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Hi all,
I am supposed to receive my nexus 7 tomorrow.
I just cant decide on whether I should root or no.
I can say for sure that I do not plan to change roms, I only want to root in order to use storage via usb-otg (also not sure I will use it eventually).
I do know that I want to receive OTA updates and that's why I don't like the idea of rooting.
Any suggestions?
Thanks a lot!
Asaf
Yes you should root it if you want to use usb-otg. I decided not to root mine on day one and now I'm looking for a method that won't erase everthing on my device. So if you see yourself needing that in the future do it now rather than later .
shemsha said:
Hi all,
I am supposed to receive my nexus 7 tomorrow.
I just cant decide on whether I should root or no.
I can say for sure that I do not plan to change roms, I only want to root in order to use storage via usb-otg (also not sure I will use it eventually).
I do know that I want to receive OTA updates and that's why I don't like the idea of rooting.
Any suggestions?
Thanks a lot!
Asaf
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This is a Nexus device which makes to easy to root and unroot..
If an OTA comes out you can be unrooted and back stock in a matter of minutes..
Oddly, I have had no reason or desire to root my N7 and I even put my GNex back stock...
If you do root, do it before you install all kinds of stuff. You have to reset to root. Not sure how the Google credit works, but you might want to register the device, get the credit, then root. Just in case.
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I was reluctant to root or not. CM10 is only a preview, other roms not much better than stock, I don't need OTG, so why root? For one crucial app: TITANIUM BACKUP. When you unlock and root everything is wiped!
My suggestion is unlock the bootloader right away since that part wipes data, then root when (and if) you decide to download an app that needs root access.
Easier to Root now rather than later. Rooting requires you to wipe losing all apps and settings.
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Yes. First thing I always do on a Nexus device is unlock and root. It's just as easy to lock it again and flash the stock rom if ever needed.
I would unlock the bootloader at a minimum, before you set anything up, as that action will wipe data. If you decide to root later on you'll be in great shape.
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Might be better to wait and see if any problems arise with the device first?
I rooted mine using the One click root tool, very easy.
Got to be worth it to install ad block and sixaxis.
Like others have said, at the very minimum, unlock the bootloader (a prerequisite for rooting) right away. If you decide to unlock it later you'll have to wipe the device.
Absolutely. Just make sure you bookmark (in the cloud) how to unroot before you root (including restoring stock bootloader). It would also be smart to read what issues other folks have had, and what they did to solve their problems. (In short, always have a concrete, detailed exit plan before you start something.)
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shaneydroid said:
Might be better to wait and see if any problems arise with the device first?
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That is an excellent point I am very anzy ( think I killed that word) to unlock and root but I want to give it atleast a week to make sure there are no kinks, dead pixels or anything that would require me to return it but so far so good on my first day. I bought Titu with the $25 credit forgetting that it requires root lol but it's all good becuase now I have it for my Vivid but to use six axis you need root as well.
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Might be better to wait and see if any problems arise with the device first?
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clago87 said:
That is an excellent point I anzy ( think I killed that word) to unlock and root but I want to give it atleast a week to make sure there are no kinks, dead pixels or anything that would require me to return it but so far so good on my first day. I bought Titu with the $25 credit forgetting that it requires root lol but it's all good becuase now I have it for my Vivid but to use six axis you need root as well.
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Other than checking out the basic functions, I wouldn't bother waiting. The device is designed to be unlocked so it is not a hardware warranty issue and that is what you would be returning the device for. If you plan on having root, you need root to test the things you will be using it for.
Plus, it then allows you to back up the device so that if you do have to get another one, it is a very simple process to restore your backup and be back up and running (one of the primary reasons for root)
krelvinaz said:
Other than checking out the basic functions, I wouldn't bother waiting. The device is designed to be unlocked so it is not a hardware warranty issue and that is what you would be returning the device for. If you plan on having root, you need root to test the things you will be using it for.
Plus, it then allows you to back up the device so that if you do have to get another one, it is a very simple process to restore your backup and be back up and running (one of the primary reasons for root)
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I am actually glad to be at work for once. I am very easily swayed and am ready to unlock and root lol. I have read all the info on it and it does not seem too much of a burden compared to my atrix
I'm kind of confused, do I unlocked the bootlocker first or install 4.1.1 updates?
If I install then unlock, would the updates be gone?
