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Hi all thought I would share this information... I saw posts on other HTC brand sections regarding the camera view being hazy, green-blue dots or blue snow-like...
I personally had this problem, and it turned out to be due to "overclocking" of the cpu, (in my case with Pocket hack master), so if any of you experiencing the same, try to adjust hack master so that it makes the cpu go the highest speed, but when opening "Windows\camera.exe" decrease the speed to the damn 201 Mhz (lol believe me theres no difference in quality).
hehehe thank you so much for that
cool one to install
Thanks Khortoom for the info!
One question though, how does it works the viva overcloked? is there any noticeable improvement in the performance? Stability?
I know that Windows Mobile had color limitations (64k?) and as well as the limitations of the Xperia X10 due to Android 1.6 but since installing the Froyo package the colors seem to pop off my screen. Colors appear more vibrant or even brighter. Images on the Facebook app seem clearer and better when I'm running Froyo. Did Froyo actually do this to my phone? Would running Android increase the amount of colors it can actually process? Has anyone else noticed this too?
Thanks!
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I know that Windows Mobile had color limitations (64k?) and as well as the limitations of the Xperia X10 due to Android 1.6 but since installing the Froyo package the colors seem to pop off my screen. Colors appear more vibrant or even brighter. Images on the Facebook app seem clearer and better when I'm running Froyo. Did Froyo actually do this to my phone? Would running Android increase the amount of colors it can actually process? Has anyone else noticed this too?
Thanks!
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I was actually thinking the same thing the other day..specially when its dark around..look at froyo and look at WinMo..they are v different....I think its the OS effect!
Nope, android is still using 16 bits (rgb565). Actually, the hardware supports 18-bit rgb666, but that'd eat up more ram and dramatically decrease performance (especially HW3D), so I think using 18 bits is a bad idea
Audio on 2.2
A little off topic but I find that the sound out of the speaker is way better on Android than WinMo.
It is much fuller and clearer, more bass and louder without distorting as much. Sound on WinMo on my X1 is quite tinny, whether I use AudioPara or not.
Do others find this too?
http://www.engadget.com/2010/12/24/archos-70-and-101-internet-tablet-review/
Just $49 more for cameras, kickstands, Android 2.2, less headache, and more.
What do you think? Which one is better?
Anyone used both? Or considering returning the NC for an Archos?
I was just talking about this subject with some friends.
Nook has a much better screen. A 1024x600 res IPS with great angles and crispness. The Archos 70 has a crappy 800x480 TN screen with really bad viewing angles. Screen quality in a tablet is probably most important to me. I want to be able to hold this thing any any direction at any angle and still see it, can't do that with the Archos.
The Nook feels solid... maybe a little too solid, as it is certainly heavier than the Archos 70. The Archos is reportedly very flimsy feeling. This could go either way depending on how much you value solid feeling versus weight.
The Nook has 512MB of RAM and it looks like 1GB or more of app storage space (unfortunately I didn't look at it before installing a few things). The Archos 70 has 256MB of RAM and only a measly 256MB of app storage space. Maybe the modders can fix that if they haven't yet, not sure. But that is a big downer for the Archos to me, I've already installed about 400MB of apps on my Nook in that app space.
Archos seems to have performance on it's side. It's CPU runs at the full 1GHz and it's running Android 2.2 already. My Nook feels sluggish with web browsing (using Dolphin HD), but I'm hoping the Nook update to 2.2 in January can help pep it up some. And maybe someday we'll get a 1GHz kernel.
Archos has a few extra hardware features like Bluetooth, HDMI out, better speakers, and cameras (though probably not a big loss if they are as bad as Engadget says they are).
For me the WAY better screen more than makes up for the slightly slower performance and other features the Nook doesn't have.
Connectivity. Vs. Screen quality... Pick your poison.
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The Archos 70 has 256MB of RAM and only a measly 256MB of app storage space. Maybe the modders can fix that if they haven't yet, not sure.
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And maybe someday we'll get a 1GHz kernel.
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Just to clarify, RAM, flash storage space, and CPU are not things that can be fixed/improved with software. These are determined by the physical chips that are soldered on to the board.
There are apps to boost CPU speed a bit, but you will start to run into stability issues if you bump it up too much above what the chip was binned at. A nice 2.2 build might improve things a bit on the NC, but the archos will likely always have an edge. Not just because of its higher clock speed, but also because it has fewer pixels to render.
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Just to clarify, RAM, flash storage space, and CPU are not things that can be fixed/improved with software. These are determined by the physical chips that are soldered on to the board.
