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I've heard so many mixed perspectives.
The way I see it, S-OLED should be the best in the bunch.
Followed by OLED and then TFT..
I've heard about the nexus display looking "unnatural" from engadget, whatever that means..
Some people are saying that the upcoming sprint evo 4g has a brighter and simply better (4.3") screen.
Apart from the size, the screen technology is just TFT.
In the computer LCD world, i have heard more bad than good about TFT, so what's the deal?
Right now I have a 24" 1080p TFT LCD Monitor, and I think it's beautiful.
I haven't had much to compare it to though.
It's not the greatest screen I've seen, but it's definitely nice.
I have both an HD2 and a Nexus One. The HD2 has a 4.3" TFT display and looks gorgeous. It doesn't have a very defined pixel grid look that you can see if you stare at your Nexus One up close, so it looks more blended.
On the flip side, the Nexus One's vibrancy is hands down better. While watching movies on the HD2, I loved the size of the image, but to be honest, I prefer the color of the Nexus One's screen.
Outside in the sunlight, the HD2 wins. It still gets horrible glare, but no where near as bad as the Nexus One.
With all of that being said, I prefer the Nexus One's screen. Not going to talk about the size differences and their pros and cons, because that's a separate subject altogether. I'm mostly indoors for my job, and being a graphics designer, I enjoy the contrast that the OLED screen can deliver. It's not exactly color accurate, but since this is a phone and not being used as a design device, it doesn't matter...it looks gorgeous. So long as people don't appear as orange aliens, I enjoy the contrast. (Go stare at some of the TVs on display in major retail stores...they jack the contrast up to ridiculous levels to try to wow the viewer, but make things look downright stupid)
I see, that's pretty much like I expected.
The OLED displays will have a more pixel grid display because each pixel is actually a tiny LED. For me that's fine, as long as its not blatant.
So then the best choice would probably be AMOLED that's good in sunlight aka super amoled.
Have you tried playing with the brightness in the sunlight?
I haven't actually experienced an amoled screen yet, but i would think that if you turned the brightness up to max it would like quite okay in the sun.
At least that's how my G1 (TFT LCD) was.
Thanks for the input btw!
From the start I could not understand the positive voices for the AMOLED display. I had a Galaxy and I hated it. Now I have the Nexus and I hate the UNNATURAL colours. They are ghastly! If I had the choice between a Nexus with TFT or AMOLED screen I would certainly pick a TFT.
azalex86 said:
I have both an HD2 and a Nexus One. The HD2 has a 4.3" TFT display and looks gorgeous. It doesn't have a very defined pixel grid look that you can see if you stare at your Nexus One up close, so it looks more blended.
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isnt the supersonics screen a little brighter and more vibrant than the hd2? it sure seemed soo in the pictures and videos i saw
I have the two available high-end android devices - the Milestone (GSM version of the Droid, though with non-unlockable bootloader :-( ) and the Nexus One.
The 'stone has a 854x480 TFT, and the N1 has an 800x480 AMOLED.
Inside, the N1 screen wins - it is incredibly bright, less battery hungry, and has notably better contrast. The Milestone is good, but the N1 is better.
Another N1 advantage is that, even though both screens are 3.7 inches, the milestone is taller and narrower in portrait mode, making the portrait-mode keyboard harder to use for those of us with freakishly-large hands.
Outside, however, it just isn't even close. The Milestone is the best color screen I've ever seen on a large screen phone under bright light. It is absolutely usable in bright sunlight - you can take photos, check out a youtube video, read your RSS feeds, tweets, maps, whatever with absolutely no problem at all. The N1 is almost unusable in direct sunlight - there is just too much glare from the substrate and touch layers. And if you are also wearing sunglasses, forget it, you can't see a thing. Even an iPhone 3GS or iPod Touch (3rd gen) are mush less readable in bright conditions than the Milestone.
Samsung's new S-AMOLED is meant to bond the touch layer into the AMOLED surface directly, taking out a glare / difraction / etc. layer, and making the screen good in bright light. I have my doubts that it will be as good as a strong TFT in those conditions, but we'll see. It will certainly be thinner, better indoors and less power hungry
I don't have yet a N1 but I had the samsung Jet back in fall ,it had an amoled screen. It was quite good under sunlight,colors are washed out but you can clearly read SMS text or use the menu.
Now playing games in summer at the beach at 12am...forget about it and try take spy pics of string gurls with your 5mp
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I see, that's pretty much like I expected.
The OLED displays will have a more pixel grid display because each pixel is actually a tiny LED. For me that's fine, as long as its not blatant.
So then the best choice would probably be AMOLED that's good in sunlight aka super amoled.
Have you tried playing with the brightness in the sunlight?
I haven't actually experienced an amoled screen yet, but i would think that if you turned the brightness up to max it would like quite okay in the sun.
At least that's how my G1 (TFT LCD) was.
Thanks for the input btw!
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Yeah, even with the Nexus One set to 100%, the readability is around the HD2 with 50-60% brightness outside. Thankfully it is only a problem in direct sunlight.
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isnt the supersonics screen a little brighter and more vibrant than the hd2? it sure seemed soo in the pictures and videos i saw
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I believe they are the same screen in both devices, but could be wrong. We'll have to wait until they can do a proper side by side with the exact same lightness settings.
A 4.3" Super AMOLED screen would be nice. I would never buy a phone with a bigger display than that, because it would become uncomfortable to use, and at that point, you might as well just buy a tablet.
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From the start I could not understand the positive voices for the AMOLED display. I had a Galaxy and I hated it. Now I have the Nexus and I hate the UNNATURAL colours. They are ghastly! If I had the choice between a Nexus with TFT or AMOLED screen I would certainly pick a TFT.
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I would suggest you have a screen that is defective if it has really noticeable colour deviations.
Obviously it's not a properly colour calibrated display, but everything looks perfectly natural on mine (skin tones etc), with no significant over saturation or hue shifts.
yeah, I'm a big outdoor guy and not looking forward to dealing with this screen outdoors....sucks.
Whatever happened to transflective technology...loved that on my old tilt.
Guys, aren't there screen cover/protectors that deflect or whatever and that make the screen readable in sunlight?
thanks
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yeah, I'm a big outdoor guy and not looking forward to dealing with this screen outdoors....sucks.
Whatever happened to transflective technology...loved that on my old tilt.
