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So, some of you may have received an email requesting you fill out a short survey for a chance to be included in the beta test for the upcoming AT&T Atrix firmware update. I implore you to read this message and at least consider it.
I write this as a request to the members of the XDA community to be respectful to Motorola. Frankly, I was absolutely embarrassed to be a member of this community with how many of you handled the last beta test. Posting confidential information, breaking the NDA, posting restricted tools on the Motorola forum itself? It doesn't matter what "morals" you decide you want to follow, take it somewhere else please. That kind of behavior does nothing but HINDER our cause. If I was Motorola, and I looked at how my end users reacted to something they agreed to uphold, I wouldn't want to give them anything further. Play by the rules. You don't have to agree with them, and if you don't like them, you're free to protest, but do so within the CURRENT rules and laws. File a complaint, write a petition, picket outside Motorola's HQ, but please:
Don't break NDA.
Don't post restricted files.
Don't yell and scream and swear at Motorola.
You do nothing but make us look like fools when you do these things.
This thread is not meant to open discussion. This thread is not meant to start a flame war. This thread is my personal request to the members of the XDA community as one of the few developers actually working on the platform right now: Please be civil, and please be mature.
Thank you.
-Ririal (aka Fenrir)
I see where you're coming from, but I reserve the right to yell and cuss at whomever I want. ;-)
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Ririal said:
So, some of you may have received an email requesting you fill out a short survey for a chance to be included in the beta test for the upcoming AT&T Atrix firmware update. I implore you to read this message and at least consider it.
I write this as a request to the members of the XDA community to be respectful to Motorola. Frankly, I was absolutely embarrassed to be a member of this community with how many of you handled the last beta test. Posting confidential information, breaking the NDA, posting restricted tools on the Motorola forum itself? It doesn't matter what "morals" you decide you want to follow, take it somewhere else please. That kind of behavior does nothing but HINDER our cause. If I was Motorola, and I looked at how my end users reacted to something they agreed to uphold, I wouldn't want to give them anything further. Play by the rules. You don't have to agree with them, and if you don't like them, you're free to protest, but do so within the CURRENT rules and laws. File a complaint, write a petition, picket outside Motorola's HQ, but please:
Don't break NDA.
Don't post restricted files.
Don't yell and scream and swear at Motorola.
You do nothing but make us look like fools when you do these things.
This thread is not meant to open discussion. This thread is not meant to start a flame war. This thread is my personal request to the members of the XDA community as one of the few developers actually working on the platform right now: Please be civil, and please be mature.
Thank you.
-Ririal (aka Fenrir)
(p.s. to moderators, if you feel I'm out of line, you may remove this thread at any point.)
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Thanks so much for posting this... i felt the exact same way
+100 (to Ririal's OP, not the clown who posted right before me)
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basically, dont bring xda into it.
mafiaboy01 said:
Well I'm not worried about moto doing anything to me, they'll come after me as fast as there getting the bootloader unlocked.
Bite me
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Its people like you that ruin the hard work others put into this and other issues we may have with companies. He didnt mention anything about them coming after one of us or any of us for that matter he simply asked us to not break NDA (something that is Legally speaking far more dangerous than you take for granted) and also to not make our community (that is to say the developer community) look like complete loser's. who would honestly want to help someone who is constantly screaming and cursing at them? I know i wouldn't and I say that from COMPLETE Experience seeing as thats EXACTLY what I do on a daily basis and I constantly make people do the harder work if they are yelling at me. so why not just get your head out of your butt and act a bit more mature about the OP and maybe be more respectful.
To the moderators,
I apologize as I know this is attacking a specific person and that is not usually something that is allowed. But people like this need to realize just the potential they hold for possibly taking down something as great as these forums. If you feel that you need to remove my post please do so, but I ask that in this case you may let me know so that I realize just how strict on these rules you may be.
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Its people like you that ruin the hard work others put into this and other issues we may have with companies. He didnt mention anything about them coming after one of us or any of us for that matter he simply asked us to not break NDA (something that is Legally speaking far more dangerous than you take for granted) and also to not make our community (that is to say the developer community) look like complete loser's. who would honestly want to help someone who is constantly screaming and cursing at them? I know i wouldn't and I say that from COMPLETE Experience seeing as thats EXACTLY what I do on a daily basis and I constantly make people do the harder work if they are yelling at me. so why not just get your head out of your butt and act a bit more mature about the OP and maybe be more respectful.
To the moderators,
I apologize as I know this is attacking a specific person and that is not usually something that is allowed. But people like this need to realize just the potential they hold for possibly taking down something as great as these forums. If you feel that you need to remove my post please do so, but I ask that in this case you may let me know so that I realize just how strict on these rules you may be.
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Happy ?
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+1 fully agree with OP. Posting elements of the update will get poster in trouble and could get XDA in trouble. Also behave like a civilized person yelling and screaming as a child got you nothing and it'll do nothing now... just my 2 cents
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I have to laugh a little at this post. While I think the post has the best of intentions, this entire community is in the "business" of violating user agreements --the development sub-forum, in particular. Now, before you say that by rooting devices, you are only voiding your warranty, Motorola (Apple, Samsung, or just about any other vendor) would claim that XDA is violating their intellectual property. This is why people receive the C&D letters when sbf's and the like are posted.
