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I dont know if anyone has asked this, but what happens after 30 mins of the Xperia Z being submerged in water? Though the flaps loosen up and give in? Any ideas?
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It will spontaneously burst into flames, even under water.
On a serious note, probably nothing. IP57 is a test made for 30 minutes but chances are it'll survive a lot more. The next level requires endless submersion at a higher depth and that is probably unreasonable to test/expect. I wouldn't try it out though.
You should see the waterproofing as an extra security. Dropped your phone in a puddle, spilled some water over it, need to take a call and it's raining? No problem. It's meant to survive those things. What it is not meant to do is to remain operational while submersed in water (they've said this on their website). It will, but it's not made to be used as an underwater camera or as a shower texting device (even though it can do those things).
Haha
Great to know, thanks.
I would though like to see a review site test it for longer, just to push the Xperia Z to its limits.
Id expect it it text in the shower like the Nokia 5210? Which I used to have years ago.
But I understand the rest. Thanks Ambroos
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(IP)(5)(7)
IP = Ingress Protection
5 = Dust protected
Desc - Ingress of dust is not entirely prevented, but it must not enter in sufficient quantity to interfere with the satisfactory operation of the equipment; complete protection against contact
7 = Immersion up to 1 m
Desc:
Ingress of water in harmful quantity shall not be possible when the enclosure is immersed in water under defined conditions of pressure and time (up to 1 m of submersion).
Test Routine:
Test duration: 30 minutes
Immersion at depth of at least 1 m measured at bottom of device, and at least 15 cm measured at top of device
The reason why it's not 8 because for you to be able to get IP58 is
8 = Immersion beyond 1 m
Desc: The equipment is suitable for continuous immersion in water under conditions which shall be specified by the manufacturer. Normally, this will mean that the equipment is hermetically sealed. However, with certain types of equipment, it can mean that water can enter but only in such a manner that it produces no harmful effects.
Test Routine:
Test duration: continuous immersion in water
Depth specified by manufacturer
and to get the IP67
6 = Dust tight
Desc: No ingress of dust; complete protection against contact
The highest level is IP68 which requires a dust tight and is capable of staying underwater for an unlimited time. Like submarines.
But this isn't dust tight because of the open ports. And also this can't emerge underwater for an unlimited time because the body isn't airtight and moisture can develop inside the case if submerged longer.
So.......... It is only stated to last 30minutes underwater because that's the criteria level of IP rules is not very specific enough.
So sony only have 2 choices for this... Either go with the rule to state the device that it can be submerged 1meter for 30 minutes or state that it can be submerged down below the water for centuries
So to summarize it all the 30minutes 1 meter is not the device limitation but just the certification's description.
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I dont know if anyone has asked this, but what happens after 30 mins of the Xperia Z being submerged in water? Though the flaps loosen up and give in? Any ideas?
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check this video
http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x86rd1_submarine-model-pressure-hull-colla_tech#.URzR7Wdp7DU
Just means its ok to watch porn on the shower
while reading this thread, the follwing question comes into my mind: what about using the phone while taking a bath? don't get me wrong: i do not talk about reading websites UNDER water, but what about the steam? can the phone resist the steam? is this also included in ip 57?
hebbe said:
while reading this thread, the follwing question comes into my mind: what about using the phone while taking a bath? don't get me wrong: i do not talk about reading websites UNDER water, but what about the steam? can the phone resist the steam? is this also included in ip 57?
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thanks for your answer.
so just to be sure and safe: while taking a hot, steamy bath, i can surf the internet (above the water, of course), and the steam can't do any harm to the XZ?
that'll be awesome. how often did i wish i could use my tablet or smartphone for reading stuff while lying in the bath-tube...
hebbe said:
thanks for your answer.
so just to be sure and safe: while taking a hot, steamy bath, i can surf the internet (above the water, of course), and the steam can't do any harm to the XZ?
that'll be awesome. how often did i wish i could use my tablet or smartphone for reading stuff while lying in the bath-tube...
