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WM5 Complete waste of time - don't touch it with a bargepole

Am I the only one to fnd that WM5 is a complete waste of time and not worth upgradong for let alone buying. It is in fact a huge step back from 2003.
First of all the flaky Activesync 4 which has had minimal testing on anything approaching a real world PC. How could any developer worth anything have not tested this on a machine with half-decent secruity measures, especially moving the sync protocol to use the TCP/IP stack. TCP/IP -> firewall -doh! (not the laughable toy Windows Firewall either).
Onto the operating system itself, where do I start?
1. The new "improved" memory management???? where is the improvement. How can you class something an improvement when it slows everything down, makes usability more difficult.
2. The communications manager. ....why???? a dumb interface hiding access to needed functions, especially when you are setting up a wireless access, why put on a pointless window just to be able to "switch on" a function???
3.GPRS why hide functionality again? Why remove the connect option from the icon on the top bar. Why do I have to start an internet explorer session just to connect to GPRS?
4.Messaging. Why remove the send/receive button? now we have to press menu then navigate to the send/receive function. So much easier to use...I think not... and why is Outlook email the default, we are not all corporate clones yet
5.Contacts. Where are all the customisation funtions, why can't i arrange the display to suit me. Why can't i select more than one contact at a time, which bright spark of an MS designer (whose only experience of the real world is the trip to the coffee machine) thought it was a good idea to only select one contact at a time....
6. Uninstall programmes, doesn't work properly, stupid error message about not being able to uninstall completley, then bits being left over even in soft reset, making a hard reset inevitable. double doh!!!
7.Installation failures, for example installing MS own voice command, warns not to install on anything but main memory but then when that is selected comes up with a classic null error message, and takes up over 50% of the program memory anyway.
For those of us who haven't got time to sit and devise brilliant technical workarounds, for us who have to deal with an irate user group having this approximation of an upgrade forced upon them. WM5 is a complete waste of space.
:twisted: :evil: :x

Re: WM5 Complete waste of time - don't touch it with a barge
ColinSlater said:
Am I the only one to fnd that WM5 is a complete waste of time and not worth upgradong for let alone buying. It is in fact a huge step back from 2003.
First of all the flaky Activesync 4 which has had minimal testing on anything approaching a real world PC. How could any developer worth anything have not tested this on a machine with half-decent secruity measures, especially moving the sync protocol to use the TCP/IP stack. TCP/IP -> firewall -doh! (not the laughable toy Windows Firewall either).
Onto the operating system itself, where do I start?
1. The new "improved" memory management???? where is the improvement. How can you class something an improvement when it slows everything down, makes usability more difficult.
2. The communications manager. ....why???? a dumb interface hiding access to needed functions, especially when you are setting up a wireless access, why put on a pointless window just to be able to "switch on" a function???
3.GPRS why hide functionality again? Why remove the connect option from the icon on the top bar. Why do I have to start an internet explorer session just to connect to GPRS?
4.Messaging. Why remove the send/receive button? now we have to press menu then navigate to the send/receive function. So much easier to use...I think not... and why is Outlook email the default, we are not all corporate clones yet
5.Contacts. Where are all the customisation funtions, why can't i arrange the display to suit me. Why can't i select more than one contact at a time, which bright spark of an MS designer (whose only experience of the real world is the trip to the coffee machine) thought it was a good idea to only select one contact at a time....
6. Uninstall programmes, doesn't work properly, stupid error message about not being able to uninstall completley, then bits being left over even in soft reset, making a hard reset inevitable. double doh!!!
7.Installation failures, for example installing MS own voice command, warns not to install on anything but main memory but then when that is selected comes up with a classic null error message, and takes up over 50% of the program memory anyway.
For those of us who haven't got time to sit and devise brilliant technical workarounds, for us who have to deal with an irate user group having this approximation of an upgrade forced upon them. WM5 is a complete waste of space.
:twisted: :evil: :x
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1. Yes, with Persistent Storage we somehow lost more than we gained. Sure, if your battery goes down to 0, you won't lose your data, but the cost of this is a serious speed decrease. It was one of the reasons I went back to 2003SE. (Note: WM5 is slow not just on BA, but on every device; if you think it is slow because this is a leaked version, its not true...)
2-3. I don't use too much gprs/wifi
4. The loved/hated softkeys...i personally liked them, but most of the ppl hates it and somewhere i understand them too.
5. Pocket Informant rules.
6. It worked well for me..
7. Yes, i got some install problems too.
And one more thing that made me downgrade: ActiveSync 4. That sh*tty thing is:
a) Slow syncing
b) Slows down the device too
c) buggy
d) connection errors
e) slow syncing
f) have i mentioned how slow and buggy it is?...