Fortunately, the Library of Congress has explicitly ruled that these activities essentially fall under the fair use clauses of copyright law (http://www.copyright.gov/fedreg/2010/75fr43825.pdf). While this has yet to be thoroughly tested in the courts, as long as xda's activities remain non-commercial, Motorola would likely lose a legal battle trying to close down such activities. So, their only substantial alternative is to void your warranty.
I think comments like "Play by the rules. You don't have to agree with them, and if you don't like them, you're free to protest, but do so within the CURRENT rules and laws. File a complaint, write a petition, picket outside Motorola's HQ" are a bit of the pot calling the kettle black. Why can't you make those exact arguments when it comes to rooting your device?
These activities are legal, you are only voiding the contract you made with Motorola when you post items covered under an NDA. This is not illegal. This group of developers dedicates itself to violating contracts with Motorola and AT&T left and right. Why does this especially cross a line?
I do agree that people don't need to get nasty and go off on rants, but don't confuse rooting and related activities with something illegal.
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I have to laugh a little at this post. While I think the post has the best of intentions, this entire community is in the "business" of violating user agreements --the development sub-forum, in particular. Now, before you say that by rooting devices, you are only voiding your warranty, Motorola (Apple, Samsung, or just about any other vendor) would claim that XDA is violating their intellectual property. This is why people receive the C&D letters when sbf's and the like are posted.
Fortunately, the Library of Congress has explicitly ruled that these activities essentially fall under the fair use clauses of copyright law (http://www.copyright.gov/fedreg/2010/75fr43825.pdf). While this has yet to be thoroughly tested in the courts, as long as xda's activities remain non-commercial, Motorola would likely lose a legal battle trying to close down such activities. So, their only substantial alternative is to void your warranty.
I think comments like "Play by the rules. You don't have to agree with them, and if you don't like them, you're free to protest, but do so within the CURRENT rules and laws. File a complaint, write a petition, picket outside Motorola's HQ" are a bit of the pot calling the kettle black. Why can't you make those exact arguments when it comes to rooting your device?
These activities are legal, you are only voiding the contract you made with Motorola when you post items covered under an NDA. This is not illegal. This group of developers dedicates itself to violating contracts with Motorola and AT&T left and right. Why does this especially cross a line?
I do agree that people don't need to get nasty and go off on rants, but don't confuse rooting and related activities with something illegal.
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You're not understanding what he's saying.
He's telling people who sign up for Moto's beta test, to actually follow the NDA (non-disclosure agreement), and not post the update.zip files that we are supplied as beta testers. It is against the agreement we make with Moto when we sign up and accept the beta test update. That has NOTHING to do with rooting your phone or modifying your files on your phone.
Example: I get the update, immediately pull the .zip off my internal SD card and throw it on Megaupload and post the link for everyone to have.
Doing that basically tells Motorola "F you and your beta testing", and shows that we have no intentions of working with them. All that will do is stop them from trying to work with us (and even if you don't think they are because they're not giving us the golden keys to their phone, they are still trying to work with us as a consumer in the fullest capacity they can as a commercial company).
We can have the situation where we get zero testing to updates until they're released, or even worse ZERO updates because Motorola no longer feels the consumer has any desire to work with them, or we can have a synergistic relationship going to the extent that both parties can get at least some part of their way.
Having them unlock the bootloader for us is honestly IMO never going to happen. NO phone company is doing this, so it's silly to think they will or that we deserve it. Devs are the ones who unlock or bypass bootloaders and all our Android phones; devs will find a way, a 3rd party will find a way, but Motorola has zero interest in doing that for us and to think otherwise is foolish. So what they DO give us, may help other people to figure it out and crack it themselves. But we need things to work both ways, with Moto giving a little room for us to update our software and continue on with Android's progress.
To correct some misunderstandings: You have the right to jailbreak your device, but you do not have the right to posses or share someones intellectual property without permission, or break NDA.
Agree and disagree with op. Agree because we should not be breaking such an agreement. Disagree because such an agreement should not exist in the first place.
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dLo GSR said:
It is against the agreement we make with Moto when we sign up and accept the beta test update. That has NOTHING to do with rooting your phone or modifying your files on your phone.
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(1) You violate (or at least I do) agreements with Motorola all the time. Why is this time different?
(2) This has EVERYTHING to do with root. The whole reason people do this is to keep phones unlocked/rooted.
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Doing that basically tells Motorola "F you and your beta testing", and shows that we have no intentions of working with them.
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(3) False. If we were given a way to obtain root or have an unlocked bootloader through official channels, you can make this argument. As the situation is quite the opposite, I don't see how this is a valid conclusion.
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All that will do is stop them from trying to work with us
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(4) I'm honestly baffled by this statement.
Saying that these activities is going to push Motorola to provide "ZERO" updates is ludicrous. Could it encourage them to not offer betas before release? Maybe, but I doubt it. They need feedback.
In the end, I just reiterate: Why draw the line at posting files from betas? SBFs are posted all the time. We violate our agreements all the time, so what's so different this time?
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To correct some misunderstandings: You have the right to jailbreak your device, but you do not have the right to posses or share someones intellectual property without permission, or break NDA.
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False. The point is that jailbreaking is legal, and if you read the LoC ruling I posted, you'll see that the related activities of distributing their software (e.g. sbf's) is NOT a violation of their IP. Just like using clips from a copyrighted movie in a documentary without permission is not a violation of copyright. NDAs are no different than the EULAs which are violated left and right. What's the big difference between everyone happily violating their user agreements with Motorola and AT&T but somehow the NDA is now sacrosanct.