Guys, aren't there screen cover/protectors that deflect or whatever and that make the screen readable in sunlight?
thanks
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There are anti-glare protectors that help eliminate some of the glare by dispursing it better, but even then it's still pretty bad. The main issue is due to having no backlight like a TFT.
GlenH said:
I would suggest you have a screen that is defective if it has really noticeable colour deviations.
Obviously it's not a properly colour calibrated display, but everything looks perfectly natural on mine (skin tones etc), with no significant over saturation or hue shifts.
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No, there is nothing wrong with the colour calibration. Girlfriend has also got a Nexus and I have seen others and even on photos here on the internet you can see the unnatural colours of the screen.
Have a look at the first post where you can find the question, if it were true that the colours are unnatural referring to Engadget. And yes, the colours are unnatural. I like the Nexus, do not get me wrong, but I do not like the colours of AMOLED screens. They are awful.
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yeah, I'm a big outdoor guy and not looking forward to dealing with this screen outdoors....sucks.
Whatever happened to transflective technology...loved that on my old tilt.
Guys, aren't there screen cover/protectors that deflect or whatever and that make the screen readable in sunlight?
thanks
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There are definitely protectors that do that, but I don't like the feel of anything but glass on a touch screen.. That's just me though.
Hey I noticed in your sig that you have an iphone and nexus, how would you compare the two? The screen and everything else (you should make another thread for that though).
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Yeah, even with the Nexus One set to 100%, the readability is around the HD2 with 50-60% brightness outside. Thankfully it is only a problem in direct sunlight.
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Damn that's pretty bad, cause with the TFT on my G1 I always had to turn it up to max to get a decent display.
So assuming the HD2 is similar (same technology), then AMOLED must be pretty bad in sunlight.
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I don't have yet a N1 but I had the samsung Jet back in fall ,it had an amoled screen. It was quite good under sunlight,colors are washed out but you can clearly read SMS text or use the menu.
Now playing games in summer at the beach at 12am...forget about it and try take spy pics of string gurls with your 5mp
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Lol, spy pics.
big_adventure said:
I have the two available high-end android devices - the Milestone (GSM version of the Droid, though with non-unlockable bootloader :-( ) and the Nexus One.
The 'stone has a 854x480 TFT, and the N1 has an 800x480 AMOLED.
Inside, the N1 screen wins - it is incredibly bright, less battery hungry, and has notably better contrast. The Milestone is good, but the N1 is better.
Another N1 advantage is that, even though both screens are 3.7 inches, the milestone is taller and narrower in portrait mode, making the portrait-mode keyboard harder to use for those of us with freakishly-large hands.
Outside, however, it just isn't even close. The Milestone is the best color screen I've ever seen on a large screen phone under bright light. It is absolutely usable in bright sunlight - you can take photos, check out a youtube video, read your RSS feeds, tweets, maps, whatever with absolutely no problem at all. The N1 is almost unusable in direct sunlight - there is just too much glare from the substrate and touch layers. And if you are also wearing sunglasses, forget it, you can't see a thing. Even an iPhone 3GS or iPod Touch (3rd gen) are mush less readable in bright conditions than the Milestone.
Samsung's new S-AMOLED is meant to bond the touch layer into the AMOLED surface directly, taking out a glare / difraction / etc. layer, and making the screen good in bright light. I have my doubts that it will be as good as a strong TFT in those conditions, but we'll see. It will certainly be thinner, better indoors and less power hungry
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I know the AMOLED's are pretty great indoors, but when you say incredibly bright... If viewing late at night in bed for example, is it too bright even on the lowest setting?
I'd like a phone that can be very dim or very bright.
Settembrini said:
From the start I could not understand the positive voices for the AMOLED display. I had a Galaxy and I hated it. Now I have the Nexus and I hate the UNNATURAL colours. They are ghastly! If I had the choice between a Nexus with TFT or AMOLED screen I would certainly pick a TFT.
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Have you compared side-by-side? I can't believe that they're THAT bad.
@topdnbass
Have you compared side-by-side? I can't believe that they're THAT bad.
Yes, I have. I do it all the time, as I have still a G1 to compare the Nexus with. If it is "THAT bad" I can't say only that I do not like it and that I would certainly prefer a TFT if had the choice.
Why do you think did the guys from Engadget think the colours to be "unnatural"?
In the end it might not matter that much as it doesn't reduce the functions of the gadget. Other people might even like it, I do not.
S.
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@topdnbass
Have you compared side-by-side? I can't believe that they're THAT bad.
Yes, I have. I do it all the time, as I have still a G1 to compare the Nexus with. If it is "THAT bad" I can't say only that I do not like it and that I would certainly prefer a TFT if had the choice.
Why do you think did the guys from Engadget think the colours to be "unnatural"?
In the end it might not matter that much as it doesn't reduce the functions of the gadget. Other people might even like it, I do not.
S.
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i personally love it..the colors pop out they look gorgeous
Compared to TFT capacitive screens Amoled are less good under sunlight but they are still usable and certainly much more than HTC WM phones like Diamond and Touch HD
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@topdnbass
Have you compared side-by-side? I can't believe that they're THAT bad.
Yes, I have. I do it all the time, as I have still a G1 to compare the Nexus with. If it is "THAT bad" I can't say only that I do not like it and that I would certainly prefer a TFT if had the choice.
Why do you think did the guys from Engadget think the colours to be "unnatural"?
In the end it might not matter that much as it doesn't reduce the functions of the gadget. Other people might even like it, I do not.
S.
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You seem to put a lot of faith in what Engadget says. I'm not saying that everything is perfectly flat, but I have a few hundred perfectly-exposed photos from my Nikon D90, all taken with pro glass, on my Nexus, and the colors are not bad at all. They are, well, let's call them "well saturated", but nothing remotely unpleasant - to be honest, given the tiny screen (I take photos be be blown up BIG), the saturation is probably an advantage. And they look notably, even considerably better on the N1 than on an iPhone / iPod touch third-gen.
All of that is my opinion - and I like saturated colors. But I also like skin that still looks like skin, and the N1 delivers that to my eyes.
Gee, didn't I say that it is my opinion and that others might think differently? What you call saturated colours I call unnatural and for me and maybe only for me the colours are an eyesore, but I like the Nexus nevertheless.
big_adventure, you gave me a thought.
I think the best way to really compare these technologies is to have the same image of something, like a HQ picture of your skin.
On both of the phones.
Then compare the output to eachother and to the real life color of your skin.
I said to compare to eachother because a cameras snapshot can change the color, flash, settings, and what not.