Would I be able to update even after unlock and root?
i rooted even though i had already installed apps etc... its very handy to be able to use external storage and apps like titanium backup.. i dont really intend installing customs roms.. but the otg support was enough to warrant rooting for me
You can backup and restore your device with ADB. Backup, unlock, restore. You don't have to lose everything to root it later on.
hydroxyde said:
You can backup and restore your device with ADB. Backup, unlock, restore. You don't have to lose everything to root it later on.
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Yep was just about to say this, picked this method up in the OneX forums, life saver
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Hello there.
so I'm plannin on getting moto x from verizon and have a few questions.
So I can root my moto x using this
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=45598679
but what do I do after? Install SuperSU? CWM app? How do I get recovery menu and what's the purpose?
Sorry for so many question, I've been reading a lot and its a ton of information. So if anyone could simply explain it to me, that would be great.
thnx in advance.
Rooting your phone just lets you do what you want with your phone whether it's tethering and using hotspot for free or changing the theme, if you don't want to do any of that then you don't even need to root, for a beginner I wouldn't root your phone until you want to do something that requires root
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I'd say if you don't know then you don't need it right now. Play around with your phone and get to know it. Feel her out. You'll find some things you want to change, or get rid of. When you get to that point, then you'll need root.
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I've been using android in the past for a short period of time, but I guess that doesnt count. So I want to root my future moto x for example, I want to get rid of those Verizon stock apps, cuz I wont be using those. And like to freeze the OTA updates. And just explore what I can do wit it, since its an open source OS.
Cwm recovery on the Verizon moto x is not available because the bootloader isn't unlocked unless you get dev edition, but root is available with PwnMyMoto and you can use xposed modules to change toggles, notification bar layout and nav bar height etc. If you use that root method and want to return to stock make sure you get familiar with RSDlite and fastboot. IMHO the stock ROM layout is already near perfect so besides some xposed stuff and freezing apps via Tbu there's not much more that really needs to be done to this phone, I think you'll be very happy with it as is. Active notifications, touchless controls, Motorola connect etc are awesome. Let us know how you like it when you receive it!
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Cwm recovery on the Verizon moto x is not available because the bootloader isn't unlocked unless you get dev edition, but root is available with PwnMyMoto and you can use xposed modules to change toggles, notification bar layout and nav bar height etc. If you use that root method and want to return to stock make sure you get familiar with RSDlite and fastboot. IMHO the stock ROM layout is already near perfect so besides some xposed stuff and freezing apps via Tbu there's not much more that really needs to be done to this phone, I think you'll be very happy with it as is. Active notifications, touchless controls, Motorola connect etc are awesome. Let us know how you like it when you receive it!
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Thnx for solid reply. So to my understanding, in order to use TBU I need to root first, right? And Since cwm recovery is no available due to locked bootloader I wont be able to flash custom roms, if there are any? Not saying I want to, just want to know =) Any other option of recovery?
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Thnx for solid reply. So to my understanding, in order to use TBU I need to root first, right? And Since cwm recovery is no available due to locked bootloader I wont be able to flash custom roms, if there are any? Not saying I want to, just want to know =) Any other option of recovery?
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yes thats right tibu does need root since your looking to freeze/uninstall system apps. And as far as recoveries, there is a workaround called safestrap which is based off of TWRP that uses "rom slots" Im not entirely sure how it works though, probably someone more knowledgeable about that can chime in.
For those who do not have access to a computer I achieved root on Kit Kat without a PC by following these steps :
All needed items will be linked below.
Root device using kingroot (will not trip Knox) if you are only wanting root for basic root apps (greenify etc.) then this is all you need to do. Have fun! (Just remember anything that changes the /system partition significantly such as xposed will trip Knox.)
To install superSU instead of kingroot/kinguser (will trip Knox)
Install flashify from the play store
Use flashify to install twrp (this step trips Knox)
Download SuperSU zip
Remove kingroot and the included kinguser app (follow instructions from kingroot thread)
Reboot into recovery and install SuperSU zip
OR :
After installing twrp just download a ROM (and if needed gapps) of your choice and flash.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/android/apps-games/one-click-root-tool-android-2-x-5-0-t3107461 for kingroot English.
