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I just got a Tilt and tried the SNE 2.5. For anyone using it I have a few questions.
My Fn keys don't seem to line up to the keyboard for example
On the Tilt Q has ! on it and W has @ on it. When I do Fn and Q I get @ instead of !. Other keys have this issue as well.
Also I get a rainbow color at the top when in portrait mode.
I can't seem to make voice dialing a side button like I could with my 8525 default ATT ROM.
**This is NOT intended as a flame**
You did not read properly before jumping in head first. Start with the Kaiser Wiki and GWENI linked in my signature.
Arius1 said:
I just got a Tilt and tried the SNE 2.5. For anyone using it I have a few questions.
My Fn keys don't seem to line up to the keyboard for example
On the Tilt Q has ! on it and W has @ on it. When I do Fn and Q I get @ instead of !. Other keys have this issue as well.
Also I get a rainbow color at the top when in portrait mode.
I can't seem to make voice dialing a side button like I could with my 8525 default ATT ROM.
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just install this and soft reset. It will fix your keyboard settings. bye.
Thank both and I didn't see that wiki. The keyboard is fixed but I don't see anything in the wiki about the rainbow coloring I am having. The voice command that the wiki talks about isn't my issue. Button 6 exists but with this ROM it doesn't list the Voicecommand as a option under all the settings.
Arius1 said:
Thank both and I didn't see that wiki. The keyboard is fixed but I don't see anything in the wiki about the rainbow coloring I am having. The voice command that the wiki talks about isn't my issue. Button 6 exists but with this ROM it doesn't list the Voicecommand as a option under all the settings.
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post a screen shot of the rainbow coloring you are receiving.
Here you go.
That really isn't a screenshot so I cannot answer the rainbow question because I can hardly see it. Anyhow, I'm sure you searched how to remap button 6. There are a few cab files floating around that will allow you to do that without any issues.
That is a battery status bar.
Take a look at the SNE thread to confirm it.
Sorry try this shot.
It's not button 6 that's the issue it's that voice dial isn't listed as an app that can be applied to button 6.
Thanks jym04 that is what the coloring is at the top. Thank you for pointing it out.
Now if I can figure out why a MMS message isn't downloading and the voice dial I can use this thing.
A side note on the 8525 the 3G icon wouldn't be big like it is in my picture it would always show two arrows saying it's constantly connected. I used the tweaks that are built into the ROM to say always connected but nothing.
with the bar on top of your display (you call it rainbow color) you can watch your battery status. It´s not a bug, it´s a feature
Arius1 said:
Sorry try this shot.
It's not button 6 that's the issue it's that voice dial isn't listed as an app that can be applied to button 6.
Thanks jym04 that is what the coloring is at the top. Thank you for pointing it out.
Now if I can figure out why a MMS message isn't downloading and the voice dial I can use this thing.
A side note on the 8525 the 3G icon wouldn't be big like it is in my picture it would always show two arrows saying it's constantly connected. I used the tweaks that are built into the ROM to say always connected but nothing.
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Thats the VistaHide battery plugin.
Arius1 said:
Sorry try this shot.
It's not button 6 that's the issue it's that voice dial isn't listed as an app that can be applied to button 6.
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Create a shortcut to voice dial in your Start Menu (or subdirectory therein). Then it will appear as an app that you can apply to buttons.
I got flamed for asking a similar question (different app) and I couldn't find an answer through search either.
Thank you Exitao!
Wow proud to see ppl still flashing my ROMS...
Since there IS a topic about using the G-sensor, I guess it is a good idea to come up with a thread about using the capacative touchpad of the diamond.
Since the test-tools were out, we saw that the left and right part of the centre-button is a multi-touch enabled touchpad.
It could be used in so many ways, for gestures, extra 'hardware' keys, etc. That's the reason for this topic.
Hey, I reverse engineered the Nav wheel. It may be multitouch, but the raw data I get back from the Diamond does not indicate that it is. The only data I was able to retrieve is rotations per second. I also have not figured out how to reverse engineer the center button.
Koush said:
Hey, I reverse engineered the Nav wheel. It may be multitouch, but the raw data I get back from the Diamond does not indicate that it is. The only data I was able to retrieve is rotations per second. I also have not figured out how to reverse engineer the center button.
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Maybe you have already seen it .. but check out the 'NavDbgTool.exe' here...
http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=Diamond_Testing_Tool
Riel said:
Since there IS a topic about using the G-sensor, I guess it is a good idea to come up with a thread about using the capacative touchpad of the diamond.
Since the test-tools were out, we saw that the left and right part of the centre-button is a multi-touch enabled touchpad.
It could be used in so many ways, for gestures, extra 'hardware' keys, etc. That's the reason for this topic.
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Good idea ! I was thinking about starting such topic..
What about a unlocker ? If you slide your finger from Home key to the Answer key and at the same time you slide your other finger from the Back key to the Don't Answer key ? Could be nice.. just an idea!
