They have GPS receivers that work through the bottom cradle connection for IPAQs they also have other devieces like keyboards that work like this.
Would it be possible to develop a 80211 dongle that could click into the
cradle port? is anyone working on this? is there anyone that would have
enough knowledge to beging working on this i could contact. I would love to get 802.11 for this baby.
Dan said:
Would it be possible to develop a 80211 dongle that could click into the cradle port? is anyone working on this? is there anyone that would have enough knowledge to beging working on this i could contact. I would love to get 802.11 for this baby.
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No, sorry. The XDA connector on the bottom supports USB and serial. However, the USB will only do 'Slave Mode', i.e. act as a USB device towards a computer. There are USB 802.11 devices, but they work as devices as well, and thus need a 'Master' to talk to. And there's no serial 802.11b transceivers out that we know of.
You could conceiveably build a USB device that plays the master role and feeds the IP through just like ActiveSync does, but nobody has done that yet. For the manufacturers this shouldn't be that hard, given the amount of spare processing power on these 802.11 tranceivers. (And while we're at it, we might as well incorporate a GPS connected to the serial port...)
hmm
so this won't be something that a little hacking group such as XDA developers would be capable of?
Hi
In a short time a wireless lan card will be available which you can plug into you SD Slot. See http://www.sychip.com/wlan-module.html
See ya
Mick
Helllo.
I don´t think, that the wireless lan card will work in the XDA. In the technical PDF there is a picture that shows a SDIO-Interface.
XDA still do NOT have a SDIO-Interface.
Regards
Stefan
hold on, why do u need a wireless lan card? I thought the xda was a wireless device, surely it ought to have wireless connectivity built into it? If you had a corporate wireless network, cant it just be configured to connect?
Of course it has wireless support, using GSM and/or GPRS and infrared. But WLAN support is something entirely different, and that is definitely not included.
Shouldn't be too hard to design a WLAN adapter acting as an USB master though. With the pass-through functionality built into the activesync software it has definitely been shown that the USB connection can be used for network access.
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Shouldn't be too hard to design a WLAN adapter acting as an USB master though. With the pass-through functionality built into the activesync software it has definitely been shown that the USB connection can be used for network access.
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Yo bamse,
Ever want to be very, very popular ? You would make hero of the month on our charts, that's for sure...
What about these guys:
http://www.datahunter.com
I know it's RS232 and not USB, but apart from that the Liberator should do the trick almost straight away, and they also advertise a module that could be built into a sleaker package:
OEM 802.11 WLAN Mini-Modules
OEM and ODM manufacturers can incorporate FCC ?Modular? pre-certified 802.11b mini-modules into their products. The Data Hunter 802.11 mini-modules have the Operating System Wireless LAN software drivers built-in. Interface options are the ones Engineers need, including high-speed async logic-level or RS232, SPI processor interface, USB and full Ethernet TCP/IP. No additional FCC certification required for the modular 802.11 data radios. Start shipping integrated WLAN immediately. Includes single antenna for bulkhead mount or dual diversity antennas
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What about these guys [...]
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I could be wrong, but from their site I get the strong impression none of it is done, and they'll start work on it the minute someone orders a few thousand.
Also: they base everything on the Compact Flash 802.11 cards with some extra hardware, which is unlikely to pretend it's a PC running ActiveSync straight out of the box, so some extra work is in order.
What we need is a CF 802.11 card that comes with an SDK for adding your own code. No need for extra parts and power consumption: the card should have enough spare cycles to pretend it's ActiveSync on Windows plus the USB. (Or serial at 115.200 if that's somehow easier). Then all we need after the two manmonths of coding is a nice plastic stick-one case and we're done...
Ok, how about this then:
http://www.tuanistechnology.com/products/avaya/converter/
Or this:
http://www.autodnc.de/ctwlani.htm
You'll find a whole bunch of them out there, all serial and 115200bps, but none of the companies seem to have identified the PDA-owners a market for their produkts.
I'd say most of these products use way to much power for PDA use.
Really, let's not build stuff that's already on the PC or CF card to begin with.
Anyone found a way to access 802.11b yet? I see that Linksys has the WCF12 (The Wireless CompactFlash Card installs directly into your Pocket PC using a CompactFlash Type I or Type II slot). I think that fits the IPaq. I need one for the SX56.