Sounds stupid, but maybe what some people define as unnatural on a display, is actually quite natural.
Don't compare how the android OS looks, compare an image within the OS.
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Now playing games in summer at the beach at 12am...forget about it and try take spy pics of string gurls with your 5mp
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Well, if you are going to be wandering around a beach at midnight you probably won't run into too many girls to take pictures of. And they'd probably notice the flash going off so it wouldn't be much of a "spy shot".
(Edit: To be fair, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/12-hour_clock#Confusion_at_noon_and_midnight mentions that am/pm by definition don't make any sense for noon and midnight and are thus often confused. But, the sources it quotes that do assign meaning to 12am and 12pm all seem to call 12am midnight and 12pm noon. It's probably why most of the parking signs in SF are now starting to use "12:01am" when they want to talk about late night street cleaning restrictions...that, and the fact that 12am is also ambiguous as to whether it refers to the start of a day or the end of a day...)
Ok so I was about 98% set on purchasing the G2x/O2x but then realized it had a WVGA screen. Isnt that outdated?
I really liked the Galaxy S and above because of the SUPER AMOLED. I have an MP3 player with that screen (Cowon) and its great looking.
I am looking for comparison, if WVGA is fine and bright, perhaps comparison in sunlight, etc. I thought AMOLED was the next big thing and all phones would have it.
WVGA is the screen size, mate. It means 800x480.
For the screen, yes, it is not AMOLED which is brilliant to display black color but poor in direct sunlight. It is supposedly more engergy saving (but then you need to increase the brightness in sunlight)
The TFT IPS LCD that Optimus 2X has is very good indeed in my opinion.
Personally i prefer the screen on the O2X, i don't like the colors on the Amoled, not realistic at all
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The IPS screen on O2x are brighter, sharper and with better colours than Amoled - its also better in the sun and have as good viewing angles as Amoled. The only thing where Amoled are slightly better is pure black. It's the same type of screen as the Iphone4 (actually its LG that manufactures the screen for Iphone4 to Apple) - except the Iphone4 screen has higher resolution.
You wont be disappointed about the screen on the O2x - it is very good.
Mate. LG screen clarity is outstanding, sunlight, clublighting, office home you name it. I run it with auto off and at approximately 20%. So brighter is available.
You will not be disappointed.
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Thank you for all the responses and clearing up. I was lookiing everywhere for the info on what the screen was, it was strange because one site just said "WVGA" for g2x and the galaxy it said AMOLED so I wasn't sure.
G2x is now still at the top of my list =) I am deciding between this and when the Galaxy S II comes out, seems like slightly better hardware, but dont know other details
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WVGA is the screen size, mate. It means 800x480.
For the screen, yes, it is not AMOLED which is brilliant to display black color but poor in direct sunlight. It is supposedly more engergy saving (but then you need to increase the brightness in sunlight)
The TFT IPS LCD that Optimus 2X has is very good indeed in my opinion.
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Indeed and amazing better as the Amoled from my HTC Desire S only the black isn't pure black in some cases but hence the vivid colors and the overall screen make up for it big time
mandude said:
I really liked the Galaxy S and above because of the SUPER AMOLED. I have an MP3 player with that screen (Cowon) and its great looking.
I am looking for comparison, if [LCD] is fine and bright, perhaps comparison in sunlight, etc. I thought AMOLED was the next big thing and all phones would have it.
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I came from the Galaxy S to the OP2X, so I can report for you
The Super AMOLED of the Galaxy S is nothing short of glorious. Even though it uses a "pentile grid" subpixel layout, it's crisp and bright. It's even readable in daylight.
Coming the the OP2X and its TFT LCD, I was very pleasantly surprised. The screen has great viewing angles and almost no colour warping at high angles. The blacks are really deep, so the contrast ratio is much better than I was expecting. If I hadn't experienced the SGS screen first, I'd be utterly in love with the OP2X screen. As it is, I'm 'merely' very happy with it
Having spent 4 days using an S-LCD Nexus S, then going back to my AMOLED Nexus One, I can say that the S-LCD is miles sharper than the AMOLED. OK so you do lose out on a bit of black, but not being Pentile does make up for it.
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I came from the Galaxy S to the OP2X, so I can report for you
The Super AMOLED of the Galaxy S is nothing short of glorious. Even though it uses a "pentile grid" subpixel layout, it's crisp and bright. It's even readable in daylight.
Coming the the OP2X and its TFT LCD, I was very pleasantly surprised. The screen has great viewing angles and almost no colour warping at high angles. The blacks are really deep, so the contrast ratio is much better than I was expecting. If I hadn't experienced the SGS screen first, I'd be utterly in love with the OP2X screen. As it is, I'm 'merely' very happy with it
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Thanks, a viewpoint I was looking for =) I guess that eases me. Yeah I was concerned about the viewing angles, crisp of the colors and daylight viewing.
Do yourself a favour and go somewhere where you can look at the O2x screen live - anyone having concerns about the screen should do that - and be pleasently surprised
It really is very good - high contrast, high brightness, excellent colours with no banding, excellent deep blacks (for an LCD), good viewing angles etc. - viewing pictures of real life scenarios on the screen is a treat.
It actually makes my Desire Amoled screen look slightly dull
I sit on a bus and can read just fine. And its been really sunny where i am at the mo.
This screen is fantastic compared to my HTC Hero lol!!
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The screen is really nice. Im very convinced, also in bright sunlight I can read the screen well enough.
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LCD vs OLED
I wish people would just stop using 3-4 letter abbreviations for screen resolutions. In the early days (80s and 90s) there only were a few of these abbreviations and they signified a lot more than just resolution, like color depth and graphics capabilities, but now they're just confusing. Why not just put the two numbers and save everyone the trouble of having to google what WXSDHDGA (don't bother, I just made it up ... at least, I hope so) is supposed to be.
Back on topic.
OLED
Black is really, totally black. The contrast ratio is technically infinite, but that isn't just a good thing, as it hurts my eyes in the dark. It's a bit like staring at a television in a pitch black room.
Colors are more vivid (read: oversaturated). Most people love that but to me it just looks unnatural. Like kid's toys.
The pixels will degrade rather quickly and lose brightness in the process. Since each primary color ages at a different rate your color balance will shift. You should be good for 2-3 years, though.
As long as the image displayed is mostly black or dark, it'll use less power than LCD, on bright images a lot more. Setting your background to pitch-black is a real power-saver on these devices.
