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Does anyone else feel as though our beloved device is taking a back seat to the GE edition s4 and HTC one? For so long I was proud to be a nexus owner due to the promise of prompt updates. Now it seems that the above two devices are getting 4.3 leaks while we stand by and wonder WTF. They are great phones but so is the n4. So why is Google making them the first to get updated instead of staying true to form with their own device? I love my n4 but am starting to feel cheated by Google at the same time.
Didn't know the One had a leak too.
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Does anyone else feel as though our beloved device is taking a back seat to the GE edition s4 and HTC one? For so long I was proud to be a nexus owner due to the promise of prompt updates. Now it seems that the above two devices are getting 4.3 leaks while we stand by and wonder WTF. They are great phones but so is the n4. So why is Google making them the first to get updated instead of staying true to form with their own device? I love my n4 but am starting to feel cheated by Google at the same time.
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Google isn't in the habit of allowing leaks; they're happily working away on firmware for our device while HTC/Samsung employees leak firmware for theirs.
But Samsung and HTC one Google Edition updates are handled by Google like our n4 not by Samsung or HTC.
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But Samsung and HTC one Google Edition updates are handled by Google like our n4 not by Samsung or HTC.
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Both companies would still have their hands on it however.
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But Samsung and HTC one Google Edition updates are handled by Google like our n4 not by Samsung or HTC.
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No, they're handled by Samsung/HTC http://www.androidpolice.com/2013/0...play-edition-one-or-s4-oems-will-handle-otas/
No I don't think that's correct because you cannot flash the GE 4.3 on a non-google edition Samsung s4 or HTC one so why would they have their hands on pure android? Remember that there is no touchwiz or HTC sense on the GE devices.
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No I don't think that's correct because you cannot flash the GE 4.3 on a non-google edition Samsung s4 or HTC one so why would they have their hands on pure android?
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So they can test it on the phones they're manufacturing.
And some more reading, Russel Holly has an incredibly high (100%?) batting percentage.
http://www.geek.com/android/google-play-edition-updates-1560580/
So much facepalm in one thread. Amazing.
google has nothing ro do with the updates for the ge edition phones, all they do is sell them. these are pure android phones, that arent supported by aosp, and still use propriatary files/drivers from samsung/htc.
And yet more reading: https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/android-building/_F67iLDcVzQ
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No I don't think that's correct because you cannot flash the GE 4.3 on a non-google edition Samsung s4 or HTC one so why would they have their hands on pure android? Remember that there is no touchwiz or HTC sense on the GE devices.
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I dont see where your getting your sources from and why youre so jealous.
4.3 can be flashed on certain s4's so long as they have the right processor.
http://www.redmondpie.com/download-...alaxy-s4-gt-i9505-right-now-stock-leaked-rom/
Updates are handled by the OEMs just google gives them the sources early and they have to make it work on their device. Its comparatively little work as they dont need to theme it but their GE sales compared to their normal sales are much lower so the OEMs wont care so much about updating so who knows when they'll get outdated.
When the N4 released the tech world went wild about it. People just about acknowledged these other devices. Its nothing in comparison.
Google Edition not Nexus.
Updates by OEMs not google so its not the nexus experience.
I seem to remember the Google io unveiling of the GE gs4 and they said that it would receive prompt ota updates directly from Google like all nexus devices.
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I'd read Jean-Bapiste Queru's comments in the thread I posted to Android Google group.
Oh no, not this again...
Never been the jealous type... I just have thoughts about the situation and wanted input from the community. Because every search I do for 4.3 returns results for gs4 or HTC one.
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I seem to remember the Google io unveiling of the GE gs4 and they said that it would receive prompt ota updates directly from Google like all nexus devices.
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prompt updates yes, from global somewhat. global releases them, then goes to samsung/htc to add their proprietary stuff, then gets released to the public. if they were aosp supported devices(had open source drivers and such), then the hand off to samsung/htc wouldnt need to happen. since they are pure android, not sense or touch wiz, the updates for them will still be much faster than normally would be.
Those devices are shipping with 4.2[.2]. The leas are just that, leaks. And even when they get 4.3 the devices will be less optimal than the Nexus 4 and Galaxy Nexus based on the features they would be able to use in stock Android and the features they would loose by not having their manufacturers' proprietary coloring layered on top the Android OS.