I saw some creative ideas above. Anybody try matching the pin-outs yet??
:roll: Sigh. Read my lips. It won't work. It's not a matter of "pin-outs." It's far, far deeper than that on both hardware and software.
And really, would you want to access an ethernet network at 115k??? What for?
LumpiStefan said:
Helllo.
I don´t think, that the wireless lan card will work in the XDA. In the technical PDF there is a picture that shows a SDIO-Interface.
XDA still do NOT have a SDIO-Interface.
Regards
Stefan
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While I doubt that anyone will, it ought to be a small task to design a Bluetooth interface that will work with SDIO or SD either as a polled device or memory mapped I/O. For Bluetooth this should produce acceptable results --- for 802.11b clearly it would not.
It won't work. It's not a matter of "pin-outs." It's far, far deeper than that on both hardware and software.
And really, would you want to access an ethernet network at 115k??? What for?
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It certainly seems doable. What is the limitation on the SX56 that does not exist on iPaq? And since I struggled through years and years of 36K dialup before DSL, for the limited data access needed for a PDA, 115K seems like heaven. Noone is going to treat it like a workstation. But access to remote data has a wide range of applications.
The iPaq has an expansion port, the XDA does not.
Carlos:
If you have a quick look at one of the links I have provided above you should find that there are a couple of solutions available for anyone who would like to connect a 802.11 device to a serial port. They may be a little bulky and power hungry, but that can surely be taken care of.
There will be 256MB SDIO card with built-in 801.11, right? What about a 256MB SDRW card with built-in SDIO and USB-host? With the USB/serial/power/peripheral connector of the Qtek sitting next to the SD-slot you could easily build a device that connects to both "ports". Wouldn't it be nice?
wi-fi stuffs for Qtek
Hi Bamse,
Could you tell me what exactly that I would need to purchased
to have my Qtek works with wi-fi? Thank you.
None of it exists today. Everything posted so far is theoretical. It will never exist. There's no market for it.
Anyone have/know of a solution to use USB instead of Serial for the wireless modem fetures?
The Laptop systems I build are too small and dont offer LPT or Serial ports.
Thanx
Todd
-- I do have a USB to Serial adapter kit from Belkin but would rather not have to use that.
I know how to do it: there's just no freakin' time!
Could someone please do the following:
- Create a virtual serial port on the PC. (This is the only non-trivial part, especially if it must work under 98/ME as well as under NT/2000/XP.)
- Verify presence of special DLL upon ActiveSync, transfer DLL if it's not there.
- When COM port on host PC is opened, signal is sent to DLL, which proceeds to suspend TAPI and talk to the the modem. (See XDAunlock.exe source for details)
- Use the documented method for transferring streaming data via ActiveSync, from the virtual comm port, via the DLL, to the modem. And vice versa, ofcourse. Comm port can be at any speed, modem is 115k2.
- Revert to normal when virtual COM port is closed.
If someone has code for a virtual com-port lying around, the rest isn't hard, and it would make a lot of people very happy.
well i guess ill do this instead for now
here is a nice small adapter i found w a virtual port - similar to the Belkin i already have but smaller in size (and this is important)
http://www.iogear.com/products/product.php?Item=GUC232A
Hey can i please get a pole from the members on who is using the wireless modem - the quality they are getting and the provider (ie ATT, Tmobile...) they are using please?
WiFi anyone??
well here is an application im planning on emulating w the Wireless modem of the XDA. Currently Im using Wifi which is great but when i cant "stumble" on an open AP id like to use the wireless modem in the XDA
http://www.jonadams.com/pages/wifi/wifi_setup.htm
What I am trying to figure out is if I can use my Droid Bionic as the internet source to my router, using the usb tether option.
I am trying to provide a stronger signal to other devices in my house, and to have a private network that will work my printer, satellte tv, etc.
Is this possible?
Not that i know of unless using the wireless tether and using your router to jump the signal.. if tour router supports it.
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Wireless signal repeating is a part of the 802.11n spec. If you have a wireless-N router there should be a firmware option to enable it.
Maybe USB tethering to a PC is the solution. The steps required after that might get complex, but in short your goal is to bridge that connection to your standard ethernet adapter on the PC.
