I read a while back that some Nexus One owners with T-Mobile could enable some sort of setting that would allow them to reach higher speeds, possibly due to the HSPA+ network T-Mobile rolled out.
Today, AT&T announced they would be rolling out LTE later this year but already had a "4G" HSPA+ network widely deployed. My question is can those of us on an AT&T band Nexus One tap in to HSPA+ like the T-Mobile owners did?
If I am missing something here, Please let me know. I am always willing to learn more
Thanks in advance.
The nexus one has a Max dl speed of 7.2, which is not part of the hspa+ '4g' network. Once hspa+ is activated in your area you will see speed increases due to increased overall network improvements, but you will not see hspa+ speeds.
The tmobile setting you are probably referring to is just a change in the build.prop file from ro.ril.hsxpa=1 to hsxpa=2.
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First, I'm a flashing newbie, and still have the stock ROM and Radio flashed on my Touch Pro 2.
TMOBILE has now updated(via some secret behind the scenes update) their Touch Pro 2 owners to "4G" coverage in the Detroit metro area. I would like flash to some of the ROMS offered but I'm not sure if after doing so will I continue to receive TMOBILE'S 4G coverage. I understand that "radio" flashing is separate from Rom flashing but is anyone sure that just flashing the ROM would not effect the TMOBILE 4G update.
Any help or insight is greatly appreciated.
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Does the TP2 hardware even support 4G? That's not something you can just "upgrade". Are you sure that they're not just offering more bandwidth via HDSPA? If that's the case, then what ROM you're using will have no effect on that seeing as nearly all custom ROMs have it on by default.
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First, I'm a flashing newbie, and still have the stock ROM and Radio flashed on my Touch Pro 2.
TMOBILE has now updated(via some secret behind the scenes update) their Touch Pro 2 owners to "4G" coverage in the Detroit metro area. I would like flash to some of the ROMS offered but I'm not sure if after doing so will I continue to receive TMOBILE'S 4G coverage. I understand that "radio" flashing is separate from Rom flashing but is anyone sure that just flashing the ROM would not effect the TMOBILE 4G update.
Any help or insight is greatly appreciated.
Thanks
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Got a screenshot of your TP2 showing 4G?
from my understanding, only the touch pro 2 from europe and japan have the 4g hardware, usa only 3g hardware, thats why i bought mine from taiwan so when 4g comes out, im well equipped!!!
For AT&T
GENERAL 2G Network GSM 850 / 900 / 1800 / 1900
HSDPA 850 / 1900 / 2100
- Also known as HTC Tilt 2 for AT&T
GENERAL 2G Network GSM 850 / 900 / 1800 / 1900
3G Network HSDPA 900 / 2100
HSDPA 850 / 1900 / 2100 or HSDPA 1700 / 2100
gsmarena.com
T-mobile doesn't have 4G coverage in the US...despite their claims.
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T-mobile doesn't have 4G coverage in the US...despite their claims.
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what they are actually doing is claiming their 3g network as 4g. its hspa. they took a card from verizon that considered their 2g network to be 3g. "you mean, alot of our 3g network is slower than atts 2g? and the only bits that are fast enough to keep up have less coverage than their 3g and is still slower? nonsense! i choose not to believe!"
T-mobile is marketing the same network even when they say 3G or 4G because it's all just upgrades, the appropriate term should be "3.5G". all of their sales reps i've encountered don't know anything about their network or their devices.
a week before the G2 came out, one of the reps tried to tell me that it was sporting a "dual-core processor". i laughed and corrected him without missing a beat. just watch their commercials...it's sad to see someone advertise 4G when it's just "3.5G".
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T-mobile is marketing the same network even when they say 3G or 4G because it's all just upgrades, the appropriate term should be "3.5G". all of their sales reps i've encountered don't know anything about their network or their devices.
a week before the G2 came out, one of the reps tried to tell me that it was sporting a "dual-core processor". i laughed and corrected him without missing a beat. just watch their commercials...it's sad to see someone advertise 4G when it's just "3.5G".
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Actually, it's HSPA+, not HSPA, T-Mobile & Sprint are advertising as 4G, which is faster & only a select few devices support the new HSPA+ speeds. So, it's more like 3.75G. HSPA+ provides HSPA data rates up to 56 Mbit/s down and 22 Mbit/s up. Future revisions of HSPA+ support up to 168 Mbit/s using multiple carriers. Regular HSPA maxes out @ 14 Mbit/s. The TP2 & most of HTC's 3G/HSPA(+) devices only support 7.2 Mbit/s down, 2 Mbit/s up. So, to answer the OP ?, If the network in that area was slower than 7.2 Mbit/s down before the upgrade, you will see an increase, but it'd be maxed out at 7.2 Mbit/s due to device limitations. As this is a Hardware issue, ROM doesn't matter other than the fact the lighter ROM's runs faster & therefore can get higher speeds because of the extra free RAM/Resources. Whereas, heavy, more feature rich ROM will tax the device more & therefore the CPU/RAM/Etc. won't be able to attain max bandwidth. It's like having a 30 Mbit Cable/DSL connection on a Pentium 3 PC. It'd never get the max speed as the system is just too slow to take advantage of it.