I overlooked the Nexus 4 the first time because it was made by LG. I haven't had the best of luck with LG phones in the past. So, I got an Xperia P. It had battery charging issues, but THE BEST AND BRIGHTEST SCREEN OF ANY DEVICE! Perfect & bright in direct sunlight. So then I tried a few more phones including an iPhone 4S and iPhone 5.
I ended up selling all the other phones and going with the N4. So glad I did. I prefer the customizable Android platform more, the wireless charging, and the POWER. All this for 1/2 of what comparable phones cost.
Just bought a Nexus 7 for use as a DSLR remote since Google lied about the USB OTG on N4. That's the other thing I missed about the Xperia P. USB OTG worked perfectly out of the box.
No, not even once
I know it's VERY early, but that 30% discount at Tmobile is tempting me. But I don't plan on getting a Note 3 or a S4. Currently I'm very happy with my LG G2, although I am considering swapping out to a Nexus 5 depending on what that ends up being.
Anyway I'm trying to find a use for the Gear without a S4/N3. Is there ANY functionality that would prove useful just running it by itself?
Do you guys anticipate any ROMs released in the future to have it work with other Android phones, or just to add stand alone functionality to it? Or is it a totally closed system and hopeless?
Right now it's an n3 or nothing. Have not heard of any roms really
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I know it's VERY early, but that 30% discount at Tmobile is tempting me. But I don't plan on getting a Note 3 or a S4. Currently I'm very happy with my LG G2, although I am considering swapping out to a Nexus 5 depending on what that ends up being.
Anyway I'm trying to find a use for the Gear without a S4/N3. Is there ANY functionality that would prove useful just running it by itself?
Do you guys anticipate any ROMs released in the future to have it work with other Android phones, or just to add stand alone functionality to it? Or is it a totally closed system and hopeless?
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Right now without a compatible device to pair it to you can't even use it as a watch, as the pairing process is what sets the time etc, and there is no way to bypass the screen instructing you to pair it with your device. After it's paired it will function as a watch, camera and pedometer without being connected to the phone but that's about it. No idea on roms but I have heard Samsung will be releasing an SDK for developers to create apps for it.
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Right now it's an n3 or nothing. Have not heard of any roms really
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The app was updated so it can be installed on an S4 from the Samsung store yesterday I believe. Pretty sure it doesn't support all the functions on the S4 tho until it gets 4.3.
Could always get a gear and go into a carrier store and sync on of the GN 3 on display... Jk... Then again it may work. Lol
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Could always get a gear and go into a carrier store and sync on of the GN 3 on display... Jk... Then again it may work. Lol
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It will work :laugh::good:
https://twitter.com/eldarmurtazin/status/427697036008251393
http://reviews.cnet.com/8301-19736_...uld-swap-nexus-line-with-google-play-by-2015/
I just found around this. Which if true, could mean no more subsidies?
This better not be true those Google play editions phones aren't cheap. Keep the nexus alive
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The guy has already said S5 will launch at MWC may be, let's see how correct he is.
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This better not be true those Google play editions phones aren't cheap. Keep the nexus alive
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I hope so :crying: <3 Nexus phones.
I find it amusing that the author called the GPE GS4 higher end than the N5. There is nothing about the GS4 that's higher end.
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Sounds like BS to me
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7koS5PMpmbU
Unsubstantiated info! The Nexus has a lifetime warranty!
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I find it amusing that the author called the GPE GS4 higher end than the N5. There is nothing about the GS4 that's higher end.
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Cnet writers opinion shoul be taken with a whole pound of salt.
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Sounds like BS to me
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Phonearena did say that guy's source has been reliable over the past years. So who knows? It does kinda makes sense though, but we the proud fanboys just don't want to hear this happen :fingers-crossed:
Maybe because google didn't find a solution for a new name after the nexus 6, since nexus 7 already exists :laugh:
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Maybe because google didn't find a solution for a new name after the nexus 6, since nexus 7 already exists :laugh:
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Nexus 7P(hone)
I cant see them doing it. Even though the Nexus 5 battery is horrid i love the phone. But yea after Nexus 6 what will call the next one
I read this earlier and was going to post something. I am hoping that Google is only considering this from a marketing/ flawed naming convention in there product name. But this isn't the first time Google has had naming convention/version issues. Just look at jelly bean and how it literally encompasses 3 versions of android. So let's hope they will still keep building a flagship device to symbolize what android should represent and not abandon this line all together.
