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HD2, TMoUSA HD2, T8585, T9193...what's the PHYSICAL difference?

I just bought a T9193 version of the phone from an eBay seller in Australia and while I wait for it to arrive here in Delaware, I want to order some accessories that I know I need. (extra battery, desktop cradle, car cradle, etc.)
Now, when I'm browsing the 1,000's of ads on eBay, some of them specify that their product (cradle for example), only works with a particular model, and NOT the TMoUS version. That being said, there would have to be a PHYSICAL difference between all of the device models. Can anyone shed some light on this for me?

SportbikeRiderXX said:
I just bought a T9193 version of the phone from an eBay seller in Australia and while I wait for it to arrive here in Delaware, I want to order some accessories that I know I need. (extra battery, desktop cradle, car cradle, etc.)
Now, when I'm browsing the 1,000's of ads on eBay, some of them specify that their product (cradle for example), only works with a particular model, and NOT the TMoUS version. That being said, there would have to be a PHYSICAL difference between all of the device models. Can anyone shed some light on this for me?
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The t9193 is the Austrailian version and uses 850/2100 mhz band. Afaik from a quick google AT&T use 850/1900 mhz so the 3g will work fine in most places but not all, see here for coverage:
http://cellularmaps.com/att_850_1900.shtml
As for desktop cradle and car cradle the they both have micro usb ports and require the same voltage so will both work with the same cradles.

dowlinr said:
The t9193 is the Austrailian version and uses 850/2100 mhz band. Afaik from a quick google AT&T use 850/1900 mhz so the 3g will work fine in most places but not all, see here for coverage:
http://cellularmaps.com/att_850_1900.shtml
As for desktop cradle and car cradle the they both have micro usb ports and require the same voltage so will both work with the same cradles.
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The T9193 uses 850MHz for HSPA..., so I'll be able to access AT&T's 3G data, but thank you for your concern.
I'm asking about the PHYSICAL size/shape of the device. Some items offered for the HD2 on eBay (an Otterbox for example) specify that it will only work with the International version of the phone, and NOT the US (T-Mobile USA) version of the device. There must be SOME difference to warrant that...

SportbikeRiderXX said:
The T9193 uses 850MHz for HSPA..., so I'll be able to access AT&T's 3G data, but thank you for your concern.
I'm asking about the PHYSICAL size/shape of the device. Some items offered for the HD2 on eBay (an Otterbox for example) specify that it will only work with the International version of the phone, and NOT the US (T-Mobile USA) version of the device. There must be SOME difference to warrant that...
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The TmoUSA HD2 is T-mobile branded. because its branded it's 1.5mm(i think that's the right number but you can check comparison charts online) taller than any other version of the phone. That's way they're clarified as either US or International. Either way the TmoUSA is taller and therefore the two types can't use the same cases because it wont wit 'perfectly' like for example:Otterbox's

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The TmoUSA HD2 is T-mobile branded. because its branded it's 1.5mm(i think that's the right number but you can check comparison charts online) taller than any other version of the phone. That's way they're clarified as either US or International. Either way the TmoUSA is taller and therefore the two types can't use the same cases because it wont wit 'perfectly' like for example:Otterbox's
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Thanks, googlesax. That's the type of answer I was looking for.

The 9193 and 8585 are same size, the T-Mo US version is the only one that is sized differently, and it's 1.5mm taller, like the poster above said. Anything that works with euro hd2 (t8585) will work with yours. Have fun with your new hd2, it's a great device.

More than one version of T9193?
I'm shopping for a T9193 to use on AT&T's 3G network in Arizona. I came across several websites that list both a 'T9193 T-Mobile' version and a 'T9193 Unlocked' version. I assume one is branded for T-Mobile, while the other is not, however I thought the T-Mobile version is the T8585. Are there two T-Mobile versions? If so, do they both receive the 850 MHz 3G band, or just the Telstra version? Aside from 3G bands, are there any other hardware differences (amount of RAM for instance) between the models, or just the fact that they are branded/locked?
By the way, I have spoken with several AT&T reps and they will be getting rid of the Edge & GPRS data services in the next frew months (which are on the 1900 MHz frequency) and moving to 850 MHz nationwide by the end of 2011, so if you want the HD2, you're only bet is the T9393. If you buy a T-Mo US HD2 and want to use it on AT&T it will be useless in a matter of months.

