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i have been thinking abour rooting my phone for awhile but i have a couple of questions.
1. is there any prep i need to do before i root.
2. will i loose anything if i root.
3. do i need to save my stuff on the computer like pics contacts videos etc.
4. what will happen with my apps settings and all.
5. how do i choose which rom to choose and how do i tell the difference between them.
i think thats all for now thanks in adavance
I had these same questions just three days ago. I was able to root my device with one of the guides here on the forums. Rooting is pretty straight forward and for this portion you wont have to do anything crazy except backing up pictures and essential files should you mess something up.
As for roms, I used the cognition 2.3b8 that can be found on these forums. That and because you can install it using rom manager. Good luck and read the guide. Also check youtube.
Pretty straight forward since they have the one click root/indoors for our phones...google one click root for captivate or on here and if u need more help you tube it up...good luck
1) No
2) No
3) No
4) Nothing
5) Nobody can really answer this for you. Check out the different ROM threads and decide which one you'd like the most. I can tell you that I've used most posted here and my favorite, though highly modified by me, is Assonance. For installing a new ROM then numbers 3 and 4 will change to yes and unless you don't mind losing it, don't expect anything will be saved, but back things up beforehand. Always.
Before loading a ROM download and get used to "Titanium Backup" and "Rom Manager".
Just download z4root ..search the forums..its an EASY app that let's you root your phone from the phone...just run the app and click root ...it will reboot and that's it
Sent from my Captivate
The Captivate FAQ site should answer all your questions, and has instructions:
http://capfaq.com/w/Root
Cheers...
ok last question i think. i have launcher pro plus and ive changed my icons to how i like them will i need to redo everything after i root and install a rom or will it stay the same and just change the internal stuff?
and z4root wont let me do it cause it says my phone blocks apps not in the market place.
I'd run the one found here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=739304
Very simple to root your phone doing it this way. And worse comes to worse you could just copy the update.zip into your SDCard and run it under your recovery menu on your phone.
You will not lose your setting or icons in launcher pro by rooting.
Please explain your comment on z4 root. What are you doing that gets you to that comment.
You can also try this
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=739304
bjballar41 said:
ok last question i think. i have launcher pro plus and ive changed my icons to how i like them will i need to redo everything after i root and install a rom or will it stay the same and just change the internal stuff?
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I have custom icons for my LP+ and I don't need to do them over as long as I use Titanium Backup and backup LP+ and data.
Does rooting do anything to the market ID? I basically want to root so I can eliminate the pre-loaded bloat, install non-Market apps, and do full backups. Will this interfere with getting any AT$T updates, especially Froyo when it eventually is released?
Miami_Son said:
Does rooting do anything to the market ID? I basically want to root so I can eliminate the pre-loaded bloat, install non-Market apps, and do full backups. Will this interfere with getting any AT$T updates, especially Froyo when it eventually is released?
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device Id will probably change, but all you have to do is while on the stock rom download android id changer from market and save your stock device id. Then after rom is flashed install android id changer and load your id and change it back to the original.
You will likely have to be at stock in order to use at&t ota updates.
mod777 said:
device Id will probably change, but all you have to do is while in stock rom use android id changer and save your stock device id. Then after rom is flashed install android id changer and load your id and change it back to the original.
You will likely have to be at stock in order to use at&t ota updates.
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Like I said, I only want to gain access to other apps and controls. I do NOT want to flash a custom ROM. Does rooting alone change the Market ID or is that only a consequence of ROM flashing? Also, all the instructions direct you to put the phone into USB debugging mode, b ut they don't say whether to turn this off when done rooting. Is that done automatically?
No rooting does not effect your id. Rooting is easy and safe. It is what you do after youroot that can get sticky
I give you a week or two tops, then you will be asking what is the best custom rom
mcord11758 said:
No rooting does not effect your id. Rooting is easy and safe. It is what you do after youroot that can get sticky
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Thanks for that.
I give you a week or two tops, then you will be asking what is the best custom rom
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And have my thread locked in seconds? No thanks.
thats the one i used and i rooted it i downloaded ti-bu fixen to get ready to back it up. i was trying to do the z4root and i guess i was sideloading it from the page on here and it said that cause i couldnt find it on the market place.
ok so i rooted my phone using the one click root for a mac i did the titanium back up now im looking for custom rom to do not sure what i should do next or how to do it im looking at how to load a custom rom on a captivate from unlockr.com and he is using rom manager and im wondering if i need to go that way or what?
bjballar41 said:
ok so i rooted my phone using the one click root for a mac i did the titanium back up now im looking for custom rom to do not sure what i should do next or how to do it im looking at how to load a custom rom on a captivate from unlockr.com and he is using rom manager and im wondering if i need to go that way or what?
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You only have a mac? Do you have a windows pc at your house or near by?