Added links: http://www.copyright.gov/1201/docs/2006_statement.html and http://www.copyright.gov/fedreg/2006/71fr68472.html
I'd tend to agree with the OP ..
Stuff will leak, and the fact is we're all looking to get the next new thing / enhancement, but we should all demonstrate a little discretion if not for any other reason than to be practical ... The more blatant (some of the stuff on the mot forum bordered on ridiculous) the more likely the vendors will shift even more effort and resources to locking things down.
All imho, which when I last checked we're all entitled to
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(1) You violate (or at least I do) agreements with Motorola all the time. Why is this time different?
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Because this one isn't an implicit I-opened-the-product-box, you signed up as a beta tester, which is not a given privilege as a consumer. This is an OPT-IN test opportunity. Probably 98% of the people with the Atrix do not participate in this beta test. Like you said, we're allowed to root/jailbreak our phones technically because of the LoC ruling. That does not make you immune to breaking an NDA. Don't be ignorant. I have seen people sued and prosecuted for breaking NDAs, especially in my line of work.
I got the beta update, and I tried it, gave my feedback, and went back to 1.2.6. When someone figured out how to do root and they released the update ALL OF FIVE DAYS LATER, I updated. I do not believe that releasing the update to the masses in any way helped to re-gain root access for 4.1.57.
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(2) This has EVERYTHING to do with root. The whole reason people do this is to keep phones unlocked/rooted.
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While that may be true, and rooting in itself is not wrong, the process to get it by releasing a company's IP is. Geohot lost on this one with Sony. If you want the damn beta update so bad, then SIGN UP FOR IT. If you're so committed to finding root and unlocking our bootloader, THEN PARTICIPIATE in the beta. None of that requires you to break the NDA.
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(3) False. If we were given a way to obtain root or have an unlocked bootloader through official channels, you can make this argument. As the situation is quite the opposite, I don't see how this is a valid conclusion.
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You're right. Biting the hand that feeds you is a way better solution to getting what you want.
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(4) I'm honestly baffled by this statement.
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What, you don't understand common logic?
decoyd said:
Saying that these activities is going to push Motorola to provide "ZERO" updates is ludicrous. Could it encourage them to not offer betas before release? Maybe, but I doubt it. They need feedback.
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They don't need feedback from us. They can easily throw together a small focus group or do in-house testing or carrier testing that doesn't include us. Most companies work that way. We were fortunate to have Moto decide to include the general public.
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In the end, I just reiterate: Why draw the line at posting files from betas? SBFs are posted all the time. We violate our agreements all the time, so what's so different this time?
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You're opting in for this test. If you can't handle the rules and regulations, then don't do it and just wait and whine until the actual update is released. I can't remember anyone complaining of signing up for the Beta and not getting in, so if you want the damn file, then sign up and get to work.
And thank you for ignoring about 50% of my post.
decoyd said:
I have to laugh a little at this post. While I think the post has the best of intentions, this entire community is in the "business" of violating user agreements --the development sub-forum, in particular. Now, before you say that by rooting devices, you are only voiding your warranty, Motorola (Apple, Samsung, or just about any other vendor) would claim that XDA is violating their intellectual property. This is why people receive the C&D letters when sbf's and the like are posted.
Fortunately, the Library of Congress has explicitly ruled that these activities essentially fall under the fair use clauses of copyright law (http://www.copyright.gov/fedreg/2010/75fr43825.pdf). While this has yet to be thoroughly tested in the courts, as long as xda's activities remain non-commercial, Motorola would likely lose a legal battle trying to close down such activities. So, their only substantial alternative is to void your warranty.
I think comments like "Play by the rules. You don't have to agree with them, and if you don't like them, you're free to protest, but do so within the CURRENT rules and laws. File a complaint, write a petition, picket outside Motorola's HQ" are a bit of the pot calling the kettle black. Why can't you make those exact arguments when it comes to rooting your device?
These activities are legal, you are only voiding the contract you made with Motorola when you post items covered under an NDA. This is not illegal. This group of developers dedicates itself to violating contracts with Motorola and AT&T left and right. Why does this especially cross a line?
I do agree that people don't need to get nasty and go off on rants, but don't confuse rooting and related activities with something illegal.
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And I have to laugh at how you didn't even read what the post was about.
This is about the beta test, nothing more, nothing less. The entirety of the test is enclosed under an NDA, which regardless of your personal or moral standards, is a legally binding contract and should not be broken. Last time there was a beta test, users willingly and knowingly broke the NDA and posted the confidential information all over the forums. Most of those threads were shut down immediately. When I root my device, I'm not breaking a signed agreement that says I won't root my device. It's not even close to the same thing, you're overgeneralizing the subject. I'm talking about a very specific thing here, not android hacking in general.
Also, an NDA is a legally binding contract, and it IS illegal to break. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Non-disclosure_agreement
dLo GSR said:
Having them unlock the bootloader for us is honestly IMO never going to happen. NO phone company is doing this, so it's silly to think they will or that we deserve it. Devs are the ones who unlock or bypass bootloaders and all our Android phones; devs will find a way, a 3rd party will find a way, but Motorola has zero interest in doing that for us and to think otherwise is foolish. So what they DO give us, may help other people to figure it out and crack it themselves. But we need things to work both ways, with Moto giving a little room for us to update our software and continue on with Android's progress.
