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Unofficial nightlies?????????????

I dunno I seem to remember there being Nightly's and stable releases. Now we have Unofficial Nightly's. Why? This isnt going to continue is it? Eventually we will get back to just Nightly's and Stable right? Not that its a big deal just seems unnecessary.
As I look through the threads I see there are a good number of people running these Unoffical Nightlys so maybe someone can explain to me the difference between Official and Unofficial. Are they that bad that they cant be official? If they are that bad why are so many people running them? Seems to reason that the unofficial is stable enough so cant we just make them official for god sakes. I mean really whats the worst that can happen? Its not like Cyanogen is going to be sued. Its already assumed that official nightlys are not going to be stable so whats the problem?

Official is being built by the Cyanogen servers and released at their discretion. The unofficials are users creating their own builds (usually with modifications) and being released separately.
That being said, CM7 has been in development for a while so there are both nightlies and stable releases. CM9 is still in early development, and Cyanogen team hasn't been releasing nightlies yet. The ones you see are users releasing it on their own.

You're either not very smart or a terrible reader. Unofficial simply means private individuals are taking it upon themselves to regularly post private builds that they made themselves, for others to take for a test drive. Official builds would come directly from CM, which has not happened yet.
Get a clue.

Perhaps your highness would be kind and gracious enough to direct us to a place where we could read that explanation (assuming, of course, that we can read such lofty material)..
Tongue firmly in cheek.. but.. hey Dude.. lighten up.

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You're either not very smart or a terrible reader. Unofficial simply means private individuals are taking it upon themselves to regularly post private builds that they made themselves, for others to take for a test drive. Official builds would come directly from CM, which has not happened yet.
Get a clue.
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Yep those are the only two possible reasons for me not knowing whats going on.

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I dunno I seem to remember there being Nightly's and stable releases. Now we have Unofficial Nightly's. Why? This isnt going to continue is it? Eventually we will get back to just Nightly's and Stable right? Not that its a big deal just seems unnecessary.
As I look through the threads I see there are a good number of people running these Unoffical Nightlys so maybe someone can explain to me the difference between Official and Unofficial. Are they that bad that they cant be official? If they are that bad why are so many people running them? Seems to reason that the unofficial is stable enough so cant we just make them official for god sakes. I mean really whats the worst that can happen? Its not like Cyanogen is going to be sued. Its already assumed that official nightlys are not going to be stable so whats the problem?
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I'm kind of confused due to your confusion
What "Unofficial Nightly's" and "Official Nightly's" you are seeing?
Don't tell me that you are confusing the Official Nightly's of CM7 and the Unofficial Nightly's of CM9.
Two different things.

Im sorry! Im trying to keep up with the development of the Nook Color, HTC Droid Eris, and the Galaxy Nexus and I lost it. LOL Not too mention my search for the perfect router to finally rid me of that god awful Linksys WRT54GS combined with the overkill Smoothwall finally ended. My home network has been in shambles till recently. Again I apologize. Its purely my mixup and clearly nothing to do with the information provided at XDA. I just needed to search a bit more. Or I could have asked like I did here but maybe in a more positive tone. Im sorry for that as well.
So I recently purchased the GNEX and I love ICS. OMG I cant tell you how nice it is to finally have a proper smart phone with polished Android Goodness. I want the same for my Nook. From what ive read so far the "Unofficial Builds" seem to run pretty good. Users reporting it runs as good as CM7. Is this true? I mainly use my Nook for watching Netflix and Hulu. I do some light browsing as well. Would the latest build work well enough for me to hop in now?
Thanks for your help and understanding!

I don't know how far but CM9 is far from stable as CM7

IFLATLINEI said:
Im sorry! Im trying to keep up with the development of the Nook Color, HTC Droid Eris, and the Galaxy Nexus and I lost it. LOL Not too mention my search for the perfect router to finally rid me of that god awful Linksys WRT54GS combined with the overkill Smoothwall finally ended. My home network has been in shambles till recently. Again I apologize. Its purely my mixup and clearly nothing to do with the information provided at XDA. I just needed to search a bit more. Or I could have asked like I did here but maybe in a more positive tone. Im sorry for that as well.
So I recently purchased the GNEX and I love ICS. OMG I cant tell you how nice it is to finally have a proper smart phone with polished Android Goodness. I want the same for my Nook. From what ive read so far the "Unofficial Builds" seem to run pretty good. Users reporting it runs as good as CM7. Is this true? I mainly use my Nook for watching Netflix and Hulu. I do some light browsing as well. Would the latest build work well enough for me to hop in now?
Thanks for your help and understanding!
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Awesome. Reading comprehension skills FTW.
CM9 is nice. Personally, I'd wait for solid wifi and any true resolution on HW accel.

