Since there IS a topic about using the G-sensor, I guess it is a good idea to come up with a thread about using the capacative touchpad of the diamond.
Since the test-tools were out, we saw that the left and right part of the centre-button is a multi-touch enabled touchpad.
It could be used in so many ways, for gestures, extra 'hardware' keys, etc. That's the reason for this topic.
Hey, I reverse engineered the Nav wheel. It may be multitouch, but the raw data I get back from the Diamond does not indicate that it is. The only data I was able to retrieve is rotations per second. I also have not figured out how to reverse engineer the center button.
Koush said:
Hey, I reverse engineered the Nav wheel. It may be multitouch, but the raw data I get back from the Diamond does not indicate that it is. The only data I was able to retrieve is rotations per second. I also have not figured out how to reverse engineer the center button.
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Maybe you have already seen it .. but check out the 'NavDbgTool.exe' here...
http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=Diamond_Testing_Tool
Riel said:
Since there IS a topic about using the G-sensor, I guess it is a good idea to come up with a thread about using the capacative touchpad of the diamond.
Since the test-tools were out, we saw that the left and right part of the centre-button is a multi-touch enabled touchpad.
It could be used in so many ways, for gestures, extra 'hardware' keys, etc. That's the reason for this topic.
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Good idea ! I was thinking about starting such topic..
What about a unlocker ? If you slide your finger from Home key to the Answer key and at the same time you slide your other finger from the Back key to the Don't Answer key ? Could be nice.. just an idea!
What I have seen, that is quite hard, since above and below the nav-pad is no touch-pad. It sees it as 'nav-pad action' then.
I thought of navigating in another way.
What multitouch-applications do there exist, and are any of them usable for the limited space we have besides the nav-wheel?
It DOES give 4 extra 'hardware' keys. Even key-combinations can be made
Maybe some genious will find a slick way of text-inputting via the 2 pads !
Just give it a small kick upwards
Dont let this topic die?
I was just looking at this for a bit, think I get some clues about how to get the data. I have a time-problem, though Will probably be a while before I pick it up again.
However, I think I saw Schaps mention he is using it in his new touchxperience UI, that'd mean he knows how to do it. Why not just ask him?
I can see one use already. Capacitive sensors are more responsive than resistive screens, so it would be cool to use this in place of touching the screen to scroll through touchflo3d tabs.
Surur
Does any one know if this is implemented in the touch pro? and if so, in what way? Maybe we will inherit whatever the pro has to offer in this regard.
YESSSS!
This is awsome!
Did you guyzz see the vid vid?
Unlocking the Diamond with no Hard button touch at alll?.
Cheers fellasss
Nice, looking forward to a nice task manager and launcher mouse pad thing in the future!
A mouse like on the Samsung Omnia would be a good idea.
Surur
Not really multitouch
OK, I've download the NavDBG tool and played with it... strictly speaking this isn't multitouch, or not multitouch in the way that the apple looks at it. It's single touch but split into 3 areas. Basically imagine the button area at the bottom of the diamond is split into 3 columns.
You have 3 single touch areas:
1) On the left with the home and dial buttons
2) In the middle tracking outside the circle or also detecting a touch (not a button press) inside the circle. If you finger touches both outside and inside the circle, outside the circle takes precedence
3) On the right with the back and hangup buttons.
The multitouch impression comes from the fact that all 3 of these single touch areas can be used simultaneously.
This doesn't in my opinion open up brilliant options in terms of pinch to shrink spread to enlarge ala apple, but it does mean that a device fairly limited in terms of buttons could get a lot of good enhancements to useability.
My biggest annoyance with the device is when you are trying to gesture in TF3D or in an app (eg scrolling in opera) and it decides you've tapped mid gesture and follows a link etc, using the louch sensitive lower areas for gestures would eliminate this problem and make for a much better user experience (in my opinion).
Also, for games, the potential to use the touch sensitive lower area for a range of game controls would be great.
