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[Devs] Can I hold your attention for a minute?

I see a lot of porting and creating being done such as Hero roms, Blur, Pulse, and everything else we can get out hands on (and I'm thankful for all of it)
But I was curious if we could make mixture rom with a little bit of everything.
I really like the Pulse's Canvas 3x3 home screen display
And the Behold ii's Notification bar with shortcuts to the wifi,gps, etc.
Hero's this
Blur's that.
Etc.
Would if be too much of a mess with framework and odex's files to mash into one rom?

Highly possible, and very easy... All you need is the source code to all the ROMs you are mixing.... So let me reword that - Highly impossible, and very hard.

twistedumbrella said:
Highly possible, and very easy... All you need is the source code to all the ROMs you are mixing.... So let me reword that - Highly impossible, and very hard.
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lol Nicely put
EDIT: WOOHOO POST 1000

It might be possible but I think we'd struggle to fit it on a g1 anyway.. By the time you've ported all the neccessary framework to support everything, I think you'd be way past the 90-odd meg we have to play with.... and that's assuming all those packages would play nicely together in the first place.. I'm not about to try it.

Aw shucks, it's a beautiful idea though you all have to admit lol.
But ok well my minute is up I don't mind this thread being moved or deleted thanks guys

goldenarmZ said:
It might be possible but I think we'd struggle to fit it on a g1 anyway.. By the time you've ported all the neccessary framework to support everything, I think you'd be way past the 90-odd meg we have to play with.... and that's assuming all those packages would play nicely together in the first place.. I'm not about to try it.
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90?? I thought the G1 could take up to like a 100+

Ace42 said:
90?? I thought the G1 could take up to like a 100+
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And that, dear boy, is why your updates failed. Past about 92 MB you exceed the system allowable update size. We haven't gotten an update that installs directly to the ext yet, although we could do it that way...

twistedumbrella said:
And that, dear boy, is why your updates failed. Past about 92 MB you exceed the system allowable update size. We haven't gotten an update that installs directly to the ext yet, although we could do it that way...
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XD hahha. did i mention i love you twisted? your post quality is off the charts

In all seriousness, though, get an update.zip to mount the ext before install and you could put the apps directly on it and just symlink the folder temporarily for first boot, then let the system remove and recreate the link...

twistedumbrella said:
In all seriousness, though, get an update.zip to mount the ext before install and you could put the apps directly on it and just symlink the folder temporarily for first boot, then let the system remove and recreate the link...
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That's true. I think we really have something here. Perhaps this thread could become a think tank for getting 100Mb+ roms working. Yes? The only thing is... we don't have a 100Mb+ rom to work on... Hm...

there's a rom floating around here that manages something similar, it's a hero rom with hero apps and the blur launcher with some mixed anims and visuals, a personal favorite of mine, you should check it out, I think it's by diaztradeinc, but I'm not sure, I'll look it up and let you know

twistedumbrella said:
In all seriousness, though, get an update.zip to mount the ext before install and you could put the apps directly on it and just symlink the folder temporarily for first boot, then let the system remove and recreate the link...
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So edit the update-script and set the symlinking on the firstboot.sh?

format everything lol
we could format the whole g1 and add the stuffs that we need
or format a 2gb and up sdcard to ext3-4 and put everything on it
I was planning to that. I was trying to put all files from the g1 hard drive to my sdcard but ran out of space. In theory it is possible but you will need a very motived dev to do this.

I think this was the one, but now that I saw it, it looks like this one uses a rosie skinned like the blur's launcher. I remember I had seen another one that actually used the blur launcher on the hero apps/framework, I'd need to dig a bit deeper
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=567122
oh, and, honestly, even if we had the source for every single release, I'm very, very sure you still wouldn't see some sort of mashup rom. Why? think about what has been done so far with the available source from android? Other than a few modifications to Launcher, mms, phone, and settings apks (and stericson's lockscreen mods), there's been very little done from the code. Why? because most people here don't even know java. Having the source would still be useless to most people here, let alone actually making something out of it. So, actually, in the mean time, it seems that if this is going to work, the way it's going to be done is the easy way, the way it's been done up to now, just mash things together and force them to work.

jubeh said:
just mash things together and force them to work.
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This could be my epitaph...