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.cgollner.flashify flashify play store link
For SuperSU zip google is your friend
hotrodwinston said:
For those who do not have access to a computer I achieved root today without a PC by following these steps :
Root device using kingroot (will not trip Knox)
(Tablet is now technically rooted but most people prefer SuperSU and to not have incompletely translated apps controlling root access)
Install flashify from the play store
Use flashify to install twrp (will trip Knox)
Download SuperSU zip
Remove kingroot and the included kinguser app
Reboot into recovery and install SuperSU zip
OR :
After installing twrp just download a ROM (and if needed gapps) of your choice and flash.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/android/apps-games/one-click-root-tool-android-2-x-5-0-t3107461 for kingroot English.
For SuperSU zip google is your friend
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You've just negated the whole point of using kingroot, not tripping Knox.
You could have simply rooted using twrp or cfauto root without kingroot at all. I know it saves connecting to a PC, but that is trivial.
Kinguser supersu app is fully English and has no problems as a supersu replacement. I used it for months.
ashyx said:
You've just negated the whole point of using kingroot, not tripping Knox.
You could have simply rooted using twrp or cfauto root without kingroot at all. I know it saves connecting to a PC, but that is trivial.
Kinguser supersu app is fully English and has no problems as a supersu replacement. I used it for months.
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Some people don't have a PC - this method would let them install custom roms or install xposed without needing a PC.
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Some people don't have a PC - this method would let them install custom roms or install xposed without needing a PC.
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I agree but then you stated about flashing supersu and twrp which would trip Knox and sort of made the first part of your informative post pointless, that's all.
Also flashing roms will also trip Knox, so again negates the point of rooting with kingroot.
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I agree but then you stated about flashing supersu and twrp which would trip Knox and sort of made the first part of your informative post pointless, that's all.
Also flashing roms will also trip Knox, so again negates the point of rooting with kingroot.
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I see your point - will modify the op to reflect different goals of rooting - my use of kingroot was to obtain root knowing I was going to trip Knox to install a custom rom as I do not have a PC to run Odin.
Kingroot does not work on lollipop. Don't want to trip Knox. Is there any other way to root? Not flashing any rom BTW.
If you have a computer and can downgrade to 4.4 kingroot should work then
djide said:
Kingroot does not work on lollipop. Don't want to trip Knox. Is there any other way to root? Not flashing any rom BTW.
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I had never heard of that tool. Did it work well on KK ? Looks like there are newer versions that could work with Lollipop. My only concern is that it is all in Chinese and I don't know how reliable it is
I saw in another thread that someone had success using KIng Root on the AT&T variant. I have tried several times and on several different days, but as of yet King Root will not work for me on the SM-T807V. This is the Verizon variant. Some folks have speculated that King Root might work on Lollipop if you have the Exynos chip and not the Snapdragon. Unfortunately, or fortunately, for me, I have the Verizon with the different chip. I believe I also read that Sprint variants also have Snapdragons.
Elbrin said:
I saw in another thread that someone had success using KIng Root on the AT&T variant. I have tried several times and on several different days, but as of yet King Root will not work for me on the SM-T807V. This is the Verizon variant. Some folks have speculated that King Root might work on Lollipop if you have the Exynos chip and not the Snapdragon. Unfortunately, or fortunately, for me, I have the Verizon with the different chip. I believe I also read that Sprint variants also have Snapdragons.
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Sprint does have snapdragon, but their bootloaders are unlocked in which they can flash anything they want. Sucks that kingroot doesn't work onm Verizon
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DUHAsianSKILLZ said:
Sprint does have snapdragon, but their bootloaders are unlocked in which they can flash anything they want. Sucks that kingroot doesn't work onm Verizon
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I'm not sure whether the failure for it to work is the exploit itself or user error.
It has worked both on my exynos tab s t805 and my snapdragon m8.
Both running kitkat.
Earlier versions have worked on other devices I own.
I can't see what would be different exploit wise with the Verizon device.
It took me a few goes for the exploit to work and most importantly the device will reboot at least once and then continue the exploit, so must not be touched after the reboot.
My advice here is to set the screen timeout to at least 10 mins, so it can be monitored after it reboots.
Also it needs to be kingroot v4. Another point is that if the app root fails then it's worth trying the desktop version as, from past experience, this has worked when the app hasn't.
Yes but in my opinion the app is interesting because it makes it possible to keep the Knox counter at 0×0. Using the desktop version installs another recovery and triggers Knox. But it looks like the team is working hard to make it functional for devices on lollipop. I hope we will see progress for the tab s
I have tried both the desktop and the mobile version and both met with the same results -no root. The common thought now seems to be, from my readings, is that Verizon has a locked bootloader which might be more of the issue versus the difference in the chip. Oh well, I will just have to be patient with Tab S and just enjoy my rooted S6 Edge.
