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A Brief Comparison of 7 ... Almost ALL TouchHD ROMs - FYI

It's glad to see there are so many kind guys are making ROMs for Touch HD. But for an end use it is too time-consuming to flash all of these great ROMs to pick a proper one for him/her.
To assistant selecing a proper ROM for you, here is a simple/brief comparison of 7 Touch HD ROMs here (Google docs):
Now you can check almost all Touch HD ROMs' features in this new spreadsheet:
http://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?key=pw0YkbV43nsX7HipwXN8YWQ
Thanks to:
frogjaw2, Tito, Fallen Spartan
ROMs include WM 6.1 and 6.5, WWE and other languages, Cooked ROM, heavy ROMs etc.
ROMs:
Heavy ROMs
Laurentius26 Touching HD
Black Pearl
Dutty's HD XTREME
Pzucchel
Davideuck
EnergyROM
Davideuck_V-4_HP
Windows Mobile 6.5
taiseer999
Miri
Davideuck
MaryOne
Karmba_a HD
Chinese ROM
Cooked ROMs
Black Dragon's ROM
Black Dragon's ROM
CHO HTC released by taiseer999
Starbase64 UC
M-Amine Silver
DIB Touch HD
Stage6
Black Pearl
Mago
Live HD
Torliss HD
Pyrana
BlackCook
LPHD
i-Style Blackstone
EPS Black Rose II
Lite ROMs
a Touch of HD
Pzucchel
Black Pearl
Barebone
Lite ROM
Uzeb_Ultimate
Don't forget to select different tabs at the bottom of the spreadsheet.
Again, you can send private message or email to frogjaw2 if you'd like to contribute.
Updates from old to new:
[UPDATE 1]
bobsbbq is kind enought to share his work:
HTC_HD_ROM_Benchmarks_3_2009.zip
this is a cool and tech-savvy sheet full of ... (come on, download it and have a look )

A good start and I had the same idea but the problem is Forum rules state post with subjective material is a violation. By you stating folders are ugly to you it may not be to another person, therefore it is subjective.
Another suggestion is on the soft key menus state whether it is in only manila or system wide large menus.
I wish you luck in the thread remaining open.

bobsbbq said:
A good start and I had the same idea but the problem is Forum rules state post with subjective material is a violation. By you stating folders are ugly to you it may not be to another person, therefore it is subjective.
Another suggestion is on the soft key menus state whether it is in only manila or system wide large menus.
I wish you luck in the thread remaining open.
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Thanks for reminding. Sorry for my words. I've updated the spreadsheet.
And, if it states HTC large menu, it's all system wide.

It would be a disaster if this thread were to be closed - this is vital information for people new around here.
The only downside to things like this is that it is of course subjective, but that really isn't enough, in this case, to warrant closing the thread. This is a topic that I think about *every* time I see another release of a ROM, and frankly, I'm bloody sick of hard resetting my device just so I can try out the latest and greatest from people (currently poking around with the two 6.5 roms from Miri and Davideuch)
I really hope this thread stays open, and that the spreadsheet improves over time

In my opinion, there is a lot of non subjective information here.
Figures about speed would be really interesting, if this is somehow measurable.

resettarget said:
It's glad to see there are so many kind guys are making ROMs for Touch HD. But for an end use it is too time-consuming to flash all of these great ROMs to pick a proper one for him/her.
To assistant selecing a proper ROM for you, I made a simple/brief comparison of 7 Touch HD ROMs here (Google docs):
http://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?key=puhL_ng3RDqQ4KoAKOZeBcA
ROMs compared are:
. Energy
. Davideuck_V-4_HP
. Dutty
. Davideuck_V-7
. panosha Black Pearl
. Kwbr
. Uzeb
Please be noted:
. Latest versions I found are used.
. Only WWE Windows Mobile 6.1 ROMs are compared. Really I don't like WM 6.5
. This comparison is by no means really completed. I compared only the features I'm interested in. For example, I don't think there is great difference amony different CE OS kernel version, so I didn't compare them.
Hope helpful.
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Funny I was actually talking to bobsbbq last week about doing a thread similar to this with comparisons between roms I have tested including performance outputs etc
You beat me to it. If I can help in anything let me know

Just a note Dutty's icons are not customized, those are new HTC icons in the Start Menu. Dutty's roms are always the closest roms to Classic/ Stock Roms i've found.
Also Opera is included in Dutty's v2.6, Manila is not classic its the newest HTC build v2 (unless i don't understand what you mean by classic)

good comparison! well done.
there is one more feature i personaly find useful, is the facebook link. If "My Contact card" and contacts are linked with facebook. I am not sure if this feature is completely independent or if it is always in, when push internet is integrated.
I am sure that facebook link works in Dutty ROM, but is no integrated in Energy ROM.

qpasatio said:
In my opinion, there is a lot of non subjective information here.
Figures about speed would be really interesting, if this is somehow measurable.
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I agree... measurable specs would be more interesting... I know that Dutty for example publishes a lot of measurements of his ROMs on his site...

nice work
I like the spread sheet I was thinking about doing that, great job man

3g compatable
Thanks for the comparisions - great job. Another important inclusion in your charts could be whether the rom supports 3g.
I have installed several cooked roms from different people and have noticed that some do not support the 850 band I require for 3g coverage.
The latest roms I installed were Davidueks V4 and Duttys 2.6. Both very good roms and each has it advantages / disadvantages but I have stayed with Dutty as V4 does not enable the 3g which I require.

thanks for the spreadsheet.. might also be good to add in whether it is a GSM or 3G ROM as the Energy rom is gsm. cheers man!

go ahead
nice to have this kind of comparison. spare some extra flashing. would be nice to extend with more technical details like size of rom after flashing or figures of benchmarks etc. thanks for your great starting idea. i'm back to see your spreadsheet. i hope it will be migrated to stickyes soon when more people think it valuable.

