Ubuntu "Oneiric Ocelot" is out - Off-topic

So, Ubuntu 11.10 "Oneiric Ocelot" is finally out. I've been using it for about a week now and i like it. I used Ubuntu a couple of years ago (9.04) so i got shocked when i saw the Unity thingy. I hated it so much that i installed Gnome-Shell, and it's the best thing i've done.
Are you planing on installing or testing "Oneiric Ocelot"?

Really? No Ubuntu/Linux users here? At XDA? I'm shocked!

It is?! Awesome!
I plan on using it.
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Hell yeah it is! But you WILL hate Unity (if you've already tried it and love it, then good for you), but overall it's pretty sweet! It's missing some stuff though like Synaptic and other system tools, but it's not really a problem.
But i guess Canonical is trying to make Ubuntu extra "n00b friendly"
Btw, here's an article from Lifehacker about 11.10
http://lifehacker.com/5836779/ubuntu-linux-1110-oneiric-ocelot-released-heres-whats-new?
Video of 11.10 with Gnome Shell:

BazookaAce said:
Hell yeah it is! But you WILL hate Unity (if you've already tried it and love it, then good for you), but overall it's pretty sweet! It's missing some stuff though like Synaptic and other system tools, but it's not really a problem.
But i guess Canonical is trying to make Ubuntu extra "n00b friendly"
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They took out synaptic? Wtf?! It's in 11.04...? I have unity, I like it, and don't yet I don't. It's a love hate relationship.
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Yeah it's in 11.04 but not in 11.10 But i guess you can install it yourself, haven't tried it myself yet. Added video to my previous post btw.

I have no idea how to spell that
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BazookaAce said:
Yeah it's in 11.04 but not in 11.10 But i guess you can install it yourself, haven't tried it myself yet. Added video to my previous post btw.
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You think if I do a apt get dist-upgrade it would remove my synaptic?
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Well it didn't happen when i did it, but my computer crashed last night so i did a fresh install, and then it was gone. But it shouldn't get removed by upgrading through the update manager. Check the "will be removed" part before you hit the upgrade button.

BazookaAce said:
Hell yeah it is! But you WILL hate Unity (i guess Canonical is trying to make Ubuntu extra "n00b friendly"
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Ubuntu.... "n00b friendy"? Sweet!
I'm planning on getting a new internal HD next payday and partitioning it with Windows 7 on one partition and Ubuntu on another. If it wasn't for Visual Studio and all the music software I use (Sony Acid & Sound Forge and Fruity Loops) then I'd probably go all out Linux.
Glad to hear I've selected a good n00b version

Hahah Oh, it's noob friendly! It takes some time getting used to it though, so keep that in mind

I did have a play with a live CD I burnt and found it to play just like Windows, on the surface. I know when it comes to doing anything "under the bonnet" then I've got some learning to do. I've been using PCs long enough to remember when they were just DOS boxes though, so it's probably not going to be anything new - just need to translate current knowledge into new knowledge I guess.
Good to know there's some linuxy types in off-topic for when I shout for help

Yup, but it's actually not that hard. I'm miles away from the super nerds, but as long as you can remember these commands, you'll be just fine:
- sudo apt-get install [package name]
- Example: sudo apt-get install firefox
Done. Firefox is installed.
Want to remove firefox?
- Sudo apt-get remove firefox
Don't know the package name for, lets say, a music player:
- sudo apt-cache search music player
The terminal will list all the packages with "music player" in it with the package name. So if you end up wanting "Banshee", you'll see that the package name is only "banshee". So then you type "sudo apt-get install banshee".
You'll end up saving a lot of time installing and uninstalling apps this way instead of opening the Software Center everytime you want something.
These are my most used commands:
- sudo apt-get install
- sudo apt-get remove
- sudo apt-get install --reinstall [package name] (reinstall an app)
- sudo apt-cache search (search for package)
- sudo apt-get autoremove (removes obsolete packages)
- sudo reboot (reboot)
- sudo poweroff (turn the computer off)

Very nice, thanks
If it's that simple to do things like that from the terminal app then I can see why people use it so much. Imagine trying to do that from a DOS prompt in windows!
rundll32.exe some.dll,FunctionNameIKnowCosIDisassembledSomethingEx "don't know what this parameter is for", filename, -LETTERSTHATMEANNOTHINGTOME
Thanks for that post mate - this thread is most certainly bookmarked.

Thank you very much I'm a super noob with Linux and I didn't know how to install Firefox lol. But this install command is used for .tar.gz files, right?
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Haha, true true! If you feel extra nerdy you can try Arch. I tried it, and the room got hotter by the minute. It was hell.
And btw, i forgot two commands:
- sudo apt-get update (update/reload the repositories)
- sudo apt-get upgrade (will install new updates)
But again, you don't need terminal anymore. You can easily do everything (99%) through the menus.

