Challenges Siri and Samsung’s S Voice
LG recently announced the Quick Voice, a voice assistant will be available for some of their machines in a few weeks. The intention is to launch its line of smartphones that can compete on equal terms with Siri, Apple, and the S Voice of Samsung.
Like its competitors, Quick Voice understands voice commands and is able to create a natural interaction between humans and mobile phone. With it, you can search for information online, schedule appointments, call contacts from the phonebook and SMS messages to answer, among other features.
According to the company, the function will be offered through a system update for devices like the LG Optimus Optimus LTE II and LG Vu. However, the exact date and download the application forms have not yet been revealed.
I think it will not be available to our OB at all, just for new phones. But anyway I'm just want Google Now, this one have my attention right now. Too bad that we don't have even an ICS update from LG.
Dont know how it will be later, but for now this option will be available in china or korea, Dont remember the exact country at the moment.
Have you guys used Skyvi? it is better than siri in my opinion. and its available on Playstore...
If LG wont support our OB... Skyvi I believe is an alternative for our OB, and it is already there.
Really good news. Waiting for and see how it work with hopefull! :victory: :fingers-crossed:
wadelima said:
I think it will not be available to our OB at all, just for new phones. But anyway I'm just want Google Now, this one have my attention right now. Too bad that we don't have even an ICS update from LG.
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If it will be for ICS or JB LG devices, then a port would be relatively simple...
Original topic title: Can CM w/ 3rd-party apps truly emulate the stock experience?
This question is more "what if?" than anything. I have seen people here and there mention now certain apps such as DynamicNotifications and Open Mic+ together can closely emulate the functionality of the Moto X on other devices, preferrably with AMOLED displays.
But my question goes a bit beyond that... specifically: can you clone the Moto X using a Moto X? I'm thinking a year or so down the road when our X has reached its EOL and no longer receives new Android versions. I still run stock on my Dev Edition, but let's say the next version of Android has some killer new features, enhancements, optimizations, etc, that I just don't want to miss out on, but also don't want to shell out another $300-400 for a new device.
How reasonable -- or unreasonable -- would it be to install CM along with the aforementioned applications (or similar) and expect to get the full Moto X experience... including the stellar battery life and everything that comes with it. With the X8 architecture, will the battery life be comparable? Or will the apps have no idea what type of cores it's dealing with and just treat them as any other processor, or ignore them altogether, resulting in decreased battery life? Are the stock apps that tightly knit into the hardware? You could most likely closely emulate the functionality, but could you emulate the experience as a whole?
My best guess would be that expecting it to perform just as well, or even comparably, would result in huge disappointment. But at the same time, I'm not a dev or hardware guru and figured I'd just throw it out there to see what people had to say.
It depend what Motorola derive to open source it's codes, I'm no Dev so I can't help you there.
I don't know about Touchless Control, but the Active Display found in AOKP rom is actually better than Moto version. It have more features and settings to choose from. I used it on my Nexus and it didn't eat up the battery.
CM rom will not have Active Display do will have to wait for other roms to come along.
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Hello!
So I recently got a Moto X through the Try Then Buy program just to test out one thing. However I didn't do research ahead of time and of course Moto Maker Verizon Moto X's with 4.4.2 are unable to be rooted. So I had one question as a potential buyer of a Dev Edition or the Moto X+1 (whenever that may release), since the Moto features like Active Display are technically apps through the app store, can people with a ROM such as CM or Paranoid still install those features to utilize the X8 computing system? And I mean specifically the Motorola version of these features not stuff like peek and AcDisplay, Thanks!
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So I recently got a Moto X through the Try Then Buy program just to test out one thing. However I didn't do research ahead of time and of course Moto Maker Verizon Moto X's with 4.4.2 are unable to be rooted. So I had one question as a potential buyer of a Dev Edition or the Moto X+1 (whenever that may release), since the Moto features like Active Display are technically apps through the app store, can people with a ROM such as CM or Paranoid still install those features to utilize the X8 computing system? And I mean specifically the Motorola version of these features not stuff like peek and AcDisplay, Thanks!
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Nope. You need to run stock moto for those features.
You can use knock offs from play store on custom ROMs.....but they usually take a toll on battery life.