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This better not be true those Google play editions phones aren't cheap. Keep the nexus alive
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The Moto G GPE is cheaper than any Nexus phone has ever been. My guess is this may be Google's way of making Motorola the default developer of Nexus devices by just calling their phone a GPE. And Motorola/Google is focused on having affordable phones so I don't see the price as being an issue. So maybe in 2016 we have 5-6 different GPE phones from different manufacturers and the Motorola one will basically replace the "Nexus" phone. At the end of the day it will not really matter other than the Nexus name being gone.
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I cant see them doing it. Even though the Nexus 5 battery is horrid i love the phone. But yea after Nexus 6 what will call the next one
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Do we really need another Nexus 4/5 naming discussion? The Nexus 7 and 10 were named after their size. The Nexus 4 and Nexus 5 could easily have been too (we will likely never know). Naming is not an issue.
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Maybe because google didn't find a solution for a new name after the nexus 6, since nexus 7 already exists :laugh:
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I was thinking that they might go back to adopting the OEMs phone brands again like they did for the galaxy nexus. So if Sony was next they could do like a "xperia nexus". Not the most catching name but it works. Although more than likely people will still go by numbers to identify it
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Well.. is expect that Motorola will handle the nexus line if it stays.
By the way, the writer lost me at 'if there companies can push out software updates in a timely manner, there would be no reason to have a redundant nexus line'
Derp
First, waiting for updates on carrier laden releases can take forever.
Second, not everyone wants bloated versions of Android.
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Hats off to google if they are planning to stop this series of Nexus phones.
Nexus series though cheap, google has no direct control. With Motorola already in their arsenal and also creating good phones like to moto x and moto g, I am sure all new Google phones should and would be from Motorola.
Though they have signed a long term contract with Samsung, I am sure it won't be for the phones but for other tech like the glass could be mass produced and probably Google is also planning to launch something like the Galaxy Gear and hence this collaboration.
Hope all goes well and we see latest tech with the Google Moto combo.
Even if the rumor is true, it doesn't mean they're going to stop selling affordable devices running vanilla Android. It probably just means they're going to drop the Nexus brand and sell the devices as Motorola.
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I find it amusing that the author called the GPE GS4 higher end than the N5. There is nothing about the GS4 that's higher end.
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Not true. The s4 has a very very similar CPU... Better camera... Better build quality (the s4 doesn't have a defects or RMA thread... Nexus has multiple). The only downfall to the s4 is touchwiz. @broodplank1337 has an aosp 4.4.2 ROM that runs just as good on the s4 as KK does on our nexus.
The reason I don't like this is cuz I ran GPE Roms on my S4 and they still used a lot of touchwiz framework. If they do this, and remove carrier ui framework all together, and release true aosp on these high end devices, I'm all aboard. Nexus' are cheaply built and they take shortcuts to get a bargain phone. Everyone should want the best. If it costs too much, then you can get a new job or save money.
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the s4 doesn't have a defects or RMA thread
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Not really relevant. Many phones don't. The S3 didnt either, yet it had plenty of defects. It all depends if someone makes a thread or not.
The s4 was flagship though and the nexus is not high end. Its budget performance. But the S4 is older and can't keep up the performance.
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I'm in the market for a new phone and the only thing keeping me on the fence with the Z1s is the lack of root and despite the bounty on it, progress looks to be slowing. Can anyone make an argument for this phone on stock over an equivalently spec'd phone that can be rooted?
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I'm in the market for a new phone and the only thing keeping me on the fence with the Z1s is the lack of root and despite the bounty on it, progress looks to be slowing. Can anyone make an argument for this phone on stock over an equivalently spec'd phone that can be rooted?
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Do you care about it being waterproof? Do you care about a horrible screen? (Yes, the screen is terrible). Sony's software is good enough to use without any rooting, but what other phones were you looking at?