BazookaAce said:
Haha, true true! If you feel extra nerdy you can try Arch. I tried it, and the room got hotter by the minute. It was hell.
And btw, i forgot two commands:
- sudo apt-get update (update/reload the repositories)
- sudo apt-get upgrade (will install new updates)
But again, you don't need terminal anymore. You can easily do everything (99%) through the menus.
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I like the idea of doing stuff from terminal. Makes me feel more like Neo

idavid_ said:
Thank you very much I'm a super noob with Linux and I didn't know how to install Firefox lol. But this install command is used for .tar.gz files, right?
Sent from my HTC Sensation Z710e
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Oh, the tar.gz. If you're a noob (i'm still a noob), then stay away from the tar.gz You'll need to compile the package yourself using the terminal, and that's not that easy, so just try to download .deb files (same as .exe - in other words "double click and install")
But when you want to install Firefox or whatever you're downloading them from a repository, so the only thing the terminal needs to know is what you want to do (apt-get install/remove/reinstall) and the package name (firefox/opera/banshee/wine etc.).

BazookaAce said:
Oh, the tar.gz. If you're a noob (i'm still a noob), then stay away from the tar.gz You'll need to compile the package yourself using the terminal, and that's not that easy, so just try to download .deb files (same as .exe - in other words "double click and install")
But when you want to install Firefox or whatever you're downloading them from a repository, so the only thing the terminal needs to know is what you want to do (apt-get install/remove/reinstall) and the package name (firefox/opera/banshee/wine etc.).
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i only used one line command and that's it
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johncmolyneux said:
I like the idea of doing stuff from terminal. Makes me feel more like Neo
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agreed, and it's easier to use the terminal than checking the menus one by one

hiu115 said:
i only used one line command and that's
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[Dev Only] Lets Get a Fully working version of Jaunty Starting With apt-get