Plug the ethernet from your PC into the router. Put this in place of where your modem typically connects and you should be only a few networking tutorials away from a configuration that works.
USB tethering isn't supported on your router most likely, or any router for that matter. That's why you are going to have to put a PC running Vista+ or Ubuntu 10+ (others may work) for interfacing the connection to a standard ethernet cable.
If a repeater is all you need this won't be useful for you.
Personally, I intend to configure my network to use the 4G connection's superior upload rate, as my ISP at home provides 3Mbps upload while 4G gets 10Mbps.
Using modified firmware on the router will make many things possible. You may want to check out DD-WRT (what I'm currently using) or Tomato.
Do you want both WAN connections (ISP and 4G) to be available to your network?
Sorry if I'm confusing anyone. =)
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Just the 4g.
I currently use the wireless tether option, which provides me 4g internet access for all devices in my house, but I do not have much latitude as far as distance ( the further away the device is from the phone, quality of service declines).
I know that I can USB tether the phone using pda-connect, which works rather well. I just want to use my wireless printer without a lot hassle, and have 1 network that is complete.
Dan
USB.. Not without additional hardware people have already mentioned.
Your router can pick up the WiFi tether from you phone and use it. I have this setup at home with my LinkSys WRT54G. Its called "repeater" mode. I'm not saying it can do it with the stock firmware, but it can thanks to the DD-WRT firmware I loaded onto it. Just google DD-WRT. Many older routers can install it freely. They started charging registrations for some newer routers. That's why I bought a used WRT54G off e-bay for $20 bucks, since I didn't have a router anyways
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I would agree with the previous setup also.
But really, there's no better router than a book and an old dusty PC.
I want to do exactly this.
Currently, I have limited functionality with an old cradlepoint router. The router works fine with PC's and mac's but not the iPad. I narrowed the problem down to the MTU setting which cannot be adjusted on the router or the iPad.
I was thinking about purchasing one of those sapido routers, but I'm not sure if it supports the bionic. The price is right though.
Any update on this thread?
Hey again gang,
So, I did it... I purchased a sapido router from amazon... this one to be exact:
http://www.amazon.com/Sapido-GR-173...OY/ref=sr_1_11?ie=UTF8&qid=1327437644&sr=8-11
I received the router yesterday and connected it to my phone and it works beautifully... better and faster than any other internet service provider we have out here (Time Warner, Local telcom, clearwire, etc...). Just to let all of you know too, I have the 901 ROM installed on my phone, so no more disconnects. I was watching veetle all night and not one hickup.
All I did to get everything to work was go into settings, Wireless & networks, Tetehring & Mobile Hotspot and check USB tethering. The router finds the connection instantly and the green light comes on indicating that we have internet!!
Ethernet and wireless work great to my desktop and laptop. I did try it out with my iPad. The connection to the iPad mostly works, but it does take forever to get some pages. To remedy this, if you do get the router, change the MTU settings from 1492 to 1400 and then everything works beautifully to an iPad.
Best of luck to all of you who decide to use your phone as the main source of internet to your home through the usage of the outstanding sapido router!
Thanks.
Howdy,
Same here. I went with the Sapido RB-1733 from Amazon. Works fine as a regular router, and I can plug my Bionic into the USB port and charge it while its using the tether option. Much better at having a full size router spreading your wifi around the house, besides wired networked stuff.
later...
Purchased gr-1733, but can not get it to work properly. Please tell me the settings you used to get this working. I am using verizon bionic with 4g.
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I want to tell everybody purchasing routers that support USB built in: your existing network equipment (router) or any old, unused PC can do this for you free.
In fact, there are so many ways to share your 4G throughout your home I won't explain them in-depth unless there are specific questions.
Routers: many routers (Linksys, Buffalo, Belkin, NetGear, ASUS, and many more) contain hardware capable of running open-source firmware. My network contains many flashed routers: Linksys E4200 v1, Linksys E2000, Buffalo WHT-HP-54G, and Belkin F7D7301 v1. These models are all compatible with modified firmware. But keep reading...
ALL YOU NEED IS A USB PORT on your router. The firmwares (assuming your router is compatible) take care of the rest. Be warned, there are ways to brick your routers if you don't read the wiki/forum threads properly. In my opinion, these are much easier to flash than phones.