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Hot temperature expands air so it should be safe what you need to worry about is cold water Not that water will get inside but the air inside the device could become moisture if it's cold and wet so dunno for sure
from my experience as a diver, I can say that it is not so much about the duration in water but about the depth and the pressure. The deeper you go into water, the higher is the pressure. For every 10 meter, the pressure doubles. From 1 bar to 2 bar and so on. What this means, is, if you go beyond the depth for which the phone is specified and tested, the protective covers might be too weak to hold steady against the pressure of the water around it. Then they'll give in and bulge inside, thus water comes in -> phone's dead!
This may not mean that if you go 1,1m that the phone will die immediately. It could withstand 2 m, maybe even 3 or 5. But I wouldn't bet or try it out. It may survive these depths, but only for a very short time.
To conclude, I would assume that going to swim for 1 hour in up to 1 m should be fine. But going down to 3m for 5 minutes - not so good idea.
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Just means its ok to watch porn on the shower
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That made me literally laugh out loud:good:
Well I've got my Xperia z, after 4 hours of playing with it, i have put it in the water, everthing its OK? Well no... The Loudspeaker now seems to be muffled. :/
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Well I've got my Xperia z, after 4 hours of playing with it, i have put it in the water, everthing its OK? Well no... The Loudspeaker now seems to be muffled. :/
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somewhere i read that after taking it out of the water, the speaker has to "dry" in order to work properly again. so just wait a few hours and tell us if sound is ok again.
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Well I've got my Xperia z, after 4 hours of playing with it, i have put it in the water, everthing its OK? Well no... The Loudspeaker now seems to be muffled. :/
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wait till it dries off, then the speaker would be ok.
hebbe said:
somewhere i read that after taking it out of the water, the speaker has to "dry" in order to work properly again. so just wait a few hours and tell us if sound is ok again.
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That's normal. Wait till the water dries off, then the speaker will go back to normal.
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Well I've got my Xperia z, after 4 hours of playing with it, i have put it in the water, everthing its OK? Well no... The Loudspeaker now seems to be muffled. :/
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Wait it dries off the speaker or muffled and yes but not fully dry now. Give 30 minute it at least or more so it get out water.
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You are all right . 30m later was OK :highfive:
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Hello all, just wanted to inform all that I've experienced this odd thing with the Z that no one has seemed to have gone through, not sure of course...
But before anything else, as it was a huge selling point for a lot of hiking and travelling me, the water proofing needed to be tested.
I took it out of the box, peeled the plastic protectors off the front and back glasses, threw it in a glass.
- Now my camera has some fog inside, the volume down button has started to work again after half an hour, the loudspeaker is understandably very bad right now.
- Currently trying to get the fog out of the camera and hoping the loudspeaker to go back to normal.
- I will contact Sony tomorrow to discuss the problem and will update this as often as I can.
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Solved!
- As Akiainavas has pointed out to me, it is actually written in the instructions manual, it is normal for the camera to get foggy between shifts from under water to outside the water, I've tested it work perfectly under water.
- Once dried out, all is good, it just took a lot longer for me compared to other people because of the low room temp I am used to I guess.
- The phone is all good, all working.
* Now on the to-do list: Unlock, Root, Flash, Enable Bravia through the whole user experience!
I heard that this is actually not uncommon. Let it dry. Try again tomorrow.
Indeed, i tested it the day i got and noticed the sound was very low after it was wet. After a half an hour (max 1 hr) sound will come back with normal volume. It's some protection thing i guess
It's just water on the speaker membrane that distorts the sound. Haven't got my phone yet, but try blowing it out. Waiting it out should work as mentioned.
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Now my camera has some fog inside
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Still have that problem?
Maybe its a faulty device with regard to that camera fog.... Can happen to one in thousand devices...
Surely sony will replace it...
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nikhiltanwar said:
Maybe its a faulty device with regard to that camera fog.... Can happen to one in thousand devices...
Surely sony will replace it...
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This brings up a Good question. Has anybody read the warranty?Does it actually Say You are Covered it you purposefully dunk it in a bowl of water?
I mean I understand there have been demonstrations doing this but it Seems like a really silly thing to do with your brand new phone
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This brings up a Good question. Has anybody read the warranty?Does it actually Say You are Covered it you purposefully dunk it in a bowl of water?