CM7 had 'official' stable releases and 'official' nightlies built by the CyanogenMod automated build process. The last stable was 7.1 but there were nightlies after that which continued to fix some remaining problems.
Back in mid November 2011 the build process suffered from some hardware failures and the nightlies stopped appearing. At the same time ICS was being released and the devs switched their attention to that (CM9) and, although the build process got repaired, the CM7 nightlies were never restarted.
There were some outstanding issues in CM7 that had got fixed but never built by the official process into either a stable or a nightly. That is where the 'unofficial' builds stepped in and built new ROMS from the source incorporating the latest fixes and including some other improvements. The most common of these is the MiRaGe build found in the thread in development and that has been very stable, gives great performance and is often referred to as 7.2
CM9 is effectively still in an alpha form and does not have official nightlies or 'stables' yet. The developers did encourage people to learn how to build ROMS from the source and some have now made these 'unofficial' nightlies available.
Some find these unofficial CM9 nightlies good and stable enough for daily use; I am one. There are trade offs; the CM7 ROMS are generally a bit snappier in performance and there are one or two limitations in CM9 functionality (e.g. hw video acceleration) but this is balanced by a significantly nicer user interface and functionality in CM9. You just choose based on what is important to you.
Nandroid backups are always your friend and allows you try out various options at low risk and just a few minutes to fully restore to a former point.

Thanks for the summary and info.
But how well does Hulu and Netflix work? Right now thats the most important thing.
Im currently running CM7 stable with the processor clocked at 925. I see alot of people running overclock kernels so when you say CM9 isnt as snappy to which are you comparing to. Low end or high?

Either. I'm running CM9 at 1200 right now and there is still lag (haven't done any tweaks though, working on other things). Besides that, I don't think Netflix is working on CM9 yet. If you are wanting stability, smoothness, and more application compatibility, CM9 isn't quite there yet.

It's funny how the people calling the OP clueless seem blissfully unaware of the situation with nightlies the last few months, but bobtidey broke it down well. The automated system for CM7 nightlies is broken, but the updated source is still available, and some people are sharing their builds from source (MiRaGe being the most reliable atm).
If Hulu and Netflix are your priorities, CM9 is probably not for you just yet. You can try it out a number of ways,
As bobtidey said, back up your current build, flash CM9, and if you're not happy go back.
Set it up on SD--there's a link in my sig for that, just grab CM9 and a compatible gapps instead of CM7.
Repartition the NC and set up a dual boot like mine (also linked in my sig) with MiRaGe's CM7.2 and Samiam's CM9.
If you just want a fresher flavor and don't want to mess around too much, I'd say go w/ MiRaGe's build.

Blah! It is what it is. As stated things have been pretty hectic around here. Now that I think of it things are always hectic. So I overlooked something and needed correction.
I just may dual boot. Ive wanted to try MiRaGe for awhile now anyways. I hear great things. Should be a nice upgrade over CM7 stable right? Thanks for info!

Beta? and some rom questions

Okay so I plan on ordering a touchpad this week or so and I have some questions regarding the roms and their stability.
first of all, which roms do you reccomend and/or are the most stable?
Are there any roms in beta? the only one I know of is Miui
Is there a rom with microphone/camera support?
And finally, is an hp touchpad worth the upgrade from a Viewsonic Gtablet (if anyone else has used both and compared them)?
any help is appreciated :laugh:

Firstly, you probably should have taken a moment to do a search - almost all of your questions have been asked many times before. However, to save you from the flame-bait and others who'll consider you a troll, I'll try and help you out a bit.
So, to answer your first question, the most stable would probably be the official CM9 Nightlies. To the best of my (personal and limited) knowledge, none have been promoted to official "beta" status, but then again, we went from an unofficial Alpha to Alpha2, to the nightlies. So that's probably your best bet for stability. I know from personal, anecdotal experience, that I haven't had a crash on my TP in weeks, and I would call it definitely stable. But that's just me.
Microphone support has been added into the repository, but the camera isn't as of yet. Which honestly doesn't bother too many people, unless they need to video chat. And if they need that, the nice thing about the TP is in about 5 minutes you can have it rebooted into WebOS, which has Skype native support, and you can chat from there. Then, do a quick reboot (about 2 mins or less), and you're back in Android.
As for the upgrade from the GTablet, I couldn't tell you. I know that I really enjoy my TP, and I like the way it looks and handles better than my father's Galaxy Tab 10.1, but that's just me. For the 200 bucks I paid for mine (including shipping to Canada), I can't say anything bad about it. It gets used daily, flashed daily, and it works like a hot damn all of the time. So yes, I suggest you get one, because it's an amazing piece of technology, AND it's in the process of getting an upgrade to Jellybean, so that's another plus in it's books (that a lot of other devices don't have yet).

I would suggest you get one also. But I would view eBay for about a week or two. Usually you can find
Someone selling a 32 GB cheaper or around the price of a 16gb every once in a while. Got my 32gb 180 even and no shipping cost. Great deal! These things are amazing for the Price
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Nightlies. That is all.

Ve6ay how nice to see a positive polite reply.
I have the same setup as you and couldn't have put it better.

[Q] Would you recommend it over i9000 in terms of ROMs?

I'm looking to buy an S3 and I really can't decide. My carrier now only sells the i9305, and when I want warranty, I would have to stick with them - used i9300 prices in my region match or surpass the carrier's price for i9305.
My only gripe with the i9305 is that I don't really see too much development going on. Sure, there is CM, but with my current trusty old SGS I saw that CM/AOSP mods can bring so much difference - like SlimRom for example.
Are there quality ROMs out there, will there be a strong support later on?

I doubt that i9305 users are familiar with i9000 development

Development i see devs as more likely to switch to SGS4 rather than take on I9305 .
jje

Theres plenty of 9305 roms.. 95% of functionality of the 9300.. Your not missing out on anything over the gain through having more RAM etc..
9305 will continue to be developed and at less regular intervals the updates will be aligned to a great degree with 9300 functionality wise.. Sure a few of the ROMS that are for 9300 would be awesome for the 9305 but mainly visuallly i guess..
Then again the 9305 roms a few of which are outstanding in their own right !

mick353 said:
Theres plenty of 9305 roms.. 95% of functionality of the 9300.
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not true at all

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not true at all
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How come i tested many I9305 roms and the all have and work very nice so no problems here, your statement is incorect, i was having the same problem and i got i9305 and i'm very happy, the devs we got working for i9305 are fewer but they are some of the best, and just look at the version numbers on romes and you will see that they work to improve! I love my I9305 and I don't ever look back , for not taking a I9300 even if some friend cald me crazy because i didn't get a S4 but in the end i was right not trowing the money out the window.
So if you want an S3 get the I9305 and you will no regret it (i came from i9000 and must say that i look at i9001 and i9003 and they still got a good dev team after all this years so way not i9305 , some really think that a phones has a bad dev after they trie only 1-2 roms).
If you don't need 4g you will even get a better battery life that the i9300.

my statement is fine. There is more than 5% difference in development between these to devices. It's far more

I think mick was saying that there's 95% functionality, not 95% of ROMs, numerically speaking. Since there's massive overlap of features among many different ROMs, what he's saying might not be so far off...
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95 percent of functionality can be achieved with like two ROMs. that's a very bad indicator for a development support

Yes 95% of funcitonality.. not roms, not close sure.. but given the overlap and given the benefits.. well i personally don't feel i'm missing out and any 'feature' that comes to the 9300, well lol 95% are at some point integrated.. If you want to be first cab of the ranks just for ROM purposes then go tthe 9300.. Also keep in mind yes only a few ROMS have the majoirty of features but these roms and now with the new kernals for 4.2.2 work a treat and a very customisible/configurable..
If someone could likst features they believe don't exist for 9305 that are really valuable ones i'd love to hear about them.. Otherwise it's just athesics which isn't to be underestimated but not a game changer givne what is available..
pretty much sums up my view and very happy with 9305 roms.. Ok sure would love three times the number but again not really missing out and 2gig ram is great.. oh only peeve for me is no FM radio which does suck but with 4g here etc download speeds make up for any shortfall and i can also utilise tunein radio or the like..
Anyway rant over guys! Happy hunting