jubeh said:
there's a rom floating around here that manages something similar, it's a hero rom with hero apps and the blur launcher with some mixed anims and visuals, a personal favorite of mine, you should check it out, I think it's by diaztradeinc, but I'm not sure, I'll look it up and let you know
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I believe this WAS the rom u were looking for. I dl'ed it a long time ago, but never flashed it so I couldn't tell u for sure. Its been long since deleated, so I can't try for u now, sorry.
forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=557982

fastludeh22 said:
I believe this WAS the rom u were looking for. I dl'ed it a long time ago, but never flashed it so I couldn't tell u for sure. Its been long since deleated, so I can't try for u now, sorry.
forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=557982
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Nah, that wasn't it. Most (all?) of drizzy's roms were a joke anyway. I have the rom somewhere in my computer (did I mention I have like 30 GB of roms that I've downloaded? basically, if it's on androidspin, it's on my computer too), so I'll look for it.

To be honest guys I don't think space is a problem at all.
While everyone is going around asking if the g1 will get the 2.0 update I'm very confident we'll be running android 3.0 on our g1's eventually we'll just need to figure out a way to put it on the sd card which I'm sure we can figure out.
It's a shame though, I was hoping we should manage something like that.
A home replacement that uses the Pulse's canvas
Some editis to the notification bar.
Etc etc etc.
But I guess it ties into what someone said about not knowing how to write in the specific code needed which is understandable.

Icebergxx said:
But I guess it ties into what someone said about not knowing how to write in the specific code needed which is understandable.
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Not yet...since ive been here reading and following along (+ testing ofcourse ) for over a year now, people have progressed amazingly here! More and more are starting to figure out that this is something we all should invest in. Give it more time, more people will learn or come through that are genius coders.
Down the road I absolutely see people writing their own androids, like linux is now. Distributions (or highly modified current builds).
Sort of how hero changed everything, we had the basic one tab at the bottom, then all of a sudden this came out and we had many tabs and new interactions.
Anything is possible with this, just give maybe another 6 months, but def. a year will bring some talent through. Just hope the g1 holds till then

Advice please....

This morning there is a new item in the notification pull down screen.
Updates Available
1 update found
I'm scared to even click on it, thinking it will automatically download and install the patch that kills root. I am currently running Fresh 2.1 and don't want to change a darn thing!
I had followed these instructions:
DISABLE OTA UPDATES!!!!
To disable OTA updates that will patch this exploit, (after rooting and booted after creating a nandroid backup) run the following commands from Command Prompt.
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cd C:\android-sdk-windows\tools
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adb remount
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adb shell
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mv /system/etc/security/otacerts.zip /system/etc/security/otacerts.zip.bak
After doing this, the OTA updates WILL still download, BUT they will not pass signature checks to flash because of the code you just entered.
So do I just clear the notice? Has anyone clicked this thing?

That's for your market apps, perfectly safe

nebenezer said:
That's for your market apps, perfectly safe
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Indeed it was...Autokiller updating as I type this.
Thank you, Nebenezer.
You have helped eased my tender nerves since the very first time I posted on XDA.
/bow

Chaid said:
Indeed it was...Autokiller updating as I type this.
Thank you, Nebenezer.
You have helped eased my tender nerves since the very first time I posted on XDA.
/bow
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Chaid, between you and me - Don't listen to anything neb ever tells you. He will ONLY get you in trouble.

Kcarpenter said:
Chaid, between you and me - Don't listen to anything neb ever tells you. He will ONLY get you in trouble.
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puh-sha
yeah, if by "trouble" you mean "awesome state of coolness few people have ever experienced" then yes, KC is absolutely correct

nebenezer said:
puh-sha
yeah, if by "trouble" you mean "awesome state of coolness few people have ever experienced" then yes, KC is absolutely correct
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Well of course that's what I ment - Urban dictionary defintion of Trouble: Awesome state of coolness few people have ever experienced. the only known cause is the presence of either Nebenezer or Chuck Norris.

Ha! Both of you where the first to give me help! Too funny.....
Ok, since I have you both here, I have a silly question.
After I re-rooted after the 2.1 RUU, one of the first ROM's I flashed was Fresh 2.1.2.....I can't for the life of me remember why I didn't like it. Flashed Damage and a few others and ended up with Fresh 2.1, which I love.
So, after reading about both Fresh's ROMs, I don't see much difference.
Did 2.1.2 just fix things? There is absolutely nothing wrong with 2.1 (at least for me), but feel like I might be missing out on something I overlooked.
Whatchu think?