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Elbrin said:
I have tried both the desktop and the mobile version and both met with the same results -no root. The common thought now seems to be, from my readings, is that Verizon has a locked bootloader which might be more of the issue versus the difference in the chip. Oh well, I will just have to be patient with Tab S and just enjoy my rooted S6 Edge.
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The bootloader is irrelevant as the exploit doesn't involve the bootloader. Not only that it works on the bootloader locked att model.
Keep root after update ??
hello just wondering if after king root gains root would I be able to update from Samsung update in settings ? And if It does let us update from setting will it remove or patch over the root exploit..! Thanks...
-Ahmed- smt700 (wifi 0nly)
As far as Knox is not tripped, I believe you should but you will lose root in the process.
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djide said:
Kingroot does not work on lollipop. Don't want to trip Knox. Is there any other way to root? Not flashing any rom BTW.
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Downgrade to kitkat, root with king root then flash lollipop stock official fw with flashfire, with injects supersu option
Really kingroot works?
Joker87 said:
Downgrade to kitkat, root with king root then flash lollipop stock official fw with flashfire, with injects supersu option
Really kingroot works?
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I have not read any posts from anyone that has been able to root a VERIZON (caps used for emphasis ) Tab S (SM-T807V) with King Root or Kingo.
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Op updated with more info regarding different steps if you just want root or want to go further and install xposed or custom Roms.
Sorry for taking so long to update - real life got in the way.
Has anyone found a method to replace kingroot with supersu without tripping Knox? I have tried the same steps that worked on my s6 on here and that didn't work. Worked only right after completing the process but when I reboot I lost root.
With the new features in Marshmallow, what are the remaining reasons to still root it?
Thanks.
jsk108 said:
With the new features in Marshmallow, what are the remaining reasons to still root it?
Thanks.
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Well if you like to theme layers works naively on M. You just need root and a kernel that allows r/w. That's one good reason for it.
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jsk108 said:
With the new features in Marshmallow, what are the remaining reasons to still root it?
Thanks.
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For me, adaway and debloating are big. Custom kernal so I can properly adjust my screen calibration to. Its way to yellow on the nexus 6.
jsk108 said:
With the new features in Marshmallow, what are the remaining reasons to still root it?
Thanks.
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to access system files, to change or delete them. cant do it without root. to make sure that my n6 is the fastest n6 around. but thats just one if many reasons. no, you do not need root to flash roms or kernels. you do need root to use the apps to control them.
Mr Patchy Patch said:
For me, adaway and debloating are big. Custom kernal so I can properly adjust my screen calibration to. Its way to yellow on the nexus 6.
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Can you have an expanded desktop and pie controls without rooting on M? Those would be amongst my main reasons at this point. Thanks!
jsk108 said:
Can you have an expanded desktop and pie controls without rooting on M? Those would be amongst my main reasons at this point. Thanks!
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yes. you can flash a rom that has them included. you do not need root to flash a recovery, nor do you need root to flash roms/kernels.
Root is a necessity for since I need to block ads. So basically for Adaway.
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One word: Xposed
Astro file manager can't seem to access my internal sdcard suddenly. Also life without Adaway is intolerable. Don't they realize we escaped to the internet to get away from overbearing ads?
change build.prop to allow wifi tethering and add few other items I think my phone should have that the carrier doesnt
simms22 said:
yes. you can flash a rom that has them included. you do not need root to flash a recovery, nor do you need root to flash roms/kernels.
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I really had no clue that you didn't need Root to flash a Rom.. This is my first Nexus device. I have owned 5 android devices and always rooted to flash custom roms. You just blew my mind.
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I really had no clue that you didn't need Root to flash a Rom.. This is my first Nexus device. I have owned 5 android devices and always rooted to flash custom roms. You just blew my mind.
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you do not need root, but you need an unlocked bootloader and to fastboot flash twrp recovery(so you can flash roms or kernels). the only thing that you would need root for is an app to control kernels. but if youre not into controlling kernels, then no root is needed
I didn't even root my phone on Lollipop. Made a few changes in recovery, and had custom recovery, but that was the extent of my changes.
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sansnil said:
One word: Xposed
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Unfortunately, Xposed isn't out for Marshmallow yet.
I unencrypted and the only benefit I see to not having root is that you can do OTA's but since unencrypting and custom recovery took that away I might as well get root and enjoy viper4android, ad-block, custom kernels, play music exporter, no nag tethering (yes I pay for it, just hate when the checking subscription stalls cuz AT&T can't be bothered to fix it), etc.
