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[Q] Stylus Pen

Has anyone tried a stylus pen on the SGT? Was thinking about getting the DAGi stylus for my tab but before I did I wanted to know if anyone had any advice to give based on past experiences.
Regards,
Tyler

Boxwave!
I picked up a black Boxwave IPad 'Styra' (pen one end and stylus the other). I find it very accurate. Also tried a Pogo but found it pretty poor (too squishy and kind of fuzzy tip). If you search forvreviews youwill find heaps. All I need now is a decent handwriting recognition app. Tried several in the market and not impressed.

hey buddy i ordered a Dagi, ill recieve it in about a week. i liked the perciseness of it. so ill keep u posted how it is once i get it

Get the red dot pen by HTC. That's what I recommend, anyway. It's extremely precise. Just search google for "red dot stylus htc".

Anyone knows whether there is any palm rejection supported software out there for note taking on the tab? been seeing that the hardware supports it, but i dont think there is any good software to utilize it yet..

What like how the htc flyer notes app works? That uses specilist hardware so it wont work on the tab
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Hi all HTC did NOT make the pen for the flyer it was n-trig take a look at there web site just Google n-trig
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The screen for GT is supplied by Atmel and through web there was an interview with Atmel's product marketing Binay Bajaj saying
"There's something called "palm rejection." We support that. And unintended touches, which you can reject. We call it "grip," touching the screen from the side. We have something called "grip suppression." In spite of the grip, you can still use the device."
So I was hoping that the hardware for GT already supports it, but there is no software out in the market utilizing this feature yet.. unless I missed it. And yes, flyer's digitizer is supplied by n-trig and thats a different matter.

vToq said:
Anyone knows whether there is any palm rejection supported software out there for note taking on the tab? been seeing that the hardware supports it, but i dont think there is any good software to utilize it yet..
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so the palm rejection isn't just automatic on the tab at all times? it has to be supported in specific apps?
that woudl suck if that's true. I figured it was just like that all the time.
either way we need some useful handwriting or other custom writing (jot?) style apps for the tab/android. otherwise a stylus is sort of an inconvenient gimmick, isn't it?

is it all the same type of stylus head in the market? from the after market product of stylus? i tried once but it feels of lag of motion, this an eraser head type (flat on the surface)

I got the "just mobile AluPen". Rounded eraser head type, but glides very easily. I got it for highlighting in PDFs.
Works quite ok. But not as well as my finger!
When you use it for Swype, the trace on the letters looks okay, but the recognition is way worse than with the finger. And you have to press a bit to get a good trace.
Stopped using it.

I got targus tablet stylus pen for 11€ including shipping.
It works okay, but its not as useful as I thought, finger is still working better, one has to press to hard and capacititve styluses aren't accurate enough.

Fingers are better...
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Rayan McFly said:
Fingers are better...
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sure they are, but even used a phone in -10°C?
Finger becomes useless when wet in rain or due to sweat hence we need a stylus as a backup in those extreme conditions.

even used a phone in -10°C?
Finger becomes useless when wet in rain or due to sweat hence we need a stylus as a backup in those extreme conditions
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Capacitive screens are rubbish at low temps, question: do styluses work with gloves on or do they need direct contact with the skin as a current path?
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PBL1 said:
do styluses work with gloves on or do they need direct contact with the skin as a current path?
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If you have capacitive stylus then they work with gloves you don't need direct skin contact.
Pogo stylus pen are the best for this purpose.
http://www.tenonedesign.com/stylus.php

Pogo stylus pen are the best for this purpose
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Tanks, I just order one from Amazon, I was going to buy an Trent battery pack anyway so I added the pogo to my trolley too
Regards
P

[WIP] The Nook Color Backpack....

To avoid jacking Verygreens thread on usb host support, I am creating this thread for development of the Nook Color Backpack.
What is the Backpack, you ask?
The Backpack will be an open hardware based addon similar in style to the sliders used on Compaq(HP) iPaqs. It will be self contained in that it will carry its own battery source for powering USB peripherals and also a few built in goodies such as a camera module, stereo speakers(possibly amplified), and possibly a GPS module.
This thread is to help others who may want to build a similar device and to accept input from the community on its design. PLEASE, refrain from any flame wars or other similar postings.
Feel free to post with suggestions, comments or even criticism(as long as it is constructive).

Reserved for schematics and other technical details....

reserved for pics and misc. details......

Neat idea! I'm looking forward to seeing where this goes.

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Interesting idea...