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Then why is HTC so responsive to 3rd party devs? (Excluding Thunderbolt, wtf is with that) I have Cognition on my Captivate, and CM7 on my Inspire. So forgive me if I decide to disagree with you that it's not silly to want an unlocked bootloader.
Especially on my captivate. The thing is complete crap without Cognition. Yet I was able to easily install ROM manager and Cognition and slap it on there. It's only Motorola right now that are big enough pricks to do this to us. Sony gave their users a way to install ROMs. Now it's only us locked in the cage.
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How do you justify rooting your phone? You are violating their rules and regulations. Nobody is forcing you to buy their product.
NDA's are pretty serious business. Just because Motorola doesn't sue you doesn't change this fact. Lifetime friends of mine that work at Microsoft and Google can't tell me what they are working on specifically. I've gotten used to responses like "working on Google Maps" and not bothering them for more details because I respect their NDAs.
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And I have to laugh at how you didn't even read what the post was about.
This is about the beta test, nothing more, nothing less. The entirety of the test is enclosed under an NDA, which regardless of your personal or moral standards, is a legally binding contract and should not be broken. Last time there was a beta test, users willingly and knowingly broke the NDA and posted the confidential information all over the forums. Most of those threads were shut down immediately. When I root my device, I'm not breaking a signed agreement that says I won't root my device. It's not even close to the same thing, you're overgeneralizing the subject. I'm talking about a very specific thing here, not android hacking in general.
Also, an NDA is a legally binding contract, and it IS illegal to break. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Non-disclosure_agreement
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A lot of ROMs/Mods/Files were hosted on Megaupload and none of the links are working now because of the government shut down the site I am LOST without my ROMs and Mods I guess that means that all developers have to upload the files to some other site then?
I lost my files too. I hope it will come back soon
Your powers of deduction have filled me with wonderment and awe.
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Megaupload...
Yeah, this really sucks. I don't even get why they closed the place anyway. I mean yes it may have had a lot of "bad" files there, but it's not like it was MegaUpload who put it there...it was the users. Also, they are trying to filter out the copyrighted stuff. So it's not like they're not doing their job. *sigh* I hope it comes back. It was one of the best sites to download from since I got great speeds.
I didn't even think of the impact that taking down megaupload would have on Android ROMs... Hopefully most of you have backups :S
Damn in Megaupload allways the developers upload roms and another things...
this is bullcrap this is another way the government is trying to dictate us and control what the internet does
At least on my device, devs are used to upload on MultiUpload, from what I see.
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Limewire was taken down in much of the same way, it was an OBVIOUS hotbed for piracy, i don't think they government should of had the ability to remove it but when they got rid of limewire, you had to know this would be coming at some point. There were legitimate uses for Megaupload but a lot/most of it consisted of people sharing pirated data
Yeah but Limewire was just for piracy and Megaupload wasnt, they had a lot of stuff on there that wasnt. They should have the power to do this, I think this is their response to the other day where a lot of website shut down, including this one, to try ot get the bill from passing. I think its all bull, WE are the people not them, WE are the majority and the majority rules.
My guess for the both of these sites fell under the SOPA rules that are trying to implemented before anything was signed into law. You can still go to megaupload and it will state the reasons that they were shut down. One of them being piracy act. Remember for those in the USA to vote this current administration out of office before all of our rights are taken away
SOPA=NWIH (no way in he!!)
This just another example of a tyrannical government shoving their noses just a little deeper where it doesn't belong. The internet is the only thing that still works in this country, and they just want to control it. I say vote em out, all of them. !Ron Paul 2012!
Devs have to upload them in other file upload sites.
the best idia to write to megauload to tell user acess to download personal file
and then move to anader upload
it posible connecting with proxcy usa ?
never mind
The way Apple sees it, any rom on there with a 'slide to unlock' is copy written material being pirated.
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The way Apple sees it, any rom on there with a 'slide to unlock' is copyrighted material being pirated.
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Ftfy.
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Unfortunately, FBI shutdown Megaupload. Is there any way that they would be back up and running again or they are screwed. Furthermore, would the paid members of megaupload get their money back if they can't provide service?
Hosting pirated software and movies etc. is illegal. Do it enough and you get shut down.
The official thing I read said that they had been profiting from hosting copyrighted materials so they were shut down.
The usual mantra of saying that they can't be held responsible for what people upload to their service finally failed these guys.
I worry that it doesn't bode well for some other services, if they can prove that companies are profiting from copyright materials in the same way.
Technically even Youtube could fall foul of it too. Even though they have their method for reporting and taking down videos - which is flawed in itself and is abused by film, music and tv companies anyway
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Hosting pirated software and movies etc. is illegal. Do it enough and you get shut down.
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That's a totally simplistic (too simplistic) view on the matter. Megaupload was responding to DMCA takedown notices, so from this perspective, the "safe harbor" rules of the DMCA applied. Well, they should have. But of course the media industry came up with a whole bunch of stuff that removed the safe harbor protection from Megaupload. And the people behind MU were being a bit stupid as well, that helped the media industry make their case. This can serve as a lesson to others, to not repeat the same mistakes.
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That's a totally simplistic (too simplistic) view on the matter. Megaupload was responding to DMCA takedown notices, so from this perspective, the "safe harbor" rules of the DMCA applied. Well, they should have. But of course the media industry came up with a whole bunch of BS that removed the safe harbor protection from Megaupload.
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If there was no illegal material on the site it would still be up and running.
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If there was no illegal material on the site it would still be up and running.