azwildcat98 said:
I'm shopping for a T9193 to use on AT&T's 3G network in Arizona. I came across several websites that list both a 'T9193 T-Mobile' version and a 'T9193 Unlocked' version. I assume one is branded for T-Mobile, while the other is not, however I thought the T-Mobile version is the T8585. Are there two T-Mobile versions? If so, do they both receive the 850 MHz 3G band, or just the Telstra version? Aside from 3G bands, are there any other hardware differences (amount of RAM for instance) between the models, or just the fact that they are branded/locked?
By the way, I have spoken with several AT&T reps and they will be getting rid of the Edge & GPRS data services in the next frew months (which are on the 1900 MHz frequency) and moving to 850 MHz nationwide by the end of 2011, so if you want the HD2, you're only bet is the T9393. If you buy a T-Mo US HD2 and want to use it on AT&T it will be useless in a matter of months.
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There's only one hd2 with the 850 3g band, and that's the t9193 telstra branded phone. The T-Mobile phone is not a t9193 and does not have 850 band.
Gprs and edge work on the same frequency as their voice service... even if they drop the 1900 MHz frequency, they will still have edge and gprs. It doesn't make sense that they could get rid of it altogether... that would ruin a ton of their old phones people are still using on their service. They wouldn't do that.
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Thanks for the info .... that's what I thought too, that there was only the T9193 for Telstra, and then T8585 for T-Mobile.
Making things even more confusing, apparently both the T8585 & T9193 have the same amount of RAM on-board, but the T-Mobile one has more RAM available, while the T9193 has a portion of it locked. Is there anyway to unlock the RAM to bring it in par with T-Mobile? I'd hate to spend so much on a phone and have it crippled like that.

azwildcat98 said:
Thanks for the info .... that's what I thought too, that there was only the T9193 for Telstra, and then T8585 for T-Mobile.
Making things even more confusing, apparently both the T8585 & T9193 have the same amount of RAM on-board, but the T-Mobile one has more RAM available, while the T9193 has a portion of it locked. Is there anyway to unlock the RAM to bring it in par with T-Mobile? I'd hate to spend so much on a phone and have it crippled like that.
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The T-Mobile US is not a t8585... the t8585 is the European model and has same size and specs as t9193. The T-Mobile US is a third model that came out months later than the other 2 models. It is slightly taller and had 1gb of ROM (internal NAND memory) while the 8585 & 9193 have 512mb ROM. The RAM size is actually the same on all the models, but on the 8585&9193 you must unlock part of it by flashing a more recent radio. So basically, all the models are the same except that the T-Mobile USA HD2 has double the ROM size, which is nice, but isn't that big of a deal.
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azwildcat98 said:
Thanks for the info .... that's what I thought too, that there was only the T9193 for Telstra, and then T8585 for T-Mobile.
Making things even more confusing, apparently both the T8585 & T9193 have the same amount of RAM on-board, but the T-Mobile one has more RAM available, while the T9193 has a portion of it locked. Is there anyway to unlock the RAM to bring it in par with T-Mobile? I'd hate to spend so much on a phone and have it crippled like that.
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Hey just so you know, AZ does not have 850mhz for AT&T 3G. I have a T9193, and it only obtains Edge connectivity, even with the proper radio. I have contacted AT&T in regards to this, and they stated they do not own the 850mhz band for AZ and have no plans to use it in the future. Just figured I'd tell you so you don't waste money expecting 3G.
Here is a decent map of their network:
http://www.cellularmaps.com/att_850_1900.shtml

azalex86 said:
Hey just so you know, AZ does not have 850mhz for AT&T 3G. I have a T9193, and it only obtains Edge connectivity, even with the proper radio. I have contacted AT&T in regards to this, and they stated they do not own the 850mhz band for AZ and have no plans to use it in the future. Just figured I'd tell you so you don't waste money expecting 3G.
Here is a decent map of their network:
http://www.cellularmaps.com/att_850_1900.shtml
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I'm in Delaware and I'm getting really good 3G coverage. My only regret is not getting this phone sooner.