I mean I understand there have been demonstrations doing this but it Seems like a really silly thing to do with your brand new phone
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the matter is...
xony xperia Z has the CERTIFICATION, wich isn't something you say you have, is something that has to been tested by a specific organization...
so if is certified i think you have warranty right...
never had any issues with fog in the camera on my xperia acro s, even after having it in my pocket while swimming
the speakers issue is common though, but thats expected, as water is going to get inside the speaker holes no matter what, but all I need to do is just shake the phone and blow where the speakers are and they work perfectly fine after that
Uh...did you even at least try to test out to make sure the phone is working good before dumping it into the water?
Right, it's been 12 hours now, I left it to dry out in a bag full of humid absorbing silicon bags over night.
- Right now the fog inside the camera lens is gone.
- However I think it is out of battery so I plugged into charging.
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the matter is...
xony xperia Z has the CERTIFICATION, wich isn't something you say you have, is something that has to been tested by a specific organization...
so if is certified i think you have warranty right...
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Exactly what I have in mind, I will be contacting Sony about this no matter what, the phone failed the water test out of the box, it is a feature they promote and demonstrate heavily. If they don't cover it in their warranty despite all the promotion and the effort they have put in this phone, then they are just idiots who have absolutely no idea of how one device failing like this can damage the image if they don't back it up with their warranty.
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Uh...did you even at least try to test out to make sure the phone is working good before dumping it into the water?
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Yes, it was all fully working - tested its other features without opening any of the covers to make sure the water test was legit for an hour or so.
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Update: The phone is working, buttons all working, speaker working, camera fog gone and this time it didn't come back as soon as I took it out of the air lock bag.
I am still contacting Sony to get information on what I should do, how I should feel...
I will test it again after my talk with them and on the direction they've given. Mind you, I tested it only in a half full glass of water so what I will do is to try and reproduce the problem.
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Update 2: I have just noticed that the charger is actually 1.5A and you cannot charge the phone from a computer unless you have a non-standard USB port like a 3A one that Gigabyte motherboards have.
Put mine in a vase of water yesterday for 5 mins and all was well, love it
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When submerged, and after that:
- Speaker will have very low volume for a while, until it dries off
- There might be a "fog" on the camera because of humidity and temperature differences
- Hardware buttons might not react perfectly until the water dries off
It's perfectly normal. It's in instruction manual... but whoever reads those these days
Quick copy and paste from the Sony UK website.
"[2] In compliance with IP5/7 and IP5X, Xperia Z is protected against the ingress of dust and is water resistant. Provided that all ports and covers are firmly closed, the phone is (i) protected against low pressure jets of water from all practicable directions in compliance with IP 55; and/or (ii) can be kept under 1 metre of freshwater for up to 30 minutes in compliance with IP 57. The phone is not designed to float or work submerged underwater outside the IP55 or IP57 classification range and should not be exposed to any liquid chemicals. If liquid detection is triggered on the handset or battery, your warranty will be void."
So it's only designed to be water resistant, and if it gets water damage, you're out of luck.
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So it's only designed to be water resistant, and if it gets water damage, you're out of luck.
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The thing is - it won't get damaged unless you leave the covers open. I asked Sony about it and apparently they have some tests to determine that - most likely a water detection that can be used even when the phone is dead. I think they'll probably just close the covers and put it in water to test it again, if waters gets in - it means your covers are flawed and you'll get a replacement. If not - it means you fkd up and you won't get your phone replaced.
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The thing is - it won't get damaged unless you leave the covers open. I asked Sony about it and apparently they have some tests to determine that - most likely a water detection that can be used even when the phone is dead. I think they'll probably just close the covers and put it in water to test it again, if waters gets in - it means your covers are flawed and you'll get a replacement. If not - it means you fkd up and you won't get your phone replaced.
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If that's the case then then that's awesome!
It'd make sense too, as what's the point of going to all the trouble of getting it certified water-resistant and advertising it as one of the main features, and then saying to everyone that gets the slightest bit of water ingress that they're f**ked.