KJ said:
Nope. You need to run stock moto for those features.
You can use knock offs from play store on custom ROMs.....but they usually take a toll on battery life.
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Darn, I know with some Samsung specific apps I was still able to download like the Magna Carter Holy Grail app. However I'm not surprised either. So I have another question that I cannot get the answer to. Is it possible through kernel modification to utilize the X8 system. So for instance (hypothetically speaking) could Francisco Franco's kernel provide Moto X users on any given AOSP ROM, the ability to use the chip in a 3rd party app. SO franco kernel + peek (if they hypothetically built in he optimizations for the Moto X provided by francos kernel).
Try not to pick apart the specifics of this as I am merely trying to ask the question in a way that will give me a technical answer as I already have a decent understanding of how a lot of this works. However if I am not even on the right path tell me now. But I'm more interested in whether or not accessing the X8 chip and designing 3rd party apps to take full advantage of the battery saving is even possible no matter how technical it is or how complex it is.
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Even with the unlocked bootloader that section of the chip isn't accessible. In the case that it is, is there just not enough demand for it or what?
If you don't know but want to know PM me and we can try to do some joint research into the subject and see what we can come up with. Thanks in advance.
I doubt anyone will ever access the low voltage core to run apps/services from. The reason I say this is that the N5 has a similar system.....and on the N5 low voltage core they decided to put a pedometer on it. Lol. Wow! What were they thinking. The X get touch less always listening control and active display....and the N5 gets a pedometer. Lol
Anyway, with the huge N5 development community and many many developers.... No one has found a way to access it. They tried for active display. Nope. They tried for double tap to wake, nope. They did get double tap to wake built into kernels, but is kills the battery.
So with all the guys in the N5 community being unsuccessful accessing the low voltage core....I doubt it will happen on any device. The code is probably just too buried into the architecture of the devices to ever manipulate. (Basically speaking....I'm not a dev, so thats my way of saying it. )
I used to think all the gyroscope and listening functions are done by these chips regardless of the app or other variables
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I used to think all the gyroscope and listening functions are done by these chips regardless of the app or other variables
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Not sure, just saying I doubt anyone will get anything to run off the low voltage core on purpose.
Otherwise my N5 would have double tap to wake for sure. Well, like I said....its available.... But very battery hungry. Definitely not worth it.
And here's why I think this.
Currently, AT&T sells the 2nd generation Moto X (the non Pure Edition phone) for $99 on contract. But, on their store web page it markets itself very interestingly/devilishly:
Key features include:
5.2” HD display
Qualcomm® Snapdragon™ 801 quad-core processor
13MP camera with 4K capture
Pure Android™ experience
Moto voice control
Did you catch that? Yes, folks, this is what they are going to do with the Nexus 6 as well. If they can just throw around the label "Pure Android Experience", that means they think we are stupid and they will go ahead and put the pre-loaded bloatware, locked bootloader, carrier start up splash screen, etc.
They will most likely have a Nexus 6 Pure Edition that sells only on the Google Play store for $624529789498249824
The title of "Nexus" no longer means anything.
Not to say it's impossible, but I don't think that the use of the phrase "Pure Android Experience" means anything significant. It's just something that Moto uses to sell the Moto E/G/X with a minimal skin.
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Not to say it's impossible, but I don't think that the use of the phrase "Pure Android Experience" means anything significant. It's just something that Moto uses to sell the Moto E/G/X with a minimal skin.
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Minimal != Pure
gtalum said:
Not to say it's impossible, but I don't think that the use of the phrase "Pure Android Experience" means anything significant. It's just something that Moto uses to sell the Moto E/G/X with a minimal skin.
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They are trying to capitalize on the appeal of the vanilla android experience of the Nexus brand as well as the ignorance of those who have never owned a Nexus phone before. Some call this "false advertising".
Technically it does have a pure Android experience since Google forced Moto to use a more pure experience. That said since this is a carrier oriented device the carriers can do whatever they want with it.
Nexus devices have and always had been free from Carrier BS. The only exception was the Verizon Galaxy Nexus when Verizon wanted to control the device updates not Google. Considering the release for this is wide it means that they have to comply with Google's wishes if they want to carry the devices and sell them.