There are apps to boost CPU speed a bit, but you will start to run into stability issues if you bump it up too much above what the chip was binned at. A nice 2.2 build might improve things a bit on the NC, but the archos will likely always have an edge. Not just because of its higher clock speed, but also because it has fewer pixels to render.
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Don't you mean the nk will have the slightest edge once it gets 2.2?
that all depends on what soc graphics chip the archos 70 has because the ti omap proc at 800 can go blow for blow with alot of 1ghz chips
I think most important think is amount of RAM - 256MB is just to little to get going with highend apps like Flash or games.
The Archos 70 8GB model "feels" flimsy because there is a small gap on the inside center, so this flexes. This gap I believe is from the lack of a harddrive which is in the 250GB model. It only feels flimsy when you push on this gap, however it doesn't twist or anything (strong structure), where the 250 with the drive feels like a brick.
Im dying for the update in january. Let's pray for some decent video playback the hardware is there. cmon!!
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Just to clarify, RAM, flash storage space, and CPU are not things that can be fixed/improved with software. These are determined by the physical chips that are soldered on to the board.
There are apps to boost CPU speed a bit, but you will start to run into stability issues if you bump it up too much above what the chip was binned at. A nice 2.2 build might improve things a bit on the NC, but the archos will likely always have an edge. Not just because of its higher clock speed, but also because it has fewer pixels to render.
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I thought the Nook was using a 1GHz CPU that was underclocked to 800MHz. Maybe I'm mistaken?
Regarding the app space, that is a software issue though isn't it?. The Nook partitions what appears to be about 1GB of it's 8GB of flash space for apps. The Archos however only partitions 256MB for apps. Seems like a custom ROM on the Archos could change that up and give more space to apps, or so that is what they say on the archosfans.com forums.
Posted this reply in another thread ... worth repeating ...
While the NC supplier (B&N and it's mfg'er) have a limited track record, the record of Archos is pretty clear ... roll out products that target the 'latest trend' with software that is usually not ready and move on to the next latest thing within a very short time leaving a trail of unsupported devices. If you can live with buying a new thing from Archos every 9-12 mos and knowing support will be GONE after that then go for it.
As said the Nook may not turn out better, but it can't be worse. It has an reasonably up-to-date system now, larger memory, better viewing for it's primary mission. A70 just getting 2.2 and who know what bugs with it (seems to be bugs aplenty); A101 still not very available, what does THAT tell you?
If you want an android multimedia device then the Archos family may be a way to go, but evaluate it against multimedia devices since that is Archos' focus (assuming they have one), not reading and/or tablet functions.
Probably most people on this thread have reading as a primary, tablet second and entertainment third. The screen is really great, pdf reading is real good other than the swipe down instead of swipe sideways, with the Dolphin browser, root, su, multitouch what's not to like? ... did I mention the screen is great?
zdrifter said:
Probably most people on this thread have reading as a primary, tablet second and entertainment third. The screen is really great, pdf reading is real good other than the swipe down instead of swipe sideways, with the Dolphin browser, root, su, multitouch what's not to like? ... did I mention the screen is great?
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Lawl i bought the Nook just to Root. Ive got books on it an thats nice but since my phone died i needed a micro-mobile device so i wouldnt have to switch from tv to pc (1 button but im lazy) the Nook simply had the specs to get it done.
Only plus about archos is the BT for a phone but just the possibility of it for the Nook made it a done deal, Having the 60mb wing i know what Devs can do. The screens obviously the best part but double the ram as similar tablets is amazing, Ive loaded tons of 3D games an still have 200Mbs of ram, and the fact that you can drive to a B&N in most towns. (i hate shipping)
I think there both 7" form factor? but the sexy knock the Nooks got was also a winner
Archos is lacking ram an screen, but if a 1.3mp camera an knowing BT will work makes it up there you go.
Ravynmagi said:
I was just talking about this subject with some friends.
Nook has a much better screen. A 1024x600 res IPS with great angles and crispness. The Archos 70 has a crappy 800x480 TN screen with really bad viewing angles. Screen quality in a tablet is probably most important to me. I want to be able to hold this thing any any direction at any angle and still see it, can't do that with the Archos.
The Nook feels solid... maybe a little too solid, as it is certainly heavier than the Archos 70. The Archos is reportedly very flimsy feeling. This could go either way depending on how much you value solid feeling versus weight.
The Nook has 512MB of RAM and it looks like 1GB or more of app storage space (unfortunately I didn't look at it before installing a few things). The Archos 70 has 256MB of RAM and only a measly 256MB of app storage space. Maybe the modders can fix that if they haven't yet, not sure. But that is a big downer for the Archos to me, I've already installed about 400MB of apps on my Nook in that app space.