Rom manager is what you are going to use
nope mac only no pc at all is that gonna be a problem? mcord11758 i just wanna say thanks for all the help u have given me since i got this phone. and do i need odin?
I've been searching this forum without finding an answer to this question. I know that older temporary root methods exist, such as this:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1341162
However, I want to be sure something like that will work on a stock ICS vivid. The phone is not mine, it's my friends, therefore I don't want to go the unlock bootloader/perm root route if I can avoid it. I could run titanium and save whatever data she wants to save if a temp root without unlocked bootloader method out there exists for a stock ICS vivid. Does anyone have any more information? Thanks in advance!
rohit275 said:
However, I want to be sure something like that will work on a stock ICS vivid. The phone is not mine, it's my friends, therefore I don't want to go the unlock bootloader/perm root route if I can avoid it. I could run titanium and save whatever data she wants to save if a temp root without unlocked bootloader method out there exists for a stock ICS vivid. Does anyone have any more information? Thanks in advance!
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To be very honest, temp root is not really viable for backup either. You'll have to reroot if you want to restore data, etc.
Honestly, what I would suggest is that you just unlock bootloader and permaroot. If you are paranoid about the whole "bootloader-unlocked warranty-in-the-toilet" deal, just know that using an RUU reflashes the bootloader back to *LOCKED* state, not just *RE-LOCKED* state.
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To be very honest, temp root is not really viable for backup either. You'll have to reroot if you want to restore data, etc.
Honestly, what I would suggest is that you just unlock bootloader and permaroot. If you are paranoid about the whole "bootloader-unlocked warranty-in-the-toilet" deal, just know that using an RUU reflashes the bootloader back to *LOCKED* state, not just *RE-LOCKED* state.
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I'm someone who usually perm roots everything I can ge my hands on, but it is not my device. I'm not worried about the warranty, but my friend would rather not lose her data if this can be avoided (its more for peace of mind than anything). If I don't have to bootloader unlock, I rather wouldn't.
If I did back up, what would stop me from temp rooting again to restore?
I have been rooting android devices and dealing with custom roms and recoveries since the G1, so I know the benefits of permanent root access, but I know it isn't for everyone and I'm not going to do it for my friend right away if it can be avoided.
So does the temp root method work for ICS?? I've had my phone for a while and I don't wanna lose data on all my apps again >< (happened a lot when I had the Play)
I have the LG 4x for some time now and i am wondering how to go about with it. I have certain questions, maybe knowledgeable people can answer them.
-I bought the phone with the German 10c firmware. I am now thinking of applying the European 10h one. When i click "software update" from the phone, it says no update available. When i click it from the LG pc suite, it says, the 10h is available, but does not give more information on which 10h it is. I also have downloaded the firmware from the internet, so i am wondering which is the safest, easiest, most certain procedure, to apply the updated firmware. I still have not rooted my phone. And what i have not figured out yet, is, DOES UPDATING THE FIRMWARE MEAN FACTORY RESET? Or is it more like a software update, where it just updates things needed to be updated, not touching anything else?
-Is it possible, if i root the phone, to unroot it, using a reverse procedure? You know, if the need for using the warranty arises.
-It really bothers me, the new type of file system with this android version. I ve been using the 2.3 before i got the phone, which requires, just a backup with clockworkmod and a copy of the external sd and you re done. Now, i don't know which is the best method to backup my phone. ALL apps, except for a couply of offline maps apps, install in the INTERNAL memory of the phone, all game data, etc, which has nearly filled half my phones internal memory so far. I understand that the only solutions to this, are root, and Directory Bind, and one other app i don't recall the name now. So, thats two reasons to root the phone, moving apps to sd, and using Titanium Backup with root, for backup. So the question is, what other option do i have for backup, WITHOUT root?
Everything else works great, good hardware on this phone!
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I have the LG 4x for some time now and i am wondering how to go about with it. I have certain questions, maybe knowledgeable people can answer them.
-I bought the phone with the German 10c firmware. I am now thinking of applying the European 10h one. When i click "software update" from the phone, it says no update available. When i click it from the LG pc suite, it says, the 10h is available, but does not give more information on which 10h it is. I also have downloaded the firmware from the internet, so i am wondering which is the safest, easiest, most certain procedure, to apply the updated firmware. I still have not rooted my phone. And what i have not figured out yet, is, DOES UPDATING THE FIRMWARE MEAN FACTORY RESET? Or is it more like a software update, where it just updates things needed to be updated, not touching anything else?
-Is it possible, if i root the phone, to unroot it, using a reverse procedure? You know, if the need for using the warranty arises.