The DD-WRT supported devices list will let you know if you have a box *already compatible* with DD-WRT. Otherwise, use this reference to shop around for a router with at least:
8 MB flash
1 USB port (you can expand with a powered USB hub)
Support for optware (any Broadcomm router will work!)
This isn't very easy to find but almost any Linksys router has a broadcomm, for example. I can provide reference for any of you that might have questions.
Your router needs writeable space to keep a couple kernel modules that may/may not be built in to the particular DD-WRT flavour/build. Basically, this is something dependent on a per-router basis.
If you have something listed on the supported devices list, I will be happy to provide some reference on whether or not you will be able to do this.
USING A[N OLD] COMPUTER:
Get a linux distribution of your choice (I'll provide links on request)
Enable USB tether on your phone while plugged into a high-speed port.
Configure the connection to route out of your standard Ethernet adapter.
Plug your existing router's WAN/Internet port into the linux computer's Ethernet port.
And from here you troubleshoot. And I can try to help.
I will probably write something up on how to do this on my website once I get things running. For now, I'll subscribe to the thread and take questions here. I'd also like to point out there are many other creative ways somebody can do this. Just keep asking.
Good luck keeping your battery from draining faster than it can charge; I sincerely mean that. WiFi Tether can be killer if using it as a shared connection.
fxmech said:
I want to tell everybody purchasing routers that support USB built in: your existing network equipment (router) or any old, unused PC can do this for you free.
In fact, there are so many ways to share your 4G throughout your home I won't explain them in-depth unless there are specific questions.
Routers: many routers (Linksys, Buffalo, Belkin, NetGear, ASUS, and many more) contain hardware capable of running open-source firmware. My network contains many flashed routers: Linksys E4200 v1, Linksys E2000, Buffalo WHT-HP-54G, and Belkin F7D7301 v1. These models are all compatible with modified firmware. But keep reading...
ALL YOU NEED IS A USB PORT on your router. The firmwares (assuming your router is compatible) take care of the rest. Be warned, there are ways to brick your routers if you don't read the wiki/forum threads properly. In my opinion, these are much easier to flash than phones.
The DD-WRT supported devices list will let you know if you have a box *already compatible* with DD-WRT. Otherwise, use this reference to shop around for a router with at least:
8 MB flash
1 USB port (you can expand with a powered USB hub)
Support for optware (any Broadcomm router will work!)
This isn't very easy to find but almost any Linksys router has a broadcomm, for example. I can provide reference for any of you that might have questions.
Your router needs writeable space to keep a couple kernel modules that may/may not be built in to the particular DD-WRT flavour/build. Basically, this is something dependent on a per-router basis.
If you have something listed on the supported devices list, I will be happy to provide some reference on whether or not you will be able to do this.
USING A[N OLD] COMPUTER:
Get a linux distribution of your choice (I'll provide links on request)
Enable USB tether on your phone while plugged into a high-speed port.
Configure the connection to route out of your standard Ethernet adapter.
Plug your existing router's WAN/Internet port into the linux computer's Ethernet port.
And from here you troubleshoot. And I can try to help.
I will probably write something up on how to do this on my website once I get things running. For now, I'll subscribe to the thread and take questions here. I'd also like to point out there are many other creative ways somebody can do this. Just keep asking.
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FXMech,
So i've had a Linksys E4200 for some time and after reading your instructions have flashed dd-wrt onto my router. There are a lot of neat features now available but i'm not sure how to get the router to use my phone at an internet source. I'm using a motorola usb data cable and have easy tether set to share my internet and when i plug it into my router i get nothing. any help with this would be appreciated.
fxmech said:
I want to tell everybody purchasing routers that support USB built in: your existing network equipment (router) or any old, unused PC can do this for you free.
In fact, there are so many ways to share your 4G throughout your home I won't explain them in-depth unless there are specific questions.
Routers: many routers (Linksys, Buffalo, Belkin, NetGear, ASUS, and many more) contain hardware capable of running open-source firmware. My network contains many flashed routers: Linksys E4200 v1, Linksys E2000, Buffalo WHT-HP-54G, and Belkin F7D7301 v1. These models are all compatible with modified firmware. But keep reading...