Active sync problems
I too had problems using ActiveSync 4 Beta. Since this is a beta this is understandable.
As of yesterday, the current version of ActiveSync 4 is version 4.1 (an final version).
It can be downloaded from Microsoft via http://www.microsoft.com/windowsmobile/downloads/activesync41.mspx
Maybe you should try that. It works much bettter (faster, more stable) for me.
Regards,
Roel.

Is that version of activesync (4) suitable for BAs running WM20003SE? And would you reccomend 'upgrading' to it?

BGJr said:
Is that version of activesync (4) suitable for BAs running WM20003SE? And would you reccomend 'upgrading' to it?
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#Faster file transfer speed and photo sync via Outlook are only available for Windows Mobile 5.0-based devices. For customers using Windows Mobile 2003 or 2002-based devices, please continue using ActiveSync 3.8
#Remote PC Sync (via Wifi or LAN) has been removed due to Enterprise customer feedback around security issues. If you are using this feature on a Windows Mobile 2003-based device, please continue using ActiveSync 3.x or earlier.
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As for WM5, the only thing that I dislike the is BT Disable after powering on the BA SX66. As for slower due to the newer storage, I rather have it like WM5 than like WM2003 - period!
ActiveSync, well seems to work okay for me [now that I disable anti-virus]. Version 4.1 (Build 4841). I would expect future versions to be better and most likey buggy in different ways - thats software!
Most of the other issues are corrected with 3rd pary Applications. Since I also used these Applications in Win2003SE it's no big deal to me [since I also disliked the WM2003SE tools].
But you are correct WM5/Active Sync 4 can be a pain in the ass for sure. But I recall earlier versions of WM/Active synce being pretty crappy too. Hopefully over time WM5/Active Sync will get even better and new PDA's "designed" for WM5 will be faster with this new OS.

WM5 VS WM2003 SE
Hi all, i understand your complaints. I think the cool thing about WM5 is the way it looks, it has not been that much faster for me, and i hate the fact that i cannot use my Bluetooth headset.
I have been using WM5 for a while now and i am getting used to it but i am really thinking of going to WM2003 SE (new tmobile rom) so i can use bluetooth. But i want to also wait for a little bit to see if the fix will come soon.
With WM5 when device is suspended, and you get a call, it does not ring right away, you hear the phone ring on the second to last dial tone, so i miss lots of calls and have to call people back.
Did i mention it is slow, u press a button and wait for it to respond.
WM5 is ok, lots of bugs but i will wait a bit before going to the new T-mobile rom, besides, i don't feel like reseting and re-installing, and all the stuff again, had about 3 scares in the past already.

DRM TCPA who cares?

There are a few issues I wanted to see some opinions on. With Windows Vista being due to hit the shelves in February how many people are familiar with the huge underlying change in paradigm that Microsoft has undertaken? Also at this time it seems the Trusted Computing Platform Alliance (TCPA/TCG) is gaining momentum and a convergence of the two could spell the end of not just open source computing but the freedom to choose how an individual uses a PC.
There are a multitude of technical details that can be perused in the links bellow, but to sum up vista digital rights management:
*Vista encrypts so many of the internal connections within a computer that only someone who pays Microsoft will be able to write programs that many take for granted today.
*Vista imposes such an overhead on computing power via its encryption mechanism that many cheaper hardware manufactures will be pushed out of the market.
*The ability of Microsoft to revoke encryption keys used to allow drivers to work in various components (including graphics cards) can brick your hardware even though you do nothing wrong.
*Media that is fully paid for is still limited in its use because vista will not allow it to be played (if the bit is set on disk) on non secured hardware like my TV for example.
*Drivers for hardware can be revoked even when no violation of copyright occurs, just for not paying Microsoft its annual fees.
*Today’s popular security vendors (AKA Symantec etc) can not guarantee any product to continue working because Microsoft say they WILL be changing the kernel.
*The cost of hardware complying to drm (not performance specs) will push the price through the roof at the cheep end of town.
And as for TCPA:
*No one except those who pay to be in the club can control what information their hardware will communicate about them.
*Forget anonymity because it is not just an IP but a chip that will identify our computers online.
*Only sanctioned software will be able to run on a TCPA protected device where that is the desire of the maker. That kills developers like us. It kills p2p, it kills firefox, it kills linux, it kills other media players or any other thing that “they” deem against their interest if used.
*It leaves us vulnerable to government data collection without good reason. As with mobile phones (as demonstrated in FBI vs Ardito) these TCPA chips will have government backdoors forced open by the US.
Most people I talk to seem oblivious to this stuff. Dose anybody care? It scares the hell out of me.
http://www.cs.auckland.ac.nz/~pgut001/pubs/vista_cost.html
http://www.grc.com/sn/SN-074.htm
http://www.cl.cam.ac.uk/~rja14/tcpa-faq.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trusted_Computing_Platform_Alliance