-It really bothers me, the new type of file system with this android version. I ve been using the 2.3 before i got the phone, which requires, just a backup with clockworkmod and a copy of the external sd and you re done. Now, i don't know which is the best method to backup my phone. ALL apps, except for a couply of offline maps apps, install in the INTERNAL memory of the phone, all game data, etc, which has bearly filled half my phones internal memory so far. I understand that the only solutions to this, are root, and Directory Bind, and one other app i don't recall the name now. So, thats two reasons to root the phone, moving apps to sd, and using Titanium Backup with root, for backup. So the question is, what other option do i have for backup, WITHOUT root?
Everything else works great, good hardware on this phone!
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All of your question was answered. don't be lazy
L2Deliver said:
All of your question was answered. don't be lazy
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Maybe they have been answered at some post in some thread, but i have no way of finding the exact post!
Why dont you help a fellow smartphoner and answer me here, if you know the answer?
1 - if you update via official SW it maybe leave data untouched and only update system
2- to unroot just reflash SW (via lgflashtool for example)
3- LGs backup app...
Maybe they have been answered at some post in some thread, but i have no way of finding the exact post!
Why dont you help a fellow smartphoner and answer me here, if you know the answer?
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You have a search feature in the forum, which you can use.
And the reason some of us don't answer questions that have been repeatedly asked and answered is that, if we do, we say that it's OK to open a thread to ask a question that's easilly answered.
But I'll do you a bit of a favor: I'll tell you WHERE you can find the information, and I'll even answer one of the questions (the last) since, regardless of having seen it asked and answered a few times before, I'm not able to direct you to the right place where this sort of question has been asked and answered.
ZTEBlade0 said:
I have the LG 4x for some time now and i am wondering how to go about with it. I have certain questions, maybe knowledgeable people can answer them.
-I bought the phone with the German 10c firmware. I am now thinking of applying the European 10h one. When i click "software update" from the phone, it says no update available. When i click it from the LG pc suite, it says, the 10h is available, but does not give more information on which 10h it is. I also have downloaded the firmware from the internet, so i am wondering which is the safest, easiest, most certain procedure, to apply the updated firmware. I still have not rooted my phone. And what i have not figured out yet, is, DOES UPDATING THE FIRMWARE MEAN FACTORY RESET? Or is it more like a software update, where it just updates things needed to be updated, not touching anything else?
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If you want to update it through flashing the .kdz, you should find that information in the respective thread, as it not only refers the correct method, but also the consequences.
ZTEBlade0 said:
-Is it possible, if i root the phone, to unroot it, using a reverse procedure? You know, if the need for using the warranty arises.
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This information can be found, as it turns out, in the two possible threads for rooting the LG 4X (one for ICS and one for JB). I'll give you a bit more help, as the threads aren't in the same sub-forum - the one for JB is in the General Forum, the one for ICS is in the Development Forum.
ZTEBlade0 said:
-It really bothers me, the new type of file system with this android version. I ve been using the 2.3 before i got the phone, which requires, just a backup with clockworkmod and a copy of the external sd and you re done. Now, i don't know which is the best method to backup my phone. ALL apps, except for a couply of offline maps apps, install in the INTERNAL memory of the phone, all game data, etc, which has nearly filled half my phones internal memory so far. I understand that the only solutions to this, are root, and Directory Bind, and one other app i don't recall the name now. So, thats two reasons to root the phone, moving apps to sd, and using Titanium Backup with root, for backup. So the question is, what other option do i have for backup, WITHOUT root?
Everything else works great, good hardware on this phone!
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Most backup programs don't care where you've installed your apps. That said, if you don't want to root your mobile, the only option you have is the LG Backup app. I'm not sure if it saves and recovers every bit of data (meaning the saves of your games and other information you may have configured into your apps), but it's your best bet for a root-less 4X.
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1 - if you update via official SW it maybe leave data untouched and only update system
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It "MAY" leave data untouched??? In computers, this word is not supposed to be used, either it WILL, or it will NOT. So you re telling me it will be an unstable procedure if i update via the official Software?
skryptus said:
Most backup programs don't care where you've installed your apps. That said, if you don't want to root your mobile, the only option you have is the LG Backup app. I'm not sure if it saves and recovers every bit of data (meaning the saves of your games and other information you may have configured into your apps), but it's your best bet for a root-less 4X.
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Great. So you re saying too, that the only backup option a non rooted user has is not even to be trusted. If it will not save apps data, its useless then. What am i supposed to do, play all games over again?
No, i used maybe , because i only flashing via LG flash tool and it erase all data ... but i THINK official update MAY leave data ( like on xperias phones)
its hard to root it, make complete backup and then flash it ? if answer is yes, dont go to upgrade...
mmm273 said:
No, i used maybe , because i only flashing via LG flash tool and it erase all data ... but i THINK official update MAY leave data ( like on xperias phones)
its hard to root it, make complete backup and then flash it ? if answer is yes, dont go to upgrade...
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No, if there is a procedure, i ll follow it and root it, i am just thinking, that i read that 4.1 will have a DIFFERENT rooting procedure, so i was thinking to wait, upgrade to 4.1 and THEN root it.