Doesn't the T-Mobile version have the HSDPA 1700/2100MHz band and the initial HTC HD2 has HSDPA 900/2100Mhz band? Because the trouble i am getting in New Zealand is that i get poor reception indoors with the T-mobile variant which i got from the states which is what i suspect to be the missing 900mhz band which is supposed to be able to penetrate better through walls hence giving better indoor reception.

Atrix on t Mobile?

Could I but it unlocked from Motorola? How much? And will it work? How much 3g can I get on it? Is it worth it?

Come on man..common sense. It won't get T-Mobile 3G without AWS bands, unless Motorola included some new antenna we don't know about. In which case, you'll have to wait till it's been released.
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Oh so edge only. That sucks.

BUT WAIT
LOOK AT THE SPEC ON THESE TWO PHONES
T-MOBILE G2 - http://www.htc.com/us/products/t-mobile-g2/#tech-specs
Processor 800 MHz Qualcomm MSM 7230
Operating System Android 2.2
Memory 4GB ROM, 512 MB RAM
Display 3.7-inch WVGA 480x 800 resolution, capacitive touchpanel
Network GSM: 850, 900, 1800, 1900 UMTS: Yes
Motorola Atrix 4G - http://www.motorola.com/Consumers/U...ces/Mobile-Phones/ci.Motorola-ATRIX-US-EN.alt
WCDMA 850/1900/2100, GSM 850/900/1800/1900, HSDPA 14Mbps (Category 10) Edge Class 12, GPRS Class 12, eCompass, AGPS
I THINK IT WILL WORK WITH 3G AND HSDPA+!!!

Bro if it does I will get it unlocked. I just went to t mobile and they told me I had to pay 400 to cancel my contract but that I could upgrade! What kind of crap is that. They just want to keep you forever!

But on the Motorola website I don't see I could buy it unlocked

No they don't. When buy a subsidized phone you pay for it over the life of contract with a little interest. If you cancel contract you basically end up paying for the phone.
T mobile is the only carrier out the main four that lets you bring your own phone and gives you cheaper monthly plan with no contract.
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So what can I do

ramirez3805 said:
So what can I do
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First suggestion is not post in the Nexus One Q&A about $randomphone
Second, you might want to check to see if you even WANT the Atrix. Let's just keep it simple and say this: No custom ROMs for any Motorola phone, ever. Unless someone decrypts or otherwise rips open the bootloader.
Do you use a custom ROM on the Nexus One? Would you use a stock ROM?

[Q] Will unlocked T-Mobile HTC 8X work on AT&T?

Here is the spec sheet: http://www.t-mobile.com/shop/Phones/cell-phone-detail.aspx?cell-phone=Windows-Phone-8X-by-HTC
I don't know the carrier standards very well. After I unlock it, will it work on AT&T and will I get full speed data?
Thanks in advance,
Barry

BarryF said:
Here is the spec sheet: http://www.t-mobile.com/shop/Phones/cell-phone-detail.aspx?cell-phone=Windows-Phone-8X-by-HTC
I don't know the carrier standards very well. After I unlock it, will it work on AT&T and will I get full speed data?
Thanks in advance,
Barry
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Looks like the T-Mobile version does not have LTE, so that will not work.
UTMS [3G] HSPA(+) [3.5G] should work as the T-mobile version has the same bands as the AT&T version.

matthew5025 said:
Looks like the T-Mobile version does not have LTE, so that will not work.
UTMS [3G] HSPA(+) [3.5G] should work as the T-mobile version has the same bands as the AT&T version.
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Thanks very much for your reply. If I unlocked the AT&T model instead, would I get max data speed on both carriers?
http://www.att.com/shop/wireless/de...htc-8gb-california-blue.html#fbid=G0E5YWfcKDA

BarryF said:
Thanks very much for your reply. If I unlocked the AT&T model instead, would I get max data speed on both carriers?
http://www.att.com/shop/wireless/de...htc-8gb-california-blue.html#fbid=G0E5YWfcKDA
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The AT&T model seems to lack the 1700 band T-Mobile uses, although all the rest of the frequency are present, and will most likely to work with T-Mobile's upcoming LTE network. If in your area, T-Mobile uses the 1700Mhz frequency, you will have a problem.

matthew5025 said:
The AT&T model seems to lack the 1700 band T-Mobile uses, although all the rest of the frequency are present, and will most likely to work with T-Mobile's upcoming LTE network. If in your area, T-Mobile uses the 1700Mhz frequency, you will have a problem.
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I'm going to buy the AT&T model since it has LTE (and is $100 cheaper). It's just a dev phone so it's not the end of the world if I don't get 3G. I'll post here how it goes.