Here is a spreadsheet I started on
resettarget said:
It's glad to see there are so many kind guys are making ROMs for Touch HD. But for an end use it is too time-consuming to flash all of these great ROMs to pick a proper one for him/her.
To assistant selecing a proper ROM for you, I made a simple/brief comparison of 7 Touch HD ROMs here (Google docs):
http://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?key=puhL_ng3RDqQ4KoAKOZeBcA
ROMs compared are:
. Energy
. Davideuck_V-4_HP
. Dutty
. Davideuck_V-7
. panosha Black Pearl
. Kwbr
. Uzeb
Please be noted:
. Latest versions I found are used.
. Only WWE Windows Mobile 6.1 ROMs are compared. Really I don't like WM 6.5
. This comparison is by no means really completed. I compared only the features I'm interested in. For example, I don't think there is great difference amony different CE OS kernel version, so I didn't compare them.
Hope helpful.
[UPDATED:]
I'm not a native-english speaker so by no means I'd like to be subjective. The word in western culture/english is a little difficult for me to fully understand.
I don't mean to attack or depreciate any ROM author who is thankful and deserve respect. Well the title had better to be something like 'cheat sheet' or 'feature briefing' which looks more friendly. I'm not sure whether 'comparison' is, sort of, aggresive. (looks like thread author can't change the thread's title ?)
How about sharing the doc with volunteers who'd like to update it?
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Here you go. A spreadsheet I started on. Graphs look good to the eye. I hope it helps you. I like to share

bobsbbq said:
Here you go. A spreadsheet I started on. Graphs look good to the eye. I hope it helps you. I like to share
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Excellent spreadsheet bobsbbq. Glad you shared!

Excellent......
Nice work people....hope we can keep it alive....

bobsbbq said:
Here you go. A spreadsheet I started on. Graphs look good to the eye. I hope it helps you. I like to share
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That's exactly what I had in mind... Awesome!

nice work
nice work, there should be more information included though.

naqvi514 said:
nice work, there should be more information included though.
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Can't just say that, otherwise pointless post. What other information would you like?...... and maybe we can add this to spreadsheets

Fallen Spartan said:
Can't just say that, otherwise pointless post. What other information would you like?...... and maybe we can add this to spreadsheets
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well something like
memory/storage consumtions etc.
and whether the rom is based on new or old manila, as it makes lot of difference when it comes to compare the features.

Just the Blackstone Rom + new Manila - I would pay for it.

Hi guys,
tell me, is it not possible to have a normal blackstone rom with the new Manila? I do not understand why there is always the wish to cram the roms. The more the roms are crammed the more bugs we get.
In the meanwhile, I am really willing to pay for it, if it is just possible to get a slim rom, with the new manila, without bugs. And, if possible, in German, but that's not that important.
I'm about to cry

The problem is that even Windows Mobile is not free of bugs. And of course the beta of the new manila isn´t free of bugs at all.
the chefs are trying to get rid of the bugs out of windows mobile or manila
lamajstro said:
Hi guys,
tell me, is it not possible to have a normal blackstone rom with the new Manila? I do not understand why there is always the wish to cram the roms. The more the roms are crammed the more bugs we get.
In the meanwhile, I am really willing to pay for it, if it is just possible to get a slim rom, with the new manila, without bugs. And, if possible, in German, but that's not that important.
I'm about to cry
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The other problem is the new manila requires many other packages to run properly. And some Blackstone packages don't work with the new manila etc.
This is why you never see just a cab to install the new manilla.

Ah, I see, thank you guys for the background infos. Now, I can understand the problem better.
Well, that's really a pity. I guess, there won't be a version for the HD by HTC or do you know something about that?
I also thought of exchanging my HD with a TD2, when it comes out within the next weeks. But I don't know yet.
Another question: Do you know, where I can find the background of the new manila, so that I could at least use that!?
Thank you!

try onkolog rom's. it's bug free and it's lite. for every other progs that missing in the rom you have cab's on his post. It's the fastest rom around here also.

Robert A said:
try onkolog rom's. it's bug free and it's lite. for every other progs that missing in the rom you have cab's on his post. It's the fastest rom around here also.
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Well, that's the one I am using right now, but there is the rotation bug in HTC album, which, for me at least, is very annoying. The pictures do not rotate although I move the device!

lamajstro said:
Well, that's the one I am using right now, but there is the rotation bug in HTC album, which, for me at least, is very annoying. The pictures do not rotate although I move the device!
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It's not a bug - this is how the new album works. It actually rotates pictures, but not by g-sensor, it just fits them automatically. On the other hand, it's much faster than the previous one.