Archos seems to have performance on it's side. It's CPU runs at the full 1GHz and it's running Android 2.2 already. My Nook feels sluggish with web browsing (using Dolphin HD), but I'm hoping the Nook update to 2.2 in January can help pep it up some. And maybe someday we'll get a 1GHz kernel.
Archos has a few extra hardware features like Bluetooth, HDMI out, better speakers, and cameras (though probably not a big loss if they are as bad as Engadget says they are).
For me the WAY better screen more than makes up for the slightly slower performance and other features the Nook doesn't have.
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Great points here and everyone else. The low amount of RAM is a shocker, and is a dealbreaker right there. That makes me glad I don't have an Archos.
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Probably most people on this thread have reading as a primary, tablet second and entertainment third.
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camwinnn said:
Lawl i bought the Nook just to Root.
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Yup, same here, I bought the Nook Color with literally zero intention of reading anything. It's a pure 100% Android browsing/gaming tablet for me
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The only thing that gives me pause about my Nook Color purchase is the lack of Bluetooth and a front facing camera. One of my main uses for this device will be watching shows/movies while doing cardio at the gym. Using a wired heaset is dangerous as one wrong move of the arm and boom, your device goes to the floor. A Bluetooth headset and watching stuff on my phone was great (and safe).
And a front facing camera would be nice for video chat. I think all tablets will have this feature in the future and ones that don't will be knocked down a notch.
B&N have already stated that an update is happening "next year", informaton about it happening in January was not true, people seriously should stop repeating this.
In addition to everything written above Archos has a resistive touchscreen which is said to be really unresponsive.
candre23 said:
There are apps to boost CPU speed a bit, but you will start to run into stability issues if you bump it up too much above what the chip was binned at. A nice 2.2 build might improve things a bit on the NC, but the archos will likely always have an edge. Not just because of its higher clock speed, but also because it has fewer pixels to render.
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The NC and the Archos Gen8s have the same cpu at different speeds. We've been able to run the NC stable up to about 1.15GHz. Froyo + JIT will go further than oc towards responsiveness.
As for bluetooth, the hardware is at least partially there. I'm still trying to figure it out, so if you know someone who's done ports to a platform with TI bluetooth send them my way.
Thanks for the information everyone, this cleared up my doubts and worries of purchasing the nc.
inferniac90 said:
B&N have already stated that an update is happening "next year", informaton about it happening in January was not true, people seriously should stop repeating this.
In addition to everything written above Archos has a resistive touchscreen which is said to be really unresponsive.
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So no update in jan?
Sent from my Nook Color
inferniac90 said:
B&N have already stated that an update is happening "next year", informaton about it happening in January was not true, people seriously should stop repeating this.
In addition to everything written above Archos has a resistive touchscreen which is said to be really unresponsive.
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Actually, the new Archos models (70 and 101) have capacitive screens.
jaydon34 said:
So no update in jan?
Sent from my Nook Color
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zdnet.com/blog/gadgetreviews/barnes-noble-confirms-android-22-update-for-nook-color-updated/20759
//not allowed to post links yet
UPDATE: Looks like that confirmation wasn’t really a confirmation after all. There will be an update, but just probably not in January. Here’s the statement from a B&N PR rep:
B&N plans to update the OS sometime in 2011. Regarding applications, we are committed to the NOOKdeveloper program and on track to add apps to our store in early 2011, but do not have plans enable Android Marketplace at this time.
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Actually, the new Archos models (70 and 101) have capacitive screens.
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You're right, forgot about that, but the viewing angles are still really bad
http://www.engadget.com/2010/12/24/archos-70-and-101-internet-tablet-review/
I bought the NC over other devices for many of the reasons already stated (basically THE SCREEN), also because it has very good wifi reception. I believe I read that Archos was having issues with that.
Hello,
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1075364&page=21
It seems the Mali 400 mp is rendering colors at only 16 bit (remember the old days). This effects the performance a lot while losing image quality.
My Gf has the S2 and this is very noticeable.
This is affected in browsers and games in general.
Hence the galaxy s2 has huge banding issues.
you can google for it and you will come up with plenty of results.
I am wondering if it is possible to compile a kernel for O2X with forcing 16 bit (It can be enabled or disabled so that we can get better FPS). This way we can make for super fast browsing experience.
http://forums.arm.com/index.php?/topic/15028-bug-in-driver-android-sgs-2-i9100/
Read this from ARM forums
Thanks and Regards,
Gana
I do not believe that LCDs or AMOLEDs are capable reproducing accurate picture for 24+ bit color space... it is just a waste of memory...