OK now that the first hard part is over (getting Webtop running with out dock) now its time to push this to the limits ... I am Currently working on getting apt-get installed and running on Jaunty ... I would love to get some help with all this, obviousy this wont replace my laptop or Desktop, but it would be nice to know that anywhere i am i have a fully function linux machine in my pocket... so lets keep up the good work and push forward, CHARGE !!!
FIRST try and fail... prayed it would be as easy as pushing apt-get to /system/bin and executing ... it was not ... well not with this try anyhow getting a apt-get: cannot execute binary file error
Open a second adb shell and monitor dmesg | grep TOMOYO to see if the MAC is preventing you from executing files not listed in the policy. I had to muck around with it earlier today to get it to run lxterminal.
agentdr8 said:
Open a second adb shell and monitor dmesg | grep TOMOYO to see if the MAC is preventing you from executing files not listed in the policy. I had to muck around with it earlier today to get it to run lxterminal.
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will do !! first thing im doing right now is installing a virtual machine jaunty on my machine to compare and test with figure that will be the most helpful !!
Anyone working on this, be very careful, as the default adbd location is in /sbin, which symlinks to /osh/sbin.
Its possible to use adb to interact with the webtop, its probably easier for these initial command line stages too.
t0dbld said:
FIRST try and fail... prayed it would be as easy as pushing apt-get to /system/bin and executing ... it was not ... well not with this try anyhow getting a apt-get: cannot execute binary file error
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Why did you have to push apt-get to the box? apt and dpkg are already there.
I had this earlier, but reverted due to problems (I tried to uninstall rootfs). The first thing that needs to be taken care of is missing package dependencies, and file collisions. The package rootfs provides the functionality of the packages that are missing, but apt doesn't know that.
Also, consider moving /usr to the /data partition to save space. /osh is pretty cramped as is, and resolving the dependencies will fill it up pretty quickly.
droidbird said:
Why did you have to push apt-get to the box? apt and dpkg are already there.
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I saw a dpkg something cant rmember but wasnt the same thing i see no apt-get either. Also even when running in root apt-get did not exist i used echo $PATH Folowed it and did not see any apt files. If i am wrong and you kniw of there existence and how to make them execute please inform us all as if we have a working apt-get well its all but over
t0dbld said:
I saw a dpkg something cant rmember but wasnt the same thing i see no apt-get either. Also even when running in root apt-get did not exist i used echo $PATH Folowed it and did not see any apt files. If i am wrong and you kniw of there existence and how to make them execute please inform us all as if we have a working apt-get well its all but over
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it's already there:
Code:
[email protected]:/osh/usr/bin# ./apt-get moo
./apt-get moo
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(oo)
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...."Have you mooed today?"...
but /osh/etc/apt/sources.list has garbage mirrors listed... They point to 10.77.32.150, which is obviously not a real IP. You could try commenting out what's in there and add in a working jaunty repo.
If you're going to use dpkg to install .debs manually, remember that they'll need to be compiled for arm processors.
Unfortunately my PC monitor doesn't do HDMI, so I can't run webtop right now. I'll play around more tomorrow when I can hook up my atrix to the TV
t0dbld said:
I saw a dpkg something cant rmember but wasnt the same thing i see no apt-get either. Also even when running in root apt-get did not exist i used echo $PATH Folowed it and did not see any apt files. If i am wrong and you kniw of there existence and how to make them execute please inform us all as if we have a working apt-get well its all but over
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Apt and dpkg have been verified in this forum to be there for a week, search gets us that as well as some of the dependency issues.
Think about what you are suggesting
Be mindful that when pointing people down the road of running apt and dpkg that the very first thing they should have is a way to recover to stock. It is quite possible and likely that running apt-get or dpkg that you may twiddle some bits on your /osh partition that make webtop fail or unusable.
Have a backout method