[11-27]Incomplete Comparision: Add 826x and twinge's ROM

11-27
New update:
1. Add 826x (one of the fastest manila rom!), twinge's rom (very light!)
2. Update EnergyROM and Christian's ROM to the latest version.
3. I recommand 826x! it's really fast and stable. Such a pitty that i haven't tested it before, although a lot of friends has recommended it in my thread.
4. It's good to see that the performance of Energyrom increased, especially during the GPS loading test. Maybe due to the new kernel?
5. Suprisingly to see that christian removed manila from his panels!
6. I tried to test some other ROMs, but failed. Including: Russell Eclair XPure (I couldn't donwload) and X2 Rom Port (my X1 just hang-up after flashing).
NO more updates. I hope I can continue this tough job, as long as it's still useful for some X1 users. Well, since a lot of chefs are quitting X1, I don't know how long will my job be still useful?
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9-5
New update:
1. Added Laurenti's ROM. This is the LITEST ROM I've ever tried! It's only 55MB! As we all know, EnergyROMs are always larger than 200MB, and even SGXU's ROMs or X2 ROMs are over 100MB. So, Laurenti cut a lot of functions, even including CHOME and Connection Setup (which means you have to setup your connection by yourself). It has the best performance!
2. Added Xara V1.2. This ROM is the extension of Jerpelea's X2 ROM. Well, it's performance is obviously better.
3. Updated EnergyROM and Valkyrie 7.3. It's great to see Agent's coming back!
4. Used GPS software (called Kailide or KLD, which I use very often in mainland China) to test the performance of the ROM. It's much easier than using SPB benchmark. One more thing is, I always use File Explorer (WM build-in) to test the open speed of Windows Folder. If I use Resco File Explorer, it'll be much faster.
5. Divided all the ROMs into two categories: with Manila, and without Manila. So, I compared the parameters within each category. It's much easier for you to compare and choose.
6. NO more updates. I've tried to download and test 826x ROM, but failed.
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7-17
As I've promised, I'm updating my thread within July.
1. Updated all the ROMs to the latest version.
2. Added Jack's ROM according to many suggestions. I found that this is the FASTEST ROM with manila, even faster than X2-010b without Manila! And it also has build-in support for Chinese Simplified, Chinese Triditional and Japanese. So, it is a good ROM!
3. Added Genesis's ROM. Thanks a lot to GCCF65, who gave me the data (I didn't test this ROM by myself).
4. Due to some reasons that I haven't found, the SPB Benchmark compare function is not working, in my laptop as well as my desktop (maybe due to some changes of the service from SPB?). So, I have changed the performence test method from 'SPB benchmark' to 'open windows folder speed'. I know it's not very accurate, so if someone know a better (and easier, please understand that I'm only an individual person) method, please tell me. Otherwise, this seems to be the only choice.
5. I'm very sorry that I couldn't test ever ROM people request. I'm just doing my best. So, for those ROM I missed, I'll try them in the future (but WM6.5 only)
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5-22
1.Updated all the ROMs to the latest version. X2-R3AA35-005 is still under development, so the result is not so good.
2.Added Christian's ROM. I found that it's very interesting! Both tilewave and manila are available, as panels! I'm now using it for my X1, and hopefully it's stable. And, the kernel version is rather old, so Christian should update it soon.
3.Added 'memo' to each ROM, describing some other useful information.
You my find the attachments for all the results.
China1
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4-11
Updated X2 ROM to latest 006 version.
It seems that this ROM is really fast! The bootup time is much shooter than the others (without Manila of course), and SPB Benchmark is also good. The only problem is that, it's not stable (as always).
China1
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4-9
Added Touch-IT ROM as so many ppl required.
But the result seems not so good (as well as my personal experience). What's more, 2 test functions of SPB Benchmark even failed. I don't know the reason.
There are some other small modifications. Please see the attachments for detail.
China1
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4-6
I have updated the ROM comparasion table, as following:
1. New ROMs. EnergyROM: 4/1; Valkyrie: V6.3; UnOff: Xperialeo & Xperialeo Win7; X2: 016 (Not updated). I'm sorry that I couldn't find the latest Touch-IT ROM for test.
2. Add bootup time. According to the results, EnergyROM is the fastest (actually not much difference).
3. Benchmark improved. This should be the most interesting field of the table. After analysing SPB Benchmark (it is still one of the best benchmark software on the market, even quite old), I found out that:
3.1. The indexes are the higher the better.
3.2. The 'SPB Index' is useless. It's just a weighted sum of all indexes. So, we should pay more attention on the subindexes.
3.3. The benchmark results are not stable. When I did the same test for the same ROM in the same enviorment, I found out that the results are different! So, I did 2-3 times of test for each ROM, and used the most reliable results.
3.4. The benchmark results are not much related to the applications installed. I have done the same test for same ROM, on a clean ROM and a loaded (software, SMS, contacts, call logs, etc) ROM, and I found that the loaded ROM is only 2% lower than clean ROM!
3.5. Here are some descriptions of sub indexes:
3.5.1 CPU: almost the same for every ROM (that's for sure).
3.5.2 file system: It seems that Valkyrie V6.3 is so fast! And the rest ROMs are almost the same. The advantages of Valkyrie are on write and copy of multiple small files. So, I think maybe this is due to the file cache or buffer setting. I think chefs should know this.
3.5.3 Graphics: Again Valkyrie V6.3 trumph! And the rest ROMs are almost the same. I think it may be related to the driver or something. I think chefs should know this.
3.6. After benchmarking, I have run another test by my own eye. I used file explorer to open the '\Windows' directory, and see the time cost. I found out that Valkyrie V6.3 didn't have too much advantages. So, I think the benchmark results are only for reference. But anyway, I still think they are still some kind of useful.
3.7. My test method:
3.7.1. SPB Benchmark V1.6.
3.7.2. Copy SPB Benchmark to Main Memory
3.7.3. Remove SD Card, Turn off phone
3.7.4. Restart
3.7.5. Skip Word Test & IE Test
3.7.6. Unplugged
You may find the attachments as all the benchmark results and comparasion table restuls (0406).
Finally, I'd like to say thanks to all the chefs. And, I'd like to say something for myself. I'm only an ordinary guy, who's doing this for the convienence and reference for someone who might be in need. I'm not related to any chef, I'm not a phone lab, and I have completely NO personal benefit or donation for doing this. So, if my work could help you, that's good; if not, or even 'mislead' you, please forgive me, since I have no intention for that.
Cheers,
China1
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3-12
First of all, I'd like to thank so many cooks that contributed so much for our X1. Without you guys, my X1 was just any ordinary phone.
I found that quite some people here were asking for the information about ROMs, which one is better? Stable? Fast? Less power consumption? etc. Since I have used some ROM series (chaning frequently, as you could imagine), I'd like to share some personal opinons here.
After a whole day working, I made a Comparison table, as you can find in attachments. Please remind that, in EnergyROM and Valkyrie columns, the first number means NO Manlia, and second number means WITH Manlia.
About Benchmark Result (also in attchments):
I couldn't find out a proper benchmarking software. The only 'famous' one is SPB Benchmark V1.6, which was made almost 2 years ago. I'm not sure whether it is still accurate or not, since M$ has already upgraded their OS from WM 5.0 to WM 6.5. The funny thing is that, I don't know whether the numbers mean the higher the better, or vice versa (there is no . According to my user experience, I think the result is: X2 > UnOff X1.5 > Valkyrie /EnergyROM (No manila) > Valkeyrie/EnergyROM (with manila). If someone is the expert of this, or knows some great WM Benchmarking software, please let me know.
Finally, I'm not a cook or expert on this. Definitely I might make some mistakes, and that means NO offense to any cooks or personnals. I just want to contribute some efforts to someone might in need. I also want to use this for the decision of my X1 ROM.
Cheers!