BarryF said:
I'm going to buy the AT&T model since it has LTE (and is $100 cheaper). It's just a dev phone so it's not the end of the world if I don't get 3G. I'll post here how it goes.
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Enjoy your new phone. Don't mind me asking, but why did you decide to get the 8X over the 920?

matthew5025 said:
Enjoy your new phone. Don't mind me asking, but why did you decide to get the 8X over the 920?
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Because all the Nokia phones are heavy bricks. Honestly they are the heaviest smartphones I've ever held.

BarryF said:
Because all the Nokia phones are heavy bricks. Honestly they are the heaviest smartphones I've ever held.
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Barry,
You probably bought your phone by now. For whatever it's worth, I just checked with HTC about Developer Edition of the "One" and although it lists all the frequencies in the spec sheet, they said it will only get 2G speeds on the T-Mobile network. Yes, that is 2G. Not 3G, not UMTS either, and of course no LTE. You might be better off with the AT&T version then. On the other hand, I just signed up with AT&T 4 months ago and have nothing but disconnects, dropped calls, garbled speech or no data whatsoever in my area. I have an HTC One X+. To me, it looks like they totally did an awesome job in marketing, when I was getting excellent reception and none of the above problems with T-Mobile. Again, it could be the area or AT&T's network.
I hope that helps.
Take care,
MW

i have an algerithim for t mobile 8x i would like for you to see barry it unlocks
BarryF said:
Here is the spec sheet: http://www.t-mobile.com/shop/Phones/cell-phone-detail.aspx?cell-phone=Windows-Phone-8X-by-HTC
I don't know the carrier standards very well. After I unlock it, will it work on AT&T and will I get full speed data?
Thanks in advance,
Barry
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barry I know im new but I have tested an algorithm on two t mobile window 8 phones and unlocked them and I would like to share with you and see what you think

[Q] Sony Xperia C6903, LTE on AT&T

I emailed GSM Nation to see when they would received the C6906 because I want to use LTE on AT&T. They sent me a reply saying that many of their customers use AT&T, and have been reporting LTE working.. Are they just blowing smoke up my ass? If not, is there a way to see what bands are active in each cities?

svfusion said:
I emailed GSM Nation to see when they would received the C6906 because I want to use LTE on AT&T. They sent me a reply saying that many of their customers use AT&T, and have been reporting LTE working.. Are they just blowing smoke up my ass? If not, is there a way to see what bands are active in each cities?
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i'd be cautious about buying the C6903 and using it on AT&T in the U.S. I had the international version of the Z earlier in march C6603 and i never got LTE on that phone, only HSPA+. I used this phone in Minneapolis and never saw LTE. I also did a road trip from Pittsburg to Orlando and never saw LTE on the way anywhere. Also used in Miami without LTE.
I believe its important to have the 700 band if you want to see LTE on the AT&T network on a device.

sunny051488 said:
i'd be cautious about buying the C6903 and using it on AT&T in the U.S. I had the international version of the Z earlier in march C6603 and i never got LTE on that phone, only HSPA+. I used this phone in Minneapolis and never saw LTE. I also did a road trip from Pittsburg to Orlando and never saw LTE on the way anywhere. Also used in Miami without LTE.
I believe its important to have the 700 band if you want to see LTE on the AT&T network on a device.
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You can use the 6903 model on AT&T, I'm using the Z1 on it right now. But to get LTE support you are correct, you need the 700Mhz band which is in the 6906 model.

Bleh, I had the same concern and called ATT and asked. The guy told me this.
ATT uses 700-1400mhz spectrum. meaning 700 though, not and. So any device that supports bands "in that range" will work fine. Was he misinformed, or is that right? When is the damn xxx6 model coming out anyway?