Sparkfun.com sells a bunch of stuff that would make for a good prototype:
5V 600mA boost converter and LiIon charger (w/ microusb charging port):
http://www.sparkfun.com/products/10300
2Ah single LiPo cell:
http://www.sparkfun.com/products/8483
microUSB plug - right angle breakout:
http://www.sparkfun.com/products/10031
USB A socket:
http://www.sparkfun.com/products/9011
If you were planning to use a hub you'd need a more capable boost converter or go with 2 LiPo cells in series and step-down. For a proof-of-concept I think you can get pretty far with these parts.

pokey9000 said:
Sparkfun.com sells a bunch of stuff that would make for a good prototype:
5V 600mA boost converter and LiIon charger (w/ microusb charging port):
http://www.sparkfun.com/products/10300
2Ah single LiPo cell:
http://www.sparkfun.com/products/8483
microUSB plug - right angle breakout:
http://www.sparkfun.com/products/10031
USB A socket:
http://www.sparkfun.com/products/9011
If you were planning to use a hub you'd need a more capable boost converter or go with 2 LiPo cells in series and step-down. For a proof-of-concept I think you can get pretty far with these parts.
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Thanks pokey. I'll check into those. As far as the plug, I'm currently looking at buying and modifying a stock cable...to retain stock charging from a high amp source. Externally I think I will be going with a standard female USB A port for power in/stock USB connectivity.
The hub I've chosen so far is a cheapo Targus unpowered. Very easy to mod into what will be required.
Really need to get on a rough draft drawing of the general layout. I work 12 hours a day in construction. Ill try hard to squeeze spare time in for this and pics of the little I have done so far this week.
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solar panel, 1.8" hard drive, flash card reader, speakers and 3g card are some things I think might also be cool in something like this.

I am digging this idea. Can't wait to see some progress on this. If the speakers were bt then you could limit the wires some. Space for a 1/8 inch hdd would be nice because you could just use a cf card if you desired. Could really make the nook into a sort of laptop device if done right. Really can't wait to see this. Also check this out. Found it in another thread. May want to add a holder for it into the design somehow. http://www.amazon.com/ProMini-Wireless-Bluetooth-Keyboard-TouchPad/dp/B003ZJEUBI/ref=pd_sim_e_1

Good idea 3G will be appreciated.
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It took some googling for me to figure out what you were trying to do, but I see now you want to make a hard case that slides over the back of the NC with some hardware integrated.
My main criticism is that the backpack form factor is really optimized for handheld devices, and the NC is already pushing the practical weight for a handheld device. We're looking at easily another 1lb or more with this hardware, rendering it more of a docking station, at which point an actual docking station with a keyboard makes more sense.
Still, if you do want to design a backpack, consider incorporating stands and grips to make it more ergonomic. For instance, you could have fold-out tripod legs, or a picture-frame style easel, and indentations or possibly even finger loops.
Personally, I would prefer a genuine dock to serve as the 'other half of the laptop,' without requiring that the NC be either permanently attached to all that hardware or removed from its primary case.

to make the hooks that go around the side you could use sugru to mold them. i would think that would work.

I have a few thoughts.
1. I might find time to make this into my obsession for a while, as much as this interests me. My degree is in electronic engineering and I'm a pretty crafty person so perhaps I can be of assistance. I will give it some thought and see if I can contribute. So busy this days with life...
2. One of the things I need to be able to switch from a full laptop is the ability to sit this thing on my lap and work from a keyboard. With all the current cases, they are not supported properly like a hinged laptop display so they have to be on something and propped up. To be able to use some type of hinged holder that is stiff enough to hold the Nook up would be awesome. I have some ideas on how to do this, it could be the finishing touch once it's all working.
3. With the functionality that most people seem to want, I personally don't think size is that big of an issue. Why don't we figure out how to mod one of the existing iPad cases or something of that nature? That would give a slightly larger keyboard and the extra space around where the Nook would attach and/or slide into could hold the additional hardware like speakers and such. IMO, if I can have the size of the Nook and pop it into something like this when I *really* need to work or type a long email, I'm cool with a slightly larger format.
I'm struggling to keep up with some of the latest info regarding USB host & BT support on the Nook and such, but I'll see if I can read up. I'm guessing that once the source for HC is released it all becomes easier and it appears that CM7 is already making a lot of progress.

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2. One of the things I need to be able to switch from a full laptop is the ability to sit this thing on my lap and work from a keyboard.
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3. With the functionality that most people seem to want, I personally don't think size is that big of an issue.
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More power to you, though it sounds like the Asus Transformer is exactly what you want.

