I know its not out yet but I have been thinking about changing to the Diamond 2. Specs/Info http://www.htc.com/www/product/touchdiamond2/overview.html
As far as I'm concerned, the 5mp camera is useless given no flash of any kind.
Also with the increased screern size, it will suck battery like crazy. The battery is only slightly bigger then the standard Diamond so I dont think it will last very long.....
But still, I'm kinda itching to get it, what's ur opinion?
**** Sry guys, found the other post on this topic... MOD PLS DELETE THIS POST> THANKS *****
Please see the other thread...http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=483277
The diamond will most likely NOT need the flash...since it is a f/2.8 equivalent lens. It has a larger aperture and is thus able to draw in more light than most lenses. We have yet to judge its performance as it would also depend on the ISO. With camera optics, 2.8 is getting into the realm of professional lenses.
Same Qualcomm chipset. No way any more. I guess I will wait for Snapdragon chipset or look for a Marvell based one from HTC or other vendors.
Nothing!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Katey said:
Taiwan HTC Corp. released a new version of gadget HTC Touch Diamond 2. The newly-designed product weighs 175g and differs from the first version with the following features: WVGA touch-screen has larger dimensions and higher resolution – 3.2 MP (480x800 pixels). For supporting the tradition, there will be restrained HSDPA, Wi-Fi and Bluetooth. The users of the gadget based on OS Windows 6.1 will have the improved Touch Flo interface with some added elements resembling Palm Pre.
The gadget functions based on chipset Qualcomm MSM7200A 528 MHz and has 5 MP camera with auto focus ability. Thus, it is 3 MP more than it was in the first version. The smartphone has 512Mb ROM, 288Mb RAM, besides it is possible to enhance the memory by means of microSD card. The phone has also GPS and A-GPS functions.
In future HTC Corp. intends to impress its fans with new software-innovations. In particular, HTC Corp. has already developed software-initiative Push Internet supposed for better functioning of the gadget in the Internet.
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Is this SPAM ? Or do you really think that a site like this four days later still has no clue about phones that were announced four days ago.
Even though more than a few of it's members were actually at the conference where the phones were announced.
On second thought this has got to be spam.
Its not spam.
http://www.htc.com/www/product/touchdiamond2/overview.html
I understand that this may be a slightly biased place to ask the question but...
Touch HD vs. Diamond 2....
Specs, speed, software, features please.... I can't decide which one to get.
Bellers said:
I understand that this may be a slightly biased place to ask the question but...
Touch HD vs. Diamond 2....
Specs, speed, software, features please.... I can't decide which one to get.
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You are asking the impossible. Nobody from here can pick a device for you...
Try here ...
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If you want an official upgrade to Winmo 6.5, and potentially Winmo 7, go for the TD2. Microsoft are christening 6.5 and beyond as "windows phone" rather than "windows mobile" and have specified that windows phones must have a flag button (and presumably other hardware stuff). Going forward, I wouldn't be surprised if the TD2 were to get a winmo 7 upgrade for a fee, but it's looking like the Touch HD will not get any official upgrades. There's always the unofficial ROMs on here, of course, but personally I like to keep to official ROMs for the phone I use for running my business.
Just a thought.
Jim Coleman said:
Going forward, I wouldn't be surprised if the TD2 were to get a winmo 7 upgrade for a fee.
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Personally I'd be astounded. WM7 is a long way off really.
andyturner said:
Personally I'd be astounded. WM7 is a long way off really.
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It may be a long way off, but you have to look at Microsoft's roadmap. WM6.5 and WM7 are both on the same "path" - they are both "Windows Phone" operating systems. The new branding implies a new stance regarding OS updates, and it's this that makes me think upgrades will be offered to all "Windows Phone" owners. The TD2 and TP2 are the first "Windows Phones" on the market, and therefore stand a much better chance of receiving WM7 when it's available than the HD does.
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It may be a long way off, but you have to look at Microsoft's roadmap. WM6.5 and WM7 are both on the same "path" - they are both "Windows Phone" operating systems. The new branding implies a new stance regarding OS updates, and it's this that makes me think upgrades will be offered to all "Windows Phone" owners. The TD2 and TP2 are the first "Windows Phones" on the market, and therefore stand a much better chance of receiving WM7 when it's available than the HD does.
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Nope They will not be upgradable to WM7. Not a single phone avalaible now meets the specs requirements of WM7.
WM7 Chassis 1 Specification
Core requirements:
Processor: ARM v6+, L2 Cache, VFP, Open GL ES 2.0 graphics HW (QCOM 8k, Nvidia AP15/16* and TI 3430 all meet spec)
Memory: 256MB+ DRAM, 1G+ Flash (at least 512MB fast flash – 5MB/s unbuffered read @4K block size)
Display: WVGA (800×480) or FWVGA (854×480) 3.5” or greater diagonal
Touch: Multi-touch required
Battery: Sufficient to meet Days of Use LTK requirements.