I am now backing up for the first time from within the phone app, see how it goes.
ZTEBlade0 said:
I am now backing up for the first time from within the phone app, see how it goes.
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Well, the backup is over, just about 1.3gb. Strange, the internal memory is full up to about 6.5gb. I don't understand WHAT exactly it backed up! It said it will back up "app data", along with other stuff (contacts, call log, etc.). I have no idea what it backed up from the Apps. Left more confused than before!
maybe that backup is justl ike you backup via CWM - backup system and data, and this lg backup tool make data backup... so you backup all of your internal storage to PC (before that make backup of contants and messages) try update , and after that run restore ...
or you can root, backup, flash, root again, restore...
ZTEBlade0 said:
It "MAY" leave data untouched??? In computers, this word is not supposed to be used, either it WILL, or it will NOT. So you re telling me it will be an unstable procedure if i update via the official Software?
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Official method leaves stuff untouched. It warns you it will erase the data, but from what I've heard, it doesn't. Although, everyone is advising for you to do a factory format after you update it, as it solves a lot of slowdowns and other possible incompatibility problems.
Great. So you re saying too, that the only backup option a non rooted user has is not even to be trusted. If it will not save apps data, its useless then. What am i supposed to do, play all games over again?
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Please stop putting words into other people's mouths. I said I'm not sure. I myself haven't used the app. Other users have been mentioned having used it (but then again you'd know that if you went to the trouble of looking around a bit), so I think it would be a viable alternative, but I won't vouch for it and/or its abilities because I have no experience with it.
Point is, if you don't want to use root, you lose the ability of writing into the /data folders (and some times even correctly reading from it). If LG, by some bending of those rules, made it so you can, count yourself lucky. If they didn't, you can't really blame them - it's Google's OS (who IMO should have come up with a decent Backup solution a long time ago).
mmm273 said:
maybe that backup is justl ike you backup via CWM - backup system and data, and this lg backup tool make data backup... so you backup all of your internal storage to PC (before that make backup of contants and messages) try update , and after that run restore ...
or you can root, backup, flash, root again, restore...
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I did a backup using the LG app. So it said it backs up "application data, contacts, etc". Ok. The size is just 1.8gb. The used space in internal memory is 9gb. So i don't understand WHAT exactly it backed up from the applications. Everything EXCEPT for the "sd data" of games?
So i would do a firmware update, then a factory reset, to have the new firmware installed, CLEAN, then restore my backup. Right? So after the factory reset, it will have wiped ALL applications, deleted them from the internal memory? Is that correct? So i would use the 1.8gb restore, and what will it give me from my 9+gb applications (games, etc) that i have now?
Or, do i have to COPY all "sd data" files from the internal memory to PC, and restore the 1.8gb backup AND re-copy the "sd data" files of games and applications, back to internal memory?
Hi everybody
I'm new to Android Mobile and I got my HTC ONE just recently. I have to say that I'm in love with it, finally something I can really use.
I would like to root my phone and I went through several doc/videos about how to unlock the boot loader and how to root it.
I feel quite confident to do that on my own (I know, I know... I'm a lady and usually this kind of stuff are for boys only... but I'll give it a try).
I have only few questions if you can help an not expert user as myself:
1. after root my HTC One, will my mobile able to receive software updates pushed from the vendor?
2. by reading the forum, my understanding is that some of the system apps will be removed (not big deal actually and I understand I can recover them in some way). However, will I be able to recover all the other apps installed, phone settings and the usual data from my backup? I do a daily backup of my phone via the system Backup & Restore utility which stored the data in DropBox.
Thanks a lot boys and I sorry for the silly questions. I did my best to search on my own but still a bit confused
When you unlock the bootloader, you eliminate all OTA updates. That is my understandin.
If you backup'd up with method X (whatever method that maybe), I dont see why you cant continue to use method X to restore your settings as well.
When i forgot got my phone, I unlocked and rooted immediately. I installed titanium backup (thats my method of choice), and transfered the content from my old phone and use titanium to restore everything.
Linda2013 said:
Hi everybody
I'm new to Android Mobile and I got my HTC ONE just recently. I have to say that I'm in love with it, finally something I can really use.
I would like to root my phone and I went through several doc/videos about how to unlock the boot loader and how to root it.
I feel quite confident to do that on my own (I know, I know... I'm a lady and usually this kind of stuff are for boys only... but I'll give it a try).
I have only few questions if you can help an not expert user as myself:
1. after root my HTC One, will my mobile able to receive software updates pushed from the vendor?
2. by reading the forum, my understanding is that some of the system apps will be removed (not big deal actually and I understand I can recover them in some way). However, will I be able to recover all the other apps installed, phone settings and the usual data from my backup? I do a daily backup of my phone via the system Backup & Restore utility which stored the data in DropBox.