I'm using the xperia on ATT right now no LTE but I do get hspa+ which is fine (is a 50mbps connection REALLY needed for a phone?) Anyways there is a chance that LTE may work in the US because ATT is rolling out and already has the 1700mhz band in a bunch of cities: Phoenix, Raleigh, San Juan, Los Angeles, Las Vegas, Oklahoma City, Dallas, Chicago, Charlotte, Athens, GA and College Station, TX. The Nexus 4 people were reporting that it works but not sure about Z1. I'm not from any of these cities so i can't confirm if its working. Maybe someone can?

n4v1n said:
is a 50mbps connection REALLY needed for a phone?
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When it's been shown to give better battery life thanks to race to idle advantages? Absolutely.
http://www.anandtech.com/show/6330/the-iphone-5-review/13
>The non-LTE phones see a sharp drop in battery life. At least at 28nm the slower air interfaces simply have to remain active (and drawing power) for longer, which results in measurably worse battery life.
This doesn't work on slower LTE networks like verizon, but for us on ATT we can get better battery life while enjoying faster speeds. Note that in that graph anandtech measures HSPA+ as "3g", as it is 3g, despite ATT and verizon's marketing. I make this distinction to prevent people from thinking they are testing the older 1.4mbit or whatever network they used to use.
I'm probably going to get the Z1 without LTE functionality in my area anyway, because at the end of the day I'm without a smartphone right now (my HTC one got washed with my clothes and doesn't do much other than vibrate when it's plugged in now) and don't want to wait for Sony to stop being lazy and put out the model with 700mhz LTE.

youwonder said:
Bleh, I had the same concern and called ATT and asked. The guy told me this.
ATT uses 700-1400mhz spectrum. meaning 700 though, not and. So any device that supports bands "in that range" will work fine. Was he misinformed, or is that right? When is the damn xxx6 model coming out anyway?
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When it's been shown to give better battery life thanks to race to idle advantages? Absolutely.
http://www.anandtech.com/show/6330/the-iphone-5-review/13
>The non-LTE phones see a sharp drop in battery life. At least at 28nm the slower air interfaces simply have to remain active (and drawing power) for longer, which results in measurably worse battery life.
This doesn't work on slower LTE networks like verizon, but for us on ATT we can get better battery life while enjoying faster speeds. Note that in that graph anandtech measures HSPA+ as "3g", as it is 3g, despite ATT and verizon's marketing. I make this distinction to prevent people from thinking they are testing the older 1.4mbit or whatever network they used to use.
I'm probably going to get the Z1 without LTE functionality in my area anyway, because at the end of the day I'm without a smartphone right now (my HTC one got washed with my clothes and doesn't do much other than vibrate when it's plugged in now) and don't want to wait for Sony to stop being lazy and put out the model with 700mhz LTE.
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The only reason it improves battery life is because its take you less time to download things which is a given. If you're constantly downloading extremely large files then maybe you need it, but for me not so much.

svfusion said:
I emailed GSM Nation to see when they would received the C6906 because I want to use LTE on AT&T. They sent me a reply saying that many of their customers use AT&T, and have been reporting LTE working.. Are they just blowing smoke up my ass? If not, is there a way to see what bands are active in each cities?
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The answer is yes, they are blowing smoke up your ass. In order for a phone to get AT&T LTE, you need Band 17. That is their primary LTE band. They also supplementarily use Band 2, 4, and 5 in select cities where they don't have Band 17. Similar thread in the Z Ultra forums, which have similar models which might clarify this more if you need more details.

n4v1n said:
The only reason it improves battery life is because its take you less time to download things which is a given. If you're constantly downloading extremely large files then maybe you need it, but for me not so much.
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You did not read the source I linked I think. It shows web browsing, not downloading massive files. LTEs speed and therefore race to idle advantage applies to more than just downloading large files, it shows battery savings in normal day to day use, from things that drain quite a bit of battery like browsing to smaller things like syncing gmail accounts.