Ok, its about 3AM, weekend is upon us, and I finally have time to rant a little.
I heard about hardware copy protection and encryption before but only briefly and didn't pay much attention. The white-paper and subsequent podcast on the Vista security your links led me to was very interesting (even though I will not update to vista until all the hardware available to me burns out and no XP compatible replacements are around).
Now it is not unusual for M$ to make each subsequent system heavier than before so users can't even tell between performance of an 800MHz PIII and 2.8 P4 (ok, maybe this is a bit of exaggeration, but you get the point).
From what I understand about Vista so far, it will be the biggest piece of crap MS ever produced. Not just slow, but unstable and the best part - it won't do the only thing that suppose to really set it apart from existing systems: play high quality protected content.
In fact this is the one thing that helps me feel less threatened by this dream of "ultra secure" future MS, Intel and the rest of the bunch are planing.
An average consumer may not understand or care about things like "tilt bits", "driver revocation", or (this is my favorite) "graphics sub system reset" (problem with gwes.exe anyone ) but if they see new system that cost twice as much as conventional PC but is half as stable, half as fast and most importantly doesn't do what it was promised to do the market will vote and the idea dies.
One last thing. I've see quite a few "video rentals / sales" both on VHF and VCD that (while operating under legitimate business) utilized the oldest type of video piracy that is still widely spread on torrents and no DRM will ever stop or even slow down: video camera.
With video cameras getting smaller, high quality and less expansive the easiest way to steal content is to sneak on in to a premiere.
Well that's enough out of me for now. Feel free to point out any delusions, mistakes and whatever, but keep in mined this is just a rant.

well ms partly rewrote vista from scratch
rather then just build on top of XP which is still NT3.5 based many places
and even if there are good things about getting a clean slate then
it also mean untested software and new issues yet to be decovered by
users and hackers
imho then vista is a perfectly good reason to start dual boot ones XP with linux and start getting used to it and slowly start using it more and more and XP less and less
if the trend get widespread
more support for games and comercial programs ppl use in their everyday
will come to linux as well as for vista
another path would imho be to get a fancy dual 2 core intel based mac laptop and duel boot with macOsX and XP and ...
not that i'm advocating piracy but i really dont care much for way freedom
is being slowly killed on computers and internet
it's like they decovered that some ppl stole stuff online
and desided to lock everybody up to be sure to capture the crocks

The thing that bites me is the ability to lock out programs that are not accepted by the hardware or service provider. We already see a similar thing in smart phones where only oem code is allowed to do certain things. In microsofts own words (well close enough) from some of their spiel to content providers "a ce device is a windows platform that can not install third party software or hardware". Do they know something they are not telling us. I would hate to think that future ce devices are going to lock us out in favor of drm.
Further more, what if other companies start insisting I use new features. What if my bank tells me I need to run vista to use their services or what if hardware manufacturers will not produce hardware that is free of trusted chips. Will I then be able to run an older os without the drm and tcpa.
Computers were originally build by nerds from odd pards. Us nerds are still capable of doing anything, its just a case of time verses benefit. I would not be willing to submit to a loss of control. The real problem is the millions of users who don't have what it takes to take control and who will not understand what they are loosing until it is already gone.