Thanks a lot boys and I sorry for the silly questions. I did my best to search on my own but still a bit confused
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1. Yes you will receive update notifications but depending on what recovery you have you might not be able to install the update until you go to stock recovery.
2. Yes you will be able to restore your data and it work rather well. Don't remember if it backed up the app data (settings for apps accounts save games etc....) and depending on your settings it may not backup pictures and videos so make a copy on a computer if you have pics you don't want to lose.
Linda2013 said:
Hi everybody
I'm new to Android Mobile and I got my HTC ONE just recently. I have to say that I'm in love with it, finally something I can really use.
I would like to root my phone and I went through several doc/videos about how to unlock the boot loader and how to root it.
I feel quite confident to do that on my own (I know, I know... I'm a lady and usually this kind of stuff are for boys only... but I'll give it a try).
I have only few questions if you can help an not expert user as myself:
1. after root my HTC One, will my mobile able to receive software updates pushed from the vendor?
2. by reading the forum, my understanding is that some of the system apps will be removed (not big deal actually and I understand I can recover them in some way). However, will I be able to recover all the other apps installed, phone settings and the usual data from my backup? I do a daily backup of my phone via the system Backup & Restore utility which stored the data in DropBox.
Thanks a lot boys and I sorry for the silly questions. I did my best to search on my own but still a bit confused
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Let me start off by congratulating you on an excellent choice of phone!
In response to your questions, I havesome answers for you:
1. After unlocking the bootloader/rooting your phone, you will still be able to receive OTA updates. However, to actually install them you will have to relock the bootloader. Take care when installing OTA updates, as they may contain "fixes" that will disable re-unlocking the bootlader or rooting.
2. You should be able to recover all of your apps, settings, and data. Once rooted, I highly recommend Titanium backup for apps and data, and MyBackupPro for contacts, call logs, messages, and such.
Thank you guys, you are wonderful! I love u!!!
Last question then I promise I will not bothering anymore
I can see from the tutorial that once I've unlocked the boot loader I will need to use a recovery utility like TWRP.
I'm not going to install any custom ROM for now and I would like to keep the original one. The only thing that I really need is root privileges to rid off some apps that were installed by the carrier (which I hate), as well the carrier boot up logo animation.
So, for instance... I'm running at the moment the 1.29.841.2 software version.
Will the recovery process keep the phone on the same version or it will install a flat one without the updates?
Linda
Linda2013 said:
Thank you guys, you are wonderful! I love u!!!
Last question then I promise I will not bothering anymore
I can see from the tutorial that once I've unlocked the boot loader I will need to use a recovery utility like TWRP.
I'm not going to install any custom ROM for now and I would like to keep the original one. The only thing that I really need is root privileges to rid off some apps that were installed by the carrier (which I hate), as well the carrier boot up logo animation.
So, for instance... I'm running at the moment the 1.29.841.2 software version.
Will the recovery process keep the phone on the same version or it will install a flat one without the updates?
Linda
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Not bothering at all, that's what the forums are here for.
The recovery process will leave the phone on the same version that has been installed. All apps will need to be re-updated, but the system version will stay the same.
skunkbandit said:
Not bothering at all, that's what the forums are here for.
The recovery process will leave the phone on the same version that has been installed. All apps will need to be re-updated, but the system version will stay the same.
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Great!!! all my doubts and questions are now solved. I'm ready now to try the tutorial on my own (I'm so happy ).
Thanks you sooooooo much!
Linda2013 said:
Great!!! all my doubts and questions are now solved. I'm ready now to try the tutorial on my own (I'm so happy ).
Thanks you sooooooo much!
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You're welcome!
just a quick heads up, be aware that unlocking your bootloader will wipe all of the data stored in your phone. Make sure to have a recent backup available.
Lots of useful info here, make sure to check it out: http://www.htcdev.com/bootloader
Linda2013 said:
Great!!! all my doubts and questions are now solved. I'm ready now to try the tutorial on my own (I'm so happy ).
Thanks you sooooooo much!
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Good luck, hope you enjoy your HTC One
Not sure which tutorial you're using, I have found this one to be very thorough, written by a respected Rom developer
[GUIDE] Complete Flashing Guide | Rooting | Going Back To Stock | 05.05.2013
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2265618
Sent from my HTC One using xda app-developers app
All good! I've successfully unlocked and rooted my device.
I've installed TWRP and made a backup (just in case).
Then restored all my data/apps.
Very happy thx again guys!
(originally posted in the flashfire threads, but it was suggested I post here)
My apologies if this has already been covered (I could not find an answer in searching)
I appreciate that it can be dangerous to use flashfire to flash the bootloader partition and that one should use fastboot. My question is:
If I download a FW package and the bootloader has changed, what happens if I flash to the kernel, system, cache, vendor etc... and do not flash to bootloader and radio? Will the flash fail; will the phone soft brick; will nothing happen and I can go merrily along?