So basically, their advertising maybe false, it is used to explain a faster network & used to simplify which devices support this new speed. Most consumers wouldn't understand all this. So instead of dealing with, "why doesn't my 3G phone get full speed? *cry*" from customers not understanding their device has a limited bandwidth. Think of it like the days of dial-up modems. ISP A has a 56K network, but User B has a 28K Modem, so User B only gets 28K speeds.
"A 4G system is expected to provide a comprehensive and secure all-IP based solution where facilities such as ultra-broadband (giga-bit speed such as 1000+ Mbit/s) Internet access, IP telephony, gaming services, and streamed multimedia may be provided to users."
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So it goes something like this;
2G -> EDGE (2.5G) -> 3G -> HSPA (3.5G) -> HSPA+ (3.75G?) -> 4G (?)
Also keep in mind it's measured in bits per second, not bytes. There's 8 bits per byte. So 8Mbit/s = 1 MB. Also some service providers cheat by counting it as 10 bits per byte. (b=bit/B=Byte)
EDIT: Interesting side note, according to gsmarena.com, the G2 & MyTouch 4G only supports HSPA 14.4 Mbit/s down & 5.76 Mbit/s up (T-Mobile's network is 21 Mbit/s according to reports) & the Evo 4G only supports Rev. A, up to 3.1 Mbit/s.
I was wondering if there were any imported G Note owners in the LA California Market area that could test a situation for me...
I just came off of a 1 hour phone call with T-mobile tech support, they have told me that in the LA Market area they ARE INDEED running 1900mhz HSPA+ as of November 2011. They claim that the GNote should be capable of pulling in data on this band with a regular Tmobile SIM and entering the proper APN settings into the phone. I had this confirmed by a level 3 tech support agent and a supervisor, also from level 3 tech support.
If this is true, then we should ALSO be able to receive data on the 1900mhz band once the AT&T roaming agreements go into effect at the beginning of the new year.
Anyone who could verify this by actually using a Tmobile SIM and using the correct APN settings, your info would be much appreciated.
Well I am not in the LA area, but I would gladly test it. Although I have no idea how to change the APN settings.
Also, does this mean they are planning on supporting 1900mhz everywhere in the near future, hopefully?
T-Mo migrating their 3G over to 1900mhz makes a lot of sense really. Had the AT&T-Mobile deal gone through, their plans were to phase out 1700mhz AWS in order to make way for LTE using the same frequencies anyway. Since that failed, AT&T and T-Mobile are basically going to achieve the same thing through roaming agreements, but in order for that to work, they need to be fully compatible with each other. So, either AT&T needs to start supporting AWS 1700 compatible hardware, or T-Mobile needs to start phasing out AWS 1700 3G in favor of 850/1900 3G instead in order to be compatible with AT&T. The latter seems more likely to be the case, especially as that would mean that AWS 1700 could be freed up to allow T-Mobile to (maybe) roll out their own LTE network someday.
I can tell you in a few days when my SIM arrives, I live in that general area
Hi All,
Is there *any* way I can get 3G/4G speeds on Samsung Focus S? I saw the unlock/debrand thread. Will it also enable 3G speeds on t-mobile network or is it hardware related and there is nothing we can do about it?
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hardware...
My Focus S did 4G right out of the box.
The main reason you might not be able to get higher speed data lines is because of the frequencies your carrier uses to support those data feeds. Not all carriers are using the same bands. Rogers (here in Canada) uses the same bands as AT&T, so you pretty well have to wait until you can find an AT&T phone to buy to make it work.
T-Mobile in the US uses different bands, so their phones will only do E here in Canada. Likewise, and unlocked AT&T phone will only do E on T-Mobile in the US.
HOW THE F$%& do we get MMS to work if on Tmobile????
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That is good? What are you talking about... @waswaser quit posting random **** to get enough posts to spam the threads! Anyways I finally got data for Tmobile and now I have MMS Woohoo! AT&T is refarming some towers so people with unlocked AT&T phones will get 3g/4g on Tmobile, that will start 2013 i believe...
"T-Mobile reiterates their wish to launch 4G HSPA+ in the 1900 band in a
large number of markets by the end of the year. Current testing shows a
33% increase in HSPA+ data speeds and improved in-building coverage.