Take a look at this:http://www.energizerpowerpacks.com/us/
I have 2 of the XP4001 models, each one is the size of a small usb hard drive. It has two usb ports on it and charges my phone, digital camera, and mp3 player great.
Haven't tried it on the Nook yet...
If I get what you're trying to do, taking apart one of the XP8000 models and going from there might be a good part of the prototype puzzle?
You can find these at office supply stores, more then big box electronics stores.

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More power to you, though it sounds like the Asus Transformer is exactly what you want.
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Now where's the fun in just buying it already made if we can design and build it ourselves

Blue6IX said:
Take a look at this:http://www.energizerpowerpacks.com/us/
I have 2 of the XP4001 models, each one is the size of a small usb hard drive. It has two usb ports on it and charges my phone, digital camera, and mp3 player great.
Haven't tried it on the Nook yet...
If I get what you're trying to do, taking apart one of the XP8000 models and going from there might be a good part of the prototype puzzle?
You can find these at office supply stores, more then big box electronics stores.
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This looks like a great battery pack. Thanks for the link.
I've been thinking more and reading more on verygreens thread...I'm start to think KISS. Battery pack and USB hub, with one port facing each way(left,right,top,bottom). Then just make a modified camera with the cord eliminated and the plug molded right into its housing. Have opposite ports facing forward and backward at top and bottom to allow for video chat or (very large) camera usage.
Some benifits of this will be more flexibility in hardware, possible use as a simple battery pack for the nook, and MUCH easier designing of the charging/bypass circuits.
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Taosaur said:
It took some googling for me to figure out what you were trying to do, but I see now you want to make a hard case that slides over the back of the NC with some hardware integrated.
My main criticism is that the backpack form factor is really optimized for handheld devices, and the NC is already pushing the practical weight for a handheld device. We're looking at easily another 1lb or more with this hardware, rendering it more of a docking station, at which point an actual docking station with a keyboard makes more sense.
Still, if you do want to design a backpack, consider incorporating stands and grips to make it more ergonomic. For instance, you could have fold-out tripod legs, or a picture-frame style easel, and indentations or possibly even finger loops.
Personally, I would prefer a genuine dock to serve as the 'other half of the laptop,' without requiring that the NC be either permanently attached to all that hardware or removed from its primary case.
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I see what you are saying...yeah, if I hold my nook one handed for any length of time...its heavy. As above, I have started thinking about keeping it simple. The hub I have only weighs an ounce or two, once stripped of the housing. The batteries will be the main source of weight/bulk. The charge controller is about dead simple using a picaxe 20x2 chip and very few components. Mostly it will just be a voltage source sensor and switch to transfer to the appropriate power source(battery or USB input).
I guess I haven't ever looked at this as a laptop converter, but rather as a way to complete the picture, by allowing the addition of things like a camera and microphone input that Android was made for.
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Syco54645 said:
to make the hooks that go around the side you could use sugru to mold them. i would think that would work.
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Not sure if sugru will be strong enough. Was thinking more along the lines of custom molded fiberglass. Easy enough, light, damn strong. Mayhaps ill spring for some carbon fiber
@ troyy0206....feel free to work on a seperate design as well. This isn't all about what I want...its about designing something that anyone else can duplicate or modify to their needs. As an EE, you have a leg up on most of us in terms of designing the circuitry. I'm just good at putting parts together.
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MS Surface-style keyboard

Anyone know if there are any manufacturers out there who are in the process of creating a Microsoft Surface style keyboard for the Nexus 7? I'm looking for something with as thin a profile as possible.. preferably, it would replace the Poetic smart cover case I have now. I hate bulk.

Nope, but it would be nice to have if they work well.

Nobody will ever make a cover like that for a 7" tablet because it would suck. Nobody over the age of 15 have hands small enough to operate a keyboard the width of a Nexus 7 with any efficiency and if its not an efficient means of input its a waste of money.

What rot! we use the onscreen keyboard easily enough though it's not the best thing and a physical keyboard is bound to be better especially if it's well made.

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What rot! we use the onscreen keyboard easily enough though it's not the best thing and a physical keyboard is bound to be better especially if it's well made.
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we use the onscreen keyboard with thumbs or one hand. are you going to use a physical keyboard with thumbs or one hand? even if you are willing i can not see a large enough group willing to do that for a company to spend the money in developing that small of a keyboard. especially a well made keyboard

I'm over the age of 15 and I've got tiny hands. Wish there was some kind of surface-like keyboard available, because I'd certainly make use of it.
Too bad the small-handed market isn't bigger, because nobody ever makes things with us in mind. Trying to find adult gloves that fit is a nightmare!