Farewell Tilt

It’s been a bitter sweet journey for me and my tilt over the last year. We've been through many different ROMs many different Mods, and many different apps. We've spent hundreds of hours on this board searching for the newest and greatest tricks a tools we've even spent some times actually being productive. But 2 weeks ago we went our separate ways. In a spat of extreme frustration I renewed my contract with ma bell and enslaved myself to the blue and orange for another 2 years and purchased an iPhone.
While my Tilt could do just about anything I wanted it to do it could do none of it well or consistently. My #1 biggest frustration with the Tilt which ended up being the nail in the coffin was how windows mobile dealt with networking. It never worked reliably moving form edge to wifi and back was painful with apps needing to be restarted an occasionally the phone needing rebooted. Outlook would stop syncing with exchange for days at a time then after a reboot everything would be fine. It was never as simple as pick up the phone and surf the web or pick up the phone and check your email. A very close second is SPEED I had dumb phones 10 years ago that i could pick up and make a call with quicker than the tilt. The windows mobile interface is just not designed for hand held use. Even with the stylus it is extremely frustrating to navigate.
The apps I used most on the Tilt were as follows:
1. Push Exchange/Outlook for Calendar email and contacts <-- This is a must for any device that i will have now or in the future.
2. Beyond Pod for Podcasts <-- I have a long commute and podcasts are a godsend.
3. Palringo <---wonderful app but could not leave it open because of the battery drain
4. Kinoma Freeplay <-- the best media player for WINMO hands down they got a lot of stuff right I was all set to purchase the full version when 3g came to our area but still no 3G an now no Tilt
5. Windows remote desktop client <--- very handy worked well even over edge
6. Opera Mini <-- excellent browser especially for edge i dont thing there is anything that can beat it on edge. I would love to have seen a native version of opera mini because the JVM's (I tried them all) for WM suck I hate to open an application just to open an application yea there were some tricks and shortcuts but nothing completely seamless.
7. Gremote<-- excellent for controlling an HTPC or from the couch. This app paired with a capacitive touch screen would be amazing. Kudos to the author on this simple elegant app.
8. The Phone <-- The tilt was not a good phone. making a phone call to someone not in your address book was extremely painful however if the person is in your address book the smart dialer worked very well. I went through multiple dialer on multiple roms none of them worked well
Apps I used occasionally
1. ICS for tethering via usb <--- Great when it works active sync must be installed on the computer that you want to tether (for usb atleast).
2. WMwifirouter -- for when ICS failed <--- Must be plugged into the wall this program drains the battery faster than anything I have ever seen however it works very well
3. kevtris & Bubble Breaker <-- good to pass the time
4. Alarm clock <--- works as advertised
Now on to the iPhone. I have not Jail broken the iPhone yet. I'm not sure that I need to.
I'll start out with what I don't like
1. No background tasks <-- this reminds me of the days with my Palm IIIc
2. Running in the back ground is key to any instant messenger app so using Palringo on the iPhone is almost worthless
3. most apps do not exit gracefully or save state when you exit especially when you exit unexpectedly like when answering a call.
4. I hate the slide to unlock. You’re not going to accidentally dial someone with a capacitive screen when it’s in your pocket. It’s an unnecessary extra step
5. Lack of configuration options <-- I never thought I’d say this but this might be a blessing in disguise.
6. Lack of physical keyboard. It’s by far the best onscreen keyboard I’ve ever used but still not as good as the worst physical keyboard I have ever used.
7. Lack of a user exposed file  I like to know where my files are and how to get to them. This hasn’t been a problem so far but I would feel better being able to browse a file system
That's really about all that I don't like about the iPhone here is what I like
1. Speed Speed Speed compared to my Tilt this thing is fast opening and closing most apps take about a second to open compared to 3 to 10 on my tilt depending on which app I open.
2. The display and capacitive touch screen together are both beautiful and extremely responsive
3. Visual Voice mail <-- love it I tried a bunch of visual voicemail apps for the tilt none worked as well as this. not making a call to check voice mail is great
4. The dialer <-- Its simple and it works when I dial a phone number all 10 digits show up as opposed to the tilt where I don’t think I ever dialed a 10 digit number correctly on the first try. I do miss the smart dialing from the tile though.
5. Networking <-- Other than problems with a hidden SSID's networking is smooth and transparent never had a problem switching from wifi to edge leaving WIFI on all day does not kill the battery haven’t had a problem with one app being able to access the internet while another cant
6. Battery <--- I can get through the whole day with a single charge on my iPhone I've even watched a half hour of streaming video over wifi at the end of the day before i was warned about a low battery. On my tilt if I used wifi or played back any kind of media or had Palringo open I needed to charge my Tilt before I got home in the evening.
I have yet to sync the phone with iTunes I haven't really found a need to yet. Although i probably will soon because there is a firmware update available
The apps I use
1. RSS Player <-- Great for downloading podcasts I can’t really compare it to how iTunes handles podcasts… I haven’t figured out how the iPod app handles audio playback especially in cases when you get a phone call while playing something. I will assume that the Apple apps have the power to run in the background
2. Orb Live <--- the 9.99 app was worth every penny it’s a sling box killer in I have access to my entire music collection my cable tv and recorded programs it works great and the video play back is great on the iPhone's screen
3. RDP lite <--- Simple RDP client it works well I am not limited to 640x480 as on the tilt it works more like the WM version of the Citrix Client
4. Stanza<--- I like ebooks I can read ebooks with this I actually prefer MS reader on the WM platform I have a trusty old Axim X5 with PPC 2002 on which I do a lot of reading at night. I can’t imagine buying a kindle and not being able to read in the dark on a side note the X5 has great rubber grips on the side and the buttons are in just the right place for page turns. you can probably pick one of these up for 10 bucks on eBay and have a great ebook reader for your night stand. While legitimate books are harder to find for MS reader most publishers produce versions of their books in the .lit format they are usually more expensive than kindle books but you'd have to buy a lot of books to make up for the price of the kindle.
I’ve spent hours on these forums tweaking and tinkering with my Tilt It was fun, I learned a lot but now I am done. Anybody else make the switch? I’d be interested to hear your thoughts on what you used on WM that you don’t have on the iPhone or what you have on the iPhone that you didn’t have on WM.