So it seems quite reasonable that it works at 16bit only...
And... wrong section...
ganaboy said:
Hello,
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1075364&page=21
It seems the Mali 400 mp is rendering colors at only 16 bit (remember the old days). This effects the performance a lot while losing image quality.
My Gf has the S2 and this is very noticeable.
This is affected in browsers and games in general.
Hence the galaxy s2 has huge banding issues.
you can google for it and you will come up with plenty of results.
I am wondering if it is possible to compile a kernel for O2X with forcing 16 bit (It can be enabled or disabled so that we can get better FPS). This way we can make for super fast browsing experience.
http://forums.arm.com/index.php?/topic/15028-bug-in-driver-android-sgs-2-i9100/
Read this from ARM forums
Thanks and Regards,
Gana
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Not possible, color depth is stored in userspace drivers
Ferrum Master said:
I do not believe that LCDs or AMOLEDs are capable reproducing accurate picture for 24+ bit color space... it is just a waste of memory...
So it seems quite reasonable that it works at 16bit only...
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ips screens have at least 8bit per channel
so 24bit it's really possible...
some professional ones have also more
Well i finally found the reason why Mali 400 is so much faster
http://www.anandtech.com/show/4686/samsung-galaxy-s-2-international-review-the-best-redefined/16
If you notice Geforce ULP has much higher vertex(triangles) through put.
This is because Mali has 1 vertex core(VLIW 2) vs geforce's 4 cores
But in mobile space there is not much geometric complexity like on desktop PC's. The screens are so small.
Even though Mali and Geforce ULP have 4 fragment processors/cores each.
the mali core is a VLIW 4 like in AMD stream processors.
Therefore it can perform 4 MADD per core per clock. Where as geforce can do 1 MADD per core per clock.
MADD - Multiply and Add
Per Clock - One Cycle time.
Geforce - 8 MADD/clock
Mali 400 MP4 - 18 MADD/clock
Nvidia designs to run less MADD per clock but at higher frequencies. This way the theortical FLOPS limit can be reached easily.
The VLIW4 requires u to pack 4 MADDS per instruction like in AMD . The theortical limit is much more difficult to achieve.
Nvidia does it in this fashion on the desktop PC's , but i think they missed a trick here.
1> In desktop PC's the cores can be used for general purpose computing(like CUDA). People are not interested at the moment in mobile space in such things.
2> The though process is that the geometric complexity will increase in games.( I think they assumed that most people will connect their phones to big monitors and then Play )
Which brings me to tegra 3
12 Cores - 12 MADD/Clock
I really hope they do not split the cores as 6/6 vertex/fragment
Maybe 3/9 or 4/8 maximum.
Small Tip:
Tegra 2 works at peak efficiency when the load is split between vertex shader and pixel shader seperately. So having seperate shader files for different hardware is a good idea.
Gana
Hey guys,
Long time Android user here, but new to the nook.
I am a photographer by hobby and want to use a nook color as a display device for photo reviews using a eye-fi card.
I am just now learning about CM7 on the original color nook and am looking to buy one. I know the new ones are coming out in a few days and know the decision is harder.
Do I grab the refurbished ones on buy.com for 139.99 or wait for the new ones?
My concern is CM support. I want to root it, install AOSP 2.3x and use it for photo reviews and general web browsing at home with flash.
Does anyone know if the CM team plans on supporting the new Nook color? If so, do we have an estimated time to root/code for the new nook?
What would you gus do if you had my needs in mind?
It's impossible to tell since no one has a unit in there hands yet. Also does eyefi have an android app? Do they make microSD cards? If not I doubt it would work on the nook
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Yes and not needed.
Been done before by others, I'm just late to the party.
psychoace said:
It's impossible to tell since no one has a unit in there hands yet. Also does eyefi have an android app? Do they make microSD cards? If not I doubt it would work on the nook
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The eyefi card goes into his camera and then it connects to the nook via wifi. And as the OP said, there is an android app for that.
I have doubts for the NC2. The only really different thing about it is the faster processor. The OG Nook color worked and still does work incredibly well on CM7. Why buy a new one? It probably will see development, but not as much as the touchpad or original nook color. Just my .02 worth.
Tapatalkin it from my IHO CM7.1'd, ICS Themed Optimus V
I'm also a photographer thinking about using the Nook Color as small portfolio. The refurbished units of the first model should be good enough as a showcase since the display on the Nook 2 will be the same.
kcls said:
I have doubts for the NC2. The only really different thing about it is the faster processor.