At minimum, I would grab a dd of your /osh partition or one from here in the forums and keep it around. In addition, I would suggest you have a way to execute dd (if that is the route you choose to go for backup) outside of the /osh partion in the event you screw /osh up and need to dd back the old working /osh. Is the dd in /bin statically linked? If so, then the plan can be as easy as copying dd to some other partition where it can be executed from. If it is not static, you need one that is or a runtime environment where it can execute.
Have a plan
Why are we trying to get apt working? Is there some goal besides filling up /osh's remaining 77MB of space?
I'll start with a couple of options:
We want a working apt so we can install a less heavy browser than firefox.
We want to be able to replace the awn launcher with something snappier and that does not require compositing, again lowering memory usage and increasing performance.
A working dependency resolving package manager is "the right thing(tm)" to do as opposed to running around with zip files. Zip file are no way to keep a working system.
Exploring and discovering is cool and very fun, but either heading that direction or suggesting others do without a plan is to invite disaster.
If you change sources.lst, please make sure you use ARM repos and not x86 repos. X86 software will break the Webtop if you load it.
For anyone that wants to try, here is the correct repo to use:
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deb http://ports.ubuntu.com/ jaunty main security universe multiverse restricted
Always make sure /osh can mount on boot, and that /osh/sbin/adbd remains intact. Without it, you have no way of recovering
perkz said:
it's already there:
Code:
[email protected]:/osh/usr/bin# ./apt-get moo
./apt-get moo
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(oo)
/------\/
/ | ||
* /\---/\
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...."Have you mooed today?"...
but /osh/etc/apt/sources.list has garbage mirrors listed... They point to 10.77.32.150, which is obviously not a real IP. You could try commenting out what's in there and add in a working jaunty repo.
If you're going to use dpkg to install .debs manually, remember that they'll need to be compiled for arm processors.
Unfortunately my PC monitor doesn't do HDMI, so I can't run webtop right now. I'll play around more tomorrow when I can hook up my atrix to the TV
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well i stand corrected, thank you sir.... although mine doesn't execute, still the same error:
./apt-get: cannot execute binary file
Are you sure you were in /usr/bin when you ran ./apt-get since you were specifiying that it execute from the current directory? Failing that, were you root and/or you might need to adjust your TOMOYO settings, but mine executes just fine as root as long as it is in the path and my /osh is fairly stock outside of the TOMOYO settings I have mucked with and a couple of other changes like adding a password for adas. If you still have problems, can you reload your /osh and start fresh?
i was in right dir , i am reboot it all now and will start over
Suggestion to anyone working this, take a dd copy of /dev/block/mmcblk0p13, and use losetup to mount it on /osh when experimenting.
Edit: the kernel lacks a loop device, working on that now.
t0dbld said:
OK now that the first hard part is over (getting Webtop running with out dock) now its time to push this to the limits ... I am Currently working on getting apt-get installed and running on Jaunty ... I would love to get some help with all this, obviousy this wont replace my laptop or Desktop, but it would be nice to know that anywhere i am i have a fully function linux machine in my pocket... so lets keep up the good work and push forward, CHARGE !!!
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When you say " but it would be nice to know that anywhere i am i have a fully function linux machine in my pocket" do you mean being able to run Jaunty on just the phone itself, not hooked up to a dock? Or do you mean hooked up to a dock, just Jaunty replacing Webtop?
BravoMotorola said:
When you say " but it would be nice to know that anywhere i am i have a fully function linux machine in my pocket" do you mean being able to run Jaunty on just the phone itself, not hooked up to a dock? Or do you mean hooked up to a dock, just Jaunty replacing Webtop?
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well i dont own a dock but i do not plan on running jaunty on a 4" screen
t0dbld said:
well i dont own a dock but i do not plan on running jaunty on a 4" screen
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Yea thats what I thought. That would be sweet though. People think I'm crazy when I run Win95 on my phone, I think it's awesome though. So Jaunty or just Webtop IMO would be REALLY awesome to run on the little 4 inch screen! But most people just think it's a stupid, and pointless idea
shawnbuck said:
Suggestion to anyone working this, take a dd copy of /dev/block/mmcblk0p13, and use losetup to mount it on /osh when experimenting.
Edit: the kernel lacks a loop device, working on that now.
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The loop devices are in /dev/block/loop[X].