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Why are you here at XDA? There's "illegal" material here. So by your simplistic views, XDA should be shut down. Also, Google links to "illegal" material, and even caches some of it in their internal caches. Down with Google!! Etc, etc, etc, I think you get the picture (or probably you still don't).
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Why are you here at XDA? There's "illegal" material here. So by your simplistic views, XDA should be shut down. Also, Google links to "illegal" material, and even caches some of it in their internal caches. Down with Google!! Etc, etc, etc, I think you get the picture (or probably you still don't).
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Er, I didn't actually state an opinion on the matter. What makes you think I agree with it at all?
I was just answering a question.
who cares...
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If there was no illegal material on the site it would still be up and running.
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That comment is just too ignorant and shows that u dont have actual knowledge of the case.
Illegal is a broad term, so broad that it can mean your mom having a photo on her desktop that you shot with your camera and she put without permission
And personally i dont think the site went down just because of that..
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That comment is just too ignorant and shows that u dont have actual knowledge of the case.
Illegal is a broad term, so broad that it can mean your mom having a photo on her desktop that you shot with your camera and she put without permission
And personally i dont think the site went down just because of that..
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It's not in the slightest bit ignorant, and neither am I. There's quite a lot of assumption going on in this thread about my posts.
sadly this will be the way of most all sharing sites.....eventually me thinks
peer to peer = piracy (mostly) i kind of like this though
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It's not in the slightest bit ignorant, and neither am I. There's quite a lot of assumption going on in this thread about my posts.
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Because we all love u and care about u
I believe that they closed megaupload or filesonic today for one and mostly reason!Which are the money!The big companies want share from their profits because we are talking about millions!Thats why they care about it!
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Because we all love u and care about u
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Maybe I'm slightly skeptical, but I detect sarcasm.
So... how are we going to share ROMS or programs that is built by developers? Even the government legalized rooting phones and tablets, so I wonder how would the distribution be like. Otherwise, we might need a private web space to be able to by-pass FBI. I mean yeah, I am against piracy and all that crap. But this legal stuff that we are sharing through Android Dev, businesses will slow down. I know there are many options out there but, after several months? perhaps, they could be shutdown as well.
MegaUpload was the best file hosting service online I've ever used. Too bad they get theirself in this kinda crap.
Although,they are already rebuilding megaupload in other country,where those laws aren't applicable.
man this really sucks. i use that website all the time.
one word SOPA
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one word SOPA
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Me gusta a la sopa
Well even though FBI tries hard enough to muzzle internet's freedom, I think people that care about it, will always be a step ahead and find different ways to share files, thoughts and everything!
So Megaupload has been shut down, and now Filesonic and Fileserve have decided to not allow anybody to download files they did not personally upload.
How long before similar hosting sites follow suit?
A lot of legitimate websites depend on those places to host files for their users to download, even this one. This frustrates the hell out of me because now all over the internet links to legitimate legal files are shut down because of the assholes that feel the need to use these websites for unlawful purposes.
I tried to download a ROM earlier to find it was hosted on filesonic. Tried to download a zip file of something that was hosted in megaupload. I know a ton of files from useful threads on this community are hosted on these 3 sites or sites like them, and its going to be even harder for users that want to play with an older device that has been forgotten but the files and information was still there. Now they will find the information but won't have access to the files they need.
Its about more than pirating....
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Its about more than pirating....
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exactly!
if the OP actually read the news, it's not about pirating but rather money laundering, they are just trying to hype everything else with the pirating banner
as the feds needed a "valid" point to conduct a search warrant into the possessions and freeze the bank accounts of that guy
I did read the news. That is why Megaupload alone did not affect me so much, but Piracy also played a major role, and because of such OTHER file hosts are shutting down services and making files unavailable.
Or are all File Hosting sites laundering money and have something to run from?
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So Megaupload has been shut down, and now Filesonic and Fileserve have decided to not allow anybody to download files they did not personally upload.
How long before similar hosting sites follow suit?
A lot of legitimate websites depend on those places to host files for their users to download, even this one. This frustrates the hell out of me because now all over the internet links to legitimate legal files are shut down because of the assholes that feel the need to use these websites for unlawful purposes.
I tried to download a ROM earlier to find it was hosted on filesonic. Tried to download a zip file of something that was hosted in megaupload. I know a ton of files from useful threads on this community are hosted on these 3 sites or sites like them, and its going to be even harder for users that want to play with an older device that has been forgotten but the files and information was still there. Now they will find the information but won't have access to the files they need.
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Your blaming the pirates? Your anger is wrongly distributed, my friend. All your post really says about you is that content with the action that has taken place.
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They sey that the guy may get 50 years of prison...
it's the money making scheme thing they are removing from their sites
a lot of them were doing that to attract people
were you download a file, and the guy hosting the file was getting paid per MB by the filehosting service
i'm actually glad all those are shutting down, that was a horrible thing to see here in XDA
always making members building huge list of ROMs or whatever Mods, on those sites and bumping up the size of the actual download, so they get more money out of the each download
we had a lot of users complaining about that
that money has to come from some where, and Advertising alone doesn't generate that much money to make it viable by the filehosting site
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I did read the news. That is why Megaupload alone did not affect me so much, but Piracy also played a major role, and because of such OTHER file hosts are shutting down services and making files unavailable.
Or are all File Hosting sites laundering money and have something to run from?