Controls: Start, Back, Send and End are required (soft controls allowed as long as they are always present).
Peripherals:
Camera: 3MP+, flash optional, 2nd camera optional (VGA resolution sufficient)
GPS: aGPS required
Sensors required: Light Sensor, Compass (3 axis, 5 degrees, 100 Hz sample rate), Accelerometer (3 axis, 2mg resolution, 100 Hz sample rate)
USB: High speed required, 20 MB/s transfer rate.
BlueTooth: BT2.1 required, must run MSFT BT stack, CSR BlueCore6 or later recommended.
Wi-Fi: 802.11B/G required, must run MSFT Native Wi-Fi stack, Atheros 6002 or Broadcomm 4325 recommended.
Connectors: Micro USB and 3.5mm Audio required.
Options:
FM tuner: If tuner HW is present it will be detected and supported by the Media application.
Haptics
SD Card (Micro SD recommended)
DPAD, qwerty or 12/20 key keyboards all optional
http://blogs.zdnet.com/microsoft/?p=2752
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Nope They will not be upgradable to WM7. Not a single phone avalaible now meets the specs requirements of WM7.
WM7 Chassis 1 Specification
Core requirements:
Processor: ARM v6+, L2 Cache, VFP, Open GL ES 2.0 graphics HW (QCOM 8k, Nvidia AP15/16* and TI 3430 all meet spec)
Memory: 256MB+ DRAM, 1G+ Flash (at least 512MB fast flash – 5MB/s unbuffered read @4K block size)
Display: WVGA (800×480) or FWVGA (854×480) 3.5” or greater diagonal
Touch: Multi-touch required
Battery: Sufficient to meet Days of Use LTK requirements.
Controls: Start, Back, Send and End are required (soft controls allowed as long as they are always present).
Peripherals:
Camera: 3MP+, flash optional, 2nd camera optional (VGA resolution sufficient)
GPS: aGPS required
Sensors required: Light Sensor, Compass (3 axis, 5 degrees, 100 Hz sample rate), Accelerometer (3 axis, 2mg resolution, 100 Hz sample rate)
USB: High speed required, 20 MB/s transfer rate.
BlueTooth: BT2.1 required, must run MSFT BT stack, CSR BlueCore6 or later recommended.
Wi-Fi: 802.11B/G required, must run MSFT Native Wi-Fi stack, Atheros 6002 or Broadcomm 4325 recommended.
Connectors: Micro USB and 3.5mm Audio required.
Options:
FM tuner: If tuner HW is present it will be detected and supported by the Media application.
Haptics
SD Card (Micro SD recommended)
DPAD, qwerty or 12/20 key keyboards all optional
http://blogs.zdnet.com/microsoft/?p=2752
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Man I feel sucky already.....
Haha! Fair enough, I stand corrected, looks like a good excuse for a new phone an a year or so then :O)
MAK11 said:
Nope They will not be upgradable to WM7. Not a single phone avalaible now meets the specs requirements of WM7.
WM7 Chassis 1 Specification
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http://blogs.zdnet.com/microsoft/?p=2752
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Did you even read the whole blog post? Here are a few snippets you forgot to mention.
Blog title
Could this be the hardware spec for Microsoft's Pink phone?
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First up: A list of what may or may not be the final specs for the Windows Mobile 7 Chassis 1. Chassis 1 seems to be the the heart of the rumored “Pink” Microsoft phone and possibly other Windows Mobile 7 phones made by Microsoft partners.
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Some caveats about this list: Microsoft officials won’t talk publicly about Pink or Windows Mobile 7 (and only selectively about Windows Mobile 6.5) at this point. This information also is at least a few months old and may have changed a bit.
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And then the information you posted. So number 1 its not official, and number 2 it may not even be talking about minimum specs for WM7 but new hardware from Microsoft themselves. In saying all that its extremely unlikely that an official upgrade to WM7 will ever appear for Current phones, or even upcoming ones like the Touch Pro 2, purely because by the time WM7 launches they will be too old.
Haha again! Rumour quoted as truth eh!
Truth is, I'd love a Microsoft phone, at least if there were any probs it'd be all Microsoft's fault - none of this manufacturer-blames-os-maker-and-vice-versa crap!
All this info doesnt help much guys. We need someone who had touch HD and bought TD2 and he is happy for this reasons or unhappy for other reasons.