[GUIDE] How to get Ubuntu on the TouchPad

First off this is completely from Rennat over at PreCentral
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TUTORIAL: How to get the UbuntuChroot up and running for your HP TouchPad
Intro:
UbuntuChroot is the raw Ubuntu terminal without the familiar GNOME graphical interface that all have come to think of Ubuntu. With this installed, you will be able to install ubuntu programs and launch them with in the terminal card.
To do this, the basic rundown will be making a new WebOS Doctor that has a separete partition of memory for Ubuntu to run with in. Then we will install it on your TouchPad and mount that partition so it will be able to be used after a reboot of the device. Lastly, we will install Xecutah, XServer, and UbuntuChroot from Preware and boot up Ubuntu on your TouchPad.
Both credit and Props go to WebOS Internals for making this possible and putting in all the hard work they have to make it as easy as it is.
Warnings:
I nor WebOS Internals take no responsibility over what may happen to your device. If you follow these instructions it 'should' work perfectly. If you do endup messing something up you 'should' be able to just doctor the device using the stock WebOS Doctor from HP.
Step Zero:
- I have provided 2 different ways to set your device up to install the UbuntuChroot onto your device; use the meta-doctor and create your own doctor (Step 1-A) or do as Step 1-B says and contact my army of monkeys for an easier alternitive that won't take forever.
##You my want to backup app data and the like using Save/Restore in Preware as you will lose all your data buy installing a WebOS Doctor. Please do so! And done hesitate to ask questions.
Step 1-A: Creating a WebOS Doctor
- We will be using the Meta Doctor to create a special WebOS Doctor that will create a 2GB (or more if you wish to do so) partition in /media/ext3fs/ were Ubuntu will be.
- Use the WebOS Internals Guide to installing and running the Meta Doctor. In Step 2 you will have to rename you downloaded webOS doctor to the name of the Bell Mobility doctor they have under Step 2'3 (webosdoctorp100ewwbellmo.jar) go ahead and add the webOS version after it like it advises.
- In Step 2'6, if you are using a Wifi Only TouchPad you will be using the last one which has touchpad for device and WiFi all for the carrier.
- Once the Meta Doctor is done, run the Web's Doctor it created under the 'builds' folder. And setup your device.
Step 1-B: Contacting My Army of Monkeys
- If you are having trouble with or are intimidated by Step 1-A go ahead and contact my army of monkeys at [email protected]. Simple.
Step 2: Mounting the new ext3fc partition on bootup
- Now before we continue we have to make sure we have the partition fully setup and mounted on bootup. To do this follow the below WebOS Internals instructions.
All of this is done on device either via novaterm or an SSH login. (simpler terms mean use WebOS Quick install by connecting you device, opening WebOSQuickInstall, and click Tools-Command Line.) If your device does NOT have a folder at /media/ext3fs then you will need to create it first. Use the following two commands:
Code:
mount -o remount,rw /
mkdir -p /media/ext3fs
it is important that you use /media/ext3fs as the location, otherwise some homebrew applications (such as Optware and the Ubuntu 11.04 Chroot) will not be able to find it and use it properly.
After you have created the mountpoint, we are going to edit the fstab file to set it up to mount at bootup.
Code:
mount -o remount,rw /
echo "/dev/mapper/store-ext3fs /media/ext3fs ext3 noatime,data=writeback 0 0" >> /etc/fstab
Now to get it mounted you have several options, the best one is the first command as it will use the data in /etc/fstab. If that works, then you have done this correctly and your ext3fs will mount at bootup.
Code:
mount -a
If you do not want it mounted at bootup, but you do need it mounted, you can use this command.
Code:
mount /dev/mapper/store-ext3fs /media/ext3fs
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Step 3: Adding Testing Feeds
- Follow these WebOS Internals Instructions to add the Testing Feeds.
NOTE: These are edited slightly and will only work on a Wifi only TouchPad.
- Open Preware and wait for it to finish loading.
- Open the App Menu (tap "Preware" in the top left corner of the screen) and tap Manage feeds.
- Scroll to the bottom until you see the New Feed box.
- Type or paste a name (webos-testing-armv7) and URL (Right Click - Copy Address) sure the URL does *not* have a slash at the end.
- Make sure the IS COMPRESSED option is set to YES.
- Tap Add Feed and then tap Yes when the alert pops up.
- Gesture swipe back. Preware will alert you that you have added feeds and ask if you want to update them now. Choose YES.
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Step 4: Installing UbuntuChroot, Xecutah, and XServer
- Open up Preware and tap List Of Everything.
- Search for and install the following: UbuntuChroot, Xecutah, and XServer
- Now opened Xecutah and tap XServer and a new card will come up.
- Go back to Xecutah and tap UbuntuChroot. Then swipe back to the new card that came up.
- Now you should have the Ubuntu terminal. Done. It should have a few 'mount' commands and then the @Touchpad:
Step 5: Installing Programs
- Now to have some fun after all that work you put in!
- Type the below and it will update the program lists.
Code:
apt-get update
- Now type the following to install what ever you wish!
Code:
/***type the below for AbiWord
apt-get install abiword
/***type the below for the Chromium Browser
apt-get install chromium-browser
/***type the below for GIMP
apt-get install gimp
/***type the below for Eclipse
apt-get install eclipse
/**type the below for LibreOffice
apt-get install LibreOffice
/***type the below for LXDE (a windows graphical interface) and then launch it by typing lxsession.
apt-get install lxde
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agian from precentral enjoy guys
Mods please move to there thread i was in a rush (dead battery) and put it in the wrong forum
Does anything else besides chromium, abiword, eclipse, libreoffice, lxde and gimp work?
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Does anything else besides chromium, abiword, eclipse, libreoffice, lxde and gimp work?
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anything you can compile for ARM or want to compile for ARM. there is a apt repository.
You could also find a complete guide to install Ubuntu Linux on HP TouchPad here
same thing
XDAnoobr said:
You could also find a complete guide to install Ubuntu Linux on HP TouchPad here
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agian that is only for Chroot which is the exact same thing
Works great, now I have lxde on my touchpad.
able to get ubuntu chroot working properly, with libreoffice
now, hunting for a Bluetooth Keyboard