I might make the same move someday. I'm really on the fence as to whether I want to give WM another chance and get the Touch Pro 2, or just bail for the iPhone's snappy OS (background apps and openness be damned).
I can't stand how bad the Tilt is (and, I assume WM6 in general) at moving between WiFi and cellular data. I have to forcefully close Outlook since it always wants to stick to whichever method it first used. Does it do that for everyone, or just because I'm using IMAP?
It's going to be a tough choice this fall between the Touch Pro 2 and, presumably, an updated iPhone. I think I'm just very soured on WM. The resolution of the Pro2 and the keyboard have huge appeal to me. If Apple ups the resolution, I think I'll be sold on them, since their touchscreen is a lot more accurate for typing the I had even though possible.

I'm getting ready to ditch the Tilt as well. Too slow, hesitant, and mostly Windows related problems. Had to do a hard-reset which didn't work as the keys were frozen. Ended up flashing another ROM once I got past the Serial port in the Red-Green-White windows and it said USB.
I cannot believe even Microsoft has no news group on their Windows Mobile software. Probably would scare other manufacturers off if they did. Even the buggy ActiveSync as well.
I had a couple of Nokias with Symbian OS and they ran fine. Never hesitated at all or froze requiring a reset. And their volume was LOUD compared to the HTC.
The Tilt is a gadget boy's toy, but it really is buggy.
Maybe the Nokia N96 next. They offered on their website a trade-in of $84 for the old Tilt.
Mack

The network issues were the nail in the coffin for me. the speed problems and quick battery drain were a close second. So far every time I open up Safari my web pages load no pop ups telling me how its now trying to "dial" the network the seamless transition between wifi and GPRS lets me use the device and not think about which network I'm on. With the Tilt if I left the wifi on battery was dead by noon and I always had to manually put my Tilt to sleep because there was always some app that would keep it awake with the back light burning draining my battery.

This is great, 3 people with a total of 46 posts coming on the Kaiser forum to tell us how much they hate the Kaiser and love the iPhone,I personally could care less what you think and don't want to hear it.
We can't say goodbye if you don't actually LEAVE ................. Bye , farewell, au revoir, have you left yet ?
Just so you know where to go, here are a bunch of other people enjoying their new phone
http://discussions.apple.com/category.jspa?categoryID=245

OK everyone, I have had both the tilt and Iphone. I have had my tilt since the begining and I have had a blast tweaking it into my personal reflection of my persona. i had an opportunity to get an Iphone through my work and i almost broke it with frustration. not only that it ask for $40 to connect and have internest access but I can't find my files anywhere where it is stored. I am a heavy Excel user and I had trouble with opening spreadsheets on outlook atachments. It took me a long time just to text a simple sentence since i have fat fingers. My tilt on the otherhand, I use both of my thumbs for texting and composing emails through outlook and it just boggles me that the iphone can be used by busy professionals. I still enjoy my tilt everyday. My favorite application is SLingbox, Avantgo, Tomtom, and about 50 games stored in my Micro 16g card. I have 18 of my favorite DVD movies stored and if you hook it up in your car through the headphone jack, you can watch and entertain your children on long trips. I love the tilt until some other HTC device replaces it.