Most OLED displays currently on the market use something called a PenTile matrix (see http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/news...exus-ones-screen-science-color-and-hacks.ars/ or just google it), where each pixel only has 2 subpixels instead of 3. As a result pixels cannot independently display every color but need to work together with adjacent ones, which reduces the effective resolution of the display by at least 1/3. Photos and Videos still look fine, but text gets ragged colored edges and is a lot harder to read than on an LCD.
Handsets with OLED+PenTile matrix, f. ex.: Samsung Galaxy S, Nexus One
Handsets with OLED+full matrix, f. ex.: HTC Legend, Samsung Galaxy S2
LCD
You won't get black, only dark gray, because light emitted from the backlight can't be perfectly masked. As long as the display is on it will emit light.
Power usage is just dependent on the brightness setting, not on the content displayed.
AFAIK all current LCD displays have a full subpixel matrix
A lot of the rest, like color, viewing angles etc. depends on the panel type used. Usually that's TFT, which is kind of meh, the premium choice is IPS (iPhone 4 and some LG phones, like most (all?) 2x variants).
The choice between a (full matrix) OLED screen and an IPS LCD is a matter of personal choice, if you can't get either, get a TFT LCD. Personally I'd never buy anything with PenTile, but, well, some people like it so YMMV.
Going by my preferences and specs alone, the iPhone 4 currently has the best mobile display, followed by the LG Optimus Black / Speed (2x). Since I don't like iOS that would make the 2x the handset of choice, if I needed a new one right now. As it is, I'll wait for the SGS2 and see how that stacks up, first.
I'm brand new to the world of Smartphones, and hence don't have much perspective, but I DO have direct experience comparing the 2 types.
I started last week with a Samsung Galaxy S 4G with the SAMOLED(+?) screen. The screen on the Samsung was very, very nice. As others have said, the blacks are TRUE black and hence everything tends to "pop" more. Think of it kinda like a plasma vs an LCD HDTV. Plasma blacks just can't be beaten by an LCD.
I moved to the G2X two days ago, mostly because I decided I wanted as close to a stock Android experience as possible AND a more future-proof dual core phone. I have NO complaints about the screen on the G2X. Sure, the blacks aren't quite as black, but the colors look great, it's bright and readable, and I don't use a black background anyway. As an added bonus, it is MUCH easier to read in sunlight than the SAMOLED was on the Galaxy.
Just got mine today. Nice phone, but the screen.....
The top left and right corners of the screen have a small white glow, the same as some lcd tv's had in the beginning. So the "color" black isn't covering my whole screen....
This is NOT my phone, but just to show you where the glowing parts are.
Mate, isn't that the lg notification bar? I've heard about some people having backlight problems though, but than it is your phone
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Mate, isn't that the lg notification bar? I've heard about some people having backlight problems though, but than it is your phone
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Nope it isn't the bar . Already called with the vip service of LG, and I will get a new phone next week
Best service ever!!!!!
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Having spent 4 days using an S-LCD Nexus S, then going back to my AMOLED Nexus One, I can say that the S-LCD is miles sharper than the AMOLED. OK so you do lose out on a bit of black, but not being Pentile does make up for it.
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The UK Nexus S isn't S-LCD, it is S-AMOLED.
The i9023 is sold here and is S-LCD, we get the i9020 as well though.
I got my Nexus 7 today (ordered it the 27th for those interested). Still setting it up and getting used to it, but....
I have to admit that I am not impressed with the screen, almost embarrassed to show the "flagship" of Google to any Apple fans. I realize that having 720p on my G-Nex and 720p on the Nexus 7 with it's larger screen will put the N7 at a disadvantage, but I guess I was shocked at how noticeable it was. Fonts in particular are pixely and faded looking in comparison to the rich blacks on the Gnex.
The other problem of the N7 vs Gnex screens is the white balance, contrast, and saturation setting appear to vastly different. I think the white balance is probably more true to life on the N7, but the colors are just not as vivid as I would like to see. The blacks look grey in comparison to the Gnex.
As a couch surfing, digital mag reading, picture reviewing (using eyefi card) device for me, this is quite a bummer.
Guess I just have to hope for a Nexus 10 with uber resolution.
And you do realize the base price is 199.......
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What is this, the 5th thread about complaining about the screen? It's $200-250, people!
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I got my Nexus 7 today (ordered it the 27th for those interested). Still setting it up and getting used to it, but....
I have to admit that I am not impressed with the screen, almost embarrassed to show the "flagship" of Google to any Apple fans. I realize that having 720p on my G-Nex and 720p on the Nexus 7 with it's larger screen will put the N7 at a disadvantage, but I guess I was shocked at how noticeable it was. Fonts in particular are pixely and faded looking in comparison to the rich blacks on the Gnex.
The other problem of the N7 vs Gnex screens is the white balance, contrast, and saturation setting appear to vastly different. I think the white balance is probably more true to life on the N7, but the colors are just not as vivid as I would like to see. The blacks look grey in comparison to the Gnex.
As a couch surfing, digital mag reading, picture reviewing (using eyefi card) device for me, this is quite a bummer.
Guess I just have to hope for a Nexus 10 with uber resolution.
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When I first received my N7 i was feeling the same way. Mines looked washed out but after a couple of hours of using the screen looks better. I know, weird
Bhatch said:
I got my Nexus 7 today (ordered it the 27th for those interested). Still setting it up and getting used to it, but....
I have to admit that I am not impressed with the screen, almost embarrassed to show the "flagship" of Google to any Apple fans. I realize that having 720p on my G-Nex and 720p on the Nexus 7 with it's larger screen will put the N7 at a disadvantage, but I guess I was shocked at how noticeable it was. Fonts in particular are pixely and faded looking in comparison to the rich blacks on the Gnex.
The other problem of the N7 vs Gnex screens is the white balance, contrast, and saturation setting appear to vastly different. I think the white balance is probably more true to life on the N7, but the colors are just not as vivid as I would like to see. The blacks look grey in comparison to the Gnex.
As a couch surfing, digital mag reading, picture reviewing (using eyefi card) device for me, this is quite a bummer.
Guess I just have to hope for a Nexus 10 with uber resolution.
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What did you HONESTLY expect for the $199-$249.00 price?
I like the screen. HIgh PPI, it's wonderful for reading and very comfortable to look at.
Tell Apple homies that the screen is double retina. They can't tell.
Also, no issues with the screen here.