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Destron5683 said:
I did read the news. That is why Megaupload alone did not affect me so much, but Piracy also played a major role, and because of such OTHER file hosts are shutting down services and making files unavailable.
Or are all File Hosting sites laundering money and have something to run from?
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So, one file host gets shut down due to a completely unrelated incident, other companies lighten their vulnerabilities to play it safe, and now you can't download roms for dead devices? Damn the guy downloading a poor quality cam rip of paranormal activity 3! Don't blame the legislature, or any other legislatures or any other aspect of the government, don't blame Lamar Smith, don't blame the file host sites who want to play it safe, let's blame it on the guy who didn't hurt anyone as he wasn't going to buy the movie anyway. Torrenting is just sharing made easier, we traded tapes back in elementary school that we'd recorded off of the radio. This is the same thing on a larger scale and it scares people.
This is more , the piracy its only a excuse.
You have to think more before post.
Because if you see, in deep this problem.
Start they see Kim can be a big problem for they industry.
And usa / fbi use this excuse for start making other country´s follow they rules and what they want.
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it's the money making scheme thing they are removing from their sites
a lot of them were doing that to attract people
were you download a file, and the guy hosting the file was getting paid per MB by the filehosting service
i'm actually glad all those are shutting down, that was a horrible thing to see here in XDA
always making members building huge list of ROMs or whatever Mods, on those sites and bumping up the size of the actual download, so they get more money out of the each download
we had a lot of users complaining about that
that money has to come from some where, and Advertising alone doesn't generate that much money to make it viable by the filehosting site
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That part I was not aware of, as I have never used an account to host files there. I didn't know people hosting the files got paid per MB and tbh that makes sense why pirates would use them. Thank you for explaining that point.
My anger is directed at they fact that now a LOT of important links in this site and many others are now broken. And the fact that pirates have made these places havens to host their wares is a primary reason these places are now running scared.
And I know it happens. A while back I got interested in Hombrew development for the Wii as I had a unique idea for how to use the remote. So I set out to hack my Wii to allow it to run Homebrew apps. There is a legal way and a non legal way. The legal way would allow you to run Homebrew but no retail games. The illegal way allows you to play pirated games. In my search for information I came across a website with thousands of links to illegal Wii games - all hosted on places just like that.
Now I know why - but the fact remains if people didn't do that - and the sites were used for legitimate purposes we wouldn't be here today.
And I KNOW there was more to the megaupload than that - but now all of them are shutting down and scaling back because of it. And who put tha excuse in their hands???
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This is more , the piracy its only a excuse.
You have to think more before post.
Because if you see, in deep this problem.
Start they see Kim can be a big problem for they industry.
And usa / fbi use this excuse for start making other country´s follow they rules and what they want.
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first pirates, now america? wow...
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first pirates, now america? wow...
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Well for you its possible sounds stupid.
But who shutdown mu.
FBI.
In first i dont understand why its so active USA.
I hope dont you think iam american hatter, or anything like that.
my question is why FBI are doing this jobs.
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Well for you its possible sounds stupid.
But who shutdown mu.
FBI.
In first i dont understand why its so active USA.
I hope dont you think iam american hatter, or anything like that.
my question is why FBI are doing this jobs.
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Is there a better translator you could use? I'm not trying to offend you, but I can't tell what you're saying. To be perfectly honest, it sounds like random anti-American phrases and statements tossed in a blender.
He's asking why an American authority is the one to close down MU.
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Piracy is a issue but its being used as a scapegoat so the industry could have more control & insure future profits. With technolgy becoming more advanced & cheaper artists/fans dont have to depend on the majors.
http://www.forbes.com/sites/davidth...the-real-reason-why-megaupload-was-shut-down/
http://newsfeed.time.com/2012/01/20/megauploads-takedown-how-is-swizz-beatz-involved/
]So, one file host gets shut down due to a completely unrelated incident, other companies lighten their vulnerabilities to play it safe, and now you can't download roms for dead devices?
I used that as an example. Actually the ROM I couldn't download was for my SGSII Thank You.
Damn the guy downloading a poor quality cam rip of paranormal activity 3! Don't blame the legislature, or any other legislatures or any other aspect of the government, don't blame Lamar Smith, don't blame the file host sites who want to play it safe,
Why WOULD I blame the government for blocking illegal activity? Its no secret that ripping and uploading a movie for people to download for free is a crime. So the government is enforcing the law. So how is the government to blame for these people uploading illegal files to these places? I don't care how or why its a law its still a law and up to the government to enforce. Weather I agree with it or you agree with doesn't matter. Its still a law and THIS istuation had nothing to do with SOPA or Lamar Smith.
let's blame it on the guy who didn't hurt anyone as he wasn't going to buy the movie anyway. Torrenting is just sharing made easier, we traded tapes back in elementary school that we'd recorded off of the radio. This is the same thing on a larger scale and it scares people.
If you want to torrent - then torrent. I don't care. I don't care if people DO pirate movies, music or anything else. But torrenting is a relationship between the people sharing those files and the people getting those files. If you and the person your getting those files from get caught and go to prison its of no consequence to me. But in this instance millions of people are affected because they no longer have access to legitimate files.
Weather Piracy is the reason MU was shut down or not DOES NOT MATTER. The fact remains that people WHERE using the places as pirating havens and HANDED the government the excuse to say piracy IS the issue and has the rest running scared/
If pirates were not using these places to host millions of dollars in illegal files then the headline would be different.