[Q] Couple of questions before I go through with it

Good morning everyone!
I haven't had much time to read through every single thread so I thought I should ask a couple of quick questions from work. I'm thinking of getting my self a Nook HD soon since it's on sale here in Miami and I heard they have been discontinued but I am in need of some advice.
Since you guys have probably heard a lot more rumors and tips, should I go for it or should I look for something else? I am asking because by the looks of it, it's not going to be supported soon and I don't know how I should feel about that. Is there another device I should consider around the same price range?
Something I did notice is that there is not much development around this tablet other than Carbon. Are there other roms I missed that I should take into consideration and also, should I stick to the default kernel or is there others that excel?
I know the specific differences in specs but in your hands, which one feels better in regards to the system, and physically - the HD or HD+? And lastly, if I do decide to purchase it, anywhere I can get it for cheaper than at B&N?
If you guys can help me with this, I would really appreciate it!
Thank you beforehand.

valdesr11 said:
Good morning everyone!
I haven't had much time to read through every single thread so I thought I should ask a couple of quick questions from work. I'm thinking of getting my self a Nook HD soon since it's on sale here in Miami and I heard they have been discontinued but I am in need of some advice.
Since you guys have probably heard a lot more rumors and tips, should I go for it or should I look for something else? I am asking because by the looks of it, it's not going to be supported soon and I don't know how I should feel about that. Is there another device I should consider around the same price range?
Something I did notice is that there is not much development around this tablet other than Carbon. Are there other roms I missed that I should take into consideration and also, should I stick to the default kernel or is there others that excel?
I know the specific differences in specs but in your hands, which one feels better in regards to the system, and physically - the HD or HD+? And lastly, if I do decide to purchase it, anywhere I can get it for cheaper than at B&N?
If you guys can help me with this, I would really appreciate it!
Thank you beforehand.
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As far as which size is best, that's completely a personal decision. If you can handle them at B&N, do similar things on each, and see what feels best for you. For me, I went with the HD+ after a prolonged session in the store to compare them. In my comparing the 2, HD+ is better for videos, and I tend to watch stuff on XBMC fairly often, so that was my deciding factor. My wife on the other hand doesn't watch many videos, and liked the feel and size of the HD. I thought I would be rooting hers, and adding a new ROM but she's satisfied with Stock, and an alternate launcher, so I haven't pressed the issue.
As far as support goes, I think they'll still be supporting them at least as long as your warranty lasts, they just won't be creating new models. So, if you're going to be rooting and adding Modded ROMs anyway, I don't think that should be much of a concern to you. You'll still be able to access your library through the Nook APP (or a number of other reader Apps, not specifically for B&N content), so you're not going to lose your books (if you even use it as a reader).
The screen is what really makes this such an awesome deal, and for the price, you won't find an alternative that comes anywhere near it.
There are a couple different versions of straight CM10.1 in addition to the Carbon, and a couple others got posted, but aren't maintained. So yeah, for right now, those are your choices. Doesn't mean somebody else won't come along and start maintaining some other ROMs in the future.