Well, I'm moving up from a Galaxy Nexus who's screen has horrible burnin so I guess calling the Z1s screen terrible is a relative statement. I'm mainly looking to buy through tmobile. Their phone offering is kind of weak, atleast until they stock the S5 but I'm sort of weary of AMOLED screens after the galaxy nexus. The only other phone I was seriously considering was the 2013 HTC One which i know has root but obviously its a bit dated by comparison. Could you recommend any other competitor? Maybe even through AT&T?
Come on buddy. Let's positive thinking here. It's not able yet, beside think about quad core, 2 GB ram, 16 GB internal memory, plus 20 mp camera. You'll be proud of it.
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To each his own, but personally i wouldn't ever be interested in a phone where i can't unlock the bootloader. So a phone without root and without bootloader unlocking? No way for me. I love my Z1 though, but have the unlocked international version
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Well, I'm moving up from a Galaxy Nexus who's screen has horrible burnin so I guess calling the Z1s screen terrible is a relative statement. I'm mainly looking to buy through tmobile. Their phone offering is kind of weak, atleast until they stock the S5 but I'm sort of weary of AMOLED screens after the galaxy nexus. The only other phone I was seriously considering was the 2013 HTC One which i know has root but obviously its a bit dated by comparison. Could you recommend any other competitor? Maybe even through AT&T?
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If you really don't care about the screen, it's a good phone. I forgot to mention that the tmobile version of this phone is HUGE. It's bigger than the Z1. What about the Nexus 5? The HTC one 2013 is still a really great phone. They ported Sense 6 to it now with everything working.
The camera on this phone is about equal to the HTC one's camera. More MP though.
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Come on buddy. Let's positive thinking here. It's not able yet, beside think about quad core, 2 GB ram, 16 GB internal memory, plus 20 mp camera. You'll be proud of it.
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The phone has a huge list of Pros and while no root is the only con I can give it, it's a pretty big one. I have a broken galaxy nexus and disposable income burning a hol through my pocket. I'm going to have a new phone by the end of the day. I'm just trying to weigh which hurts less either a bit of an outdated phone with root or the Z1s without root.
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The phone has a huge list of Pros and while no root is the only con I can give it, it's a pretty big one. I have a broken galaxy nexus and disposable income burning a hol through my pocket. I'm going to have a new phone by the end of the day. I'm just trying to weigh which hurts less either a bit of an outdated phone with root or the Z1s without root.
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Root will eventually come in August when jcase said he would release it. Another question is do you care about slow updates? The Z1 just got KK, but the tmobile version will likely have to wait a few more months. HTC seems to be doing well updating their phones. I would get the HTC One if I were you. Maybe even the new HTC one that's being release tomorrow.
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Root will eventually come in August when jcase said he would release it. Another question is do you care about slow updates? The Z1 just got KK, but the tmobile version will likely have to wait a few more months. HTC seems to be doing well updating their phones. I would get the HTC One if I were you. Maybe even the new HTC one that's being release tomorrow.
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The slow updates was a bit of a bummer but I could live with it. I asked whether Tmobile would offer the HTC one tomorrow but the rep sounded doubtful. I could simply go with the HTC One and then jump to the 2014 model after a few months when tmobile has them stocked. The other reason I'm considering the HTC one is for it's build quality. I'd be taking a bit of a hit on horsepower though but still an absolute upgrade from the galaxy nexus.
You may have convinced me to take the HTC one actually lol.
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The slow updates was a bit of a bummer but I could live with it. I asked whether Tmobile would offer the HTC one tomorrow but the rep sounded doubtful. I could simply go with the HTC One and then jump to the 2014 model after a few months when tmobile has them stocked. The other reason I'm considering the HTC one is for it's build quality. I'd be taking a bit of a hit on horsepower though but still an absolute upgrade from the galaxy nexus.
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Yeah no one knows about that. There are some rumors that Verizon will have it for 2 weeks before everyone else, but some rumors say all carriers get it tomorrow. The 2013 one is still pretty fast though.
@aooga
The htc one camera is definitively one of the worst camera ever seen in the last years
Check gsmarena comparisons if you don't trust me
And this only would made me skip this phone
Anyway, I would skip the S5 due to its crappy ui
And the z1s for his closeness
Couldn't you buy an unlocked phone maybe? I know US mentality is quite different.. but cmon is there really this saving?