“Rolling out 4G HSPA+ services in the 1900 MHz band will also offer
customers with the ability to use a broader range of devices"
in other words... Focus S should work @ HSPA+ by the end of the year (if you are in the right market. Which, selfishly, should include NYC)
You lucky son.... Anyways I get great reception where I life, but it's more of a rural town Northwest of SEATTLE. I've tried AT&T phones here and I get HSDPA+ so would I get it when Tmobile is done refarming? I'd be happy with 3g though as EDGE blows...
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Has anyone gotten their z1 LTE working on canada fido?
i've got a 6903, and i swear before i inserted the apn manually i've seen 4g on my status bar. could be just my imagination.
i've tried internet.fido.ca for apn and i'm limited to H+. when i go online and they suggested ltemobile.apn, i couldn't get data at all.
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Has anyone gotten their z1 LTE working on canada fido?
i've got a 6903, and i swear before i inserted the apn manually i've seen 4g on my status bar. could be just my imagination.
i've tried internet.fido.ca for apn and i'm limited to H+. when i go online and they suggested ltemobile.apn, i couldn't get data at all.
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I'm on Rogers, which is the same service and I get 4G using ltemobile.apn. I'm more than happy with this and have been getting 38 mbit on speedtest.
I've not seen the LTE icon tho, and either I cannot get it in this area (which seems unlikely as I am in downtown Vancouver) or this phone will not do LTE as it does not have the 700 band.
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I'm on Rogers, which is the same service and I get 4G using ltemobile.apn. I'm more than happy with this and have been getting 38 mbit on speedtest.
I've not seen the LTE icon tho, and either I cannot get it in this area (which seems unlikely as I am in downtown Vancouver) or this phone will not do LTE as it does not have the 700 band.
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did you mean you still get 4g speeds even though you didn't get the lte icon?
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did you mean you still get 4g speeds even though you didn't get the lte icon?
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I see a 4G icon and have not seen the LTE icon. I've read the manual and it mentions a LTE icon but not a 4G icon, but that's what I have. For all I know I am actually getting LTE.
I had thought that LTE was even faster then this, especially in major cities near antennas.
But from what I have read a lot of LTE users do not even get the speeds I am seeing so I am quite pleased with this phone's data connection as it is.
I am on TELUS and when i originally got the phone it only showed 4G. I have however updated to 534 and it now shows LTE. Hope that helps?
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I am on TELUS and when i originally got the phone it only showed 4G. I have however updated to 534 and it now shows LTE. Hope that helps?
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I'm on 534 now. Can I ask what sort of speeds you are getting?
LTE coverage on the Z1 is more spotty though compared to my previous Note 2. Also Telus lacks access to 2600mhz LTE from Bell/Rogers which offers higher speeds.
hey guys, if you are getting anything above 30mbps/download.. especially member 30 Seconds who is getting 48mbps, that's definitely LTE. I just wanted to confirm that you DONT need the 700Mhz to be on LTE. I called Fido on separate occasions due an initial 'not-so-bright' rep who take ages to answer my question and eventually needed to ask her co-worker for help (I don't know how they get hired.. lol) and both Fido employees have stated that ONLY 2100 and 2600 Mhz is needed for LTE. I questioned if support for 700Mhz is needed and they said no. I still am not able to test out my Z1 yet which is still in the box so hopefully somebody can come forward and verify that they see their C6903 showing the LTE symbol on Fido or Rogers.
The frequencies are used differently.
High frequency in urban areas for throughput. Low frequency for less dense areas, more range and penetration. So, what you"need" depends on where you are basically.
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So after the denim update, AWS (aka 1700/2100 or LTE Band 4) support for the icon(929) became available, and because of this I purchased the Icon and I love it. However I live in Canada and have a month to month plan with Mobilicity. I guess I didn't do my research well enough (I'd like to think the internet was a bit misleading but....i guess its matter of perspective). Mobilicity solely rely on the AWS band frequency. They don't offer LTE but instead use HSPA . I knew that already but I figured that since AWS was supported I could receive HSPA signal over the 4G radio but nope I was wrong.
So I guess there are enough distinct differences between HSPA on AWS and LTE on AWS enough for them to be not cross compatible? Is this a hardware "issue" or a firmware/software one that I could do something about? Is it possible to enable 2G/3G/HSPA over the 4G radio? Or maybe I can get it to work by setting the APN correctly? I looked at some phones specs over on GSMArena which do offer HSPA + LTE support over AWS, I really want to say that it seems unlikely that 2 or more pieces of hardware are required to offer 2 services on what is essentially the same frequency.