valdesr11 said:
Good morning everyone!
I haven't had much time to read through every single thread so I thought I should ask a couple of quick questions from work. I'm thinking of getting my self a Nook HD soon since it's on sale here in Miami and I heard they have been discontinued but I am in need of some advice.
Since you guys have probably heard a lot more rumors and tips, should I go for it or should I look for something else? I am asking because by the looks of it, it's not going to be supported soon and I don't know how I should feel about that. Is there another device I should consider around the same price range?
Something I did notice is that there is not much development around this tablet other than Carbon. Are there other roms I missed that I should take into consideration and also, should I stick to the default kernel or is there others that excel?
I know the specific differences in specs but in your hands, which one feels better in regards to the system, and physically - the HD or HD+? And lastly, if I do decide to purchase it, anywhere I can get it for cheaper than at B&N?
If you guys can help me with this, I would really appreciate it!
Thank you beforehand.
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When I got mine, they told me the Nook HD & HD+, will still be around, they are simply using a third party to make them, and my Extend Protection plan would be honored until the end. I figure it will probably with refurbished units toward the end, since this was my first tablet (HD+) I wasn't sure if looking at 1920x1280 @ 9 inches was going to work, so I bought both and then returned the HD, the screen was fine for my aging eyes.
I'm using CM 10.1 EMMC following the great instruction here. It works much better than stock, but there is a stock thread here, by leapinlar, that includes great tips as well as zips you can install to allow sideloading and other cool stuff. A MUST read if you want to keep stock only.
There are several threads about SD only installs as well as Hybrid installs that allow dual booting for the best of both worlds. Here, started by bokbokan.
I've yet to try Carbon or TweakedCarbon, but will probably do so just to see which one I like better.
I flashed both the HD & HD+ when I had them and they both felt nice and, tested them using different apps opened at the same time. The HD+ won almost every test, and the screen looks really good for watching movies and surfing. I ended up keeping the HD+, but I got a 10% coupon for another Nook, so I may grab the HD for my daughter.
Hope this helps!

[Q] Nub seeking advise (cm10 or cm11)

Hey everyone, awesome site! Yep, first post. :cyclops:
I'm completely new to Android though I have hacked a few things and understand the importance of making absolutely sure you know the procedures and make backups in case things get fubar. I've been digging through the posts quite a bit and of course see that opinions on use, stability, etc seem to vary a bit. What I'd like some kind feedback on is (as a nub) am I better off starting out using CM10 and then when I'm ready I can move on to CM11 or has CM11 been developed well enough to just start there. Also wondering how stable is "stable" on both. I'm much more interested in having a good and stable experience than a few extra bells and whistles until the kinks are worked out. I'm running a stock Nook HD+ now so it's all an upgrade in any case. Thanks in advance for all constructive feedback.

I went straight from rooted stock on my HD to CM 11 so I don't know how CM 10 ROMs are. But the CM 11 builds I've used from verygreen's thread since early January have been rock solid on my HD. Just 1 spontaneous reboot in the entire 2 months -- when granting superuser access to an app. That's it. Wi-fi, bluetooth, web browsing, music and video playback are all working fine. Swiping between screens is smooth. I did a clean install before I put CM 11 on, and I think that makes a difference vs. those who did dirty installs.
If you have an HD, CM 11 will let you use full screen mode which is very valuable for a 7" screen. I don't think you will get that with a CM 10 build which is based on JB. If you have an HD+, the gain in screen space that Kit Kat gives you is not as critical.
If you go to CM 10 first, you might have to reinstall everything for a clean install before jumping to CM 11. So you would ultimately save a lot of time by going straight to CM 11.

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hey Jodo901 :good:
my experience was that i purchased a HD+ and did loads of reading both prior to and after purchase. I chose the nook for a number of reasons (price vs performance) but also the awesome input from the guys here on XDA around custom roms.
For years I've always looked to get my devices updated with custom roms but always like to have a proper noob guide lol. The best place to start for me on the HD+ is this thread - http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2317500
It explains the process step by step and is idiot proof (i did it!!) I have read numerous threads about which rom to put on the HD+ but settled on the stable 10.1.3 rom. i considered the 10.2 rom but the 10.2 had mixed reviews on the HD+ and the consensus was that 10.1.3 was a stable, mature and smooth rom. I am watching the CM 11 releases closely but it remains a work in progress, although from posters on the thread it seems that it is running almost perfectly. I will switch to CM 11 once verygreen posts a "stable" release - plus you can flash the roms as you wish, so can start with the stable 10.1.3 and then reflash when you're more confident or feel that the CM11 rom is more mature.
My advice would be go for 10.1.3 and follow the guide above. I didn't think the stock rom was that bad, but the 10.1.3 is night and day imho, its smooth, repsonsive and allows lots of funky tweaks. I've had this rom on my HD+ for a few days and am very pleased :fingers-crossed:
all the best with your choice fella
fish

Thanks for the quick responses guys! You've given me a bit more to consider and look into. That was one of the threads I bookmarked yesterday so thanks for pointing out it's validity. A further question that now comes to mind from what you both have said is how much of a hardware difference is there and is that something that can make a performance difference? Guess I'm still gonna be info diving for a bit tonight after work.