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If that's the case then then that's awesome!
It'd make sense too, as what's the point of going to all the trouble of getting it certified water-resistant and advertising it as one of the main features, and then saying to everyone that gets the slightest bit of water ingress that they're f**ked.
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I trust Sony in this aspect. There are water sensitive tapes under every cover ( those little white things ) so they'll know which one leaked.
Also, remember what happened with Tablet S - it was supposed to be waterproof, but they detected a manufacturing defect that caused some of them to leak. Sony called every customer to Sony Center and provided a replacement of their device - dead or not, warranty or not... that's how you do it.
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Quick copy and paste from the Sony UK website.
"[2] In compliance with IP5/7 and IP5X, Xperia Z is protected against the ingress of dust and is water resistant. Provided that all ports and covers are firmly closed, the phone is (i) protected against low pressure jets of water from all practicable directions in compliance with IP 55; and/or (ii) can be kept under 1 metre of freshwater for up to 30 minutes in compliance with IP 57. The phone is not designed to float or work submerged underwater outside the IP55 or IP57 classification range and should not be exposed to any liquid chemicals. If liquid detection is triggered on the handset or battery, your warranty will be void."
So it's only designed to be water resistant, and if it gets water damage, you're out of luck.
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Akiainavas said:
The thing is - it won't get damaged unless you leave the covers open. I asked Sony about it and apparently they have some tests to determine that - most likely a water detection that can be used even when the phone is dead. I think they'll probably just close the covers and put it in water to test it again, if waters gets in - it means your covers are flawed and you'll get a replacement. If not - it means you fkd up and you won't get your phone replaced.
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I've read it somewhere that the interior also has water resilient coating actually for when tiny amounts of water goes in, I wonder if that's why the camera gets fogged inside because I just don't get how there can be fog when there is no humidity allowed into the interior components as long as you are in the limits of the IP57 certification.
Am I wrong in this? Does water proofing not mean the device not allowing any humidity inside whatsoever? or Is it that the air molecules carrying the humidity inside can still get past the water proofing?
Akiainavas said:
The thing is - it won't get damaged unless you leave the covers open. I asked Sony about it and apparently they have some tests to determine that - most likely a water detection that can be used even when the phone is dead. I think they'll probably just close the covers and put it in water to test it again, if waters gets in - it means your covers are flawed and you'll get a replacement. If not - it means you fkd up and you won't get your phone replaced.
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under flap covers there's a water-sensitive material wich becomes pink when water enters slots i've seen a photo from a review, but he has put his xperia z in many kind of water, beer too (beer has bubbles and carbon dioxide )
CaFFeiNe666 said:
under flap covers there's a water-sensitive material wich becomes pink when water enters slots i've seen a photo from a review, but he has put his xperia z in many kind of water, beer too (beer has bubbles and carbon dioxide )
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I'm much more likely to spill beer over it rather than water in perfect honesty, so thanks for the info there!
Not that I want to spill any beer... it's so sad when I do :crying:
The microusb flap on my 2 day old Xperia Z feels loose without any abuse to it. Initially it takes serious effort to pry it open, now it pops open smoothly with little effort. I thought I'd like to try washing my phone but judging on the flap, I'm not feeling comfortable putting the phone near water.
Does these water resistant seals require maintenance/periodic replacement from Sony?
How are the flaps of your phone? Do they still work even after they loosen up?
mengsuan said:
The microusb flap on my 2 day old Xperia Z feels loose without any abuse to it. Initially it takes serious effort to pry it open, now it pops open smoothly with little effort. I thought I'd like to try washing my phone but judging on the flap, I'm not feeling comfortable putting the phone near water.
Does these water resistant seals require maintenance/periodic replacement from Sony?
How are the flaps of your phone? Do they still work even after they loosen up?
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They loosen up while time passes, if you look the inside of the flaps you will see some kind of rubber coating, as long that's ok your phone should be fine.
Sony stated that the flaps can be opened 5 times a day and still survive for 2 years.
I'm rather worried about the connections to the flaps. They seem to bend rather easily and could prevent the lids from closing correctly.