I'm with the OP...after reading all of the praise from the reviews I guess I just expected better. Its fine...certainly better than my Galaxy Tab Plus 7.0 but not in the same stratosphere as my Galaxy Nexus...Galaxy S3...or of course my iPad 3. I really only bought it to hack and play a few games and read a few books so its not that big of a deal but I guess the hype got the best of me. Oh well. You guys are right...250 bucks.
Well sure it's not deep black when screen on N7 is LCD, the one on Gnex is Super Amoled that is different.
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I feel the same way about the display but then I remember I could have bought 2 or so of the N7s. I am very satisfied. I don't like the chrome browser because I can't yet get it to work the way I want, I can't set the home page or auto clear cache
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I got my Nexus 7 today (ordered it the 27th for those interested). Still setting it up and getting used to it, but....
I have to admit that I am not impressed with the screen, almost embarrassed to show the "flagship" of Google to any Apple fans. I realize that having 720p on my G-Nex and 720p on the Nexus 7 with it's larger screen will put the N7 at a disadvantage, but I guess I was shocked at how noticeable it was. Fonts in particular are pixely and faded looking in comparison to the rich blacks on the Gnex.
The other problem of the N7 vs Gnex screens is the white balance, contrast, and saturation setting appear to vastly different. I think the white balance is probably more true to life on the N7, but the colors are just not as vivid as I would like to see. The blacks look grey in comparison to the Gnex.
As a couch surfing, digital mag reading, picture reviewing (using eyefi card) device for me, this is quite a bummer.
Guess I just have to hope for a Nexus 10 with uber resolution.
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You also have to understand that you are comparing an IPS LCD panel to Super AMOLED. AMOLED displays are know for their over-the-top contrast and very high color saturation, producing extremely deep blacks, yet as some say "very unrealistic colors".
You should not be too embarrassed. The Nexus 7 has a higher PPI than the majority of tablets out there, higher than both previous generations iPads. Though, it cannot be compared to the high PPI of the high-end Android devices of today. It is quite odd for you to have expected this to be comparable to these devices. Before purchasing this device, I'm sure you should have noticed that it had a mere 216 ppi compared to the 316 on your Galaxy Nexus.
It does look a bit washed out, but overall I'm really happy with the device as a whole.
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You also have to understand that you are comparing an IPS LCD panel to Super AMOLED. AMOLED displays are know for their over-the-top contrast and very high color saturation, producing extremely deep blacks, yet as some say "very unrealistic colors".
You should not be too embarrassed. The Nexus 7 has a higher PPI than the majority of tablets out there, higher than both previous generations iPads. Though, it cannot be compared to the high PPI of the high-end Android devices of today. It is quite odd for you to have expected this to be comparable to these devices. Before purchasing this device, I'm sure you should have noticed that it had a mere 216 ppi compared to the 316 on your Galaxy Nexus.
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Completely correct here. It's the differing technologies.
It may look a bit washed out, but the resolution is pretty good imo. I'm coming from a Nook Tablet though, not an iPad.
lol. You can't blame the OP for noticing. I have a S II and it is obviously superb in screen quality but I don't care cause the Nexus 7 is just that badass.
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Definitely getting used to it, but it would be nice if the two devices matched white balance a bit more, kinda weird going back and forth. I have three monitors at work and they had different whites for awhile and it would screw with my eyes. It was nice once I got them dialed into match a bit more.
My biggest issue with pixels was the font's and for some reason they look fine in Maps, but in Gmail they look a bit grey and pixely.
After a day of comparing Gnex to N7 I kinda wish could blend the screens together so they were both somewhere in the middle color wise. Little more color and black on the N7 and perhaps a touch less saturation on the Gnex, but leave the black as is. The blacks on the Gnex are awesome.
Happy with the device overall, but I'll keep this thread purely about the screen.
i took my chevy malibu back to the dealer because it didnt drive like my last GT2 porche.
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i took my chevy malibu back to the dealer because it didnt drive like my last GT2 porche.
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lol. Nice example. Did the Malibu not have extreme acceleration?
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i took my chevy malibu back to the dealer because it didnt drive like my last GT2 porche.
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op.. sorry but you still don't seem to understand the difference between super amoled and IPS. they each have their advantages and sometimes it comes down to preference. The important thing is to know what you're getting into as a consumer. now it's clear you prefer the high saturation of amoled. so do I (have a gnex as well). As others already mentioned, there is also a significant difference in ppi and price of the two devices. it's up to you to determine the balance of price vs features that suit your needs/preferences. Most people will agree that for this price range, it's hard to beat and is actually quite impressive.
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Funny, my reaction was just the opposite. for $250 it was much better than I expected.
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I've been objectively comparing the display on the Nexus 4 and Nexus 5 side by side and really question why we have 1080P screens on such small displays. Are we all so gullible we take in the marketing and believe more must be better?
Ignoring any arguments about better colors or contrast between the two phones, which have nothing to do with resolution, and that in my case the Nexus 4 looks little different from the Nexus 5 in color and contrast anyway, what about differences the extra resolution and slightly larger diagonal make?
Personally, I fail to see any differences in day to day use, even looking close up everything looks equal on both displays. Yes if I look very closely, closer than I would ever use the device in day to day use, I can just make out the pixel structure on the Nexus 4 where on the Nexus 5 I can't.
So what about the larger screen size? Well we get an extra 6mm approximately in height on the Nexus 5, the width is the same. This extra height has nothing to do with the greater resolution, but is caused by using non-square pixels on the Nexus 4. The aspect ratio of these displays should be 1.777 (1920/1080 or 1280/720 is 1.777). The Nexus 4 aspect ratio is 1.64, so was squashed vertically, the Nexus 5 is 1.78 so the correct aspect ratio. All they have done with the Nexus 5 is given it the correct aspect ratio, hence the extra 6mm in height and the resulting slightly larger diagonal. This could equally have been achieved using 1280x720.
Because we haven't really got a bigger display in the Nexus 5, just a correction of the aspect ratio (hence the width is the same on both), the screen doesn't really show any more information than the Nexus 4. As the display is now thinner compared to the Nexus 4 and due to the Nexus 5 setup, web pages with text will often wrap to the next line sooner than on the Nexus 4, so ironically with the Nexus 5 you may have less shown vertically than the Nexus 4. Sometimes other webpages will suit the taller Nexus 5 a bit better so you get a bit more in, overall though, it's swings and roundabouts.