The question derives from this: If the phone can become unusable with a mismatched bootload and radio to the rest of the images, it would require to unpack the package and check for a version prior to flashing other partitions (so I assume). If I go that far, would it not be easier to not use flashfire and simply manually flash the required files when updates are available?
Thanks
N6, unlocked and rooted (previously always updating latest patches and rerooting myself (using TWRP), but wishing to try flashire)
RLBL said:
(originally posted in the flashfire threads, but it was suggested I post here)
My apologies if this has already been covered (I could not find an answer in searching)
I appreciate that it can be dangerous to use flashfire to flash the bootloader partition and that one should use fastboot. My question is:
If I download a FW package and the bootloader has changed, what happens if I flash to the kernel, system, cache, vendor etc... and do not flash to bootloader and radio? Will the flash fail; will the phone soft brick; will nothing happen and I can go merrily along?
The question derives from this: If the phone can become unusable with a mismatched bootload and radio to the rest of the images, it would require to unpack the package and check for a version prior to flashing other partitions (so I assume). If I go that far, would it not be easier to not use flashfire and simply manually flash the required files when updates are available?
Thanks
N6, unlocked and rooted (previously always updating latest patches and rerooting myself (using TWRP), but wishing to try flashire)
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it is really rare that a bootloader flash is required, and a radio update is never required. if you dont flash them, then you just dont flash them, thats all.
I'd add that going to a major update you'll want to pay close attention. The bootloader probably will need updating. e.g. lollipop to MM, the bootloader had to be updated.
The radio is optional and often with trial and error, you'll find a particular one that for your hardware, in your area, you get the best signal. There is a thread with N6 flashable radios here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=3066052.
Had you posted that you had an N6 in your original post, I'd have helped you, because that's what I use
ktmom said:
I'd add that going to a major update you'll want to pay close attention. The bootloader probably will need updating. e.g. lollipop to MM, the bootloader had to be updated.
The radio is optional and often with trial and error, you'll find a particular one that for your hardware, in your area, you get the best signal. There is a thread with N6 flashable radios.
Had you posted that you had an N6 in your original post, I'd have helped you, because that's what I use
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both mm a lollipop, i never updated my bootloader. i did update it after mm though.
ktmom said:
I'd add that going to a major update you'll want to pay close attention. The bootloader probably will need updating. e.g. lollipop to MM, the bootloader had to be updated.
The radio is optional and often with trial and error, you'll find a particular one that for your hardware, in your area, you get the best signal. There is a thread with N6 flashable radios here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=3066052.
Had you posted that you had an N6 in your original post, I'd have helped you, because that's what I use
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Oh That looks interesting. My Cellular signal sucks even though I am supposedly close to some towers. I am going to try using flashfire with these (hope I don't brick myself lol)
So I assume that when N comes out officially and I need to change bootloaders, I would do so via fasboot, then afterwards I can the the updates via fashfire.
RLBL said:
Oh That looks interesting. My Cellular signal sucks even though I am supposedly close to some towers. I am going to try using flashfire with these (hope I don't brick myself lol)
So I assume that when N comes out officially and I need to change bootloaders, I would do so via fasboot, then afterwards I can the the updates via fashfire.
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all the radios, and bootloaders, are available in flashable zip for here on xda as well. to flash via twrp recovery
simms22 said:
all the radios, and bootloaders, are available in flashable zip for here on xda as well. to flash via twrp recovery
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Cool... But I only used TWRP to flash the SU binaries to root. Now that I am rooted, I figured I could simply go back to stock recovery* and use flashfire going forward.
* I figured that because I had no other use for for a custom recovery presently, I may as well stay completely stock and rooted. Furthermore, from my understanding (which can be wrong) I no longer need a custom recovery to flash/install anything, as flashfire can do it all. Of course that brings one to ask "why am I rooted if I am staying stock?". I root my device so I can simulate a power button press without cancelling smart lock operations (either through tasker shell keyevent, gravity screen, or nova prime swipe gesture). I like not having to use the buttons on my phone
Why get rid of custom recovery? Just leave it and keep a backup on hand, then when there is an issue with basically anything you can just restore your backup instead of freaking out and running here using caps and exclamation marks asking how to fix.
scryan said:
Why get rid of custom recovery? Just leave it and keep a backup on hand, then when there is an issue with basically anything you can just restore your backup instead of freaking out and running here using caps and exclamation marks asking how to fix.