Dude, this is great! Thank you for your report! I think it's very helpful.
There might be the usual nannies who will get on your thread and tell everyone that they have to try ROMs themselves, but just ignore their cackling.
Anyway, I hope you consider expanding this to a few other ROMs, and updating it regularly. You'll definitely get a lot of followers!
And welcome. Nice first post

yeah，its awesome。 Maybe next time u can add Christians rom in to da list

Energy ROM>ALL
Not that there is anything wrong with the other roms, I just like energy rom the best!

please add a 6.1 rom like touchX 10.9
all 6.1 roms seem to perform a lot better than 6.5 ROMs

ring-bearer said:
Dude, this is great! Thank you for your report! I think it's very helpful.
There might be the usual nannies who will get on your thread and tell everyone that they have to try ROMs themselves, but just ignore their cackling.
Anyway, I hope you consider expanding this to a few other ROMs, and updating it regularly. You'll definitely get a lot of followers!
And welcome. Nice first post
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Thanks a lot for your compliment, dude. I'm so glad that it IS helpful.
By now I've just tried these 4 ROMS so far. I'd like to expend the list, but I need more time. And the most important thing is, I just have ONE X1, for both testing and daily using...

THE GRIZZ said:
please add a 6.1 rom like touchX 10.9
all 6.1 roms seem to perform a lot better than 6.5 ROMs
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I'm so sorry, only 6.5 so far... I always prefer the latest version. And I don't have that much time even for 6.5...
BTW, I'd tried TouchX Series, and I think it was quite stable. It was the last 6.1 ROM, after that I switched to 6.5 completely. So, it is a GREAT ROM.

nice post

China_1 said:
Thanks a lot for your compliment, dude. I'm so glad that it IS helpful.
By now I've just tried these 4 ROMS so far. I'd like to expend the list, but I need more time. And the most important thing is, I just have ONE X1, for both testing and daily using...
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If you are going to do comparison, you should also do all comparison for 6.0 wm app and 6.1 app. it will be very miss leading just to do benchmark for witch roms and chefs is fast when the day use is sod and hang when you install your app. Please do a comparison also for the exiting app before saying which is best.
What the use of fast benchmark when can't use for your wm app to help you with your work. Might as well get an iphone or wait ........

China'
Have you thought about using the SKTools benchmark? I think it's fairly accurate because when I overclocked my X1 the performance and benchmarks increased as expected. And a lot of people on here are familiar with that tool.
Anyway, consider everyone's suggestions but do what you feel comfortable with. It's your thread.