What 1080P does provide is a faster draining battery as the back light needs to be more powerful to give the same visible brightness than a lower resolution display, and the graphics processor also needs to work much harder with all those extra pixels draining even more battery, that is never good in a phone. Wouldn't it be preferable for a 720P display that is less battery hungry and the R&D invested in better image quality rather than more pixels we can barely discern in such a small area?
So to sum up, what we have here in my opinion is just marketing. LCD phone panels are suffering the same marketing as mega pixels in cameras. Because the manufactures can provide LCD panels with ever growing pixel densities without too much extra cost, they are doing, as bigger numbers sell better and encourage us to replace perfectly good devices.
So for anyone considering the Nexus 5 to replace the Nexus 4 because they consider the larger screen will make the phone better to use for reading web pages etc, after all, the numbers of 1920x1080 compared to 1280x720 are compelling, in reality I'm not sure many people will notice a difference.
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Phil
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Why 1080P on a 5" LCD panel?
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Simple: because we can.
And within 2 years we'll see 4K resolutions on such small panels as well so this is just scratching the surface (no pun intended) of hand-held touch-operated display technologies.
The only thing I could practically see as useful is being able to display more content on the screen due to DPI scaling. Even still, I don't think it would be significant enough for the tradeoff of battery drain. And it is less than ideal managing a lot of content on such a small screen.
Maybe as video resolution increases, the displays will be able to offer a slight benefit with a higher resolution (beyond 1080p), however pointless it may be. Perhaps phones with video output could benefit by having a higher resolution being able to be displayed on a much larger screen? I am not sure if this is software or hardware dependent so it could be a null point.
Other than that, I suppose they are available because it is possible. As technology advances, more powerful hardware is needed to support/benefit from it and innovation and all that stuff follows leading to more advanced technology.
So if we do end up going beyond 1080p for phones, there is a chance that it will require other related resources to improve in order for it to be useful. I could see breakthroughs in battery life or efficiency being made to support whatever ridiculous and unnecessary resolution display that may be created.
Sorry if what I said irks anybody for whatever reason, just my opinion of the current situation with phones and HD displays so let's all just be happy
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I personally think it's noticeably sharper than my Nexus 4
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Just because you can't notice a difference does not mean you can speak for everyone.
5" is the borderline between 720p and 1080p. You can definitely notice the difference at 5.3", 5.5", 5.7", 6" etc., and most of us can see, albeit barely, the difference at 5", so why not get the 1080p goodie?
There are at least 2 benefits: subpixels are much more crowded so there are smaller gaps between them making a larger % of the screen covered (it makes a big difference!), plus no matter if you actually notice the difference, sharper image and more detailed text is more relaxing for your eyes to read.
I guess we could live with a 5" 720p screen, but the good news is: whatever technology debuted some 6 months ago, the Nexus line-up will get it for cheap. So the question is not why 1080p on a 5" LCD panel... but why not?
Because the 720p is awful right now I'll see the difference in a lot of things. Like images, text, internet pages, icons.
I thought the same thing at first, but looking at the screen, it's much sharper than the Nexus 4, especially when it comes to reading. The new thing roboto font complements the resolution perfectly.
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5" is the borderline between 720p and 1080p. You can definitely notice the difference at 5.3", 5.5", 5.7", 6" etc., and most of us can see, albeit barely, the difference at 5", so why not get the 1080p goodie?
There are at least 2 benefits: subpixels are much more crowded so there are smaller gaps between them making a larger % of the screen covered (it makes a big difference!), plus no matter if you actually notice the difference, sharper image and more detailed text is more relaxing for your eyes to read.
I guess we could live with a 5" 720p screen, but the good news is: whatever technology debuted some 6 months ago, the Nexus line-up will get it for cheap. So the question is not why 1080p on a 5" LCD panel... but why not?
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The "why not", is fairly easy, battery life. As you said the difference in quality is borderline. All of those saying there is a massive difference, well science disagrees with you. What your eye can actually see is defined for the standard 20/20 vision. There is a definitely "shinny new" element, which in many does overpower the science behind what and eye can actually see. It's sort of the same argument for 4k TVs. View distance is key in both.
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The "why not", is fairly easy, battery life. As you said the difference in quality is borderline. All of those saying there is a massive difference, well science disagrees with you. What your eye can actually see is defined for the standard 20/20 vision. There is a definitely "shinny new" element, which in many does overpower the science behind what and eye can actually see. It's sort of the same argument for 4k TVs. View distance is key in both.
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Experience very much shows that higher resolution screen does NOT result in higher battery drain. Relative to battery capacity, the Galaxy S4's bigger and higher res screen is far more efficient that the S3's, same goes for the HTC One to One X, LG G2 to Optimus G, and the Nexus 5 does better video playback than the Nexus 4 as well (this is the least CPU-dependant testing that tells the most about the screen). This is because like SoCs, AMOLED and LCD technology also evolved in efficiency.
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Experience very much shows that higher resolution screen does NOT result in higher battery drain. Relative to battery capacity, the Galaxy S4's bigger and higher res screen is far more efficient that the S3's, same goes for the HTC One to One X, LG G2 to Optimus G, and the Nexus 5 does better video playback than the Nexus 4 as well (this is the least CPU-dependant testing that tells the most about the screen). This is because like SoCs, AMOLED and LCD technology also evolved in efficiency.
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agreed, technology has evolved and become more efficient, but that does not address the power needs of the same gen tech when looking at 720p vs 1080p, nor viewing distances.
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5" is the borderline between 720p and 1080p. You can definitely notice the difference at 5.3", 5.5", 5.7", 6" etc., and most of us can see, albeit barely, the difference at 5", so why not get the 1080p goodie?
There are at least 2 benefits: subpixels are much more crowded so there are smaller gaps between them making a larger % of the screen covered (it makes a big difference!), plus no matter if you actually notice the difference, sharper image and more detailed text is more relaxing for your eyes to read.
I guess we could live with a 5" 720p screen, but the good news is: whatever technology debuted some 6 months ago, the Nexus line-up will get it for cheap. So the question is not why 1080p on a 5" LCD panel... but why not?
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Why not get a 1080P panel, battery life perhaps and better quality 720P? The problem with all those pixels is you have loads of extra transistors and wiring on the display, all that means less of the display is being used to transmit light. If they take the same lithography, i.e. smaller transistors and wires that are required to pack in 1920x1080 to a 5" inch display to a 720P 5" panel, so no gaps and more screen area transmissible to light, it would use less power to back light than 720P displays have used before and would look better and brighter for less battery power than an equivalent 1080P display.