n4v1n said:
I'm using the xperia on ATT right now no LTE but I do get hspa+ which is fine (is a 50mbps connection REALLY needed for a phone?) Anyways there is a chance that LTE may work in the US because ATT is rolling out and already has the 1700mhz band in a bunch of cities: Phoenix, Raleigh, San Juan, Los Angeles, Las Vegas, Oklahoma City, Dallas, Chicago, Charlotte, Athens, GA and College Station, TX. The Nexus 4 people were reporting that it works but not sure about Z1. I'm not from any of these cities so i can't confirm if its working. Maybe someone can?
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You can use the 6903 model on AT&T, I'm using the Z1 on it right now. But to get LTE support you are correct, you need the 700Mhz band which is in the 6906 model.
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What speeds are you guys getting on ATT with the C6903? If the C6906 isn't shipping anywhere by midnext week I'm going to order the C6903, I've been android less for 2 weeks now, I'm going crazy. I don't use my phone as a hot spot or for file downloads, so I don't need crazy speeds which I don't even get anyway LTE wise in my area, usually 22mbps max and on average upper teens.

QwaarJet said:
What speeds are you guys getting on ATT with the C6903? If the C6906 isn't shipping anywhere by midnext week I'm going to order the C6903, I've been android less for 2 weeks now, I'm going crazy. I don't use my phone as a hot spot or for file downloads, so I don't need crazy speeds which I don't even get anyway LTE wise in my area, usually 22mbps max and on average upper teens.
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I'm getting 8.22 Mbps down and 1.13 Mbps up with full bars on AT&T right now. I'll do a few more tests to check for consistency.
EDIT: Just ran another test and I got 9.21 Mbps down and 1.13 Mbps up.

I'm full bars on my Lumia 920 here at work, only getting 5/0.6 on LTE so I guess C6903 would do just fine. I only ever get good LTE speeds at home, but I use my phone on my wifi connection there so it's not very useful. Thanks!

I received my Sony Xperia Z1 from GSM Nation yesterday and can vouch for the fact that the 6903 model will in fact NOT work with AT&T's 4G LTE network. I live in New York City too, if that means anything. I spent the entire afternoon trying to connect to the LTE network. Instead, I was able to connect to the 3G (HSPA+) network and that's it.
I am very unhappy about this and will be returning the phone to GSM Nation immediately. I love LTE speed and did not know that battery life was affected by it too (thanks for that youwonder!) so I'll patiently wait for the 6906 model to be released. Does anyone know when that might happen? I can live with my old Galaxy Note II for now I suppose. Agh!

QwaarJet said:
What speeds are you guys getting on ATT with the C6903? If the C6906 isn't shipping anywhere by midnext week I'm going to order the C6903, I've been android less for 2 weeks now, I'm going crazy. I don't use my phone as a hot spot or for file downloads, so I don't need crazy speeds which I don't even get anyway LTE wise in my area, usually 22mbps max and on average upper teens.
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I actually am in an area where I get LTE on AT&T with the 6903 interesting, it does get the normal speeds so highest so far 20 down which is pretty good.

AhsanU said:
I received my Sony Xperia Z1 from GSM Nation yesterday and can vouch for the fact that the 6903 model will in fact NOT work with AT&T's 4G LTE network. I live in New York City too, if that means anything. I spent the entire afternoon trying to connect to the LTE network. Instead, I was able to connect to the 3G (HSPA+) network and that's it.
I am very unhappy about this and will be returning the phone to GSM Nation immediately. I love LTE speed and did not know that battery life was affected by it too (thanks for that youwonder!) so I'll patiently wait for the 6906 model to be released. Does anyone know when that might happen? I can live with my old Galaxy Note II for now I suppose. Agh!
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Heres the message I got to the query, about at&t lte from GSM Nation, also asked them about 6906. Edited out private stuff.
"at&t's main frequency for LTE is 700 mhz so the 6903 working is really upto where in the US you live and that is unfortunately not information we would have. It is certainly limited markets for 1700's but these are just reports from customers from our followups.
Regardless we do not advertise it as compatible with at&t due to it being limited markets. And would advise that customers purchase it for use with at&t LTE at their own risk. The c6906 model traditionally comes to carriers first so that would be the safest bet at this time if your looking for at&t LTE. It should be available soon in the US."
seems pretty clear cut.