THIS is awesome...good going man...Confucius say "u have bright future"

Gr8t work~tks

I had the same your comment about ROMcooks. Some of ROMcooked which base X2 isnt suitable with SKtook new version, so they very smootly, very fast with my device

nice....i jst saw it...thnx...give me an insight on what i have to do nex
but i must add, which version of no manila ROM did you use from valkyrie?

jimk68 said:
If you are going to do comparison, you should also do all comparison for 6.0 wm app and 6.1 app. it will be very miss leading just to do benchmark for witch roms and chefs is fast when the day use is sod and hang when you install your app. Please do a comparison also for the exiting app before saying which is best.
What the use of fast benchmark when can't use for your wm app to help you with your work. Might as well get an iphone or wait ........
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Sorry man, I really couldn't do that (although I really wanted). You know, there are so many applications on earth, and I'm not a phone test lab ...
But actually SPB Benchmark includes some application tests. I skipped some (word test & IE test, maybe because of the newer versions), but you can still see the results from the benchmarking result table. Hopefully it's useful.

ring-bearer said:
China'
Have you thought about using the SKTools benchmark? I think it's fairly accurate because when I overclocked my X1 the performance and benchmarks increased as expected. And a lot of people on here are familiar with that tool.
Anyway, consider everyone's suggestions but do what you feel comfortable with. It's your thread.
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Hi Dude! Thanx again for your suggestion. I've checked out SKtool benchmark, but I think it has less functions than SPB benchmark (such as application test, compress test, etc). I'll try it's accuracy later (maybe this Sunday, if I and my X1 both have spare time).

agent_47 said:
nice....i jst saw it...thnx...give me an insight on what i have to do nex
but i must add, which version of no manila ROM did you use from valkyrie?
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Hi Agent! I'm so glad to see you in my thread. I've been using your ROM for most of my time. Thanks again for your GREAT work!
I think maybe I didn't write it properly in my post. 'No Manila' means 'Turning Off Manila'.

China_1 said:
Sorry man, I really couldn't do that (although I really wanted). You know, there are so many applications on earth, and I'm not a phone test lab ...
But actually SPB Benchmark includes some application tests. I skipped some (word test & IE test, maybe because of the newer versions), but you can still see the results from the benchmarking result table. Hopefully it's useful.
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Understood, as suggested by ring-bearer SK Tool is very good (the write to spb is quite slow) My benchmark valkyrie is the fastest but that is beside the point, for me. You did says (I also want to use this for the decision of my X1 ROm) so my 2 cent obser... read the thread, have problem look for the thread that wiil help you. not the thread that says you install the app you broke the rom.
Cheers

jimk68 said:
Understood, as suggested by ring-bearer SK Tool is very good (the write to spb is quite slow) My benchmark valkyrie is the fastest but that is beside the point, for me. You did says (I also want to use this for the decision of my X1 ROm) so my 2 cent obser... read the thread, have problem look for the thread that wiil help you. not the thread that says you install the app you broke the rom.
Cheers
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Thanks for your suggestion.

支持楼主，呵呵！！！！:d

ATTENTION: Are you tired of slow Sense 2.5 ROMs??? Click here for more info

If you are sick and tired of slow Sense 2.5 ROM's like I am, I have a solution for ya.
Get a ROM with manila 2016 and no CHT.
Try seeing how that works out. You might miss the functions of CHT but the speed is just incomparable.
I suggest you start with Standard 'Energy' or 'Reference' here:
http://www.easy-share.com/f/1326057875/Rhodium GSM Reference
(for more info click here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=562773)
If you are feeling adventurous, install HTC messaging here:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=700495
I am currently using that and speed incredible!
If you are hating the taskbar icons, click here:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=639842
To all the chefs, please start cooking more ROM's w/o CHT and make the quicklinks smaller (from 3 to 4).
To everyone else, try it and report back. The speed of Sense 2016 is incredible!
Edit: I released a ROM based on this post
Here it is: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=7384359

Jackos Oldschool TF3D ROM is even better. If you can live without Sense, definitely give it a whirl. RAM usage almost NEVER fall under 100mb, unless you really push it, and even still it performs like a beast.
Only thing is, being WM6.1, there isn't much support for it. Everyone mainly supports WM6.5, unless I am not looking hard enough.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=618063
Give it a spin.

iamterence said:
Jackos Oldschool TF3D ROM is even better. If you can live without Sense, definitely give it a whirl. RAM usage almost NEVER fall under 100mb, unless you really push it, and even still it performs like a beast.
Only thing is, being WM6.1, there isn't much support for it. Everyone mainly supports WM6.5, unless I am not looking hard enough.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=618063
Give it a spin.
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I can't give up Sense 2.5 tho
W/o CHT it flies. Performance of manila 2016 is comparable to TF3D even with HTC Messaging on.
I might even start cooking my own ROM since there is no chefs focusing on speed on Sense 2.5

Funny i did the same thing. I'm so over CHT because it causes so many bugs. Our phones are just too slow for it now.
I would also like to add. Stop using the WM 6.5 Lockscreen. It causes memory leaks and takes up too much resources. I suggest using a alternative. ATM i been trying out touchlockpro since its super light and works good for what i need
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=444215

klash said:
Funny i did the same thing. I'm so over CHT because it causes so many bugs. Our phones are just too slow for it now.
I would also like to add. Stop using the WM 6.5 Lockscreen. It causes memory leaks and takes up too much resources. I suggest using a alternative. ATM i been trying out touchlockpro since its super light and works good for what i need
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=444215
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Everyone is crazy about CHT but what is really crazy about it is the resources it uses.
Im using Energy 'Reference' with:
HTC Messaging 2015
S2U2
604MHZ overclock (set at startup and when S2U2 unlocks)
and so far so good!

Well, two thing I will miss :
- Dual analog flip clock
- HQ wallpaper.

shadixs said:
Well, two thing I will miss :
- Dual analog flip clock
- HQ wallpaper.
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I think you can add that w/o CHT
Some mods for Sense 2.5
http://forum.ppcgeeks.com/showthread.php?t=101648
For some clocks
http://forum.ppcgeeks.com/showthread.php?t=105069
I think that the performance increase is well worth being without HQ Wallpapers or Dual analog flip clock either way.