KitKat does improve on performance over Jelly Bean, but it's not something that will affect your daily use. I'm currently using CM 10.1.3 (stable) on a Nook HD+ and HD. I'm considering upgrading the HD to CM 10.2.1, as there is a stable build out. I will definitely upgrade to KitKat/CM11 when a stable build is released.
Personally, I only install stable builds. I don't want the hassle of encountering issues with nightlies. I find that CM10.1.3 is extremely stable, and I have not had any problems with it; although battery life is reduced from the original stock ROM, but that's nothing to be worried about. In conclusion, no issues with the CM10.1.3 stable build.
As a note, I also believe the TRIM issue has been fixed with the CM10.2.1 stable too on the Nook HD+; so CM10.2.1 should be fine too, but I haven't tried it yet.
All the best.

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Jodo901 said:
Thanks for the quick responses guys! You've given me a bit more to consider and look into. That was one of the threads I bookmarked yesterday so thanks for pointing out it's validity. A further question that now comes to mind from what you both have said is how much of a hardware difference is there and is that something that can make a performance difference? Guess I'm still gonna be info diving for a bit tonight after work.
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hey jodo
i'm not sure what you mean by hardware difference? if you mean the effectiveness of each rom on the HD+ i suppose its a matter of preference and through trial and error in trying the roms available. It seems that CM11 is considered the faster of the roms available but as said previously this is an on-going rom development and not considered stable.
I considered what i was going to use my HD+ for, which in my case was surfing and reading books/comics and getting the best return on the stupidly low price vs decent spec and awesome screen. I didn't buy it to game as 1. its hardly a powerhouse for gaming and 2. i dislike mobile gaming and prefer PS and XBOX for that sorta thing. My priorities were smoothness, stability, customisation and battery life which i feel 10.1.3 provides, but others may disagree lol.
Fish

Thanks again for the input guys. :good:
I finally have a some time to dig in on the forums a little and maybe get to the rooting later. I'm running very light on the apps at this point. Just some online stuff, ebooks, comics, etc. Mostly looking for more control and customization.
@fishman09 - I thought perhaps there were hardware differences depending on the manufacture date of the Nook HD+ unit but I haven't seen anything like that so I assume it's a non issue. I know this can be something that makes a difference when hacking older game systems (Xbox, PSP, etc)
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Thanks again to everyone who gave me their 2 cents on my way into all this fun custom Android stuff on my Nook HD+!!
I have now successfully installed 10.2.1 and so far its working well and looks great.

Another data point: I was in same position as you. Decided to go for a cm11 nightly build (this was back in _Jan). It ran reasonably well, but I wondered if 10.2 would be more stable or better with battery life. It felt about the same, with couple missing things, notably no hiding of soft buttons. So I've now gone back to cm11, a march nightly build. I think it is as good as a $120 tablet is going to get . So I'm pretty happy and staying. I even enabled ART runtime and so far everything has run except asphalt 8.
Just make sure you format and wipe everything after doing a backup during your install process.

My Conclusion...or the time being.
Well after about 3 or 4 days of normal usage with CM 10.2.1 I have decided to go back to the stock version of the Nook.The difference in battery drain did not outweigh the bonuses of the upgraded OS for me at all. I would say the battery life was only about 2/3 as long. This is a big drawback in my opinion considering I really wasn't running anything differently. Yeah, it was a bit prettier and more customizable and I was very impressed with the stability, but it's kind of pointless to have a wireless device that you have to keep plugging in all the time.

Jodo901 said:
Well after about 3 or 4 days of normal usage with CM 10.2.1 I have decided to go back to the stock version of the Nook.The difference in battery drain did not outweigh the bonuses of the upgraded OS for me at all. I would say the battery life was only about 2/3 as long. This is a big drawback in my opinion considering I really wasn't running anything differently. Yeah, it was a bit prettier and more customizable and I was very impressed with the stability, but it's kind of pointless to have a wireless device that you have to keep plugging in all the time.
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I got my new Nook+ last week and pondered whether to root and which ROM to use. After one week of use, I have no real issues keeping it stock for now but will follow the kitkat development for possible future rooting.