Sony Xperia ZL C6503 also no LTE
Rebsters said:
Heres the message I got to the query, about at&t lte from GSM Nation, also asked them about 6906. Edited out private stuff.
"at&t's main frequency for LTE is 700 mhz so the 6903 working is really upto where in the US you live and that is unfortunately not information we would have. It is certainly limited markets for 1700's but these are just reports from customers from our followups.
Regardless we do not advertise it as compatible with at&t due to it being limited markets. And would advise that customers purchase it for use with at&t LTE at their own risk. The c6906 model traditionally comes to carriers first so that would be the safest bet at this time if your looking for at&t LTE. It should be available soon in the US."
seems pretty clear cut.
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PMFJI. I own the C6506 (Sony branded, carrier unlocked) which support a wide range of bands including LTE IV and LTE XVII, both of which are used by AT&T. In addition, I get PCS 1900 which AT&T is rolling out.
I get NO LTE service and I was told this is by design. If you do not own an AT&T branded phone, the network will not permit you on the LTE network. I am provisioned for LTE but I cannot get even 4G.
This was not explained by anyone and it took me a number of support calls and escalations to learn this. I believe the only way to effect change on this rregressive policy is for people to complain. There is no reason to penalize BYOD customers who choose not to own an AT&T branded device.
My device specs for LTE: 4G Network LTE 700 / 850 / 1700 / 1900 / 2100 - C6506

Any have any info on this new speed update called spark? And tell me why it's not av

I recommended my buddy over to sprint. He got some big Samsung new phone. I forget the name. Any way. He comes in tells me the service sucks. I said your gonna have to deal with that lol, so he brings it to the store and they do a new speed update called spark. He comes back. He does a speed test on LTE getting 13 mbps download. I do it on my HTC One and not even get a Meg. I call up sprint and tell me the spark update is not for the flagship phone HTC One. Only Samsung phones!! Can you believe it?? Unbelievable. I got screwed again. Time to sell the phone and move on.
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Samsung sounds like the obvious choice, can't think of a reason to spend any more time using this inferior phone, Unbelievable man!
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Spark is Sprint's next version of LTE and I believe runs on a different frequency than their normal LTE, its also only available in select cities. Because it runs on a different frequency our HTC One's radios don't utilize it yet, if he got a newer device they may have the new radios built in. The next version of the One should have it as well I would assume.

fierceeagle2003 said:
I recommended my buddy over to sprint. He got some big Samsung new phone. I forget the name. Any way. He comes in tells me the service sucks. I said your gonna have to deal with that lol, so he brings it to the store and they do a new speed update called spark. He comes back. He does a speed test on LTE getting 13 mbps download. I do it on my HTC One and not even get a Meg. I call up sprint and tell me the spark update is not for the flagship phone HTC One. Only Samsung phones!! Can you believe it?? Unbelievable. I got screwed again. Time to sell the phone and move on.
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A Google search or a search of these forums would tell you the NEW Samsung GS4 hardware supports spark (the first runs of the S4 do not). The HTC One does not as the phone was released prior to spark being around. That said, why you would buy an HTC One or a new galaxy phone a month before they are to release the new refreshed versions is beyond me. You didn't get screwed, you failed to do your research.

indiscriminant said:
Spark is Sprint's next version of LTE and I believe runs on a different frequency than their normal LTE, its also only available in select cities. Because it runs on a different frequency our HTC One's radios don't utilize it yet, if he got a newer device they may have the new radios built in. The next version of the One should have it as well I would assume.
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That sums it up exactly.
If I'm not mistaken the HTC One Mega is spark capable.