Of course we will get 2k displays or even 4k displays on 5" diagonals, then what will happen is what is happening to mobile phone cameras, it will come a point where they can't add any more pixels (with mobile phone cameras they are down to only measuring a few photons at at time in each pixel hence you get very noisy pictures in poor light), so the next marketing trick to sell to us will be as HTC have done with their cameras, reduce the numbers then tell us that the lower number of pixels were all along better.
By the time most people have covered the display with smudges and dust during normal day to day use, they are not going to notice the difference between a 5" display at 720p and 1080p at normal viewing distances. I've had friends fail to notice the difference between 720P and 1080P on the Nexus 7 with a 7" display let alone a 5" one. One friend actually preferred the 720P panel as he said text looked more like a good computer monitor display and was easier to read!
Don't get me wrong I like the Nexus 5, but think it would have been better with longer battery life and a brighter and better display that would have been available using the same new LCD technology but in a 720P panel. This would also give better manufacturing yields, and so reduce the price of display, with the savings going towards better calibration and consistent displays between devices. There is already a thread about poor quality control with very warm yellow displays on some Nexus 5's yet another Nexus 5 sat next to it is bright white looking completely difference. So much for the benefits of 1080P when no two phones are guaranteed to look the same.
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Phil
Today's 1080 smartphone displays typically use less power overall than the last generation models with 720 displays, believe it or not. Note when I'm saying this I'm leaning more towards the actual display tech itself and not the backlight: when you account for the power requirements of the panel itself (not counting the draw from the backlight) the 1080 panel on the Nexus 5 pulls less current than the 720 on the Nexus 4 (which is more accurately 1280x768 so it's technically a bit more pixels)
The backlight remains the largest draw of current in a smartphone today in typical usage - it's only when you begin to max out the CPU+GPU at the same time will that really begin to sway favor away from the backlight itself.
If I honestly had my choice, I'd have SuperAMOLED(+) tech in every device but the issue there is a) it tends to wash out in direct sunlight (not that I can't cover the device with my hand or something and see it and b) AMOLED dies over time since the organic aspects literally just wear out.
LCDs are still pretty nice in my opinion, and they get the job done just fine, but it sure would be nice to find a way to do a proper backlight that actually get the job done without that massive power requirement that remains attached to that technology even today.
Also, 720p and 1080p are technically video formats, but people just keep right on referring to them as resolutions...
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Why not get a 1080P panel, battery life perhaps and better quality 720P? The problem with all those pixels is you have loads of extra transistors and wiring on the display, all that means less of the display is being used to transmit light. If they take the same lithography, i.e. smaller transistors and wires that are required to pack in 1920x1080 to a 5" inch display to a 720P 5" panel, so no gaps and more screen area transmissible to light, it would use less power to back light than 720P displays have used before and would look better and brighter for less battery power than an equivalent 1080P display.
Of course we will get 2k displays or even 4k displays on 5" diagonals, then what will happen is what is happening to mobile phone cameras, it will come a point where they can't add any more pixels (with mobile phone cameras they are down to only measuring a few photons at at time in each pixel hence you get very noisy pictures in poor light), so the next marketing trick to sell to us will be as HTC have done with their cameras, reduce the numbers then tell us that the lower number of pixels were all along better.
By the time most people have covered the display with smudges and dust during normal day to day use, they are not going to notice the difference between a 5" display at 720p and 1080p at normal viewing distances. I've had friends fail to notice the difference between 720P and 1080P on the Nexus 7 with a 7" display let alone a 5" one. One friend actually preferred the 720P panel as he said text looked more like a good computer monitor display and was easier to read!
Don't get me wrong I like the Nexus 5, but think it would have been better with longer battery life and a brighter and better display that would have been available using the same new LCD technology but in a 720P panel. This would also give better manufacturing yields, and so reduce the price of display, with the savings going towards better calibration and consistent displays between devices. There is already a thread about poor quality control with very warm yellow displays on some Nexus 5's yet another Nexus 5 sat next to it is bright white looking completely difference. So much for the benefits of 1080P when no two phones are guaranteed to look the same.
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Phil
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Read my post above. The Nexus 5 screen is not just higher res, it's brighter, more accurate AND more efficient, therefore it's clearly producing better user experience. Your friend has his opinion, but he'll find very few he'd agree that the Nexus 4's 720p screen beats the Nexus 5's 1080p, and that's the comparison that matters since the 5 is replacing the 4.
The Nexus 5's battery problem comes from the battery itself: at an ever so slightly thicker frame the G2 and Droid MAXX managed to pack in 3000mAh+, too bad Google didn't go for that. But the 5 has still better battery life than the 4, and the 1080p still has better efficiency.
Also, are you really complaining about the price of the 1080p display... on a $350 high-end flagship phone?
because 'murica
thats all, we dont need more than 720p in less than 7", its inperceptible.. but yes we can.
Most people got the phone for the Qualcomm 800 CPU. What does this do? It measures the amount of energy the phone is asking for and makes it as efficient as possible for the phone. Works similarly then you see in a V-Tec or Eco-tec transmission in cars. Also, you gave a lot of opinions in your post, when, you said it would be purely objective. That would make it subjective. *note I didn't say purely subjective, because you did put in some data (objective) results.
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PhilipL said:
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I've been objectively comparing the display on the Nexus 4 and Nexus 5 side by side and really question why we have 1080P screens on such small displays. Are we all so gullible we take in the marketing and believe more must be better?
Ignoring any arguments about better colors or contrast between the two phones, which have nothing to do with resolution, and that in my case the Nexus 4 looks little different from the Nexus 5 in color and contrast anyway, what about differences the extra resolution and slightly larger diagonal make?
Personally, I fail to see any differences in day to day use, even looking close up everything looks equal on both displays. Yes if I look very closely, closer than I would ever use the device in day to day use, I can just make out the pixel structure on the Nexus 4 where on the Nexus 5 I can't.
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You can kid yourself but I regularly see substantial difference between the N5's 1080p and my GNex's 720p display and the GNex display is about the same as the Nexus 4. If you don't mind missing video information/detail then it makes sense to save some money on a middle of the road phone or buy a slightly overpriced moto x.
On the contrary, most are pleased with fine details in images and videos. If we weren't, the entire HD imaging industry wouldn't be where it is today. It's not marketing, it's consumer demand.
1080p is nice but I would have actually prefered a 720p display if it had the great view angles and contrast of the 2nd generation nexus 7. The panel on that is much nicer despite only being 323ppi.