I always apply some extra pressure before taking my Z near water, just to be safe.
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I'm rather worried about the connections to the flaps. They seem to bend rather easily and could prevent the lids from closing correctly.
I always apply some extra pressure before taking my Z near water, just to be safe.
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No worries. They're flexible but tough.
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I'm rather worried about the connections to the flaps.
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Even if they broke - the rubber seals are tight enough for you to close the cover and let it sit there. Those connections dont actually hold the covers in place - they just make sure you won't lose them.
I was dubious about the water proofing but I got drunk and tried it out in the pub the other night....
....phone still works like a charm!
Here is some vids I took dipping it in my friends pint.
http://youtu.be/jFQAL-9WY8s
and washing it in the sink after
http://youtu.be/m67XefjDKgM
I took mine to the shower about three times already. Even wrote about two texts and watched a few Youtube videos from there without a hitch. I'm definitely confident in them. A bit unrelated by at the same time related; I had a dream last night that I sat on my Z and it warped inwards and shattered from all sides, but upon closer inspection I noticed that it was the side's had a green tint to it as opposed to the regular blue, and that's when I realized that I was dreaming in my dream. I looked around for a bit (I was having dinner with dead celebrities and relatives), thanked them for the dinner and invitation and left (I wanted to start having a lucid dream but I wanted to check my real-life Z if everything is ok. I love the fact that I know my Z so well that I was able to point out its imposter's flaws and wake myself up in such a state of mind.
I've tested it into an aquatic center for more than 4 hours, he still works like a charm :victory:
This phone is just awesome.
I was a bit nervous but yup put it in a jug of water just to test and because it shocks the family. Even took it in the shower this morning and was sending texts!
My Brother, Mum and Dad have all swapped their IPhones for a Xperia Z. It's just cool.
I see you guys \ girls have no fear for water when it comes to Xperia Z.
But the real question here is: Who opens the flaps frequently and is still brave enough to use it under water?
(Reason for asking is, there is a lot of nice stories up here but none of these confirm they open the flaps frequently... and that is what this topic is about.)
Kind regards, Stefan.
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I see you guys \ girls have no fear for water when it comes to Xperia Z.
But the real question here is: Who opens the flaps frequently and is still brave enough to use it under water?
(Reason for asking is, there is a lot of nice stories up here but none of these confirm they open the flaps frequently... and that is what this topic is about.)
Kind regards, Stefan.
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Well I personally keep opening my flaps constantly to sync with my Jawbone UP band and when I was testing my OTG cable and no issues. It's just so cool to be able to use in the shower if needed.
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i was a bit nervous but yup put it in a jug of water just to test and because it shocks the family. Even took it in the shower this morning and was sending texts!
My brother, mum and dad have all swapped their iphones for a xperia z. It's just cool.
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Flop loosed
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The microusb flap on my 2 day old Xperia Z feels loose without any abuse to it. Initially it takes serious effort to pry it open, now it pops open smoothly with little effort. I thought I'd like to try washing my phone but judging on the flap, I'm not feeling comfortable putting the phone near water.
Does these water resistant seals require maintenance/periodic replacement from Sony?
How are the flaps of your phone? Do they still work even after they loosen up?
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Microusb flap loosed too, can someone tell me where can i buy it???
DelTree© said:
I was dubious about the water proofing but I got drunk and tried it out in the pub the other night....
....phone still works like a charm!
Here is some vids I took dipping it in my friends pint.
http://youtu.be/jFQAL-9WY8s
and washing it in the sink after
http://youtu.be/m67XefjDKgM
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i wonder if the microphone or speaker get damaged when you apply a moderate stream of water to the holes..
manual says only use a low output stream of water to clean it.
Thats really bad my xperia Z micro usb flap is damaged i lost the rubber seals and i cant find anyone can repair that IM READY TO PAY 25$ JUST FOR ONE USB FLAP and also i dont have a credit card SO I CANT BUY ONLINE
I kinda sorta accepting that my Z flaps lost their resistance property after one year continuously open and close. So kinda missed those. Now my Z just a normal phone with awesome camera only :/
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For me, when you push in the flaps with the top slightly going in first, it goes in loosely
so when you push it in, try and push the top and bottom in evenly, or the bottom ever so slightly in first.
just my experiences with the flaps.
also, oil from your fingers might make the rubber bits slipperly, so try and wipe then on your shirt, cloth or something and see if it helps.