That said however since the Droid Turbo is also coming out as well as a GSM variant for AT&T it would be no surprise if AT&T and Verizon will be pushing for sales on these devices and not the Nexus 6 since they have more control over these devices and can cut off support at any time creating planned obsolescence. One of the main things the Nexus is free from.
The Nexus will be sold from all carriers free of BS if they comply to Google's contract on the matter. That said they will not be forced to upsell them. They will be more likely to upsell any other device out there aside from the Nexus just so they can still have control. If Verizon or AT&T try to add anything to the Nexus devices that tarnish its design then Google has all the power to cut the contract and remove sale of the devices through AT&T and Verizon.
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Technically it does have a pure Android experience since Google forced Moto to use a more pure experience. That said since this is a carrier oriented device the carriers can do whatever they want with it.
Nexus devices have and always had been free from Carrier BS. The only exception was the Verizon Galaxy Nexus when Verizon wanted to control the device updates not Google. Considering the release for this is wide it means that they have to comply with Google's wishes if they want to carry the devices and sell them.
That said however since the Droid Turbo is also coming out as well as a GSM variant for AT&T it would be no surprise if AT&T and Verizon will be pushing for sales on these devices and not the Nexus 6 since they have more control over these devices and can cut off support at any time creating planned obsolescence. One of the main things the Nexus is free from.
The Nexus will be sold from all carriers free of BS if they comply to Google's contract on the matter. That said they will not be forced to upsell them. They will be more likely to upsell any other device out there aside from the Nexus just so they can still have control. If Verizon or AT&T try to add anything to the Nexus devices that tarnish its design then Google has all the power to cut the contract and remove sale of the devices through AT&T and Verizon.
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I seriously hope you are right, but I just can't see AT&T giving up that kind of control. I can imagine, however, that this will go down just like the Moto X where there will be the Google Play/Pure Edition version of the phone and also the carrier version of the phone. Shame on AT&T trying to pawn off their bloatware-infested Moto X as "Pure Android experience".
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I seriously hope you are right, but I just can't see AT&T giving up that kind of control. I can imagine, however, that this will go down just like the Moto X where there will be the Google Play/Pure Edition version of the phone and also the carrier version of the phone. Shame on AT&T trying to pawn off their bloatware-infested Moto X as "Pure Android experience".
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Again, "Pure Android Experience" Applies to OS level, not so much the apps.
For example, The past few MOTO DROID devices were Pure Android OS, but still had bloat. Same for Moto X devices too. Pure Android Experience is a selling point to those who want to have a less lag ridden experience carriers still have control on what goes onto the OS with apps.
A fine example of this is T-Mobile HTC G2, the upgrade from the original consumer android phone the G1, had a locked bootloader and T-Mobile apps loaded onbard. The overall experience offered a Pure Android Experience, but still was carrier controlled with app bloat and a locked down OS. It was not a comparable Nexus Pure experience.
To contrast to the Nexus 4 and 5 on T-Mobile, bootloaders were easily unlockable and there was no bloat. They were no different from the Google Play sold Nexus devices. In the press release for the N6 it was said that the device will be sold on all major carriers (if they meet compliance with Google's intent with the devices). That means if they fail meeting the compliance of Google's intent with selling the N6 through them, they cannot sell the device through the retailer.
In a sense, it seems Google is treating their Nexus series like Apple treats their iPhones, which in reality is a very good thing since Apple has an iron grip over iPhone's control over carrier BS. I am looking forward to this change if this is the case, we all should.
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Again, "Pure Android Experience" Applies to OS level, not so much the apps.
For example, The past few MOTO DROID devices were Pure Android OS, but still had bloat. Same for Moto X devices too. Pure Android Experience is a selling point to those who want to have a less lag ridden experience carriers still have control on what goes onto the OS with apps.
A fine example of this is T-Mobile HTC G2, the upgrade from the original consumer android phone the G1, had a locked bootloader and T-Mobile apps loaded onbard. The overall experience offered a Pure Android Experience, but still was carrier controlled with app bloat and a locked down OS. It was not a comparable Nexus Pure experience.