So all good stuff, but not strictly speaking multitouch.
edit: Additionally it seems to only see a narrow horizontal band in the middle (wheel) section. Interestingly it seems to register about 1cm on each side of the wheel and inside the button, it seems to infer rotation around the wheel based on the finger movements as it crosses these areas.
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This doesn't in my opinion open up brilliant options in terms of pinch to shrink spread to enlarge ala apple
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Seeing how small the pad area it, this would still work, just with fingers on different sensitive areas. If fact, this sounds like a perfect first implementation - zooming in Opera Mobile (although a bit senseless since the scroll wheel works with one hand while pinching will need two).
Surur
i think the biggest advantage of this revelation will the benefit of some new added buttons. I can think of a few uses for them too.
left/right touch to
move fwd/back through tabs in opera
skip fwd/back tracks in music player
pounding the hell out of when playing daily thompsons decathalon (if anyone remembers that great 80's game)
I remember reading somewhere that someone is preparing a SDK for this. I think it's very important since we have almost no programmable keys. This can be used as extra keys. Any news on this front?
aydc said:
I remember reading somewhere that someone is preparing a SDK for this. I think it's very important since we have almost no programmable keys. This can be used as extra keys. Any news on this front?
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I would love to see this!
My full on support.
I was thinking of using the touchpanels for a mousepointer control!
I know, when browsing opera, my fingers are too fat to click small links.
Must keep zooming.
I wonder if it was possible to pop up a mouse cursor, and move it with one small touch-panel. The other panel for left and rightclicks.
I have held my diamond with that idea, and I think it is very useful and finger-friendly!
CapacitiveFingerLock
I did make a Proof of Concept of CapacativeFingerLock. This one gives another possibility of locking/unlocking the Touch Diamond or Touch Pro.
Hi ya'll, i've been looking for a better solution for playing emulated games on my Xperia since playing with the DPad + 2-3 keyboard buttons isn't so efficient (oh and i've been trying all kinds of button combinations..!)
The only bluetooth gamepad i've found is this http://www.dealextreme.com/details.dx/sku.13760 - the BGP100 which from what i've read works great with the xperia, some says the pad is a bit uncomfortable but mostly it sounds all right.
What I wonder is if the phone can be used with it in landscape mode(as in, will it fit)? if not it's a no go for me, from all the pictures i've seen on it, all is in portrait...
If i press the buttons at the BGP100 with key repeat active (from personal-->buttons-->up/down control) will the BGP100 buttons repeat, as my KB/DPad buttons do? it's really annoying having them rapidly repeat making it almost unplayable both from the sound and from the lagg in creates, for now i've deactivated key repeats, but it would be nice having it on when i'm using BGP100
I just wish there was a WiiMote driver for Windows Mobile (like there is for S60v3) and i wouldn't have to "worry" about this at all ;/
Anyway, thanks in advance
Just read where someone has written software for Mac that turns the Magic Trackpad into a number pad. You buy a decal to stick on your track pad that has keys silk screened on it.
http://www.wired.com/gadgetlab/2011/08/stickers-turn-magic-trackpad-into-magic-numpad/
I know the magic trackpad works as a mouse in Android, but what I wonder is how hard would it be to have it be used as a keyboard? Probably not easy, I would think. But how cool would it be to use the bottom half of the trackpad as a keyboard and the top half as a trackpad! The Trackpad is only a smidgen bigger than the Nook in portrait. I think they'd look pretty snazzy together.
Any feedback? did you try it?
I have the Official HP TouchPad Wireless Keyboard and I'm running cm9 0.6
Some keys on the Keyboard are non functional with ICS. For example
Brightness Control
Back and Forward Music
Notification Key
Card View Key (Could be used as home button)
Virtual Keyboard Toggle Key
and some others I cant think of
My point is, how can I make these keys functional to actually work
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Is there any way someone could probably develop a driver that can be flashed via Clockwork Mod Recovery as a ZIP?
It would be a great help to us TouchPad Users running CM9 ICS
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I'm actually very curious about this as well, I own the HP touchpad keyboard too and I really like it, it works really well on WebOS but when it came to android, many of the buttons don't work and it would be really great if these buttons could be remapped in some form or another.