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1 - why use a custom recovery if I do not need to (serious question, not being confrontational - see below)
2 - I totally know how to flash to whatever I want without using any toolkits (and ofc using a custom recovery)
3 - Why would one assume that one panics? (just because I have a low post count and admittedly an Android noob - N6 1st phone - does not mean I am an idiot)
4 - Considering I am not using custom ROMs and staying stock, I would think the likelihood of things going wrong is low (could be totally wrong there lol but I have done everything myself manually since the get go (never even taken an OTA for my upgrades), and never had 1 issue as of yet. This post was a general question in nature. It was not posted because I needed something to be fixed)
If I do not need it, why have it: I am experimenting to see if I can use FF completely stock (and rooted). Please provide some rationale as to why I should keep a custom recovery so I can evaluate (you may be 100% right). The point is: from my understanding one can use FF without a custom recovery so why not try... so far, so good.
On backups: be aware (not that you should care, but you did comment)... I have nothing on my phone that requires backing up at that... I can completely wipe the phone and it only takes time to do a google restore and I am back to where I am (been there, done that. Annoying for time though lol but I have no data on the phone safe from tasker profiles which are on my google drive and easily restored).
And what happens when you flash a bootloader and something screws up? You can't fix it from the stock recovery menu, now can you. So what not have something useful on the recovery partition for that 1 and 1000 chance something goes wrong.... Just my opinion, being I've been flashing phones since the first Android device was released on T-Mobile. The g1 (still have and still flash Roms
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RLBL said:
1 - why use a custom recovery if I do not need to (serious question, not being confrontational - see below)
2 - I totally know how to flash to whatever I want without using any toolkits (and ofc using a custom recovery)
3 - Why would one assume that one panics? (just because I have a low post count and admittedly an Android noob - N6 1st phone - does not mean I am an idiot)
4 - Considering I am not using custom ROMs and staying stock, I would think the likelihood of things going wrong is low (could be totally wrong there lol but I have done everything myself manually since the get go (never even taken an OTA for my upgrades), and never had 1 issue as of yet. This post was a general question in nature. It was not posted because I needed something to be fixed)
If I do not need it, why have it: I am experimenting to see if I can use FF completely stock (and rooted). Please provide some rationale as to why I should keep a custom recovery so I can evaluate (you may be 100% right). The point is: from my understanding one can use FF without a custom recovery so why not try... so far, so good.
On backups: be aware (not that you should care, but you did comment)... I have nothing on my phone that requires backing up at that... I can completely wipe the phone and it only takes time to do a google restore and I am back to where I am (been there, done that. Annoying for time though lol but I have no data on the phone safe from tasker profiles which are on my google drive and easily restored).
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1. the only one important thing about having twrp installed.. backups and restores. before dlashing or changing anything, i akways create a backup in twrp. if something doesnt work out, you can always restore your backup, as ive done many many times. its a quicky fix it.
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And what happens when you flash a bootloader and something screws up? You can't fix it from the stock recovery menu, now can you. So what not have something useful on the recovery partition for that 1 and 1000 chance something goes wrong.... Just my opinion, being I've been flashing phones since the first Android device was released on T-Mobile. The g1 (still have and still flash Roms
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I think that was the whole point of my post was it not? What happens if you DON'T flash a bootloader while using FF (but in the case where it did change)? And like I said, in the 1/1000 chance that something does go wrong and I did not have a backup: Flash the complete package via adb? Like I said, I have nothing to backup, thus nothing to recover. Not saying I shouldn't, just saying I don't. I only used TWRP to gain root access, nothing more (no custom ROMs, kernels, optimizations, anything on my phone...not even local app data saves - I am one of those old farts who uses their phone as a PDA with phone capabilities and that is it. All "data" is cloud based for calendar info etc.)
It was a relatively simple (general) question around some experimentation I am doing to see if it would work if one was completely stock (safe from root); did not think it would turn in an philosophical argument on whether or not one should use a stock recovery (which I have been using a custom up until yesterday, but was thinking about putting it back on this evening anyways, just because)
Anyways, got my answer... thx
simms22 said:
1. the only one important thing about having twrp installed.. backups and restores. before dlashing or changing anything, i akways create a backup in twrp. if something doesnt work out, you can always restore your backup, as ive done many many times. its a quicky fix it.
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Thanks!... Obviously when I do venture into more with the phone I will do that. Currently it is a work and personal device so the only thing I do is flash Google stock builds instead of waiting for OTAs. Not saying I should not have a backup, but I don't. Only once after the 1st flash I re-locked the bootloader (as per instructions). What I waste of time; but it did show me that in a non-efficient disaster recovery, I can get everything back to where I was.
A restore would have been efficient, but I have found that I really have nothing to back up.. yet.
I guess a (off-topic) question I have for you is: What and Why did things not work out? In my case where I am only flashing stock loads (not waiting for OTAs), what could one anticipate going wrong that a re-flash could not recover from, but a restore could? Example a write corruption of a partition and the only thing I can do is boot into recovery as my PC cannot see the phone via adb? Can something like that happen?