I have a problem with the headphone flap uncovers itself, my phone only has 2 months of use, I could do to fix it? because it is not physically damaged, not even use headphones constantly've only used about 10 times, I hope you can give me some ideas. thanks!!!
Looking for flap replacements?
Here is from Witrigs, tested and proven by many here on XDA. i'm gonna order for my Z1 compact for reserve purposes.
http://www.witrigs.com/sony-xperia-z-replacement-parts
Edit: Guys these are not OEM flaps, sorry about that. Thought so they have OEM flaps like for Z1 and Z1 compact.
Hey guys, I would like to buy Xperia Z because of the water proof feature. And I read lots of articles about people who has water damaged Xperia Z despite flaps closed. I want Xperia Z because I want to take photos and record videos underwater (just pool not salty water).
Is this possible to get water damaged despite all the flaps closed? Because It is I will head to HTC One.
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Hey guys, I would like to buy Xperia Z because of the water proof feature. And I read lots of articles about people who has water damaged Xperia Z despite flaps closed. I want Xperia Z because I want to take photos and record videos underwater (just pool not salty water).
Is this possible to get water damaged despite all the flaps closed? Because It is I will head to HTC One.
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Some things to consider:
1. The phone is water resistant, not waterproof.
2. Even a pool defeats the phone certification of water resistance. Below 1 meter of depth, water could force its way in into the flaps, even if flaps are properly sealed.
3. Flaps wear out, so getting a dock to charge and bluetooth headset to avoid opening and closing flaps is advisable.
4. Defects in manufacturing could be a cause of water entering the device.
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Some things to consider:
1. The phone is water resistant, not waterproof.
2. Even a pool defeats the phone certification of water resistance. Below 1 meter of depth, water could force its way in into the flaps, even if flaps are properly sealed.
3. Flaps wear out, so getting a dock to charge and bluetooth headset to avoid opening and closing flaps is advisable.
4. Defects in manufacturing could be a cause of water entering the device.
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1- Yeah, I know that. Stili t has IP5/7, 1 meter depth and 30 min. duration.
2- I will use it at 30-50 cm's.
3- Yes, I will buy dock and bluetooth headset.
4- If It has manufacturing problem Sony wouldn't change it?
DrKrFfXx said:
Some things to consider:
1. The phone is water resistant, not waterproof.
2. Even a pool defeats the phone certification of water resistance. Below 1 meter of depth, water could force its way in into the flaps, even if flaps are properly sealed.
3. Flaps wear out, so getting a dock to charge and bluetooth headset to avoid opening and closing flaps is advisable.
4. Defects in manufacturing could be a cause of water entering the device.
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I think most people take photos underwater just below the surface of the water...i don't think anyone would go all the way down to take photo.
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I think most people take photos underwater just below the surface of the water...i don't think anyone would go all the way down to take photo.
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I made a photo 2m below water.
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I made a photo 2m below water.
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You're one of the few I guess haha. Btw your z not acting weird or anything after going down 2m?
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If it's manufacturing fault and water went in, Sony will fix it or replace the phone.
I'm not sure if anyone is aware, but the flappy charging port cover is just dust protection cover, it provides no waterproofing. I cut mine off months ago it's very annoying. It does not affect the phone's ability to survive 1 meter of water for 30 minutes.
My phone see's water daily in the shower or going wakesurfing. Still working like brand new since day 1!
I don't know that I'd be willing to risk it. How can something possibly prevent water from entering, but allow dust in? Even if the port is sealed off from the rest of the device (like the headphone port), you have to consider that you are introducing electricity into the environment. Any amount of residual water can and will cause a short.
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I don't know that I'd be willing to risk it. How can something possibly prevent water from entering, but allow dust in? Even if the port is sealed off from the rest of the device (like the headphone port), you have to consider that you are introducing electricity into the environment. Any amount of residual water can and will cause a short.