ALL YOU NEED IS A USB PORT on your router. The firmwares (assuming your router is compatible) take care of the rest. Be warned, there are ways to brick your routers if you don't read the wiki/forum threads properly. In my opinion, these are much easier to flash than phones.
The DD-WRT supported devices list will let you know if you have a box *already compatible* with DD-WRT. Otherwise, use this reference to shop around for a router with at least:
8 MB flash
1 USB port (you can expand with a powered USB hub)
Support for optware (any Broadcomm router will work!)
This isn't very easy to find but almost any Linksys router has a broadcomm, for example. I can provide reference for any of you that might have questions.
Your router needs writeable space to keep a couple kernel modules that may/may not be built in to the particular DD-WRT flavour/build. Basically, this is something dependent on a per-router basis.
If you have something listed on the supported devices list, I will be happy to provide some reference on whether or not you will be able to do this.
USING A[N OLD] COMPUTER:
Get a linux distribution of your choice (I'll provide links on request)
Enable USB tether on your phone while plugged into a high-speed port.
Configure the connection to route out of your standard Ethernet adapter.
Plug your existing router's WAN/Internet port into the linux computer's Ethernet port.
And from here you troubleshoot. And I can try to help.
I will probably write something up on how to do this on my website once I get things running. For now, I'll subscribe to the thread and take questions here. I'd also like to point out there are many other creative ways somebody can do this. Just keep asking.
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Some advice on how to get Android USB tethering to work on dd-wrt would be much appreciated.
Using a Linksys E3000 - DD-WRT Build 19519 installed
JFFS2 Enabled
usbnet.ko, cdc_ether.ko and rndis_host.ko installed
Now stuck at this point.
Thanks in advance
Nice before I even read this I was doing usb teather to my computer. Then I would hook my router up to my computers ethernet port to outers internet port. I have windows 7 so I did network bridge and the router had internet. To bad you need the computer but other than that wifi on router is grwat. Lan is also great. I play xbox live from this setup.
Hehe, I was just going to find some reference on the Ubuntu equivalent of "Connection Sharing," and landed back here forgetting completely about how I've helped motivate this search result.
Here's the deal - I was wrong about a few of my previous posts, I am too lazy to retract and edit out the stupidity,
I have since discovered a fundamental flaw in my logic - "USB tether" is NOT equal to "USB modem" - don't ask me why. However, I can say I know the limitations now.
Bad news: All USB-capable routers supporting TomatoUSB ( http://tomatousb.org ) or DD-WRT ( http://dd-wrt.com/wiki [the main site is useless for regular people, stick to the wiki & forums] ) will not allow this. I have just confirmed in the DD-WRT Kong Mod build for the Linksys E4200 won't do it. To cut to the chase, this build included what I suspected to be the additional modules usually needed. Turns out, those modules are for USB modems, which is a separate type of subscription service, not to mention an additional Dongle to buy. I suppose it's useful for some.
I like to skate by on the cheap, so I won't be able to speak to these (awesome sounding) routers previous people bought. For those of us still wanting to have fancy internet sharing (non-phone-WiFi), you will have your answers revealed. Just not this post. I am not ready to tear down some of my excess equipment and get it rigged up quite yet.
I will be working with Windows 7 and Windows Server 2008 R2 machines at a later date. I anticipate no problems with either, and from my estimation the gist of what's required has already been talked about in this thread.
However, as the resident dork-in-charge of my home office - my specific interest lies in "multiple WAN" on my router. There are 2 reasons to do this. Redundancy or[and?] load-balancing. My new gateway since my last posts in the topic has switched from the E4200 over to an installation of Zentyal 3.0 ( http://zentyal.org ). Zentyal 3.0 is based on Ubuntu Server 12.04 LTS, so I suspect it is possible to tether.
I anticipate a lot of people might stumble here searching The Google. I figure I might as well write this out in a organized, thorough way. More to come as I make room in my brains to type out a relatively coherent tutorial for both OSes.
Sorry guys, 2 people flashed routers per my speculation. If I find any solid info in the future I'll check back.
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Thanks for the update!
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Looks like Android USB tethering to a router is working with the ASUS RT-N66U. I haven't bought the router yet, but I plan to soon.
See here for instructions: http://support.asus.com/Search/KDetail.aspx?SLanguage=en&no=A02827F8-3DB9-CC0E-5F67-85F7D3FB48E4&t=2