Yeah I recently switch to this ROM. It's the best I've ever used. It still has a high RAM use but you won't notice that unless you love multitasking.
The speed that messages, music player, webpages, apps, contact, ect... launch is amazing. The music player doesn't forget the list of albums (I've got over 12Gig of music so this is important)...
I've tried Core Cell Pro (Which is my second favourite ROM). It's soooo pretty but some usability issues and it's nowhere near as fast Energy Reference.
I've tried a couple of JackOS ROMS, The RAM management is unbelievable in his ROMS. Although it's a bit jerky and slow I find the CPU gets hammered by these ROMS.
I used to be an ENERGY Cookie junky. But the dang thing was unusable, maybe if the TPC had twice the processing power and RAM it would be great... (sonething like the prototype going 'round. the HTC Desire with a slideout keyboard)
just my 2 cents....
the only problem with the energy Reference is that the B&N ereader tab is missing and can't be loaded (well from my limited testing).... still I use Freda so who cares?

What about this simplicity ROM...
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=734399
Any better than the Energy Reference?

anshkhanna said:
What about this simplicity ROM...
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=734399
Any better than the Energy Reference?
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I've tried it. While it IS the fastest S2.5 rom WITH CHT I've tried... its still S25 w/ CHT lol. Jackos Oldschool ROM kinda set the bar for me when it comes to speed and available ROM, and absolutely nothing has been comparable thus far, imo.

DJGonzo said:
Everyone is crazy about CHT but what is really crazy about it is the resources it uses.
Im using Energy 'Reference' with:
HTC Messaging 2015
S2U2
604MHZ overclock (set at startup and when S2U2 unlocks)
and so far so good!
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how did you overclock?

klash said:
how did you overclock?
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Click on the link in my signature.
From my experience, Jacko's is my 2nd favorite ROM while Cosmik Debris is hands down the fastest, and most flawless ROM (no one complains about it... ever.... lol) and it's stripped from sense but you can install sense 2.1 or 2.5 via a cab file (I use sense 2.1 because of the speed) so if you want a fast ROM get Cosmik Debris or Jacko's ;p.

DJGonzo said:
I think you can add that w/o CHT
Some mods for Sense 2.5
http://forum.ppcgeeks.com/showthread.php?t=101648
For some clocks
http://forum.ppcgeeks.com/showthread.php?t=105069
I think that the performance increase is well worth being without HQ Wallpapers or Dual analog flip clock either way.
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Thanks for the link, but all I can find are clock arrays for sense 2.5.19xx. Are those compatible with 2016?
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how did you overclock?
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Here : http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=725290
I run my rhodium at 787 Mhz all time.

shadixs said:
Here : http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=725290
I run my rhodium at 787 Mhz all time.
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Wow, how the battery goes?
Well, i've tested a lot of ROMs, so far i can say:
* Energy ROMs are very "nice" but too slow for me and has a very high RAM use.
* Jackos goes ok, i tried 3 of them, but several times calls goes to voicemail. And despite of his low RAM consuption, everything runs slow.
* Deepshining its ok, but too much loaded IMHO...
* I've tried some pair more like "kalimeo" but i dont remember his performance.
Now im using the WXC iluminati series ROM 21911, and i can say that is almost perfect.
Use sense 2.5 (can't remember wich version) and programs doesn't fly, but runs at a very very reasonable speed, enough for me, that i use my phone for work during all day.
The RAM after boot is about 56% and reach the 60% once you run and close some programs.
GPS locks in about 15-20 seconds after a boot. (i've seen faster ROMs, but al least locks)
Stable, fast, clean, and usefull.

I'd suggest to people to try out the new "simplicity" ROM. One of the fastest 2.5 w/ CHT ROMs that I've ever used! Still in it's earlier stages, but it's minus all the bloatware that seems to slow down most other ROMs!

anshkhanna said:
What about this simplicity ROM...
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=734399
Any better than the Energy Reference?
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nackas said:
I'd suggest to people to try out the new "simplicity" ROM. One of the fastest 2.5 w/ CHT ROMs that I've ever used! Still in it's earlier stages, but it's minus all the bloatware that seems to slow down most other ROMs!
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I tired it before Energy "Reference' and its not that fast. I didn't like it because it was too 'simple' and CHT made it too slow. I should make a video of how fast my phone is right now.

DJGonzo said:
I should make a video of how fast my phone is right now.
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Can you youtube one for us?

DJGonzo said:
I tired it before Energy "Reference' and its not that fast. I didn't like it because it was too 'simple' and CHT made it too slow. I should make a video of how fast my phone is right now.
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Hmmm I downloaded Energy Reference, but decided to try simplicity first...
Might flash Reference tomorrow and see how it goes. Cheers

The unfortunate truth is that CHT is just toomuch for our poor Rhodiums . Till today the fastest/smoothest ROM I've used was JackOS oldschool. I just felt like I was cheating myself by running old software (WM 6.1 and Sense 2.1) though, I'm weird like that
It's just so difficult to give up the functionality of Cookies Home Tab for speed. I guess it's a trade that the user has to decide on.

seeM_ZA said:
The unfortunate truth is that CHT is just toomuch for our poor Rhodiums . Till today the fastest/smoothest ROM I've used was JackOS oldschool. I just felt like I was cheating myself by running old software (WM 6.1 and Sense 2.1) though, I'm weird like that
It's just so difficult to give up the functionality of Cookies Home Tab for speed. I guess it's a trade that the user has to decide on.
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Its so slow after a while its just plain annoying. I rather not have some dumb gadget functionality and have my phone actually RESPOND, not make people wait cuz my phone takes forever to get to the home screen.
Plus a lot of CHT mods you can get them as standalones

[Q] What's the future of Rhodium ROMs?