Backing up system is what saves your a**
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Backing up system is what saves your a**
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cool... but... what if you are stock? Save my ass from what? Will a (re)flash of stock binaries not suffice?
Look I appreciate I am sounding argumentative, but I am curious to understand what can happen and why. I can understand the "need" to do it if customizing a device etc... but I am very curious as to why if you are stock:
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A stock user unlocks his bootloader so they can flash files straight from google be it OTAs or the complete package. It is not listed anywhere to have a custom recovery in their instructions which would lead one to believe it is not required if flashing said files... I assume something could go wrong of course and the most efficient way is to do a restore from backup... but I also assume one could simply re-flash and start over.
I am not devaluating the merits of a custom recovery; I was just curious if one could use (easily) flash fire without one - and one can. The purpose of the question was two-fold:
- because I was flashing stock, then reflashing twrp to get root I found the process longer than it needed to be so I thought I could use flashfire and have it do it for me.
- then I realized that flashing re-roots as well so I did not need to flash the custom recovery to obtain root. I thought "hey what if I accidentally checked "recovery" and accidentally went back to stock. No harm done as I can move on and still be rooted.
Not sure my butt needs saving to ask. You may be doing something that having backups is a good and safe idea... what if you are not? No harm in still using a custom of course, but it was just a question (I ask such questions so I know in advance why something happened and what to do so I do not come running to forums in all caps as someone else said lol)
off topic: If one has nothing to backup, what is there to restore?
RLBL said:
cool... but... what if you are stock? Save my ass from what? Will a (re)flash of stock binaries not suffice?
Look I appreciate I am sounding argumentative, but I am curious to understand what can happen and why. I can understand the "need" to do it if customizing a device etc... but I am very curious as to why if you are stock:
example:
A stock user unlocks his bootloader so they can flash files straight from google be it OTAs or the complete package. It is not listed anywhere to have a custom recovery in their instructions which would lead one to believe it is not required if flashing said files... I assume something could go wrong of course and the most efficient way is to do a restore from backup... but I also assume one could simply re-flash and start over.
I am not devaluating the merits of a custom recovery; I was just curious if one could use (easily) flash fire without one - and one can. The purpose of the question was two-fold:
- because I was flashing stock, then reflashing twrp to get root I found the process longer than it needed to be so I thought I could use flashfire and have it do it for me.
- then I realized that flashing re-roots as well so I did not need to flash the custom recovery to obtain root. I thought "hey what if I accidentally checked "recovery" and accidentally went back to stock. No harm done as I can move on and still be rooted.
Not sure my butt needs saving to ask. You may be doing something that having backups is a good and safe idea... what if you are not? No harm in still using a custom of course, but it was just a question (I ask such questions so I know in advance why something happened and what to do so I do not come running to forums in all caps as someone else said lol)
off topic: If one has nothing to backup, what is there to restore?
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its all a matter of choice, period.
flashing stock, you dont need to do anything. flashing different mods, custom roms, gapps, or supersu, you need to use twrp recovery. you can even flash twrp to be permenant or flash twrp for a one time use. if you are flashing custom roms/mods regularly, its convieniant to have twrp, if your not it doesnt matter. but the one thing twrp is great for is backing up, in case. and you dont need many back ups, just one recent backup. so you can back up, then get rid of twrp until needed again. anyways, its all a personal choice, and thats all it is. for me, flashing twrp then leaving it makes sense, since ill never ever do anything stock. for you, you have your own needs and wants.
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its all a matter of choice, period.
flashing stock, you dont need to do anything. flashing different mods, custom roms, gapps, or supersu, you need to use twrp recovery. you can even flash twrp to be permenant or flash twrp for a one time use. if you are flashing custom roms/mods regularly, its convieniant to have twrp, if your not it doesnt matter. but the one thing twrp is great for is backing up, in case. and you dont need many back ups, just one recent backup. so you can back up, then get rid of twrp until needed again. anyways, its all a personal choice, and thats all it is. for me, flashing twrp then leaving it makes sense, since ill never ever do anything stock. for you, you have your own needs and wants.
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Thank you for answering the question.
I figure when this phone (or whichever phone) is not my daily driver and no longer linked to sensitive stuff I will start venturing into the domain of custom ROMs and Kernels.
RLBL said:
Thank you for answering the question.
I figure when this phone (or whichever phone) is not my daily driver and no longer linked to sensitive stuff I will start venturing into the domain of custom ROMs and Kernels.
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custom recoveries just make things easier for you, overall, to do stuff. but kernels, that could be the bomb. but you will need to learn about how to use governors/schedulers to make any kind of headways. for example, i use a completely different governor/scheduler(ondemand/deadline) than any other nexus kernel, and i feel that my way makes my phone much better/faster than any other setup. and thats whats important to me
Update: test passed (I knew it would)
With a stock recovery, I was able to use flashfire and upgrade to the latest update and re-root.