SeriesOfTubes said:
That sums it up exactly.
If I'm not mistaken the HTC One Mega is spark capable.
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One Max*

No one can incorporate it into an HTC one radio? Or do we need different hardware?
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Some of y'all amaze me...
It is hardware dependent.
It cannot be implemented with a simple software or radio update.
HTC also has it on the One Max and upcoming devices.
Samsung is not the only device (LG/Nexus 5, HTC, LG...)
It is hardware dependent and cannot be implemented.
The sky is blue, water is good for you and global warming is a myth.
Did I mention that the One will NEVER be able to use Spark? :laugh::laugh:

Spark utilizes the 800/1900/2500 MHz bands. The HTC One (2013 Flagship phone) only can handle 800/1900 and not 2500. 2500 Mhz is the band that WiMax was using a few years ago. Only a few cities have Spark, and it will be faster, but how much speed do you need? Normal LTE should be in the 5 - 10 meg+ range and even good 3g is about 1 to 1 1/2 megs per second.

the.emilio said:
Some of y'all amaze me...
It is hardware dependent.
It cannot be implemented with a simple software or radio update.
HTC also has it on the One Max and upcoming devices.
Samsung is not the only device (LG/Nexus 5, HTC, LG...)
It is hardware dependent and cannot be implemented.
The sky is blue, water is good for you and global warming is a myth.
Did I mention that the One will NEVER be able to use Spark? :laugh::laugh:
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If I could hug you... Well i totally wouldn't because weird. But I'd want to.

weidnerj said:
Spark utilizes the 800/1900/2500 MHz bands. The HTC One (2013 Flagship phone) only can handle 800/1900 and not 2500. 2500 Mhz is the band that WiMax was using a few years ago. Only a few cities have Spark, and it will be faster, but how much speed do you need? Normal LTE should be in the 5 - 10 meg+ range and even good 3g is about 1 to 1 1/2 megs per second.
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From what I was told by a executive of Sprint Spark is tri-band . This means the Spark phones have the ability to search out the strongest signal and switch to it. FYI , you are walking down the street using the strongest signal the phone has found, say the 800 band. Going into a building the phone sees that inside the building the 2500 band is the strongest. the phone automatically switches to this stronger band.

leon sprouse said:
From what I was told by a executive of Sprint Spark is tri-band . This means the Spark phones have the ability to search out the strongest signal and switch to it. FYI , you are walking down the street using the strongest signal the phone has found, say the 800 band. Going into a building the phone sees that inside the building the 2500 band is the strongest. the phone automatically switches to this stronger band.
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It is correct on being tri band, but that is using all three bands at once. It is called aggregation. You wouldn't get any fast speed that LTE if only using one band because that is what is used today. But using three bands at once and aggregating them together, you can get 3 times the speed. FYI, 800 MHz is the best frequency, travels further and penetrates buildings better than the 2500 MHz frequency. Sprint for years and years was based on 1900 MHz and recently started to use the old 800 MHz freed up from Nextel.

weidnerj said:
It is correct on being tri band, but that is using all three bands at once. It is called aggregation. You wouldn't get any fast speed that LTE if only using one band because that is what is used today. But using three bands at once and aggregating them together, you can get 3 times the speed. FYI, 800 MHz is the best frequency, travels further and penetrates buildings better than the 2500 MHz frequency. Sprint for years and years was based on 1900 MHz and recently started to use the old 800 MHz freed up from Nextel.
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Lol I was kinda confused reading this to. How does one get better signal inside a building using 2500 MHz compared to 800 MHz.
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luigi311 said:
Lol I was kinda confused reading this to. How does one get better signal inside a building using 2500 MHz compared to 800 MHz.
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This one is kinda easy. Being that Clearwire sites are independent and don't run NV you might be right under one as opposed to a Sprint site that's further away. In that case the 2500 signal will be stronger. Like at my home for example.. I get 1-2 bars of LTE 1900 but my WiMAX devices will have full bars although it's on the 2500 frequency. It's actually quite sad WiMAX on my old S2 kicks the crap out of LTE on my Note 2 in speedtests but then again Hartford is saturated in WiMAX..
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weidnerj said:
Spark utilizes the 800/1900/2500 MHz bands. The HTC One (2013 Flagship phone) only can handle 800/1900 and not 2500. 2500 Mhz is the band that WiMax was using a few years ago. Only a few cities have Spark, and it will be faster, but how much speed do you need? Normal LTE should be in the 5 - 10 meg+ range and even good 3g is about 1 to 1 1/2 megs per second.
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It can only handle 1900 LTE not 800, there's no dualband LTE device. It can do 800 voice like the rest of the other non triband phones and that's it. Not to correct you or anything it's just reading that can mislead others lol
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