You'll likely be back
I left my tilt...wanted something more finger-friendly, with a more touch-responsive (I.E. capacitive) screen. I opted for the Tmobile G1 using Android. The phone is gorgeous, the widescreen fabulous, trackball surprisingly useful, and the OS beautiful. I was blown away....and then reality set in.
The G1 is nearly useless without an internet connection, and I don't use a data plan, just wifi. The Android OS is indeed lovely, but there are only a handful of really useful programs. The tie-in with Google is worse than anything Microsoft ever crammed down your throat. 75% of video formats just don't work. I guess the bottom line is: crude. The applications are crude, the OS lacks so much as a file manager (tho 3rd party ones are available), and if you want to do anything vaguely resembling work, you are in the WRONG place.
Like a beautiful woman who's too dumb to use a toilet.
The G1 is up on ebay, and a new Tilt will be mailed to me tomorrow.

Hello Tilt
I wanted to get a iPhone and found some fundamental flaws. For a start, do you know that you can't do something as simple as "Cut & Paste"?
No removable battery. Try go on a trip for >5 hours and you know what you miss.
... a lot more.....
so, I bought myself a Tilt.

Hehehehe, any of you TyTN II/Tilt haters can send me your phones. I will gladly ship you a self addressed stamped BOX to dump your miserable horrible phone into, I will give it a proper pyrotechnic destruction (just trust me on that).
PM me or post here if you want a box sent to you for disposal of your terrible miserable lousy TyTN II/Tilt.
*grins*

I understand the fustration, my TyTNII have a love hate relationship, when it is running well I love it, even though the Touch Pro is out I won't upgrade. When it is slow and unresponsive I've looked at other phones and nothing does what this phone can do for the price.
I know people with Iphones and some are happy others are fustrated so YMMV.

I suggest jailbreaking and get an app from cydia called backgrounder it allows apps to run in the background which I think will be a solution to you IM apps!!

lol
denco7 said:
This is great, 3 people with a total of 46 posts coming on the Kaiser forum to tell us how much they hate the Kaiser and love the iPhone,I personally could care less what you think and don't what to hear it.
We can't say goodbye if you don't actually LEAVE ................. Bye , farewell, au revoir, have you left yet ?
Just so you know where to go, here are a bunch of other people enjoying their new phone
http://discussions.apple.com/category.jspa?categoryID=245
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best post of the century?

Awww... the link actually worked
Denko7,
I was truly expecting to get rickrolled when I clicked on your link, only to find that i was inundated with actual Iphone stuff. For those of you who are confused about rickrolling someone (or a forum) just click the below link:
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rickrolling

replacement of Kaiser
i don't feel....there is any phone on the market now that makes me wants to makes a jump from kaiser,
touch pro.....nah...
touchHD...tsk...still not good enough, sure will misss the keyboard
X1...makes me wanna laugh at Sony ericsson
coming:
N97...symbian platform still lack the variety compare to winmo
touchpro2...yawn!! (just a quick make up over TP1)
OmniaHD...maybe if they include hardware keyboard i'll think over
seems to me no one cares to just make an all rounder(with useability and reliability in mind) that dominates the market...
they just keep on producing tons of new models and incorporating flaws in them intentionally and kinda just to force the consumer into it
and people yelling "yay, consumers right"

denco7 said:
This is great, 3 people with a total of 46 posts coming on the Kaiser forum to tell us how much they hate the Kaiser and love the iPhone,I personally could care less what you think and don't want to hear it.
We can't say goodbye if you don't actually LEAVE ................. Bye , farewell, au revoir, have you left yet ?
Just so you know where to go, here are a bunch of other people enjoying their new phone
http://discussions.apple.com/category.jspa?categoryID=245
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Amen. I'm willing to hear negative opinions from someone who made an effort to use their phone. Not from someone who never tried to do anything with it
I'm as picky as they come, and I'm happy with my tilt. It takes some effort, but the roms that are out there now are ready to go after a flash. I'm waiting for a MUCH better phone before I leap. And honestly, my tilt will go to another family member.
PS: Once that guy gets his Iphone, we should totally try to MMS him..... ;-)