any one going to test if BT Mouses work? (yeah, i know theres a touchscreen)
Is multi-touch supported on this?
what version of libreoffice does it install the latest one? And if anyone has installed it the ubuntu laggy or is it normal.
harsh3090416 said:
what version of libreoffice does it install the latest one? And if anyone has installed it the ubuntu laggy or is it normal.
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a little laggy sometimes, but still usable most of the time without any problems
libreoffice 3.3.2... you should probably check the ubuntu ARM 11.04 repository to see what is there
top says 1gb ram, 0.90gb used.... not sure why......
EDIT: Tried pairing a BT Mouse... able to find the device via "BT->Search other", but unable to pair properly. Mouse said paired successful, but touchpad couldnt continue, kept searching for devices
Tried "BT->Search Keyboard", but couldnt find the mouse this way
Now they have Debian chroot. Works great as well. Both can coexist at once. All it is is a folder at /media/extfs
Btw, has anyone gotten gnome working? I keep getting segmentation faults.
Is there a way to make that partition without meta doctor?
DJGonzo said:
Is there a way to make that partition without meta doctor?
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metadoctor makes a partition
you could loop a filesystem ontop of the existing partition to avoid this issue, but the page below recommends against it
http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Chrooting
mount: mounting /dev/mapper/store-ext3fs on /media/ext3fs failed: No such file o
r directory
Why am i getting this error when trying to mount? It's really ticking me off as I haven't done anything different from the instructions.
I just spent an hour redoing the whole thing and guess what... i'm pissed off
same ****
samvillian said:
mount: mounting /dev/mapper/store-ext3fs on /media/ext3fs failed: No such file o
r directory
Why am i getting this error when trying to mount? It's really ticking me off as I haven't done anything different from the instructions.
I just spent an hour redoing the whole thing and guess what... i'm pissed off
same ****
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looks like you didn't do metadoctor properly,
or you didn't make the /media/ext3fs directory,
or "mount -o remount,rw" didn't execute properly
1st problem: your touchpad should have around 10GB free(out of 16GB, or do the math if you have a 32/64gb)
2nd problem: go back to cmd prompt and check that /media/ext3fs exists
3rd problem: reinstall via webos doctor and do it again
kevina90 said:
Now they have Debian chroot. Works great as well. Both can coexist at once. All it is is a folder at /media/extfs
Btw, has anyone gotten gnome working? I keep getting segmentation faults.
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Sorry, this is off topic. I'm sure Android will get here, but I really want to use my Touchpad (I haven't done much because I figured everything would get wiped anyway this weekend), so I think I'm going to give Linux a go. My understanding of Linux is rather crap. I thought Linux was the OS, and Ubuntu and other things were just GUIs to make it easier for people unfamiliar with command line. How could Debian simultaneously coexist?
I know I could go to wikipedia and look around and try to understand it, but by chance does anyone know any website that kinda describes Linux to beginners? I don't just want to follow the directions step by step on the guide (although its brilliant, looks very easy)without having the slightest effin idea what everything is, you know? Its weird, Linux confuses me, I don't know why. I've used ubuntu a number of times but it's just browsing firefox, not exactly rocket science!
Thanks if you can easily give link and press send then thanks but don't go out of your way, I can find something eventually, but I don't want someone else mucking around for my sake. Its no emergency.
Komodo Rogue said:
Sorry, this is off topic. I'm sure Android will get here, but I really want to use my Touchpad (I haven't done much because I figured everything would get wiped anyway this weekend), so I think I'm going to give Linux a go. My understanding of Linux is rather crap. I thought Linux was the OS, and Ubuntu and other things were just GUIs to make it easier for people unfamiliar with command line. How could Debian simultaneously coexist?
I know I could go to wikipedia and look around and try to understand it, but by chance does anyone know any website that kinda describes Linux to beginners? I don't just want to follow the directions step by step on the guide (although its brilliant, looks very easy)without having the slightest effin idea what everything is, you know? Its weird, Linux confuses me, I don't know why. I've used ubuntu a number of times but it's just browsing firefox, not exactly rocket science!
Thanks if you can easily give link and press send then thanks but don't go out of your way, I can find something eventually, but I don't want someone else mucking around for my sake. Its no emergency.
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I would just find a book on amazon about linux with good reviews made in the past 1-2 years. I would look for one that is distribution neutral.
The reason you can have webos on there and another version of linux is because it's basically installed in another partition (not really, but that's the easiest way I can describe it to you). The actual details of how chroot works are different, but that should relate enough to you to get what it it is.
Linux is the Kernel. Debian, Ubuntu, Fedora and the rest are distributions of that kernel along with a GUI, and programs to make it a fully functional OS like Windows or OS X.
The Debian and Ubuntu on WebOS is minimal pared down distribution with no gui.
I just went thru all the steps , contacting the army of monkeys, and installed all the preware stuff.
I get Service Error Unable to run command : /sbin/initctl start org.webinternals.debian-squeeze etc etc
Unknown job org.webosinternals.debian-squeeze-chroot.
I got this with the Ubuntu chroot too. any ideas?
paperWastage said:
looks like you didn't do metadoctor properly,
or you didn't make the /media/ext3fs directory,
or "mount -o remount,rw" didn't execute properly
1st problem: your touchpad should have around 10GB free(out of 16GB, or do the math if you have a 32/64gb)
2nd problem: go back to cmd prompt and check that /media/ext3fs exists
3rd problem: reinstall via webos doctor and do it again
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I've redone webos doctor like 4 times already.
How do I check if the directory exists? Plus i'm on a fresh 32gb, so its not that.
thanks
edit: i tested to see if the directories existed and i found a possible error.
i just cd to the folder to see if it exists, and media/ext3fs existed.
but the /dev/mapper/store-ext3fs doesn't exist apparently...
would that be the issue?