Yeah, I would be interested in this too.
Some of the keys are easily fixable by editing /system/usr/keylayout/qwerty.kl - such as the media back/forward buttons. There's a keytest app out there which will capture keystrokes and spit out the numerical codes. You can then edit these codes in together with the desired commands into the kl file.
Other keys (keyboard toggle, brightness toggle etc...), however, do not trigger numerical keycodes at all when pressed; they seem to be using some WebOS specific command, or the Android driver simply is not written to recognise these codes. It looks like the driver would need to be modified for those keys to work - but I am no expert.
I'll try and post an edited kl file with all the keys which are recognised working later.
I have no idea on Android inputs work, but in Linux/X server there was a command line command that allowed you to directly capture keystrokes/events from a keyboard. Does android use X?
Just so you know, this thread will probably get moved, but I thought I would provide a link before it does.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1379863
I havent applied this to CM9, but I would imagine that it shouldn't be too different.
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Try using this app:
External Keyboard Helper
https://play.google.com/store/apps/...id.hwkeyboardhelperdemo&feature=search_result
You can use it to remap keys into android. Please report back if it works, as I want to buy a keyboard for my tablet, but dont want to deal with useless keys
I did find this review in the UK that mentions this app does help remap and get those uesless keys working:
http://www.amazon.co.uk/product-reviews/B0058CZX70?pageNumber=2
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This high quality Bluetooth keyboard measures 28.5cm by 13cm and weighs about 360g, including the two AA batteries that are supplied with it: slightly longer than my tablet is wide, but still small and light enough to carry round.
It is solidly made, matt black metal rather than plastic, with a stylish curving shape firmly supported on rubber feet - no wobble even on slightly uneven surfaces. The slope is perfect for fast typing. The keys are low profile and short-travel, full size, responsive and quiet. No sign that any of them is likey to come loose. There is no numeric keypad, but there is a row of function keys at the top to control the tablet - search, brightness, volume, on/off etc. Battery life is claimed to be about six months as the keyboard powers down when not in use and comes back to life as soon as you press a key.
The keyboard paired with my Sony S and with my Galaxy (both Android devices) without fuss and worked immediately, although three or four key mappings needed adjusting to match the GB layout. For this the External Keyboard Helper app is highly recommended - you just press "autodetect keyboard" and everything comes right.
As other reviewers have mentioned, there is no on/off indicator. The light next to the on/off switch on the underside of the keyboard seems to show that the device is visible for pairing, rather than that it is on. Again, the External Keyboard Helper is useful here because it flashes up a discreet message when a keyboard is not detected. I only found the lack of a light a problem on one occasion - the second time I used it. The batteries supplied were flat, so nothing worked. Fortunately, before hurling it at the wall, I remembered the old principle "check the simplest explanation first".
The lack of a caps lock light I did not find a problem - this probably depends on your style of typing.
Excellent value for money.
What things would you like to see for 701t. Anything that comes to mind.
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What things would you like to see for 701t. Anything that comes to mind.
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#1: Screen flickering issues fixed (yes, still does it even on manual brightness).
#2: A fixed / redesigned keyboard dock. Can't justify buying one on account of all of the bad press around here.
#3: Kitkat. Or some guarantee of it anyway.
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I don't have a dock my self. But wouldn't a setup like a one of those mini desktops(zotac etc) make a good companion? Then just plug in a keyboard and accessories. I guess it's not the same or as portable.
This was great on the Nexus 7. Philz touch advanced.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2201860
1. All available Chrome for Android hotkeys for those who have the keyboard dock.
2. The ability to use different input methods and still be able to use Asus keyboard when connected to tablet.
3. Options/Settings to modify keyboard behaviors (typing speed, repeat key duration, etc. advanced settings.) for the keyboard dock.
4. Method/Hotkey to add accents to letters.
5. The ability to type all Latin-1 characters using the ALT key and the number keys.
6. An easy way to clean the keyboard dock if lots of dusts accumulate in the keys, without voiding the warranty.