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It makes sense. Sealing it off to prevent water intrusion w/o the flap seems pretty easy, but to make the port dust proof you'd need the flap (the innards of the phone would be water/dust proof behind the connection port, the flap would be to keep the dust out of the port only)
I won't try it but if you're saying it works for you I'll feel a little better when the wife's port cover rips off...
That's good to know, mine's been getting looser and looser and I've been more worried to go near water since it isn't feeling so tight anymore!
Keep in mind that if you have at&t, this should be covered under the 1 year warranty. You may have to argue a bit with the rep, but I got mine replaced when it pulled off.
As a fixer, I decided to test this theory. My friend's two year old ripped her charge port cover off and wanted me to fix it. I've been looking for the past day, and haven't found anything that is a direct replacement, just filler pieces for generic micro-USB or for the S3 ports (same thing, really).
So I took the phone apart so I could see the inside, and I, using electrical contact cleaner spray so I don't break the phone, barely pulled the trigger so it would dribble down into the port instead of blast everywhere. Well, I saw contact cleaner on the inside of the phone within like 2 seconds.
Conclusion: the charge port is not sealed. It might handle a splash if you let the port dry out, but forget about dunking it.
As a tip, search eBay for "6pcs Micro USB Port Dust Cap Cover for Samsung Galaxy S III S3 GT-I9300 (Black)". That is the title of the listing where I found 6 filler pieces for $5 USD, while the popular link provided in these forums for TOPI Covers (topicovers .com/products/micro-usb-port-cover) sells them at $2 each.
I contacted the support center for the store (Elkjp, a norwegian national store owned the Dixon Group) where I bought my Galaxy S4 Active about the cover for the USB-connector, and got this reply (translated into English):
"According to the manufacturer the USB-connector itself is waterproof without the rubber cover. The robber cover is only for dust protection. Normally the warranty does not cover water damage, but with some products, like you Galaxy S4 Active, we will approve your warranty request if water have penetrated into the phone, as long as it has no other visual damages."
Unsure who the store's support supervisor has contacted for this informastion, might be just a wild quess by the supervisor or Samsung in Norway. The manufacturer warranty in Norway is 2 year for Samsung mobile phones, and national customer warranty/complaints are 5 years for mobile phones, according to Norwegian law.
Clarence_C said:
As a fixer, I decided to test this theory. My friend's two year old ripped her charge port cover off and wanted me to fix it. I've been looking for the past day, and haven't found anything that is a direct replacement, just filler pieces for generic micro-USB or for the S3 ports (same thing, really).
So I took the phone apart so I could see the inside, and I, using electrical contact cleaner spray so I don't break the phone, barely pulled the trigger so it would dribble down into the port instead of blast everywhere. Well, I saw contact cleaner on the inside of the phone within like 2 seconds.
Conclusion: the charge port is not sealed. It might handle a splash if you let the port dry out, but forget about dunking it.
As a tip, search eBay for "6pcs Micro USB Port Dust Cap Cover for Samsung Galaxy S III S3 GT-I9300 (Black)". That is the title of the listing where I found 6 filler pieces for $5 USD, while the popular link provided in these forums for TOPI Covers (topicovers .com/products/micro-usb-port-cover) sells them at $2 each.
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No offense, but you sound less than scientific and I see numerous holes in your testing. If the device is rated by the manufacturer to be waterproof without the USB flap then it seems unreasonable to question without definitive evidence that it is not, which thus far you have failed to provide.
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i agree. dont mock if you are no expert!!
The IP67 rating is based upon 1 meter of water depth for 30 minutes without water intrusion. This requires positive sealing methods like the silicone gasket on the cover with snap clips holding it down with pressure. A little flappy cover that just sets in place provides no sealing what so ever at 1.4psi.
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No offense, but you sound less than scientific and I see numerous holes in your testing. If the device is rated by the manufacturer to be waterproof without the USB flap then it seems unreasonable to question without definitive evidence that it is not, which thus far you have failed to provide.