I have HD and thinking to sacrifice his bigger screen for 1)a new device and a 2)smaller size which makes it look more like a phone
if someone has done this "phone switch" plz make a fast review
I had a HD and lost it two weeks ago. I had it for 6 month and just watched one houre movie at that time. When I bought a new phone I had both of them in my hands and played around to see the difference. First the d2 is quicker and runs smoother. Not even that, the upgrade had added some good functionality in the contacts tab. I really like that you can see all emails and sms you sent or received from a contact. On my HD I used iContact, but dont need that anymore.
The size is also positive. It feels more like a phone than the HD. Feels right in the hand.
The bad part is the loss of the 3,5mm. I had to buy a usb->3.5mm converter and that is big and clumsy. Not good at al. My other concern is that I cant reach thumbcal from a appointment on the today tab.
If I lose my phon again I go for the d2 again. I am very very happy with it, and I was very happy with my old HD.
switched from HD to TD2
Kill_bill said:
All this info doesnt help much guys. We need someone who had touch HD and bought TD2 and he is happy for this reasons or unhappy for other reasons.
I have HD and thinking to sacrifice his bigger screen for 1)a new device and a 2)smaller size which makes it look more like a phone
if someone has done this "phone switch" plz make a fast review
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Hi,
I had the TouchHD for 5 months until I sold it to get the new TD2.
My actual reason was the size, the TD2 is really more like a phone now, whereas the HD was more like a PDA.
- the hardware is exactly the same (some other processor model I think, but exactly the same speed so no changes here)
- actually I liked the all-black design from the HD better, but the TD2 still looks very nice and high-class. The build quality is pretty much very high on both devices but the metal finish of the TD2 simulates better grade of quality. (I personally think that the TD2 is a little bit better built)
- the shipped software is a major improvment on the TD2. I had to install tons of apps and finally flash some really good ROMs (Dutty's Ship V3.3) to get a decent user interface. on the TD2 it's all here...even without the flashing.
- official winmo 6.5 update was very important to me (of yourse, there are cooked 6.5 roms for the touchHD but most of them are still very buggy and bear in mind that winmo 6.5 isn't officially released yet!)
- I love the new "start" key (which is the reason why the HD won't get an official update to 6.5). It makes it so much easier to operate your phone with one hand.
And the 4 hardware keys are now illuminated, which makes it a lot easier when it's dark. (and it's a cool looking white light!)
- I like the new speaker position (on the side instead of on the back). makes it easer to hear when your phone is on a bed/couch...
- the stylus isn't magnetically put into place any more, but I barely use it, so actually I don't care.
- The TD2 is 1mm thicker (not really noticeable)
- I was thrilled about the 3,5mm jack of the HD but I actually didn't use it at all. (there is nothing like an ipod) so it was no downgrade for me.
- I feared that typing on the slightly smaller screen would be harder on the TD2 but you just have to get used to it! So for me there are no issues with the smaller sized screen...not with browsing (I do a lot), not for videos, not for tomtom nor anything else. (the screen was really huge on the HD, maybe a little bit too big for my taste...like I said...more PDA than phone)
And because of the smaller screen size but the same resolution, the images look a little bit crisper in comparison.
- I think that the background illumination is slightly higher on the TD2. In my opinion it's a little bit better to read from in bright daylight.
- It's a new device: nice to have a change and six more months warranty!
I think, I covered all my impressions after having the TD2 for about 2 weeks now. If you have any more questions PM me and I will be happy to answer.
...also see Brandon's comparison video @pocketnow.com
No this isn't a thread asking if WM7 is coming to pure. I was reading I think it was may issue of an australian technology mag APC and it mentioned that the pure will be the first phone to get the WM7 upgrade. I don't know were that would have came from but has anyone else heard anything of this? I personally think it was a faulty sources though.
Not to be stingy but its actually WP7, its no longer windows mobile as any apps will not be supported, Its now Windows Phone 7 I'm not sure if its a complete recode, but from what I've seen its completely different from windows mobile.
WP7 Will NOT come to the Pure, Unless they're making a new Pure haha.
"FYI: Windows Phone 7 Series Minimum System Requirements
Capacitive Touch: 4 or more contact points
Sensors: A-GPS, Accelerometer, Compass, Light, Proximity
Camera: 5 megapixels or more, Camera with a flash and dedicated camera button
Multimedia: Common detailed specs, Codec acceleration
Memory: 256 MB, 8 GB Flash or more
GPU: DirectX 9 acceleration
Processor: ARMv7 Cortex/Scorpion or better
2 screen sizes: 480×800 WVGA, 480×320 HVGA
Keyboard: Optional
Hardware Buttons: Must be fixed on the face"
This pretty much means No WP7 on Pure it doesn't really have a DX 9 capable GPU
Yep I'm aware of all that, I was merely commenting on what was reported, thats all. But thanks anyway.
ive seen this post here and all over the net and see the same reply. that the pure is not "strong" enough to handle windows 7 mobile.