[GUIDE]BackTrack 5 Chroot (Backtop2)

[Project dormant unless someone else picks it up]
NOTE: This is a chroot for the Webtop, not the Android+VNC chroot method.
Hi everyone, this is my first guide (I'm not sure I can call it that yet, or if this is in the right section) so bear with me.
I tried the Debian chroot guide (http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1093790), and I really liked the idea, but I had too many apt-get issues and it often crashed my Webtop, so I tried building my own Ubuntu Lucid chroot using rootstock, but internet didn't work.
I later saw this: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1184161, but the links were dead and the scripts it referenced were out of date. I'll sort of combine the two guides here since Backtrack actually works surprisingly well.
Just on a side note though, I haven't fully tested the Backtrack tools, but the only thing I haven't found to work are the wireless tools.
Let's start!
Required:
-Rooted Atrix (with Blur based ROM)
-LXTerminal installed on Webtop
-Enough free space (around 4 GB just for room)
-7-Zip
-Some Linux/Unix distro native or in a VM
1. Install the easy-signed.zip from the Debian chroot guide:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1093790
but the other files aren't needed.
Make a folder called WebTopMOD (case-sensitive) on either external or internal memory for later.
2. Look here for reference: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1184161, but the links are dead. Active links are here:
Part 1: http://www.mediafire.com/?x9cgxzdx84vc6uj
Part 2: http://www.mediafire.com/?xaoidipkg1o7vgo
Part 3: http://www.mediafire.com/?po3nznbxgvdipur
Use 7-Zip to uncompress the three files (called bt.7z.001,002,003) and you'll get a bt.img.
Full bt.img in a zip:
DL from Mega or from Google Drive
3. The image isn't usable in this state yet, since the image is formatted with ext2, and we need ext3.
Copy the image over to your Linux VM or computer on a easy-to-find directory, and open up a Terminal window (usually CTRL+ALT+T).
In Terminal, type this in:
Code:
cd <directory where you put bt.img>
mkdir tmp tmpbt
sudo mount -o loop bt.img tmpbt
dd if=/dev/zero of=linuxdisk count=0 bs=1MB seek=4096 (This is the size of the chroot image you want, in MB)
mkfs.ext3 linuxdisk (just type y when it asks)
sudo mount -o loop linuxdisk tmp
sudo cp -rf tmpbt/* tmp
sudo umount tmp
sudo umount tmpbt
[Sorry, made a mistake twice] Copy the newly made linuxdisk file to a directory named WebTopMOD on your internal memory or sdcard-ext (folder and file names are case-sensitive).
4. Start Webtop, then open LXTerminal, then start the chroot by typing in:
Code:
/usr/sbin/linux
and after it loads for a bit, you'll get an xterm window with the shell for Backtrack!
If you want to quit the Gnome session, closing xterm doesn't work, since by issuing the commands to kill the webtop processes, it also kills the webtop window manager, and if you do close it there's some kind of weird glitch with a small popup window constantly disappearing and reappearing. (It'll be a WIP for now I guess, the only full solution is to reboot your Atrix). It seems to have to do with the way the linux command mounts the chroot disk under loop50, I'll try and make something to fix this later.
-----------------Extras moved below-----------------------
Pictures:
Chromium Running
BT Desktop (Gnome)
BT Desktop with AIW
THANKS TO:
k.taylor89 for the original Backtop Method
SystemR89 for the Debian chroot and scripts to make this work
The original developers of the Backtop chroot image
And any others I may have forgotten!
Extras:
If you want a GUI (Gnome):
k.taylor89 said:
You first need to kill off all the webtop crap do this by typing the following in xterm.
"ps ax|grep awn|awk '{print $1}'|xargs kill"
"ps ax|grep panel|awk '{print $1}'|xargs kill"
Then start gnome by typing "gnome-session" in xterm.
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If you want to take it step further and start Gnome after bootup, this isn't a full solution yet but you could edit your start-oshwt-1.sh and 2 scripts so that the chroot automatically starts on bootup without anything else in Webtop, and from there start gnome-session. I'm testing that now.
Installing Apps:
Since this is based off of Ubuntu Lucid, you can install anything from the Lucid repos, you just have to fix the sources list since the Backtrack sources don't seem to work.
Code:
sudo cp /etc/apt/sources.list /etc/apt/sources.list.old (Backup just in case)
sudo nano -w /etc/apt/sources.list
Comment out (#) any line with the backtrack servers, and uncomment any line with the Ubuntu repos.
Press Control+X, Y, then Enter, then run apt-get update to update the repos.
Apps like Chromium install and run without a hassle (just run apt-get install chromium-browser), but I actually get the error "Bus error" for some reason when Chromium remains idle, it seems to be an unsolved bug in the version of Chromium for armel devices in the Lucid repos, if anyone else has a fix, please do tell.
First.
I think its only for lapdock ..........
3n3rg1c said:
First.
I think its only for lapdock ..........
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Oh sorry yeah I forgot to mention that. I mean I guess if you have the mod that lets you use Webtop anywhere, that'll work too.
Hi,
The "Part 3: http://www.mediafire.com/?po3nznbxgvdipu" doesn't work.
Could you fix it.
Thank you.
sintoo said:
Hi,
The "Part 3: http://www.mediafire.com/?po3nznbxgvdipu" doesn't work.
Could you fix it.
Thank you.
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Oh sorry I copied the link incorrectly, updated in OP.
i've gotten it running on my ubuntop model, when i ran it from the terminal it would not give me any issues when closing it back up. is there a way to only launch the gnome panel? running: gnome-panel in the terminal didn't work
etruj said:
i've gotten it running on my ubuntop model, when i ran it from the terminal it would not give me any issues when closing it back up. is there a way to only launch the gnome panel? running: gnome-panel in the terminal didn't work
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I'm not sure if there is a way to start just gnome panel because of the way the chroot is implemented, since to run gnome-panel, an X session must already be running within the chroot and I need to figure that out.
My first two times i lUnched the session the wallpaper would flicker and then just the panels would come up. Now i get hit with the errors and loop pop ups. Maybe there is a way to launch the session then kill everything but the panel?
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etruj said:
My first two times i lUnched the session the wallpaper would flicker and then just the panels would come up. Now i get hit with the errors and loop pop ups. Maybe there is a way to launch the session then kill everything but the panel?
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The workaround I found worked so far was to modify the start-oshwt-2 script so that it would run a very slightly modified version of the script that automatically starts gnome-session (gnome-panel alone is really stubborn, still haven't figured that out) and doesn't start whatever window manager in WebTop to avoid flickering errors and panel only errors (but of course you don't have access to anything from the actual WebTop, but you could also have start-oshwt open a Terminal window from WebTop too).
Can you attach the script?
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etruj said:
Can you attach the script?
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Just rename it to linux, and copy it to wherever you like on your Atrix. You can also copy it to a directory within your terminal path.
This isn't my script, it's from the Debian chroot, just modified to automatically start gnome-session (credit to SystemR89)
You might need to chmod +x the file.
Also, if you want to start it automatically from start-oshwt-2.sh, make sure you copy the file to a directory within the terminal path, and add the line
Code:
sfalv -i "linux"
and comment out any other line that starts a different X window manager.
running "sudo gnome-panel" gives me the panel while staying inside the original ubuntop. i think i can just swap out that one line in your script to get it working. thanks! also noticed my chrome crashes after a few minutes, ill post the error code and screen grabs soon but was wondering if you ever experienced anything like it?
etruj said:
running "sudo gnome-panel" gives me the panel while staying inside the original ubuntop. i think i can just swap out that one line in your script to get it working. thanks! also noticed my chrome crashes after a few minutes, ill post the error code and screen grabs soon but was wondering if you ever experienced anything like it?
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Yes, in fact. It's a bus error, and I tried to fix it, but the fix doesn't work (and it only seems to affect Chromium).
Sorry for bumping such an old thread, but I was wondering if anyone wanted to take this project over, since I don't have an Atrix anymore and don't have anything to work with.
Thanks.