I like the Tilt but...
.. I didn't foresee having to spend so much time tweaking and fixing it. What's more, the jog wheel stopped functioning in 9 months (and I am a REAL careful user, didn't drop it even once), the screen stopped responding 3 months later, and oh, Activesync has been ruining my contacts and schedules databases regularly to the point I simply stopped sync'ing, which is a pity.
I want a smart phone for productivity. That's the bottom line. While I enjoy tinkering around with it, being a software engineer myself, I'd rather not have to spend quite so much time on dealing with phone or WM's issues.
My lowly Nokia 7110 allowed me to be far more productive.

WMNovice said:
.. I didn't foresee having to spend so much time tweaking and fixing it. What's more, the jog wheel stopped functioning in 9 months (and I am a REAL careful user, didn't drop it even once), the screen stopped responding 3 months later, and oh, Activesync has been ruining my contacts and schedules databases regularly to the point I simply stopped sync'ing, which is a pity.
I want a smart phone for productivity. That's the bottom line. While I enjoy tinkering around with it, being a software engineer myself, I'd rather not have to spend quite so much time on dealing with phone or WM's issues.
My lowly Nokia 7110 allowed me to be far more productive.
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I hate to tell you this, but the problems you describe above are due to user error... and probably it is the fact you are a software engineer in a world OTHER THAN Windows Mobile.
However, your comments about the phone being for productivitiy... you're right on! I don't care how perfect something is, if it doesn't work for _ME_, I'm not going to keep working it!

For people who enjoy tinkering
I enjoy tinkering with software as much as anyone else. But not on something as vital for business as a smart phone. And the problems I've described are not due to user error, but to a poorly designed and counter-intuitive Windows Mobile OS.
And clearly, WM-based phones, HTC or otherwise, have a lot of issues that serious users and seekers of productivity should be concerned about.
Try using Active Sync on WM 6.0 sensibly, for one. If you're not careful, your entire database of contacts and calendars can be wiped out by this treacherous piece of junk that goes under the name of software.
For those of you who spend an inordinate amount of time installing the latest ROM and checking out the latest "freeware", think about it: Is it worth spending so much time on a phone that could have been used productively elsewhere?

WMNovice said:
I enjoy tinkering with software as much as anyone else. But not on something as vital for business as a smart phone. And the problems I've described are not due to user error, but to a poorly designed and counter-intuitive Windows Mobile OS.
And clearly, WM-based phones, HTC or otherwise, have a lot of issues that serious users and seekers of productivity should be concerned about.
Try using Active Sync on WM 6.0 sensibly, for one. If you're not careful, your entire database of contacts and calendars can be wiped out by this treacherous piece of junk that goes under the name of software.
For those of you who spend an inordinate amount of time installing the latest ROM and checking out the latest "freeware", think about it: Is it worth spending so much time on a phone that could have been used productively elsewhere?
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HEhehehe, maybe the 'productivity' is entertainment in making something work? I for one, spent 60 minutes downloading (meaning, I spent 10 seconds clicking 'Download' and picking where to put it, then 59 minutes doing other things till it popped up saying it was done), then about 5 minutes flashing. Then, about 10 minutes putting my SIM back in, re-entering data connection stuff, and re-syncing my contacts. that was it, and I was up and running with a "for me" bug free PDA v17 ROM...
Inordinate is a rather subjective term... inordinate for my grandfather is picking the phone up in the first place... inordinate for me is spending more than one night of sleep setting it up... HEhehehe
Bottom line, to each his own... and for you, you don't like WinMo...
So, what DO you like? What other OS is giving you ANY business productivity other than making phone calls, sending text messages, and composing e-mail? Any mobile phone will do those things, what are you saying you are missing for productivity in the WM world that you get from any other? (honest question, I simply don't know and refuse to say you can't, unless you can prove to me you can't)
So, I'll gladly send you a SASE to send me your 'dead' Tilt... let me know!