JimSmith94 said:
Unfortunately, Xposed isn't out for Marshmallow yet.
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I know that, but it will be eventually.
Titanium Backup.
Pretty much the same reason to root L.
Can't think of a single root function that's now stock?
jsk108 said:
With the new features in Marshmallow, what are the remaining reasons to still root it?
Thanks.
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If you're not sure if you want to root it, then don't.
scryan said:
Pretty much the same reason to root L.
Can't think of a single root function that's now stock?
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App permissions management used to require root and is now stock on 6.0. That's the first thing that pops into my head....
I have a note 3 with at&t that's never been rooted but I would like to. Can sometimes point me in the right direction to get started?
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Anyone can point us to the right direction for rooting?
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zubero said:
Anyone can point us to the right direction for rooting?
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+1 for OC2, I mean all, I, am, seeing is Downgrade options to 4.4 KitKat then towel root then Safestrap then flash slotted Updated Lollipop Rom? All, I want is to remove bloat and use exposed, is there a root for OC2? Without downgrading thanks
Here's the video for downgrading and rooting. Then after that you can use any of the builds available. I'm using Alliance v12. Works like a charm,I almost gave up on my phone and was about to buy a new one. After downgrading to NC2,rooted and the pushing in Alliance 12 it's back. Thank you community.
https://youtu.be/QL6V7Y8vNms
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zubero said:
Here's the video for downgrading and rooting. Then after that you can use any of the builds available. I'm using Alliance v12. Works like a charm,I almost gave up on my phone and was about to buy a new one. After downgrading to NC2,rooted and the pushing in Alliance 12 it's back. Thank you community.
https://youtu.be/QL6V7Y8vNms
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So you downgraded to NC2 which I'm assuming is 4.4.2 becuase Im on NJ5, downgraded to NC2 or Jellybean I think and rooted with towel root and installed safestrap via the instructions, but when I try to reboot into Safestrap after installing and it installs, I grant it Superuser, and click Reboot to Recovery and nothing happens, any ideas? Becuase I need Safestrap, so I can flash Alliance, or Backup or anything else, but there are SO MANY conflicting OP's, regaurding Safestrap "it abandoned", "it only works on 4.2.2", "there's a work around for Safestrap on 4.4.4, by flashing Kitcat Kernal" "or Safestrap will work on on OC1 also with correct kernel"
All I want is to be on the "LATEST FIRMWARE FOR THIS PHONE, THAT WILL ALLOW ME TO EFFECTIVELY USE SAFESTRAP, TO BACK UP, FLASH, AND RUN ALLIANCE ETC..."
IF that means being someone a beer, I'm cool with that, been around here for awhile and had many Samsung phone Notes One, Two, S3, S4, but never had to deal with this bootloader crap, just so frustrated at this point[emoji726]
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Did you install busybox before installing safestrap?
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Yeah I'm pretty sure I did I mean I have Busy box installed of course, and Safestrap, and I'm not sure in what order, however if Busy box was causing the issue, then Safestrap would not install at all, right? But yes now that I remember, when I got this phone it was already updated to OC1 (at that time the latest build) after try to sift through all the different out dated tutorials, I finally just did what I mentioned above, but Safestrap "Installs fine", "Allows me to grant SU", then "allows me to (click)" reboot to recovery" then FAIL.... nothing happens, on NJ5, I know Safestrap ended development at some point, and don't you also have to flash a certain kernel in order for SS to work on KK? So Confused
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You need to install Busybox, then open busybox and tell it to install it into the system
Then open safestrap and do likewise.
I did this on nc2 no idea how it'll work on an older version.
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mrkhigh said:
You need to install Busybox, then open busybox and tell it to install it into the system
Then open safestrap and do likewise.
I did this on nc2 no idea how it'll work on an older version.
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so mrkhigh, thank you by the way first! off, to your response, so as far as you know "Safestrap" did not require any additional steps, to work on 4.3, like an updated kernel, which I know makes no sense to me eithier, other than the permission changes that occured at the true root level on NJ5 Update, and SafeStrap itself not being a true recovery, in the word of true TWRP, per this pain in my @$$ bootloader, which I have already made knowen in this community, AND others, is simply a loophole, to the "right to modify" ruling by the FTC some years back, if you will to the carriers, at&fee included among others
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