How To Use ADB Without SDK

Hello Everyone.
Let me just start by saying I AM NOT a developer and do not take credit for this information. Just did some Googling and came across it and I haven't really seen this in the forum here and I really found it useful. It is a link to an article with instructions on how to set up ADB without the massive developer download that comes packaged with the standard Android SDK. Written by Lalit Indoria on the "Hack My Android" site.
Basically it allows you to easily run ADB commands without ANY complicated set up. Remember you will still need the proper drivers for your device and always follow instructions so you don't bork anything up. I followed this to both flash the new 4.4 image and also root my Nexus 4. With it being the weekend I don't suspect we will get any OTA until Monday at the earliest so for those of us that are growing ever impatient.. here you go. Enjoy. :good:
http://www.hackmyandroid.com/use-adb-fastboot-commands-without-installing-android-sdk/2479
Also on recent debian distributions (currently debian jessie - testing - and debian sid - unstable), or ubuntu quantal and newer, you can simply install adb and fastboot by installing a few packages:
Code:
sudo apt-get install android-tools-adb android-tools-fastboot
jcnbama said:
Hello Everyone.
Let me just start by saying I AM NOT a developer and do not take credit for this information. Just did some Googling and came across it and I haven't really seen this in the forum here and I really found it useful. It is a link to an article with instructions on how to set up ADB without the massive developer download that comes packaged with the standard Android SDK. Written by Lalit Indoria on the "Hack My Android" site.
Basically it allows you to easily run ADB commands without ANY complicated set up. Remember you will still need the proper drivers for your device and always follow instructions so you don't bork anything up. I followed this to both flash the new 4.4 image and also root my Nexus 4. With it being the weekend I don't suspect we will get any OTA until Monday at the earliest so for those of us that are growing ever impatient.. here you go. Enjoy. :good:
http://www.hackmyandroid.com/use-adb-fastboot-commands-without-installing-android-sdk/2479
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Mini-adb comes with adb.exe, fastboot.exe and two adb .dlls needed to run adb in windows. So basically to run adb all that is required is 3 files. Also fastboot doesn't require anything except the executable. Mini-adb has been out there for about 2 years that I know of on androidforums.
fredericve said:
Also on recent debian distributions (currently debian jessie - testing - and debian sid - unstable), or ubuntu quantal and newer, you can simply install adb and fastboot by installing a few packages:
Code:
sudo apt-get install android-tools-adb android-tools-fastboot
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If you do that, you also need to do step 1 from here: http://bernaerts.dyndns.org/linux/74-ubuntu/245-ubuntu-precise-install-android-sdk
You can install the Wugs nexus toolkit. It has all the features you need.
eksasol said:
If you do that, you also need to do step 1 from here: http://bernaerts.dyndns.org/linux/74-ubuntu/245-ubuntu-precise-install-android-sdk
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That was not necessary on my debian Sid install. Yesterday I simply installed the packages, Co nected my nexus 7 and used adb sideload to flash the kitkat ota.
The steps seem to apply to Ubuntu precise. Maybe it is not necessary in newer versions.

PclinuxOS

Thinking of installing the latest PCLinuxOs on my laptop.
One question, does it play nice when it comes to adb commands, connecting etc for flashing roms and such?
I'll probably dual boot with Windoze anyway so it's not super important.
Thanks.
maritimesbob said:
Thinking of installing the latest PCLinuxOs on my laptop.
One question, does it play nice when it comes to adb commands, connecting etc for flashing roms and such?
I'll probably dual boot with Windoze anyway so it's not super important.
Thanks.
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Linux will do much better than windows for this kind of stuff! :good:
Btw your thread is off topic here (not related to the Htc one)
It kind of was, I have an M7 but anyway, thanks for the info. Just curious if PClinuxOS came with adb or was easily installed. I'll google around.
maritimesbob said:
It kind of was, I have an M7 but anyway, thanks for the info. Just curious if PClinuxOS came with adb or was easily installed. I'll google around.
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Take a look here
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=54272479
maritimesbob said:
It kind of was, I have an M7 but anyway, thanks for the info. Just curious if PClinuxOS came with adb or was easily installed. I'll google around.
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adb can be installed easily on linux using
Code:
sudo add-apt-repository ppa:phablet-team/tools && sudo apt-get update
sudo apt-get install android-tools-adb android-tools-fastboot
should be the same on "PClinuxOS". I never tried that distro, always used ubuntu.
You can also get the linux android sdk package from developer.android.com:
http://developer.android.com/sdk/index.html#download
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