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mirhl said:
@aooga
The htc one camera is definitively one of the worst camera ever seen in the last years
Check gsmarena comparisons if you don't trust me
And this only would made me skip this phone
Anyway, I would skip the S5 due to its crappy ui
And the z1s for his closeness
Couldn't you buy an unlocked phone maybe? I know US mentality is quite different.. but cmon is there really this saving?
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Hmm. I didn't see that when I had it. The camera was really good both in low light and outside. The Z1 camera takes a lot of fiddling to get shots, but when you get it right, they're pretty good.
Oooohhh, the camera..... yea that just bummed me out of the HTC One. Ugh. I guess it's back to square one. I gave the nexus 5 a thought and the only real reason I dismissed it was because my brother has it.
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Oooohhh, the camera..... yea that just bummed me out of the HTC One. Ugh. I guess it's back to square one. I gave the nexus 5 a thought and the only real reason I dismissed it was because my brother has it.
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What's so bad about it?
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=50736218&postcount=3317
Just to be clear: you can root your device with locked bootloader. You just can't install custom roms. It's just a bit of work to get a rooted Kitkat.
I love the device. Sonys firmware is really good I didn't have any reason to use custom roms yet. It's closer to pure Android than the other 3 brands.
The camera is good (with a bit practice). I've bought the device mainly because of the huge battery
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What's so bad about it?
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=50736218&postcount=3317
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The problem is exactly there. When I open photos load they are good. Then I say: "oh, let's take a look at those people up there" or "let's check that bird on the seaside "
And I zoom in.. and you realize photos suck (a ****ty galaxy ace can even beat the one! holy jesus..)
anyway, I wouldn't boycott the ****ing close contract system if I were you... but if you aren't so prudish, well, z1s would be a good deal
Otherwise, go unlocked nexus 5/xperia z/xperia z1
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Just to be clear: you can root your device with locked bootloader. You just can't install custom roms. It's just a bit of work to get a rooted Kitkat.
I love the device. Sonys firmware is really good I didn't have any reason to use custom roms yet. It's closer to pure Android than the other 3 brands.
The camera is good (with a bit practice). I've bought the device mainly because of the huge battery
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No you can't on the Z1s. That's why there's a $600+ bounty.
Why not just go for Z1?? it is totally rootable
Seriously, if u look for the T-mobile Z1s just becoz of the "nice deal"
Go to ebay instead bro
KWOKSFUNG said:
Why not just go for Z1?? it is totally rootable
Seriously, if u look for the T-mobile Z1s just becoz of the "nice deal"
Go to ebay instead bro
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If you live in the US, buying phones from the carrier is actual beneficial. Tmobile has something called JUMP that lets you get a phone every 6 months if you buy the phone from them. And you pay nothing up front.
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If you live in the US, buying phones from the carrier is actual beneficial. Tmobile has something called JUMP that lets you get a phone every 6 months if you buy the phone from them. And you pay nothing up front.
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Up to u then
but did anyone tell u that u cannot write the external SD card with a 3rd party app on non-rooted stock 4.4??
Does the "lenses" feature work for any of you guys? All I've seen so far is it on iPhone. However, their update on the play store states that it's only available on newer phones. Can SnapChat just not detect my face or did they leave us out?
same problem here with the note 5. works fine on the note 4 tho.
Note 5 AT&T here. Snapchst Lenses isn't working for me either. Trying to find out why, but nobody seems to know the answer yet. Tried it on my sisters Note 3 and it worked great.
Having the same issue. I'll try to reach out to Snapchat for an answer
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Same issue here with my Note 5. I really was wanting to try it out.
I have the same issue as well - does anyone notice when using the back camera a white circle appears if you hold your finger down? I never noticed this before.
Another note 5 user who is left out with this new feature. I'm supposedly a Beta tester for them too!
Samsung S4
Here is a Samsung S4 rooted phone with Stockware from samsung, android 5.0.1, who is also left out. I got it to work on an xperia z2 android 5.1.1 non rooted.
Does the version have anything to say? Or the rooting?
Snapchat fixed it with Wednesdays update via play store
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Yup works for me too. They released another update the same day the original update came.
What I'm more interested in is the ability to change cameras while recording a snap.
I have a Note 5 & I am experiencing the same issue with both filters and lenses. Anybody with a solution please tell.
Mine works on tmobile
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