I've been updating to every single Energy ROM release, but have noticed that they all pretty much are the same. The look and feel is identical. All that changes are available memory, and relative response.
From some brief reading, I gather that WP7 will not be for our phones. So what lies ahead for Rhodium ROMs? Is someone brewing up some fantastic new UI that will be mind blowing? I've just been getting more and more jaded recently, and am looking for something to look forward to!
Anyone else with me on this?

bipinsen said:
I've been updating to every single Energy ROM release, but have noticed that they all pretty much are the same. The look and feel is identical. All that changes are available memory, and relative response.
From some brief reading, I gather that WP7 will not be for our phones. So what lies ahead for Rhodium ROMs? Is someone brewing up some fantastic new UI that will be mind blowing? I've just been getting more and more jaded recently, and am looking for something to look forward to!
Anyone else with me on this?
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Switch to a different ROM if the Energy ones are getting too stale for you. Almost all the ROMs here are going to offer Sense in some form or another. Try out different themes also. There is no chance for WP7 to grace the Rhodium as the minimum hardware specs are not met. Try out Jackos ROMs or Simplicity. both of them offer very good interfaces with few bugs and great support.

what I want to know is when do all these system builds stop?? Like, are people at MSFT plugging away bringing us these new builds every week, or is that just chef's...?
I was hoping that once WP7 came out, there would be a decisive final version for all the chefs to tinker with, then perfect, after a month or so of ironing out the bugs, each chef could have their final rom for the Rhodium, which has probably been the most used out of all these phones..

Hmm ...... show me your fon. what? you're still flashing the latest NRG ROM? how much time do you spend on the net, at XDA? Aha you have ORD! ;-) Anyways, joking aside, I'm praying for the XDANDROID project to add BT functinality, then I'll switch over to Android for good. Is there no way for HTC to legally produce an Android ROM for the Rhodium, now that WP7 is out? Bipinsen - please take a months' holiday from flashing, it'll renew your awe for NRG ROMS. ORD is sweeter the second time around, lol

Try out the Simplicity roms. You won't be disappointed.

dodo2244 said:
Bipinsen - please take a months' holiday from flashing, it'll renew your awe for NRG ROMS. ORD is sweeter the second time around, lol
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Haha. You're asking an addict to quit. Hmm.. good luck!
But you're right. I might need to go away for a while to see that what I have is really good!
doublen1 said:
Try out the Simplicity roms. You won't be disappointed.
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NRG also has his ROM with the Simplicity theme built in. I haven't researched it, but is there a reason to flash the Simplicity ROM, and not the NRG ROM with the theme?
The other ROM is Jackos. That has some interesting apps built in.
But I think this brings about what I've been trying to say. CFB hinted at it already - ALL Rhodium ROMs will have Sense in one flavor or another. So is that the be all and end all for all UIs? Should I just flash a base ROM and throw SPB Mobile Shell on top? I suppose the next big thing will really be XDAndroid.

bipinsen said:
NRG also has his ROM with the Simplicity theme built in. I haven't researched it, but is there a reason to flash the Simplicity ROM, and not the NRG ROM with the theme?
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I think you might have simplicity confused with .sencity.
Simplicity is a whole different kind of ROM from Energy. simplicity (as the name implies) is really lightweight, with very few cooked-in apps. Less than 50mb of storage memory used after getting things configured on simplicity. But not as many options as Energy, such as the 5 different Start Menu choices.

redpoint73 said:
I think you might have simplicity confused with .sencity.
Simplicity is a whole different kind of ROM from Energy. simplicity (as the name implies) is really lightweight, with very few cooked-in apps. Less than 50mb of storage memory used after getting things configured on simplicity. But not as many options as Energy, such as the 5 different Start Menu choices.
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I guess the options are there, they're just floating around in cabs somewhere as opposed to conveniently in Energy ROMs. I think I'll add some links to the simplicity thread
On topic: What's wrong with CHT 2? It really adds a lot to the Sense interface. Other than that I'm not sure there will be anything too revolutionary for the Rhodium. The CPU is lacking, compared to all the newer phones with Snapdragons nowadays. It's still a great phone though, will always be. I have yet to see a QWERTY keyboard on a phone as good as this one!

seeM_ZA said:
I guess the options are there, they're just floating around in cabs somewhere as opposed to conveniently in Energy ROMs. I think I'll add some links to the simplicity thread
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That would be a cool alternative to having the Start Menu alternatives cooked in. I personally could only find CABs for 2 of the 4 Start Menu alternatives that Energy supplies. And not my favorite, "Compact".
Although I have to say, there are still some things that I prefer about the standard Start Menu. So I'm still somewhat torn about whether the Program Memory savings are significant enough for me.