Chaid said:
Ha! Both of you where the first to give me help! Too funny.....
Ok, since I have you both here, I have a silly question.
After I re-rooted after the 2.1 RUU, one of the first ROM's I flashed was Fresh 2.1.2.....I can't for the life of me remember why I didn't like it. Flashed Damage and a few others and ended up with Fresh 2.1, which I love.
So, after reading about both Fresh's ROMs, I don't see much difference.
Did 2.1.2 just fix things? There is absolutely nothing wrong with 2.1 (at least for me), but feel like I might be missing out on something I overlooked.
Whatchu think?
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I can't keep up any more LOL.
I think 2.1.2 was de-odexed and might be a little faster for you in that case.
I am on a fresh 2.1.2 with friend stream that JSChi put out yesterday.

You still have to be careful with those updates. There has been cases where an update has either basically removed itself or severely gimped features of the program and that is either because it infringes on a copyright or the author decided to go the paid route and firebombed his old free app. It has happened in the past.
There have also been cases of major bugs being introduced that don't get fixed for awhile.
Just make sure to read the comments as people will usually mention those things.

Editing Build.prop via ADB

Hey guys, I finally rooted my Hero and I'm using the aosp 0.9.9.2 ROM.
I wanted to try out JIT, but it is disabled in the newest release. Can somebody please walk me through the ADB commands to do so? I thought I had seen something about that a long time ago, but I cannot for the life of me find that again.
I installed the android SDK and all. I start by opening cmd promt and locating the device. All of that has worked properly, but I don't know where to go from there. Can somebody help me from there? I just want to adb pull, edit a few of the lines (scroll speed, wifi search, and JIT) on my computer, and then adb push it back.. this shouldn't be that hard! Thanks in advance!

JIT is dangerous stuff. You can get hooked on it, and it's a downward spiral from there. I wouldn't try it, because you could become hooked and I was told that it's bad stuff.
JUST SAY NO.
p.s. hint: adb pull, notepad++, and adb push are your friends.

sirmx said:
JIT is dangerous stuff. You can get hooked on it, and it's a downward spiral from there. I wouldn't try it, because you could become hooked and I was told that it's bad stuff.
JUST SAY NO.
p.s. hint: adb pull, notepad++, and adb push are your friends.
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haha yeah I just want to try that and even other than JIT, there are a few other changes I'd like to make in the build.prop file. I have been playing with it for a while now and I can pull the file to my desktop, but now I'm just having trouble pushing it back because the system folder is read only.. Not sure how to get passed that, any help?

What do I think about JIT?
I love to JIT I used to JIT for almost a two months straight after I first read about it, never took a break. although as others said.. it can become addicting But I've been JIT free for over a month now and I've had no complaints about my phone's performance. Quite the contrary actually
As for the read only, before trying to push or pull make sure you do
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adb remount

kyouko said:
What do I think about JIT?
I love to JIT I used to JIT for almost a two months straight after I first read about it, never took a break. although as others said.. it can become addicting But I've been JIT free for over a month now and I've had no complaints about my phone's performance. Quite the contrary actually
As for the read only, before trying to push or pull make sure you do
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adb remount
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Thanks I forgot about "adb remount" that did the trick! My linpack scores went from 3.253 MFLOPS to 5.266 MFLOPS! Thats a pretty huge difference! Now I can go edit some other minor things in the build.prop to make the phone run even better because I'm greedy haha!
Any particular reason you stopped using JIT? Any side effects? What's so addicting about it?

mehta35 said:
Any particular reason you stopped using JIT? Any side effects? What's so addicting about it?
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I stopped because I was having problems with the phone freezing on occasion while I was talking on the phone, but that's back when it first became an option for us to use. And even though, yes I did get higher benchmark scores, performance wise I didn't notice much of a difference if at all.
I'd say try it out for a week or two to see if you notice anything better or worse
And as for side-effects, addicting, etc. Read this quote
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Darchdroid is soo fast my girlfriend JITed before I even pulled out my hero!!!!
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When JIT hit the hero forums posts like this were relatively common and on the IRC we threw these kinda jokes around all the time That should help explain the remainder of my post haha

Risks of Rooting?