Destron5683 said:
I did read the news. That is why Megaupload alone did not affect me so much, but Piracy also played a major role, and because of such OTHER file hosts are shutting down services and making files unavailable.
Or are all File Hosting sites laundering money and have something to run from?
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Maybe developers in gen should start a co-op dev site?
IE a host owned and operated by and for developers, it could be a not for profit which for those who don't no means your goal is basically A. Be in black B. profits go to future of buissness or owners ie. people that pay for hosting. C. Try to help more in their communities and with customers than competion.
Basically through makeing yourself a not for profit your just helping everybody especially since I am pretty sure most devs dont make anything off donations.
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Maybe developers in gen should start a co-op dev site?
IE a host owned and operated by and for developers, it could be a not for profit which for those who don't no means your goal is basically A. Be in black B. profits go to future of buissness or owners ie. people that pay for hosting. C. Try to help more in their communities and with customers than competion.
Basically through makeing yourself a not for profit your just helping everybody especially since I am pretty sure most devs dont make anything off donations.
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That is an excellent idea. A place that only hosts files for developers and users of smart phones and tablets and nothing else.
+1
paallday said:
Maybe developers in gen should start a co-op dev site?
IE a host owned and operated by and for developers, it could be a not for profit which for those who don't no means your goal is basically A. Be in black B. profits go to future of buissness or owners ie. people that pay for hosting. C. Try to help more in their communities and with customers than competion.
Basically through makeing yourself a not for profit your just helping everybody especially since I am pretty sure most devs dont make anything off donations.
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this is by far the best answer
anyone with the $ to host and maintain a free not for profit file services is welcome to do so
then the Admins/Mods of the site can easily ban anyone not following those principals
however!
there's still a gotcha!
apparently Teamwhiskey got shutdown by the gov under the same pretext as pirating even though all they did was ROM, or maybe that was just their SOPA protest that lasted longer than expected
yup, just checked their site it's back up
while on the same topic
yes ROM can technically be categorized as Pirated good as well, except for pure AOSP and CM releases
all other ROMs specially Windows, or TouchWiz or Sense based ROMs are all subjected as Pirated Warez if the crap does hit the fan
I know asking for pirate apps or piratewebsites is not allowed but i just want to be really sure of what's legal, i used to live in Latinamerica where we do pretty much what we want in internet and i just moved to Germany and thinks work different here, in the apartment i moved to they told me i can't download pretty much anything because is it illegal, but what exactly is illegal? how do internet providers find out what i'm doing on internet?
1: So if i share folders with music i bought in google play on dropbox so i can listen to it on my phone is that legal? what if i share those same folders in dropbox with my friends?
2. What about torrents? are they completely ilegal?
3. if a friend uploads a video from a concert to mediashare, rapidshare is legal that i visit those sites and download files on them?
4. Here they have a RIDICULOUS copyright in youtube and pretty much ANY video is not available on youtube/vevo so i have to use a proxy to watch videos, is that legal?
Any recomendations? Thanks for your help
It's fairly simple.
Obtaining copyrighted material without paying for it is illegal, in all forms.
Sharing copyrighted material is illegal. Letting someone listen to a song on your phone is fine, sending the song tt him/her is illegal.
Linking or pointing to locations where to obtain copyrighted material without paying for it is illegal.
Using a program or app without a correct license is illegal.
Chad_Petree said:
1: So if i share folders with music i bought in google play on dropbox so i can listen to it on my phone is that legal? what if i share those same folders in dropbox with my friends?
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If you use them for your OWN devices, it's legal. If you share the folders with others, it's illegal.
2. What about torrents? are they completely ilegal?
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Only if they contain copyrighted material you would otherwise have to pay for. You can use torrent to share your personal Christmas photo's all you want, for instance. Downloading AND seeding is illegal for copyrighted materials. (This also includes recordings of copyrighted materials, such as Camversions of films.)
3. if a friend uploads a video from a concert to mediashare, rapidshare is legal that i visit those sites and download files on them?
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Yes, that's legal, unless there was a specific "Do not film" order at the concert., but that's not part of the piracy laws.
4. Here they have a RIDICULOUS copyright in youtube and pretty much ANY video is not available on youtube/vevo so i have to use a proxy to watch videos, is that legal?
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Watching videos over a proxy is legal in the whole of Europe.
ShadowLea said:
It's fairly simple.
Obtaining copyrighted material without paying for it is illegal, in all forms.
Sharing copyrighted material is illegal. Letting someone listen to a song on your phone is fine, sending the song tt him/her is illegal.
Linking or pointing to locations where to obtain copyrighted material without paying for it is illegal.
Using a program or app without a correct license is illegal.
If you use them for your OWN devices, it's legal. If you share the folders with others, it's illegal.
Only if they contain copyrighted material you would otherwise have to pay for. You can use torrent to share your personal Christmas photo's all you want, for instance. Downloading AND seeding is illegal for copyrighted materials. (This also includes recordings of copyrighted materials, such as Camversions of films.)
Yes, that's legal, unless there was a specific "Do not film" order at the concert., but that's not part of the piracy laws.
Watching videos over a proxy is legal in the whole of Europe.
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Thank you, you were really helpful but i still have a couple of doubts, for example last weekend i went to a crystal castles concert and i recorded some songs and i want to make a torrent to share it with my friends but the landlord told me i cannot USE torrents at all because otherwise the police or something will give him a fein for like 600 euros? was he just trying to scare me? i guess the internet provider can see that im sharing a file, but would they know if im sharing it via torrent? and if they know im using torrents how can they know for sure that what i'm sharing is legal to share or copyrighted material.