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Nobody will ever make a cover like that for a 7" tablet because it would suck. Nobody over the age of 15 have hands small enough to operate a keyboard the width of a Nexus 7 with any efficiency and if its not an efficient means of input its a waste of money.
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Lol guess the we aren't using the on screen keyboards then cause of the size
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BrianDigital said:
Lol guess the we aren't using the on screen keyboards then cause of the size
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I just placed my N7 up to my keyboard and all the letters would fit, I tiny bit of resizing would be needed to fit in punctuation but a good design could definately be practical at this size.

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I've used this with another tablet- it was perfectly serviceable, if a bit bulky. So it's completely doable, and the "no one will ever make a cover like that because it would suck" comment made me smile.

The comments that it would be too small for anyone to use tend to irritate me too. People claimed the galaxy note and even many of the original 4" androids were too big to operate one-handed and that they would suck as phones. Yet even with a 5.3" screen the note is can be used one-handed fairly easily. It isn't as comfortable to do so as a 4.3-4.7" range phone but it is still perfectly functional.
The same goes for keyboards on 7" tablets. They aren't as comfortable as full sized ones but they are still very convenient at times and add to the functionality of the tablet. I had a similar cover to Radon_22 for my original galaxy tab and found it very useful. I'm a former competitive heavyweight judoka and powerlifter so I don't exactly have small gentle hands yet it only took a few days of practice for me to adjust to typing on a small keyboard. I've also used some of the older Japanese produced 5-7" UMPC's and they were fine for me with some practice. I had to modify my touch typing style but once I adjusted my typing speed for documents was much better than on the on-screen keyboard. The main issue I had with the keyboard was the bulk it added; I only needed the keyboard in specific situations (documents, note taking, gaming) and being a cheap product the leather case and rubber keys were quite bulky. Secondly the quality and responsiveness of the keys was an issue; I've played around with the xperia tablet's surface-style capacitive keyboard cover and it performed far better than my old tab case.
One final point regarding the size; A lot of people actually do type on the nexus 7 in landscape mode which is far smaller than a 7" physical keyboard. I find thumb typing in portrait to be the most comfortable and accurate but during meetings I often find myself taking notes in landscape mode and I can actually type quite fast like that. The main issue is mi****ting keys (especially delete and the spacebar) during touch typing which is an issue with 10" tablets too. Having a compact physical keyboard that is always on the tablet would be a huge benefit for my work.

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I've used this with another tablet- it was perfectly serviceable, if a bit bulky. So it's completely doable, and the "no one will ever make a cover like that because it would suck" comment made me smile.
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That's the Minisuit Nexus 7 model. Available on Amazon for $30 with free shipping (prime). They also make the model that was referred to as the "Aluminum" one.
May try it.
http://www.amazon.com/MiniSuit-Blue...972424&sr=1-2&keywords=minisuit+keyboard+case

I have never had any problem using the on-screen keyboard on my Nexus 7 in landscape mode. In any case the fact that surface-style keyboard would effectively make use of the same area as the entire Nexus 7 screen would surely make it even more usable!
I would love a surface-style keyboard :good:

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I'm over the age of 15 and I've got tiny hands. Wish there was some kind of surface-like keyboard available, because I'd certainly make use of it.
Too bad the small-handed market isn't bigger, because nobody ever makes things with us in mind. Trying to find adult gloves that fit is a nightmare!
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I don't really know what is meant by a "Surface style keyboard". But if all you are looking for is a "pocket size" keyboard, there are plenty of them on eBay.

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I don't really know what is meant by a "Surface style keyboard". But if all you are looking for is a "pocket size" keyboard, there are plenty of them on eBay.
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I believe the idea is a keyboard with flat keys so that it can flip over and serve as a cover for the tablet.

This comes close but only for the iPad just now. http://www.logitech.com/en-gb/product/fabricskin-keyboard-folio

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This comes close but only for the iPad just now. http://www.logitech.com/en-gb/product/fabricskin-keyboard-folio
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That is pretty nice.
I think ultimately, the issue comes down to size. I've got the aluminum style keyboard/cover for my Nexus 7 now, and while it works somewhat well, I will never be able to type as fast on it as I do on a regular sized-keyboard. Manufacturers are aware of this, so there's not much of an initiative to design a flat-style keyboard for the 7" tablet market.. this is the best option for a mobile, full-sized keyboard: http://www.amazon.com/Samsung-Bluetooth-Compact-Wireless-Keyboard/dp/B005SIKYUK

That's a windows keyboard though. Logitech also make a similar one and there's a Motorola keyboard around that's the same and pretty cheap on eBay.

