skype mobile works on edge
and what is the rom that allows skype to connect easily
thank you for your answers
IT doesn't work on edge, it should even tell you that. Skype requires a lot of bandwidth to work there for it can't work on the slow edge connection.
DUh
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IT doesn't work on edge, it should even tell you that. Skype requires a lot of bandwidth to work there for it can't work on the slow edge connection.
DUh
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Always got something funny to say ChumleyEX, we really do need a basement for all these post's of the noobus a complete sub forum devoted to the worst of the worst and infact just to keep us all busy, we could have a noob of the week
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IT doesn't work on edge, it should even tell you that. Skype requires a lot of bandwidth to work there for it can't work on the slow edge connection.
DUh
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and what are the devices that work in skype EDGE
pour:elle said:
and what are the devices that work in skype EDGE
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Seriously????
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Seriously????
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**agree**
Ok, first of all its not the device that is causing the issue. Edge is a type of data connection that caps out max speed at about 384 kilobytes a second. Skype needs a faster connection speed than that in order to stream the voice data packets. 3G/ HSDPA is approx 1800 kbps. If you do the math, that makes edge more than 4.5 times SLOWER than 3G ( these are of course maximum theoretical bandwidth speeds in optimum circumstances obviously).
You will NEVER find a phone that can make the edge antennae miraculously make edge jump from 384 kbps to 1800 kbps, as at this point , thats the bottleneck ( the phone antennae as well as the tower )
Its literally like trying to take a 56k dialup modem and stream high quality video which would require a broadband connection........ it just cant handle the data packets in a timely manner.
If you need further assistance in understanding the simple concept of speed and connection type, i strongly urge you to use Google.
Hope this helped you in understanding
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**agree**
Ok, first of all its not the device that is causing the issue. Edge is a type of data connection that caps out max speed at about 384 kilobytes a second. Skype needs a faster connection speed than that in order to stream the voice data packets. 3G/ HSDPA is approx 1800 kbps. If you do the math, that makes edge more than 4.5 times SLOWER than 3G ( these are of course maximum theoretical bandwidth speeds in optimum circumstances obviously).
You will NEVER find a phone that can make the edge antennae miraculously make edge jump from 384 kbps to 1800 kbps, as at this point , thats the bottleneck ( the phone antennae as well as the tower )
Its literally like trying to take a 56k dialup modem and stream high quality video which would require a broadband connection........ it just cant handle the data packets in a timely manner.
If you need further assistance in understanding the simple concept of speed and connection type, i strongly urge you to use Google.
Hope this helped you in understanding
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dealing with my old hermes 200 I connect to skype and I can even use the call option with PC users only problem is that they hear me but I could hear them
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dealing with my old 200 I got a hermes connect to skype and I can even use the call option with PC users only problem is that they got but I could hear not
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That again is due to the network not being able to sustain the data speeds necessary for VOIP. Just because it connected doesnt mean you had it working. I use skype all the time. If I am on 3G and drop to an edge signal, the call quality drops to inaudible breakups.
I answered your question in detail..... I dont see why you are trying to argue a point which makes no sense . If all you are trying to use skype for is typing chat, id look at some other messenger alternatives for skype that would work with edge ( try out fring )
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Always got something funny to say ChumleyEX, we really do need a basement for all these post's of the noobus a complete sub forum devoted to the worst of the worst and infact just to keep us all busy, we could have a noob of the week
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I like the way you think.
I was thinking. SOME of us with sprint tabs dont have data plans and just use the wifi/tether to our phones. would it be possible to use the otherwise useless 3g radio to connect to another device?
I know that this is a rather farfetched idea, but I was thinking that it would be nice to basically turn a 3g enabled device into a 3g transmitter/receiver...the possibilities are endless!
Your imagination is endless, but the hardwareis limited. But keep pitching ideas!
That's a creative idea, but probably not worth the trouble. You'd need to write a custom radio file, build a kernel to talk to your radio file, and build an app to manage the connection. You might have to do some low level configuration to the flash registers on the CDMA chip as well. It might be illegal to hijack the 3g airwaves for peer to peer communication. A cellular device has the ability to broadcast for miles and your rouge signal could interfere with other users, depending on how you modulated the signal.
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That's a creative idea, but probably not worth the trouble. You'd need to write a custom radio file, build a kernel to talk to your radio file, and build an app to manage the connection. You might have to do some low level configuration to the flash registers on the CDMA chip as well. It might be illegal to hijack the 3g airwaves for peer to peer communication. A cellular device has the ability to broadcast for miles and your rouge signal could interfere with other users, depending on how you modulated the signal.