I guess downloading tv shows episodes is ilegal too, but maybe not because i watch tv rips and not the blu-ray or dvd versions? my german is so poor right now i cannot understand the shows on tv, all are dubbed in German
Chad_Petree said:
Thank you, you were really helpful but i still have a couple of doubts, for example last weekend i went to a crystal castles concert and i recorded some songs and i want to make a torrent to share it with my friends but the landlord told me i cannot USE torrents at all because otherwise the police or something will give him a fein for like 600 euros? was he just trying to scare me? i guess the internet provider can see that im sharing a file, but would they know if im sharing it via torrent? and if they know im using torrents how can they know for sure that what i'm sharing is legal to share or copyrighted material.
I guess downloading tv shows episodes is ilegal too, but maybe not because i watch tv rips and not the blu-ray or dvd versions? my german is so poor right now i cannot understand the shows on tv, all are dubbed in German
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Your landlord's issue is that he thinks all torrents are copyrighted content. A common mistake.
But to keep the peace, it'd probably be best not to argue with him. I suggest you use www.Wetransfer.com for the concert files, it's an email-based file transfer with 2gb free transfer. If it's your own recording, you can also put it on dropbox.
Yes, as i said, recordings of copyrighted content is illegal, too. This also includes recordings of tv shows of any form.
I know what you mean. I live about 5 minutes from the german border so I get all the channels, they're all synched into German >.< It's ridiculous.
1. Your landlord is an idiot or he is lying. Using torrents is not illegal. there are plenty of data/shows/programs shared all day long legally on bittorrent.
2. Most likely (99%) your landlord cannot tell you are using torrents. I assume you are using some communal internet service at your apartments.
3. Just because something is copyrighted does not mean it is illegal to share it. It most likely is, but a lot of artists have no problem allowing their works to be shared.
4. Yes, your ISP can tell you are using torrent. Some monitor. They won't say anything unless someone complains to them.
The second this turns into any kind of "how to", or comes even close to "well I should be able to download anything I want" then I'll close it.
Just a heads-up
I'd download a car if I could.
Lend a friend a book and nobody cares. Scan a book and email it to your friend and suddenly you're a criminal.
The world is a strange place.
Just to let y'all know, from working at Comcast for 2 years, ISP's do look for this kind of thing I've never heard of...
- How to download files using a torrent client
- Finding content
DirkGently said:
Lend a friend a book and nobody cares. Scan a book and email it to your friend and suddenly you're a criminal.
The world is a strange place.
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Obviously they own the 1s and 0s it becomes once it's scanned.
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- How to download files using a torrent client
- Finding content
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I was expecting Breadfish and/or Rick Astley!
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Obviously they own the 1s and 0s it becomes once it's scanned.
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I see. So letters are free but numbers are licensed?
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Just to let y'all know, from working at Comcast for 2 years, ISP's do look for this kind of thing I've never heard of...
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You mean they never check for this kind of thing?
85gallon said:
1. Your landlord is an idiot or he is lying. Using torrents is not illegal. there are plenty of data/shows/programs shared all day long legally on bittorrent.
2. Most likely (99%) your landlord cannot tell you are using torrents. I assume you are using some communal internet service at your apartments.
3. Just because something is copyrighted does not mean it is illegal to share it. It most likely is, but a lot of artists have no problem allowing their works to be shared.
4. Yes, your ISP can tell you are using torrent. Some monitor. They won't say anything unless someone complains to them.
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Yes I share the Internet with two other guys on the apartment.
The provider can monitor my downloads but how can they know for sure if what I'm downloading or sharing its legal? Are they able to?
If they thing i'm doing something ilegal at least they give me a warning right?
You said my provider shouldn't do anything unless someone complains, but who would complain if not my provider? :/
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I was expecting Breadfish and/or Rick Astley!
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I see. So letters are free but numbers are licensed?
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Wouldn't want to disappoint you.
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Just to let y'all know, from working at Comcast for 2 years, ISP's do look for this kind of thing I've never heard of...
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Huh?
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You mean they never check for this kind of thing?
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Yes I share the Internet with two other guys on the apartment.
The provider can monitor my downloads but how can they know for sure if what I'm downloading or sharing its legal? Are they able to?
If they thing i'm doing something ilegal at least they give me a warning right?
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Okay. If it is your Internet account then the landlord has nothing to do with it. Screw him. Why did you even ask him?
The isp basically keeps logs. At minimum they just log what ip you are assigned. Some log where you go to. They are not going to turn you in or call you. If a copyright holder complains to them wanting your information based on your ip they may give it up. They may fight it.
Without someone complaining to them, the isp is not going to turn you in or contact you. They will sometimes contact you if you use too much data depending on your data and tell you to knock it off
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You mean they never check for this kind of thing?
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85gallon said:
Huh?
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Nah, I was just kidding, Comcast doesn't care...
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Nah, I was just kidding, Comcast doesn't care...
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I know that. I just couldn't figure out what you said!! :cyclops:
85gallon said:
I know that. I just couldn't figure out what you said!! :cyclops:
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Actually they do... but because of Archer's post, I can't disclose by which methods, and what are the procedures if caught...
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Actually they do... but because of Archer's post, I can't disclose by which methods, and what are the procedures if caught...
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Archer. It is not a how to. LOL
Mod edit: Yes it is.