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From what I've read, it'll also have
* 1 GB RAM
* 16 GB EMMC( + microSD slot up )
* 1.2 Ghz Dual Core CPU
Could be a nice bump in performance. Could be faster page loads, when web surfing which at a reasonable price, could be a nice performance bump. Of course, Rootability is still needed.
LOL, this thread may now be moot. I just couldn't resist buying the original nook color for 149.
We'll see how it goes...
Note that the NC2 claims to have a better display than the original NC (which is already pretty good).
If your anticipated use is to show off photos, the increased speed (dual core) and the better screen might be worth waiting for.
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From what I've read, it'll also have
* 1 GB RAM
* 16 GB EMMC( + microSD slot up )
* 1.2 Ghz Dual Core CPU
Could be a nice bump in performance. Could be faster page loads, when web surfing which at a reasonable price, could be a nice performance bump. Of course, Rootability is still needed.
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It's 1.0 GHz dual-core processor.
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jasoraso said:
Note that the NC2 claims to have a better display than the original NC (which is already pretty good).
If your anticipated use is to show off photos, the increased speed (dual core) and the better screen might be worth waiting for.
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Better? by what? IPS-square?
Another marketing term.
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It's 1.0 GHz dual-core processor.
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Better? by what? IPS-square?
Another marketing term.
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I agree that it certainly could be marketing-speak only - that is why I used "claims" in my previous statement.
Regardless, this is the marketing language being used:
Display: World’s most advanced 7-inch VividView™ Color Touchscreen 16 million+ colors, high resolution IPS display – 1024x600, 169 PPI Fully laminated with no air gaps for remarkable clarity and minimal glare – read indoors or outside.
The PPI doesn't change from the original NC, but the laminated language appears to be new. The reviews that I've seen so far don't compare screens, especially not in real life, and even more importantly, outdoors. BUT - that is something I'm looking forward to seeing.
If I were a photographer like the OP, and buying a NC or NC2 to highlight my work, I would want the best screen, and I would wait one week to see, and that is what I was suggesting he do.
The price of the NC is only going to keep going down (unless you are looking at the $139 refurbished NC's, which might run out).
jasoraso said:
I agree that it certainly could be marketing-speak only - that is why I used "claims" in my previous statement.
Regardless, this is the marketing language being used:
Display: World’s most advanced 7-inch VividView™ Color Touchscreen 16 million+ colors, high resolution IPS display – 1024x600, 169 PPI Fully laminated with no air gaps for remarkable clarity and minimal glare – read indoors or outside.
The PPI doesn't change from the original NC, but the laminated language appears to be new. The reviews that I've seen so far don't compare screens, especially not in real life, and even more importantly, outdoors. BUT - that is something I'm looking forward to seeing.
If I were a photographer like the OP, and buying a NC or NC2 to highlight my work, I would want the best screen, and I would wait one week to see, and that is what I was suggesting he do.
The price of the NC is only going to keep going down (unless you are looking at the $139 refurbished NC's, which might run out).
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Yeah I'm interested in seeing how the new screen works, not necessarily on how it looks (I'm ok with he current one on the NC). I want to see if its responsiveness is better, that way I could use a thinner (homemade) stylus for my Nook and take notes faster.
Something is new with the screen. The top layer is one single piece. On the NC, there is a distinct border between screen and the home button bezel. On the NT, there is no border.
Here's a pic:
http://www.engadget.com/photos/nook-tablet-meet-nook-color/#4590238
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Something is new with the screen. The top layer is one single piece. On the NC, there is a distinct border between screen and the home button bezel. On the NT, there is no border.
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A small detail, but it makes the device look a lot more polished, doesn't it?
leocallejas said:
A small detail, but it makes the device look a lot more polished, doesn't it?
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I thought it was already pretty slick but now it looks even more polished. It's about what I would expect for a 2nd generation product.
The new nook tablet has a read and record feature which utilizes a Mic. Let's hope it works if it gets cm7 or 9 on it
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Already ordered the original nook color. Remember I don't really practice photography professionally. It is simply a hobby. I more or less want to be able to check focus on a larger screen.
I want it as soon as CM7 gets on it.
At this point I could care less about CM7. I want a shiny new rooted ICS based OS to go with the shiny new tablet.
EverythingNook said:
I want it as soon as CM7 gets on it.
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Same here, I'd pre-order it right now if I knew for sure CM7 could go on it. Hopefully they figure it out soon after release!