Ok so, I bought this awesome device and Im waiting for it to be delivered. I know that rooting has awesome features and great things, but Im wondering if someone has experienced any kind of issue after rooting... I read somewhere here in the forum, that the Wifi on someone's tablet stopped working and he had to return it.. Sadly, I can't be returning stuff since I live out of the states and is not that easy... Hope someone can tell me ^^ Would love to have 3 or 4 answers for me to take my decision. Thanks in advance.
Jailuis

jailuis said:
Ok so, I bought this awesome device and Im waiting for it to be delivered. I know that rooting has awesome features and great things, but Im wondering if someone has experienced any kind of issue after rooting... I read somewhere here in the forum, that the Wifi on someone's tablet stopped working and he had to return it.. Sadly, I can't be returning stuff since I live out of the states and is not that easy... Hope someone can tell me ^^ Would love to have 3 or 4 answers for me to take my decision. Thanks in advance.
Jailuis
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If you follow instructions to a complete letter and make sure it's the correct rooting instructions for your version number, then all should be well but I do have to say that it's always done at your own risk. There's no way around that.
I have not read anyone else with rooting problems on here for the KFHD. The guy with the wifi post which I've read most likely got a dud. Mine was rooted and ran fine for me. I returned mine for other reasons.
Just be careful on what you do to your device. If you do something you shouldn't with your "extra privileges", it can be easy to brick your device. Especially when it's so young in development stages right now.

I received my fire a week ago. I intended to root it like I have all other android devices I own.
I have kept it stock and probably will for awhile. I just did not feel the need to root. I side loaded GMail and most other Google apps I wanted. I side loaded adw launcher and dolphin browser. So I feel no real reason to root since a few people have had problems.
Now when the boot loader gets unlocked and there is custom Roms now that is a different story.
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I rooted yesterday. Got go ex as default launcher, play store, dolphin, etc. No problems yet. Seems faster, if anything.

There aren't many risks with it other then the average (brick). Which can occur with any device. Just make sure you follow the steps correctly step by step, and make sure your adb drivers are installed correctly.

Pirub said:
I rooted yesterday. Got go ex as default launcher, play store, dolphin, etc. No problems yet. Seems faster, if anything.
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About the only reason I'd root is for the play store
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You risk having a better running tablet
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My devices are all rooted, for my Bionic, it's so that I can use AdFree, Titanium Backup and to run AirBubble, which let's AirPlay devices see the phone and ply music to it remotely (or to whatever speakers it's plugged in to! ) It doesn't have to be used for illegal stuff, it just unlocks your phone's administrator privileges so that those that know specific use cases which require lower level code can go ahead and run. If you can already do everything you want with your phone, you don't need to root it.

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My devices are all rooted, for my Bionic, it's so that I can use AdFree, Titanium Backup and to run AirBubble, which let's AirPlay devices see the phone and ply music to it remotely (or to whatever speakers it's plugged in to! ) It doesn't have to be used for illegal stuff, it just unlocks your phone's administrator privileges so that those that know specific use cases which require lower level code can go ahead and run. If you can already do everything you want with your phone, you don't need to root it.
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Rooting is good for getting rid of bloatware too.

With rooting there is always a risk that you are going to screw something up. The easiest way to ensure that doesnt happen is to not root the device. But if you are going to anyway just don't do something you don't fully understand unless you are willing to take the risks.
For example if you do not know how to use adb then don't try at this time, play around with it on something else. If you still want root and don't know adb then use the automated root tool. All the hard stuff is done for you and there is no chance of inputting something wrong and causing problems. To avoid any conflicts with apps or settings reset the device to factory. Just one more step to take human error out of the equation.
After the device is rooted is when people tend to cause problems for themselves. IF YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT IT IS/DOES DON'T TOUCH IT!!! If you are messing around inside a file manager any folder outside the sdcard folder has the potential to cause problems so- IF YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT IT IS/DOES DON'T TOUCH IT!!!(unless you can afford the risk)
When making changes, research what you are trying to do extensively and don't rely on one source. What worked for one person will not always work for another, to many variables.
All in all just aire on the side of caution.