redpoint73 said:
I think you might have simplicity confused with .sencity.
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You're absolutely right. Rookie mistake on my part.
But if the ROM is really that "simple" then would I be putting something like SPB MS on top of it?
seeM_ZA said:
On topic: What's wrong with CHT 2? It really adds a lot to the Sense interface. Other than that I'm not sure there will be anything too revolutionary for the Rhodium. The CPU is lacking, compared to all the newer phones with Snapdragons nowadays. It's still a great phone though, will always be. I have yet to see a QWERTY keyboard on a phone as good as this one!
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There's nothing "wrong" with CHT 2. But there's nothing that amazing either. I have yet to figure out why my quick links keep rearranging themselves, or getting duplicated. Putting contacts as either quick links or free links don't survive a reboot (the pictures get replaced by generic gray icons). None of the fixes have worked permanently for me.
I mean CHT 2 is basically one giant task scheduler, along with the ability to add free links.
redpoint73 said:
That would be a cool alternative to having the Start Menu alternatives cooked in. I personally could only find CABs for 2 of the 4 Start Menu alternatives that Energy supplies. And not my favorite, "Compact".
Although I have to say, there are still some things that I prefer about the standard Start Menu. So I'm still somewhat torn about whether the Program Memory savings are significant enough for me.
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I have tried all of NRGs start menu options, and the one that I've liked the best is the "Panel" style. It maintains folder structure, along with icons that are recognizable. The Sense style menu is too laggy - it takes forever for the menu icons to render.

bipinsen said:
You're absolutely right. Rookie mistake on my part.
But if the ROM is really that "simple" then would I be putting something like SPB MS on top of it?
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Simplicity still has Sense. If you run Mobile Shell exclusively, it might be a good idea to flash a ROM that only has Titanium, as you would get some storage memory savings by not having all the Sense/Manila files. Not sure if there is a performance difference at all running Mobile Shell on a Sense ROM with Sense turned off, versus a clean ROM without Sense.

bipinsen said:
There's nothing "wrong" with CHT 2. But there's nothing that amazing either. I have yet to figure out why my quick links keep rearranging themselves, or getting duplicated. Putting contacts as either quick links or free links don't survive a reboot (the pictures get replaced by generic gray icons). None of the fixes have worked permanently for me.
I mean CHT 2 is basically one giant task scheduler, along with the ability to add free links.
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I tried the beta on CHT2.0 on Energy ROM, and did enjoy the features (although I'll agree that 2.0 is more of an evolution of CHT than revolutionary). I liked the free links, the added widgets, and the Android-style 3-screen wide home tab (although that last feature is really not all too different from the multi-level home tab in CHT1.8.5, just swiping in a different direction!).
That said, the 2.0 beta is still too buggy. I had the same problem with quicklinks occasionally disappearing or moving. And fairly frequent restarting of Sense while swiping the home tab side to side. I know there was some discussion on the Energy thread of how to prevent/minimize this by having less objects on the home tab. But the bottom line is CHT2.0 is still beta and still buggy.
I've gone back to CHT 1.8.5 until 2.0 becomes a stable release (and on simplicity ROM now).

redpoint73 said:
That would be a cool alternative to having the Start Menu alternatives cooked in. I personally could only find CABs for 2 of the 4 Start Menu alternatives that Energy supplies. And not my favorite, "Compact".
Although I have to say, there are still some things that I prefer about the standard Start Menu. So I'm still somewhat torn about whether the Program Memory savings are significant enough for me.
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Compact Start Menu is Quick Menu. colossus_r made a nice version of it with all the settings links included.

Since I have so much RAM using the latest Energy ROM, I'm thinking of using ShellSwitcher with SBP Mobile Shell and mskip's WM 7 theme just to get a feel for WM 7's hubs. mskip is also working on a new Droid theme that looks interesting. This might be an easy way to try out new fun stuff.
If I like it, I'll reflash with NRG's Titanium ROM for more speed and memory and dump Sense.

J_M_H said:
Since I have so much RAM using the latest Energy ROM, I'm thinking of using ShellSwitcher with SBP Mobile Shell and mskip's WM 7 theme just to get a feel for WM 7's hubs. mskip is also working on a new Droid theme that looks interesting. This might be an easy way to try out new fun stuff.
If I like it, I'll reflash with NRG's Titanium ROM for more speed and memory and dump Sense.
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Interesting thought. I haven't checked out mskip's themes in a while. Heading over there now...
It might be that theming is the next big thing for the TP2s. The ROMs definitely have reached their limits on features and functionality.

In few months our phones will be a piece of garbage with no further developments
the last and only hope i see as future of winmo6.5 is android project

spb 5.0
I'm waiting for spb 5.0 to come out for the general public, if that every happens..
Have you checked it out ? That, i call mindblowing

0bs3rv3r said:
I'm waiting for spb 5.0 to come out for the general public, if that every happens..
Have you checked it out ? That, i call mindblowing
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I did. But that development has been a disaster. They went from 1GHz spec crap, to now saying that for lower devices the experience will be not as enhanced. And then there are threads that talk about no end-user release for the software. The days of SPB were here, and are now gone.
In other news, I did check out the WP7 theme. Hmm.. nothing that exciting. And things look more confusing than anything else. Android here I come...
Just kidding.

the show stopper said:
In few months our phones will be a piece of garbage with no further developments
the last and only hope i see as future of winmo6.5 is android project
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+1
I'm running Android on my TP2.
All that's needed is Bluetooth, Camera, and usb headphone support.

toadlife said:
+1
I'm running Android on my TP2.
All that's needed is Bluetooth, Camera, and usb headphone support.
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Pretty much the stuff that makes a smartphone a phone...