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legality aside, im surprised that there are no projects on this matter.
actually, do they even sell 3g transmitters?
EDIT: ok so basically I think I tried to create a Femtocell out of a cellphone. Interesting tech. wonder if its possible to hack a phone into one.
In the past month or so, I've surpassed 15GB of data due to lots of video streaming and some torrent downloading. Since then, it seems that any time I try to download another torrent, my speeds are throttled to less than 10KB/s. I usually use ADownloader, and find it more convenient and (previously) much faster than from my home connection, but now when I resume a torrent, ALL data suffers, and am unable to even browse the web or run a basic speed test without timing out. As soon as I pause/stop the download, speeds ramp back up. I should note that if I switch to Wifi, and use my home connection, speeds come back up to what I would expect. So it doesn't appear to be an issue with the software.
I haven't noticed anyone pointing this out, but it does seem that they will throttle torrent users. What I don't understand is why throttle to such a ridiculously slow speed? At least bring me down to 3G speeds (~1MB/s). To drop me to less than 10KB/s is an insult.
What's next? Will they throttle heavy Netflix users? Amazon Prime streaming? etc. Is there really not enough bandwidth to go around? I might call Verizon to confirm/deny my findings so I can figure out what they actually care about. I have a feeling I'm not going to get a straight answer, or they will just not know what is actually taking place
Are you using tTorrent or another client that will randomize the port? Try picking another random port, it usually fixes it.
Those apps are not gentle on your wireless modems. I wouldn't necessarily assume it was Verizon doing it.
I had talked to a verizon customer service lady over the phone and asked her about throttling and she say there poloicy is to never throttle there customers connection. she uses her hot spot on here thunderbolt and exceeds 10g all the time and has never seen throttling so I would think more that it was your software like the aboved has mentioned
having a lot of simultaneous connections like torrents do can cause issues with the modem and wireless hardware, I've crashed my router a few times getting too torrent happy, I assume doing it with something that wasn't made really to handles such traffic would cause issues as well.
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Wonder if anyone experienced the same problems as me.
The Wi-fi speeds I am getting is around 30 mb on my nook, although this is a reasonable speed I noticed that it goes down sometimes quite a bit. I belive the nook can only connect to the 2.4g wifi and not the 5g.
In comparison my windows laptop (2.g) gets 50mb
My Iphone gets 55mb and my other Windows tablet gets around 45mb
I now the Nook is quite old now so is it just not able to pick up high fiber-optic speeds or is there a fault somewhere?
Thanks
Yes, the Nook only supports 2.4 GHz 802.11n, with a maximum MCS index of 7.
What does that mean? Wikipedia has a handy table here.
It might look confusing at first, but here is how it works. The maximum data rate depends on three factors (apart from the modulation type):
1. the number of spatial streams (basically antennas, 1-4)
2. whether or not 40 MHz wide channels are supported
3. whether or not short guard intervals (GI) are supported
The WiFi chip in the Nook has only one antenna and supports neither 40 MHz channels nor short GI (at least it's set up that way in our firmwares). Therefore, the maximum achievable data rate is 65 MBit/s.
It can also be lower, if the signal is weak. You can check the current number in Android's WiFi settings, by touching the name of the WiFi you're currently connected to.
However, that's the link speed, the theoretical maximum that also includes WiFi protocol overhead. In practice, you can consider yourself lucky if you achieve about half of that for payload / user data.
So, if your tablet is connected at 65 MBit/s, you can expect a usable data rate of about 32 MBit/s at best (3.8 MiB/s). The final data rate can also be throttled even further by other system components, like bus and CPU speed, etc.
My phone for example also has MCS index 7, but supports 40 MHz, and therefore has faster WiFi with link speeds up to 135 MBit/s. And my notebook has MCS index 15, two antennas, with both 40 MHz and short guard interval, therefore achieving 300 MBit/s (provided of course your WiFi router / access point supports that as well).
Long story short, the relatively slow speed you're getting on the Nook is probably normal and by design.
Thanks for the detailed post.
I am guessing that 30 mb is quite good then in comparison
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Thanks for the detailed post.
I am guessing that 30 mb is quite good then in comparison
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Your speed is about all its going to get but in comparison to it being bad? Its rather bad...
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