Thanks for all responses ^^ I've had other android devices and I had rooted them, but Im afraid with this one since I read about the wifi not working anymore... But thanks to all of you I might give it a shot. One last thing, I have 2 KFHD, do I have to install Adb for both?
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jailuis said:
Thanks for all responses ^^ I've had other android devices and I had rooted them, but Im afraid with this one since I read about the wifi not working anymore... But thanks to all of you I might give it a shot. One last thing, I have 2 KFHD, do I have to install Adb for both?
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I used the auto root tool without issues. I would think once you install adb on your Pc it should work for both. I had to also install the android sdk tool.
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no risk.just go ahead.toot it.lol

onemeila said:
With rooting there is always a risk that you are going to screw something up. The easiest way to ensure that doesnt happen is to not root the device. But if you are going to anyway just don't do something you don't fully understand unless you are willing to take the risks.
For example if you do not know how to use adb then don't try at this time, play around with it on something else. If you still want root and don't know adb then use the automated root tool. All the hard stuff is done for you and there is no chance of inputting something wrong and causing problems. To avoid any conflicts with apps or settings reset the device to factory. Just one more step to take human error out of the equation.
After the device is rooted is when people tend to cause problems for themselves. IF YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT IT IS/DOES DON'T TOUCH IT!!! If you are messing around inside a file manager any folder outside the sdcard folder has the potential to cause problems so- IF YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT IT IS/DOES DON'T TOUCH IT!!!(unless you can afford the risk)
When making changes, research what you are trying to do extensively and don't rely on one source. What worked for one person will not always work for another, to many variables.
All in all just aire on the side of caution.
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Thanks.

[Q] So I'm rooted now..

So I'm rooted and I have SuperSU installed.
I'm not interested in flashing a custom rom just yet as I'm not having any problems with stock.
If I was to root, I was told to look for vanilla or vanilla based roms....so if anyone has suggestions there...
Anyway, I would like to remove a lot of the bloatware.
What program can I use to delete apps that I couldn't delete while non-rooted?

Titanium Backup.
Backup all the apps you delete though, because if you accidentally delete an important piece of bloatware (oxymoron), you'll want it back.

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Titanium Backup.
Backup all the apps you delete though, because if you accidentally delete an important piece of bloatware (oxymoron), you'll want it back.
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Thank you.
Do we have a list of apps that are safe to remove?

Generally all Sprint labeled apps are A-OK!
Also, many are available on the play store.

If you install the MoDaCo toolkit (look in the forums for the link), there's an option called "button mod" that will let you disable all system apps. If you don't really know what you're doing, disabling is much safer than outright removing, especially if you're considering staying with stock.
There are a number of stock-based ROMs, but rooted+stock is probably a better way of getting started.

Rirere said:
If you install the MoDaCo toolkit (look in the forums for the link), there's an option called "button mod" that will let you disable all system apps. If you don't really know what you're doing, disabling is much safer than outright removing, especially if you're considering staying with stock.
There are a number of stock-based ROMs, but rooted+stock is probably a better way of getting started.
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You can disable (Freeze) apps using Titanium Backup as wells which may be easier for the OP then installing MoDaCo...

Marcm15 said:
You can disable (Freeze) apps using Titanium Backup as wells which may be easier for the OP then installing MoDaCo...
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I don't disagree, but MoDaCo is free and provides an integrated solution (the stock app manager) to just get your feet wet with what you should disable/really, really shouldn't. It's also not particularly hard; like Titanium Backup it requires two apps installed, and you check a box in one and you're done.
Not that I have anything against paying for apps. Titanium Backup is one of my most-frequently used apps, but I can also remember some major disasters I brought upon myself when I was first learning how it worked.

Rirere said:
Not that I have anything against paying for apps. Titanium Backup is one of my most-frequently used apps, but I can also remember some major disasters I brought upon myself when I was first learning how it worked.
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I think we've all had those disasters while learning:silly: I am still learning and always keep my fingers crossed whenever I try something new. I have to say that just about all my knowledge and skills have been developed here on XDA. I was a lurker for years before I actually signed up...

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I think we've all had those disasters while learning:silly: I am still learning and always keep my fingers crossed whenever I try something new. I have to say that just about all my knowledge and skills have been developed here on XDA. I was a lurker for years before I actually signed up...
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Once bitten twice shy, as they say. Or rather, I would say if I ever remembered to do nandroids...definitely agree with you regarding XDA though. It's a great source of information and fun tweaks to try.