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You can kid yourself but I regularly see substantial difference between the N5's 1080p and my GNex's 720p display and the GNex display is about the same as the Nexus 4. If you don't mind missing video information/detail then it makes sense to save some money on a middle of the road phone or buy a slightly overpriced moto x.
On the contrary, most are pleased with fine details in images and videos. If we weren't, the entire HD imaging industry wouldn't be where it is today. It's not marketing, it's consumer demand.
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I'm not kidding myself I have both phones, I'm not trying to justify not buying a Nexus 5, I already did
The entire HD industry was built upon HD Ready TVs, at only 720P in the main to start with, set to retina burning brightness and dynamic contrast out the box so they could be sold with contrast ratios of 1,000,000:1 (remember big numbers sell more). The vast majority of people never adjust the TV to true to life settings, and then wonder why anyone with a tan looks orange, even if the tan isn't fake and just accept it! Here in the UK at least, HD broadcasts are so compressed they barely resolve more detail than a standard definition picture should. Our standard definition channels are so compressed they break up regularly into a mosaic of blocks and barely resolve the detail of 360P YouTube clip circa 1995. The vast majority of people don't question the quality, and many thought they were already watching HD just because the TV had an HD sticker on it, and I know a lot of these people. People on the whole don't really care about quality. Marketing swept people towards HD TV, and there are a huge number of people with HD TVs watching nothing more than badly over-compressed standard definition TV and streamed video, none the wiser.
Can a really over compressed 720P video streamed YouTube clip (I don't think they stream 1080P to mobile devices currently) on a 5" display be sharper with more detail when that display is 1080P and not 720P?
If you don't mind missing video information/detail then it makes sense to save some money on a middle of the road phone or buy a slightly overpriced moto x.
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If you do mind missing video information than wouldn't want to watch YouTube or any other for mobile compressed video at all, most of the detail is thrown away in compression. Instead you'd sit down with your friends and family, hire or buy the Blu-ray version of a movie, have a good quality HD TV probably adjusted with a DTS AV decoder and surround sound audio, and enjoy the film as it was intended by the director.
For YouTube clips of someone pouring water over their new Nexus 5 or dropping it on to concrete until it smashes, clips of moody cats, or unboxing reviews of the latest gagdet, I think any resolution of 5" display will do just fine for the vast majority of people.
My argument really isn't relating to us techy types who pixel peek, but the vast majority of people that are persuaded to buy a new mobile phone on the basis of larger numbers driven by marketing, when in reality the benefits are not that great.
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The Nexus 4 is actually 1280x768, not 1280x720. Anyway, I agree that it has become a marketing game, with 2560x1440 and higher phone displays already planned. It's questionable even if it doesn't cost a penny, because those extra pixels slow down the screen rendering.
THIS AINT YOUR FATHER'S AMOLED SCREEN:
Are you having problems with your Tab S screen? Yellowing or mura effects in low light? Read this glowing in depth review of what the Tab S super amoled screen should be. If yours doesn't compare to what they describe here you may wish to consider an exchange. Good read.
http://www.gizmodo.com.au/2014/06/the-best-tablet-display-isnt-on-an-ipad/
Based on our extensive Lab tests and measurements, the Galaxy Tab S is the best performing tablet display that we have ever tested, not surprisingly with performance that is almost identical to the OLED Galaxy S5 Smartphone that we recently tested and found to be the Best Performing Smartphone Display. The Galaxy Tab S establishes new records for best Tablet display performance in: Highest Colour Accuracy, Infinite Contrast Ratio, Lowest Screen Reflectance, and smallest Brightness Variation with Viewing Angle. Both Galaxy Tab S models offer Quad HD 2560×1600 pixel displays (with 287 to 361 pixels per inch), currently the highest for tablets, with 4.1 megapixels, double the number on your HDTV. Where the Galaxy Tab S does very well but does not break performance records is in maximum display Brightness — the current record holder for tablets is the Nokia Lumia 2520 with 684 nits, while the Tab S has 546 nits with Automatic Brightness On and 415 nits under manual Brightness (10 per cent lower for mixed content with 50 per cent Average Picture Level APL and 25 per cent lower for an all white screen). High screen Brightness is only needed for High Ambient Light, so turning Automatic Brightness On will provide better screen visibility and also a longer battery running time. Its record low Screen Reflectance of 4.7 per cent further improves the effective screen Brightness, resulting in a very high Contrast Rating for High Ambient Light with Automatic Brightness On.
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THIS AINT YOUR FATHER'S AMOLED SCREEN:
Are you having problems with your Tab S screen? Yellowing or mura effects in low light? Read this glowing in depth review of what the Tab S super amoled screen should be. If yours doesn't compare to what they describe here you may wish to consider an exchange. Good read.
http://www.gizmodo.com.au/2014/06/the-best-tablet-display-isnt-on-an-ipad/
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Thanks for the read. I don't see any mention to tests for a Mura effect though. The only reference to the screen uniformity doesn't refer to any kind of tests, just a general statement about OLED technology:
"Screen Uniformity
One subtle but important advantage of OLEDs is their excellent screen uniformity compared to LCDs, which often show hot spots and shadows from the edge LED lighting."
I will check in new stores tomorrow and look for mura effects, as well as check for stuttering. I so love the device besides for these flaws, that I sure hope to find one that will be doing good on every aspect.
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Thanks for the read. I don't see any mention to tests for a Mura effect though. The only reference to the screen uniformity doesn't refer to any kind of tests, just a general statement about OLED technology:
"Screen Uniformity
One subtle but important advantage of OLEDs is their excellent screen uniformity compared to LCDs, which often show hot spots and shadows from the edge LED lighting."
I will check in new stores tomorrow and look for mura effects, as well as check for stuttering. I so love the device besides for these flaws, that I sure hope to find one that will be doing good on every aspect.
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Cool. Here's one test you can run.
1) Have the sales person get out a box of the device you want.
2) Go to www.samsung.com
3) Open your account (if you don't have one create one).
4) Attempt to register the new tablet (you aren't actually going to register it).
5) Enter the tablet's serial number in the space given.
6) It will then indicate to you the manufactured date of that tablet.
7) You want something more recent than your problem tablet (which you've already checked using the same method) to ensure that new tablet is not part of the same flawed manufacturing run.
If the salesperson asks you what you are doing simply explain you are looking up the manufacture date and this is the only way to do it. You are not going to actually register the tablet.
*Also consider the 10.5 instead. They seem to be more stable and use a different structure in their screen than the 8.4.