Kensington KeyFolio Expert

Hey folks. Just received this Case/Keyboard combo and figured i would write up a little review.
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B007RB10K4/ref=oh_details_o01_s00_i00
I am going to start with my only issue. It was built for 10" tablets so the N7 doesnt make it feel super comfy when the thing is closed up, but the 'suction' pad holds it very securely. I guess my only other problem with it would be that the face of the N7 hits the plastic keys when closed....which isnt an issue probably, but for some reason makes me nervous (easily solved by placing a screen wipe cloth there).
So those things aside.. I must say i am really happy with my purchase. If you place the N7 a little higher up on the suction pad, it makes the overall stability when closed much better. The keyboard works great and has all the working hotkeys (home, back, search, browser, settings, menu, music, music controls, volume, sleep, menu, and the superkey opens googlenow).
Keys are a bit small, but its not slowing me down, although the right shift is the one i usually use and ive missed it a couple times. The suction pad apparently doesnt get 'un-succy' . Its an adhesive rectangle about 6 inches in length and 3.5 inches in height that you can clean and maintain so it stays 'succy'. As i mentioned, I have placed the n7 about 1 inch from the bottom of this pad making the top reach halfway up the back of the tablet, and it's holding great. Also, It leaves no residue on the back of the N7 even though when you are peeling the N7 off it seems like its gotta leave something behind because of how strong it is.
I will be using this setup in class for note taking and feel comfortable leaving my notebook (real and electronic) at home now. (i will be using supernote).
Cannot comment on battery life, but it comes with a charging cable, and has nice sleep functions (sleeps BT after 1 minute of inactivity, and fires right back up with any keypress)
Over all keyboard solidity is great too. And the learning curve for typing on it is basically nonexistant (typed this whole review without hesitation or issue)
I am going to try and switch over to my phone to add some pictures, but let me know if you have any specific questions or want specific photos of anything.
All in all, i highly recommend it and would take it over anything else on the market right now for its sleakness.

Pictures

Woah very expensive, you could fine much cheaper bud and not sure if you were intentionally getting the 10inch tablet one but there are products that are for 7 inch tablets as well.
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Woah very expensive, you could fine much cheaper bud and not sure if you were intentionally getting the 10inch tablet one but there are products that are for 7 inch tablets as well.
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Wanted the larger keyboard and I figured I could buy this or the Logitech keyboard and be confident I was buying something nice and not super cheapo quality

that doesn't look strange or anything...................

wavrunrx said:
that doesn't look strange or anything...................
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LOL, in a strange way it reminds me of a Commodore Pet.

dsf3g said:
LOL, in a strange way it reminds me of a Commodore Pet.
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+1 to you good sir,
thanks for the laugh.

Speaker horn (or any other passive speaker device)?

I've noticed that speaker horns are pretty common and cheap for ipads/iphones but I can't seem to find any for the N7. My N7 is already loud enough but the tone can really vary based on how I've got it propped up.
Has anyone seen them for sale or know of a generic alternative?

Not seen one but it should be pretty easy to make one? I know that the sound improves markedly when I use my hand as a kind of speaker horn to guide the sound to the front.

Let's wait for some industrious N7 user to 3d print one up. Seems like a great idea.
Especially if it transforms the stereo speakers to work in landscape mode properly.

jptech said:
Let's wait for some industrious N7 user to 3d print one up. Seems like a great idea.
Especially if it transforms the stereo speakers to work in landscape mode properly.
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3d printer? nah. i'd try a pringles can first. saw it done somewhere with decent results.

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Not seen one but it should be pretty easy to make one? I know that the sound improves markedly when I use my hand as a kind of speaker horn to guide the sound to the front.
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Exactly. And seeing the popularity of the N7, I'm surprised no one has jumped on this yet when they're ubiquitous for Apple products.
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3d printer? nah. i'd try a pringles can first. saw it done somewhere with decent results.
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http://m.daytondailynews.com/news/lifestyles/diy-under-10-speaker-made-from-a-pringles-can/nS6ZK/
Something like this? It's okay, but the idea of the horn is portability. There are some horns that are actual stands but others are merely clip on devices.
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I made one for my old S2 on my CNC Router. I could easily make one for the N7.

r00t4rd3d said:
I made one for my old S2 on my CNC Router. I could easily make one for the N7.
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That actually looks great, but I'm thinking something smaller and portable. For example, this was on Shark Tank last week and got me thinking about the whole thing: thesoundbender.com . I've seen other "horns" that literally look like gramophones sticking out of the side, and there are a ton on ebay, so I'm surprised that even after the market has had several months to port things over to this tablet that nothing has come about.

Try looking on kickstarter, you're guaranteed to find a ridiculous amount of those and stupid iPhone cases and stands that all do the same thing.