To contrast to the Nexus 4 and 5 on T-Mobile, bootloaders were easily unlockable and there was no bloat. They were no different from the Google Play sold Nexus devices. In the press release for the N6 it was said that the device will be sold on all major carriers (if they meet compliance with Google's intent with the devices). That means if they fail meeting the compliance of Google's intent with selling the N6 through them, they cannot sell the device through the retailer.
In a sense, it seems Google is treating their Nexus series like Apple treats their iPhones, which in reality is a very good thing since Apple has an iron grip over iPhone's control over carrier BS. I am looking forward to this change if this is the case, we all should.
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Doesn't Google own the Android OS?? The way I see it, Google has full rights to claim their devices are 100% "Pure Android". Anyone else... not so much.
But as for iPhones, the carriers locked all their phones... doesn't the very purpose of the Nexus phone get thrown under the bus if carriers were to lock the Nexus 6?
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And here's why I think this.
Currently, AT&T sells the 2nd generation Moto X on contract (the non Pure Edition phone) for $99 on contract. But, on their store web page it markets itself very interestingly/devilishly:
Key features include:
5.2” HD display
Qualcomm® Snapdragon™ 801 quad-core processor
13MP camera with 4K capture
Pure Android™ experience
Moto voice control
Did you catch that? Yes, folks, this is what they are going to do with the Nexus 6 as well. If they can just throw around the label "Pure Android Experience", that means they think we are stupid and they will go ahead and put the pre-loaded bloatware, locked bootloader, carrier start up splash screen, etc.
They will most likely have a Nexus 6 Pure Edition that sells only on the Google Play store for $624529789498249824
The title of "Nexus" no longer means anything.
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Really please put down the bong ...
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Doesn't Google own the Android OS?? The way I see it, Google has full rights to claim their devices are 100% "Pure Android". Anyone else... not so much.
But as for iPhones, the carriers locked all their phones... doesn't the very purpose of the Nexus phone get thrown under the bus if carriers were to lock the Nexus 6?
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Android is built using the Linux kernel and is open source ....that's the only reason that oems have to post up the source code etc ... but they don't have to unlock bootloaders etc and the drivers and other parts of the os like sense can be closed source ...
nexus6R3plicant said:
Android is built using the Linux kernel and is open source ....that's the only reason that oems have to post up the source code etc ... but they don't have to unlock bootloaders etc and the drivers and other parts of the os like sense can be closed source ...
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Oh.. ok... what would happen to me, as a independent Android OS developer, if I came up with something and then called it "Android Lollipop 5.0.1" ?
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Oh.. ok... what would happen to me, as a independent Android OS developer, if I came up with something and then called it "Android Lollipop 5.0.1" ?
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Nothing as long as you follow gpl .... you see how many versions of Linux are out there.... like cyanogen mod they only got a cease and desist from Google back in the begins for putting gapps in their roms ...which is why you have to flash the rom and then gapps when flashing aosp roms ....it's only the google apps that are closed source
But you could get a letter from their lawyer if they have copy write any of the Lollipop name etc
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Nothing as long as you follow gpl .... you see how many versions of Linux are out there.... like cyanogen mod they only got a cease and desist from Google back in the begins for putting gapps in their roms ...which is why you have to flash the rom and then gapps when flashing aosp roms ....it's only the google apps that are closed source
But you could get a letter from their lawyer if they have copy write any of the Lollipop name etc
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So... Google owns the Lollipop 5.0 Android.. got it. So, why are carriers saying their version of Kitkat/Lollipop is "Pure"?? How can they get away with that?
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So... Google owns the Lollipop 5.0 Android.. got it. So, why are carriers saying their version of Kitkat/Lollipop is "Pure"?? How can they get away with that?
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Motorola is the only one saying pure .... but is the closest to true aosp . Motorola puts very little on top of android and makes many optimizations to make it run better etc
Sony is kind of close also ... htc has sense , samsung is touchwiz , lg has their own ... its just a user interface on top of android and its the reason samsung devices always lag .
Pretty sure all the n6 devices will have the same hardware and have an unlockable BL, also since the hardware is all the same the code names should be the same, and as such the factory images from google should be flashable. Now if ATT goes the Verizon way and handles the n6 like the Gnex, than thats gonna be an issue.