What I have seen, that is quite hard, since above and below the nav-pad is no touch-pad. It sees it as 'nav-pad action' then.
I thought of navigating in another way.
What multitouch-applications do there exist, and are any of them usable for the limited space we have besides the nav-wheel?
It DOES give 4 extra 'hardware' keys. Even key-combinations can be made
Maybe some genious will find a slick way of text-inputting via the 2 pads !
Just give it a small kick upwards
Dont let this topic die?
I was just looking at this for a bit, think I get some clues about how to get the data. I have a time-problem, though Will probably be a while before I pick it up again.
However, I think I saw Schaps mention he is using it in his new touchxperience UI, that'd mean he knows how to do it. Why not just ask him?
I can see one use already. Capacitive sensors are more responsive than resistive screens, so it would be cool to use this in place of touching the screen to scroll through touchflo3d tabs.
Surur
Does any one know if this is implemented in the touch pro? and if so, in what way? Maybe we will inherit whatever the pro has to offer in this regard.
YESSSS!
This is awsome!
Did you guyzz see the vid vid?
Unlocking the Diamond with no Hard button touch at alll?.
Cheers fellasss
Nice, looking forward to a nice task manager and launcher mouse pad thing in the future!
A mouse like on the Samsung Omnia would be a good idea.
Surur
Not really multitouch
OK, I've download the NavDBG tool and played with it... strictly speaking this isn't multitouch, or not multitouch in the way that the apple looks at it. It's single touch but split into 3 areas. Basically imagine the button area at the bottom of the diamond is split into 3 columns.
You have 3 single touch areas:
1) On the left with the home and dial buttons
2) In the middle tracking outside the circle or also detecting a touch (not a button press) inside the circle. If you finger touches both outside and inside the circle, outside the circle takes precedence
3) On the right with the back and hangup buttons.
The multitouch impression comes from the fact that all 3 of these single touch areas can be used simultaneously.
This doesn't in my opinion open up brilliant options in terms of pinch to shrink spread to enlarge ala apple, but it does mean that a device fairly limited in terms of buttons could get a lot of good enhancements to useability.
My biggest annoyance with the device is when you are trying to gesture in TF3D or in an app (eg scrolling in opera) and it decides you've tapped mid gesture and follows a link etc, using the louch sensitive lower areas for gestures would eliminate this problem and make for a much better user experience (in my opinion).
Also, for games, the potential to use the touch sensitive lower area for a range of game controls would be great.
So all good stuff, but not strictly speaking multitouch.
edit: Additionally it seems to only see a narrow horizontal band in the middle (wheel) section. Interestingly it seems to register about 1cm on each side of the wheel and inside the button, it seems to infer rotation around the wheel based on the finger movements as it crosses these areas.
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This doesn't in my opinion open up brilliant options in terms of pinch to shrink spread to enlarge ala apple
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Seeing how small the pad area it, this would still work, just with fingers on different sensitive areas. If fact, this sounds like a perfect first implementation - zooming in Opera Mobile (although a bit senseless since the scroll wheel works with one hand while pinching will need two).
Surur
i think the biggest advantage of this revelation will the benefit of some new added buttons. I can think of a few uses for them too.
left/right touch to
move fwd/back through tabs in opera
skip fwd/back tracks in music player
pounding the hell out of when playing daily thompsons decathalon (if anyone remembers that great 80's game)
I remember reading somewhere that someone is preparing a SDK for this. I think it's very important since we have almost no programmable keys. This can be used as extra keys. Any news on this front?
aydc said:
I remember reading somewhere that someone is preparing a SDK for this. I think it's very important since we have almost no programmable keys. This can be used as extra keys. Any news on this front?
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I would love to see this!
My full on support.
I was thinking of using the touchpanels for a mousepointer control!
I know, when browsing opera, my fingers are too fat to click small links.
Must keep zooming.
I wonder if it was possible to pop up a mouse cursor, and move it with one small touch-panel. The other panel for left and rightclicks.
I have held my diamond with that idea, and I think it is very useful and finger-friendly!
CapacitiveFingerLock
I did make a Proof of Concept of CapacativeFingerLock. This one gives another possibility of locking/unlocking the Touch Diamond or Touch Pro.
I'm one of the 10% of left handed people in the world and was wondering if anybody had managed to make a rom for kaiser for us lefties if not then whats the best solution as the scroll bar on the right hand right means my hand is over the screen so i cant see while i have to scroll hope someone can shed some light on this
Try looking around here, although I don't remember seeing any left-handed ROMs there. As for the scroll bar, there was a thread about that in the Off-Topic forum a while ago, and although many agreed that it would be nice to do, nobody had the slightest idea how one would do so.
You might want to try a WM6.5 ROM, as they have excellent finger scrolling (so long as you disable Touchflo scrolling in Kaisertweak).