I have ordered 6gb variant hows this phone???
Battery: ?/10
Display: ?/10
Development: ?/10
Camera: ?/10
Heating: ?/10
ZeroVirus said:
I have ordered 6gb variant hows this phone???
Battery: 10/10
Display: 5/10
Development: 3/10
Camera: 5/10
Heating: 10/10
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Not necessarily the criteria I would be interested but above is my take. The phone is OK performance wise but is an amazing deal with the current prices ($135-150).
sleze said:
Not necessarily the criteria I would be interested but above is my take. The phone is OK performance wise but is an amazing deal with the current prices ($135-150).
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Are you talking about the 6gb variant the OP is asking about?
ZeroVirus said:
I have ordered 6gb variant hows this phone???
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Battery: ?
Display: ?
Development: ?
Camera: ?
Heating: ?
If you were asking about 4 GB variant, perhaps there would be some numbers instead of question marks. And although the phones act quite similarly with different amount of RAM, it seems that the senior member "jhedfors" believes otherwise, making thus advicing pretty much pointless as the 6 GB version is quite a rare one.
Battery 8/10 but on standby it looses about 4% over night.
Display 7/10 u have to play around with the color mode settings in display to get it to your liking
Development 5/10. Doesn't seem like there will be much development in a years time.
Camera 5/10 the pics are ok at best.
Heating 10/10 it really keeps it's cool
I haven't used the phone yet but I can probably say this much. This is for the XT1900-1.
Development: 7/10 - not the biggest thriving community around but there were a number of roms that people are enjoying that came out within the last for months for pie including
Havoc: https://forum.xda-developers.com/moto-x4/development/rom-moto-x4-t3890346
Pixel: https://forum.xda-developers.com/moto-x4/development/rom-pixel-experience-t3876195
Lineage 16 (BETA): https://forum.xda-developers.com/moto-x4/development/rom-lineage-16-0-developer-preview-t3849699
Lesser known/used ROMS:
Arrow: https://forum.xda-developers.com/moto-x4/development/arrow-osunofficial-t3888730
Viper: https://forum.xda-developers.com/moto-x4/development/rom-viper-os-6-0-pie-t3894651
PLEASE read, then re-read how to use these roms as it's not the most straightforward process.
Here is my process, but I haven't tested it yet
https://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=78978406&postcount=860
To my knowledge, VoLTE should be working with custom roms but wifi calling will not (wifi calling is only on T-Mobile BTW).
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The other part of development is the GCam app, which currently there are a number of ports for this phone as there is no single best app yet.
Recently, the development teams have been able to enable the wide angle lens, but there are a number of bugs to still iron out.
Example One: https://forum.xda-developers.com/moto-x4/how-to/guide-x4-camera-gcam-hdr-night-sight-t3874674
Example Two: https://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=78957227&postcount=73
Example Three: https://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=78985555&postcount=190
This should bump up the camera score to maybe ~7 as well.
dougo007 said:
I haven't used the phone yet but I can probably say this much. This is for the XT1900-1.
Development: 7/10 - not the biggest thriving community around but there were a number of roms that people are enjoying that came out within the last for months for pie including
Havoc: https://forum.xda-developers.com/moto-x4/development/rom-moto-x4-t3890346
Pixel: https://forum.xda-developers.com/moto-x4/development/rom-pixel-experience-t3876195
Lineage 16 (BETA): https://forum.xda-developers.com/moto-x4/development/rom-lineage-16-0-developer-preview-t3849699
Lesser known/used ROMS:
Arrow: https://forum.xda-developers.com/moto-x4/development/arrow-osunofficial-t3888730
Viper: https://forum.xda-developers.com/moto-x4/development/rom-viper-os-6-0-pie-t3894651
PLEASE read, then re-read how to use these roms as it's not the most straightforward process.
Here is my process, but I haven't tested it yet
https://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=78978406&postcount=860
To my knowledge, VoLTE should be working with custom roms but wifi calling will not (wifi calling is only on T-Mobile BTW).
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The other part of development is the GCam app, which currently there are a number of ports for this phone as there is no single best app yet.
Recently, the development teams have been able to enable the wide angle lens, but there are a number of bugs to still iron out.
Example One: https://forum.xda-developers.com/moto-x4/how-to/guide-x4-camera-gcam-hdr-night-sight-t3874674
Example Two: https://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=78957227&postcount=73
Example Three: https://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=78985555&postcount=190
This should bump up the camera score to maybe ~7 as well.
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Just listed mine on swappa for $120. The Moto G7 came in the mail today. I never had a problem with my X4. It was a great device.