The hardware is the same. So, even if the carriers bloat them up, you can simply flash the OEM images that Google releases. Now, if the carriers are allowed to lock the bootloaders, that may be a problem. I'm hoping that Google at least keeps that from happening., or someone like Geohot finds a way to break it. We won't know for sure though until the carrier versions are available and someone tries to unlock one of each.
Moto is basically AOSP so calling it pure isn't a longshot
According to an Ars Technica interview, all Nexus 6 devices (even the Google Play version) will automatically install carrier bloatware during setup. The phone will detect which SIM card you're using, and download the apps that carrier wants on the phone. It's called "Play Auto Install."
At first this sounded appalling, but I realized it's actually a good thing. Thanks to this feature, carriers will no longer install apps in the System partition. You can uninstall their apps just like apps from the Play Store.
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According to an Ars Technica interview, all Nexus 6 devices (even the Google Play version) will automatically install carrier bloatware during setup. The phone will detect which SIM card you're using, and download the apps that carrier wants on the phone. It's called "Play Auto Install."
At first this sounded appalling, but I realized it's actually a good thing. Thanks to this feature, carriers will no longer install apps in the System partition. You can uninstall their apps just like apps from the Play Store.
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If this is true, all you have to do it start the setup with a sim then insert it after setup.
NOTashwin said:
According to an Ars Technica interview, all Nexus 6 devices (even the Google Play version) will automatically install carrier bloatware during setup. The phone will detect which SIM card you're using, and download the apps that carrier wants on the phone. It's called "Play Auto Install."
At first this sounded appalling, but I realized it's actually a good thing. Thanks to this feature, carriers will no longer install apps in the System partition. You can uninstall their apps just like apps from the Play Store.
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This is perfect. Fastboot, FTW!
Here's the except from Ars:
Ars: How much control do carriers have over the Nexus devices? People think back to the Verizon Galaxy Nexus, and it got slower updates.
Burke: I don't think we're going to do that. There is carrier testing that has to happen, you can't get away from that, but we're trying to have our updates be frequent. I think the carriers are learning and realizing that's a feature they want. I think these are getting more efficient, and we're getting better at it. Play Auto Installs are also really important.
Ars: Play Auto Installs? What?
Burke: So the idea is as part of setup, Verizon might have some apps that you want like an app that tells you how much you used that month in terms of charges. There's legitimate use cases where you want apps, but you also want those apps to be treated like any other app. What happens now is when you've got a Verizon SIM in the device, it actually installs Verizon apps as part of the setup flow, and then you can remove them if you want as part of the Play Infrastructure. And Verizon can update it.
Cohen: They're not on the system partition.
Ars: Oh ok, so you can remove them?
Cohen: Yes.
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If you could avoid installing bloatware by inserting the SIM card after setup is over, that would be great — but I don't think Verizon would let that fly. Verizon would probably want their apps to be installed anytime their SIM card is used. It's not 100% clear what will happen until someone tries it.
Recently moved to the N6 and one of the things I really miss is Samsung's Kies Air application.
Are there any work arounds to make it work on the Google Nexus 6? I've installed it and it knows this is not a Samsung phone. Wondering if there might not be a way to trick it?
I'm currently testing AirDroid but it is just not at nice. I do not need to use a PC client with it, I just connect via web browsers.
Thanks for any info!
Samsung kies is proprietary software to Samsung. So no you won't ever see it on the nexus.
What are you looking for exactly? You mention air droid but then you don't mention anything further than that.
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I just prefer the Kies software. I like the layout etc. I mostly use it for texting, checking call logs, transferring files etc. It's a nice all in one solution.
Also yes I know it's proprietary Samsung software, hence why I asked if there was a workaround, hack or tweak. I've seen other proprietary apps that have been modified before to work on all carriers or all versions of android on any brand of phone before etc so I thought maybe someone knew of a work around for Kies.
Oh so you're looking for a app that could do the same. Pushbullet is a good alternative but isn't as feature packed.
And no, there isn't a way to get Samsung kies on nexus. It's proprietary software and requires work to be done on the device side and the computer side. People here on nexus devices tend to despise anything proprietary to companies as nexus users prefer aosp and open source.
Companies make their proprietary software exclusive to their own devices to make people come back or stay.
Find alternatives on the play store is your only choice if you wish to stay with the nexus.
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MightyText has a nice UI