Dave
we should make a seperate lefties forum lol
I agree, for me, WM6.5 overall works great. Contact, home screen, app launcher scrolling were all seamless. and the old control panel type stuff is gone so you get to use the honeycomb to browse through the settings options.
for me it's way better than trying to use a tiny scroll bar no matter what side it's on.
Has anyone else tried the new build?
What do you guys think?
I personally hate the new arrangement (with the close menu at the bottom). Plus it f.... up a lot of my apps as that bar seems to overlap on the menus of many apps.
I repeat what I posted on WMPoweruser:
My feelings are the same as before.
The UI is not consistent in it's look, some things are so bad.
What I like:
1. Homescreen
2. Enlarged task bar
3. Some UI elements enlarged
4. Smooth scrolling through almost anything
5. Apps menu when hitting windows icon.
6. New buttons added
I hate:
1. Too big menus – scrolling through menus is a pain in the ****ing ass.
Why do display 3 lines of text on a big screen?!
Hopefully it'll change on higher res devices though
2. New buttons look like ****. As well as scroll bar – it does not go anywhere
with the old UI look. I appreciate this "3D" attempt but it could be simpler!
3. All the elements are enlarged to the extent it looks like a dumb phone. Awful.
4. Hopefully the blue colour can be changed.
So, very mixed emotions as for me. But I hope this video is on TPro or Diamond,
so on 480×800 screens it will look smaller. What a waste of space, look at build in file manager
or the menu in Total Commander, IDIOTIC.
Double post
I like the 23022+ Builds, aside from 2 points.
1) The lower buttons now overlap my Manilla slightly, looks odd but doesn't really effect functionality.
2) Accessing task manager is MUCH harder.
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2) Accessing task manager is MUCH harder.
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What do you mean?
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The leak 23034 looks so much better!
When I tap the top-right corner in 6.1/other 6.5 Roms I get the little drop down menu where it shows my open programs. On 6.5 (at least the rom I tried) was very iffy with that, I press the top right and I kept getting the enlarged notification bar.
I really hate the new look its just so messed up. just making things bigger doesn't mean its finger friendly. they just making things bigger. what if they remove the bottom bar and make it look more like android. they have to change alot on the interface.
whats preventing me to go android is that there is no good navigation software i have tomtom on my x1. if i didn't use tomtom i was gone from wm to android.
I hope for us that the final build will look better than this and i will stay with older builds without the bigger battom bar.
the only thing that i like is the homescreen with titanium and the scrolling but that was it.
23028 looks really incomplete, which is a bit off putting, but is obviously to be expected. 23034 looks a lot better, and both builds show MS is going in the right direction anyway. I just hope it can be sorted so the newer builds don't overlap with TouchFlo, cos it looks a bit weird when it does.
Hey is there anyway to change the menu bar at the bottom where there is a little windows icon (in the newer builds of WINMO) back to the original start menu in the top left corner???
mce0004 said:
Hey is there anyway to change the menu bar at the bottom where there is a little windows icon (in the newer builds of WINMO) back to the original start menu in the top left corner???
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Short answer = No.
The whole point of these new 6.5.X builds is to have it at the bottom and bigger so it's more finger friendly.
dwizzy130
Actually, having it on the top left was more finger friendly to me. Holding the phone with my left hand, my thumb has to do some serious contortionist moves to tap the start button on the bottom, whereas on the top it's just a little above where my thumb can reach, so just a minor stretch. I actually prefer the 6.5 builds because of this.
Well, that and the "Finger friendly" initiative microsoft is taking seems to be just make everything bigger, a big patch fix rather than an honest effort at revamping the backend.
EDIT: this has very little to do with ROM cooking though, so I imagine this thread will be moved or closed soon.
mce0004 said:
Hey is there anyway to change the menu bar at the bottom where there is a little windows icon (in the newer builds of WINMO) back to the original start menu in the top left corner???
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Sounds like you have to look for Build 21889 (COM2 branch) ROM's! That's what you want!
tmotp2jc said:
Actually, having it on the top left was more finger friendly to me. Holding the phone with my left hand, my thumb has to do some serious contortionist moves to tap the start button on the bottom, whereas on the top it's just a little above where my thumb can reach, so just a minor stretch. I actually prefer the 6.5 builds because of this.
Well, that and the "Finger friendly" initiative microsoft is taking seems to be just make everything bigger, a big patch fix rather than an honest effort at revamping the backend.
EDIT: this has very little to do with ROM cooking though, so I imagine this thread will be moved or closed soon.
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After using WM6.5.X about an yr! I strongly disagree that top ones are fingerfriendly..
ai6908 said:
After using WM6.5.X about an yr! I strongly disagree that top ones are fingerfriendly..
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hmmm..never used my fingers to press that but it's thumb friendly enough for me but yea i am not a fan of the menu bar at the bottom so i use the 21889 build which has the old style that you like. If you look at NRG's newest ROM he cooked both builds