Every time I think I want to switch phones, I go look at all the options from AT&T and Verizon on phonescoop and the bottom line is this:
Touch screen - check
MiniUSB connection instead of some shoddy input that ends up breaking after a month - check
Windows Mobile so I can configure it exactly how I want - check
Qwerty keyboard that isn't just on screen - check
I have yet to find another phone that meets all these and is anywhere near better than the Kaiser/Tilt. My sister has the iPhone and it's crap IMO. My best friend has the Voyager and it's worse than that! Another has the ENV2 which is actually nice if you don't care to ever do any configuring of software because there's no WM and the Verizon interface is so limited.
So there. Have fun with all your subpar phones. I'll stay with mine.

What is Chewing my MBs ?????

I am on a 1 GB data plan on a 3G network. Last week I noticed some shocking phenomenon where my remaining data units was vanishing at an alarming rate. i was attending some workshop where vista was on throughout but I was busy and was not downloading anything. However I was in a new location and I had activated GPS vista side. I use Google Earth vista side and Google Maps winmo side. Could the Google Earth/Maps with Gps munch data from 822 MBs to less than 200 Mbs within 2 or 3 days.......
Considering I was not downloading any music and I had not linked any torrent files what else would be the culprit in the unexplained data theft?

Google Maps will tell you how much data it has sent & received.
Menu - Help - About.
Both apps can be pretty data intensive, as they constantly download maps as you move around.
Also watch out for Windows Update downloading large files over 3g.

SPB Wireless Monitor - Get it, done. Tracks ALL data usage and transfers into nice graphs, sorted by apps, days and times.
Also as a notice, like Pantal said, don't forget that when Vista updates eat a big chunky chunk of data.

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SPB Wireless Monitor - Get it, done. Tracks ALL data usage and transfers into nice graphs, sorted by apps, days and times.
Also as a notice, like Pantal said, don't forget that when Vista updates eat a big chunky chunk of data.
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Thanks guys for your responses. The culprit must have been Google Earth coz i checked and there were no Vista updates for that period. And yes a program to monitor data usage is a very good idea. However when i tried downloading the SPB software (http://www.spbsoftwarehouse.com/pocketpc-software/wirelessmonitor/download.html) McAfee detected it as a virus.
Perhaps the rom cooks can consider throwing in some kind of data usage monitor in their next release????? Hopefully this should be the release with wired and/or BT mic......

CustomRUU detected as Virus on my comp.

As of today i went to flash the energy leo rom (newest) and my avg kept telling me that the customruu program is a virus. Switched the customruu with ones from other roms and no luck. Does anyone know whats going on? I did notice there was a similiar problem going on in the HD2 threads.

Sometimes it happens. Just put it in ignore list or turn the avg off. It's not virus. Trust me.

I just got the same thing. I'm getting with with every CustomRUU.exe that I've used in the past. It's detecting it as a generic Trojan. I'm sure they are fine, and not infested with Trojans. I wonder if there is a mistake in AVG's latest virus definitions.

Same thing happened to me today... Hopefully I got rid of them all now but it was detected on quite a few of my customRUU files.

I tried ignoring and it just won't open it. Even closed down avg and no luck. Never had a problem like this before. I'm thinking also it might be something in the newest definitions cause yesterday I flashed my tp2 without a problem and today I'm getting this error.

I had to end up disabling AVG's Resident shield to load mine. +1 for annoying virus scanners! I still like AVG much better than any corporate type virus scanners.

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I had to end up disabling AVG's Resident shield to load mine. +1 for annoying virus scanners! I still like AVG much better than any corporate type virus scanners.
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No issues using Microsoft Security Essentials...I used AVG until it started detecting too many false positives, etc....

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No issues using Microsoft Security Essentials...I used AVG until it started detecting too many false positives, etc....
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yup I use Microsoft. Recently switch to NOD32. Working really well. Avg is a little iffy lately

CustomRUU and HardSPL are both perfectly safe. The method of compression used on the CustomRUU exectuable, to reduce bandwidth, is also used by some malicious programs, and is detected by many virus scanners as a malicious program as a result. Most virus scanners have some kind of option to whitelist the application, report a false positive, or send the program to the antivirus company, all of which you should consider doing (if your antivirus supports it). CustomRUU is completely safe, so don't worry about it harming your computer

No problem here with Avast. Simple and light

They are completely safe and do not contain a trojan horse or anything like that. My security system doesn't even let the RUU run even if i click the allow button. I have to completely disable everything. Maybe that will work for you.

I ended up disabling everything as far as antivirus. I was able to add the rhodium folder I use to flash roms to the avg whitelist so maybe that couldve helped. Thanks everyone for all the help and input.

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