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I checked the manual (from Samsung.com) and on page 11 says it's NOT waterproof without the USB cover correctly in place:
"Caution! Be careful not to damage or detach the multipurpose jack cover. A damaged or missing cover can result in water damage to the device."
It may be a CYA note, or maybe it's not water-resistant without the cover. As far as I can find this is the only 'official' word on whether or not it's water-resistant without the flap (which its supposedly not). I'm not doubting the OP by any means, if his phone works without the cover that's great, but I'm not going to rip mine off on purpose to test it out.
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The IP67 rating is based upon 1 meter of water depth for 30 minutes without water intrusion. This requires positive sealing methods like the silicone gasket on the cover with snap clips holding it down with pressure. A little flappy cover that just sets in place provides no sealing what so ever at 1.4psi.
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So, a rubber stopper in a sink or bathtub will not seal because the water is only a few inches deep?
In theory, the flap will always seal if it fits well (no dirt, cracks, etc.) and the pressure outside the phone is greater than the pressure inside the phone, but not so great a difference to structurally deform or damage the seal. If the phone remains vertical with the flap at the bottom, it doesn't need the seal at all. Think of an inverted bottle without a cap. You can push it down into the water, but the air remains inside.
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Water proof cover.
If you do not like the dust cover on the phone you can try a piece of silicone ear plugs. The are designed to keep water out of your ears when swimming just don't force it into deep in the usb port. If your still not satisfied and you want to dunk the phone a simple zip lock bag works great for most phone and you can still use the touch screen though it will not be as sensitive. I have used plastic bags to keep my phone dry in the rain several times. Good luck, hope this was helpful.
Yes It is bit worry for me also and my phone is now out of warranty and I can not replace it.
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[/COLOR]The Samsung Galaxy S4 wireless charging kit is now available directly through Samsung’s accessory store. Should you choose to make charging on your GS4 “hassle free,” be prepared to shell out $90. In order to become a wireless charging machine, the Galaxy S4 needs both a charging cover (battery cover replacement) and the charging pad (pictured above). The back cover runs $39.99, while the pad will cost $49.99. If there is one added bonus to the charging pad, it’s the fact that it should work with all Qi-certified wireless charging products, so you could get some additional use out of it.
We’ve got links to Samsung’s site below for those who are interested.
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Where did you find the original samsung wireless covers?
I cant find them anywhere?
Do you have a link?
BR
The S4 cover is different than the S4 Active for obvious reasons. It won't fit.
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Keep in mind that if you have at&t, this should be covered under the 1 year warranty. You may have to argue a bit with the rep, but I got mine replaced when it pulled off.
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Did they send you the part or did you have to send your phone to them? I don't mind replacing it myself. I ripped mine as well and I also noticed that it isn't as loud with the cover off(noticed that before it ripped off). Either way, I use my phone for work, so I can't be without a phone for weeks while they fix something.
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Did they send you the part or did you have to send your phone to them? I don't mind replacing it myself. I ripped mine as well and I also noticed that it isn't as loud with the cover off(noticed that before it ripped off). Either way, I use my phone for work, so I can't be without a phone for weeks while they fix something.
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They sent me a replacement, and only once I got that in the mail did I have to send in the defective unit.
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Confirmed cover not for waterproofing
I wanted to reiterate this statement. I spoke to Samsung technical support today and they confirmed that cover is just a dust cover. It has nothing to do with keeping water out of the phone. Mine broke off and I'm not going to attempt to replace it.
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I'm not sure if anyone is aware, but the flappy charging port cover is just dust protection cover, it provides no waterproofing. I cut mine off months ago it's very annoying. It does not affect the phone's ability to survive 1 meter of water for 30 minutes.
My phone see's water daily in the shower or going wakesurfing. Still working like brand new since day 1!
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Im not quite sure that usb port cover flap is only to protect from dust. Then why on every video, instructions, manuals, after unplugging usb cable there is a warning to close usb cover and in camera Aqua Mode too, if not closed properly this situation water will damage phone? I havent heard of wateroroof usb. Every waterproof phone has usb cover that protect usb port. Theres only waterproof headphone jack
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