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HTC Raider (Bell Mobility) OTA and Root

I recently got my HTC Raider 4G LTE at Bell and I was wondering if I could root after I do the official OTA download to Android 4.0 and HTC Sense 3.6. Currently, it is brand new out of the box so that would mean locked bootloader, unrooted, and S-ON.
I know how to get the bootloader unlocked if that is necessary.
Could I root first, and then do the official update, and still keep the root? Or should I update first, and then root (if that is possible)?
What should I do? I basically want the simplest way to get root (but it would be nice to also get the update but I don't care too much about it).
Also, do I need to get S-OFF? Again, I am looking for the simplest/best way to get root on my device, so I can get custom roms and stuff.
I have tried Vivid All In One Kit 2.2 but when I try to install SuperSU.zip in ClockWorkMod Recovery, I get "installation aborted". I don't think I did it right though... I created a .zip file, named it SuperSU, and basically copy/pasted the SuperSU folder that was in the toolkit.
I have also had a glimpse of the superguide in vivid android development but I think I need S-OFF... Is the superguide the best way to do this? Could some people show me some examples or solve for why I can't get root? Most of the links that I have seen are for the HTC Vivid. I'm sure they should work but I just want to make sure since I am using a Canadian HTC Raider (Bell).

First things first, run the RUU to get the ICS hboot/ROM. You can find it here. Make sure you do the right ICS one for your carrier. Then go ahead and do steps 1 and 4 from the superguide. That will essentially give you the rooted stock ICS ROM. S-OFF is not absolutely necessary. All you need to do is manually flash the kernel before flashing the ROM EVERY time you want a new ROM. All S-OFF does is make you able to flash recovery and kernel from the recovery. So that means when you flash a ROM, it is automatically able to flash the kernel as well. I am still S-ON though, it just adds the small step of manually flashing the kernel.

Why do I need to run the RUU?
I assume RUU gets me hboot access, official ICS (Android 4.0 or something) and HTC Sense 3.6? and step 4 gets basically gets root
Couldn't I just officially update the device OTA or with a connection, and then do something to get hboot, and then root?
Or do you think it would be much simpler to to run RUU?
So far, I have unlocked the bootloader via HTCdev (step 1) and have clockworkmod recovery which I got with the toolkit.
Also, when I hold volume down and power button, I believe it fastboots without giving me any options. I can only get to clockworkmod recovery and what I believe is hboot (where I can see whether or not the bootloader is unlocked or locked, S-ON or S-OFF, and get options for boot) by using the toolkit (or by typing in the adb commands).

Kurty007 said:
Why do I need to run the RUU?
I assume RUU gets me hboot access, official ICS (Android 4.0 or something) and HTC Sense 3.6? and step 4 gets basically gets root
Couldn't I just officially update the device OTA or with a connection, and then do something to get hboot, and then root?
Or do you think it would be much simpler to to run RUU?
So far, I have unlocked the bootloader via HTCdev (step 1) and have clockworkmod recovery which I got with the toolkit.
Also, when I hold volume down and power button, I believe it fastboots without giving me any options. I can only get to clockworkmod recovery and what I believe is hboot (where I can see whether or not the bootloader is unlocked or locked, S-ON or S-OFF, and get options for boot) by using the toolkit (or by typing in the adb commands).
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OTA, RUU, PH zip will all not work because you have an unlocked bootloader. Re-lock the bootloader first. The RUU is just about the easiest way to get stock ICS and it updates the HBOOT by itself. After the RUU, unlock the bootloader once again (step 1) and then perm root (step 4).

slapshot30 said:
OTA, RUU, PH zip will all not work because you have an unlocked bootloader. Re-lock the bootloader first. The RUU is just about the easiest way to get stock ICS and it updates the HBOOT by itself. After the RUU, unlock the bootloader once again (step 1) and then perm root (step 4).
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Thank you so much! I now have Android 4.0.3, HTC Sense 3.6, and root access

I have a rogers raider its updated to ics by ota then I unlocked bootloader. And used vivid all in one and have cwm recovery on my phone. I tried to perma root but it didn't stick because it was still stock Rom. So who can I use holics without s-off?
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jbplumbing.ca said:
I have a rogers raider its updated to ics by ota then I unlocked bootloader. And used vivid all in one and have cwm recovery on my phone. I tried to perma root but it didn't stick because it was still stock Rom. So who can I use holics without s-off?
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If you want stock root then follow step 4 in the guide in my signature. To flash ROMs without S-OFF takes an extra step. Every time you want to flash a new ROM, you need to flash the matching kernel beforehand. Use the guide in my signature to learn how to flash a kernel.
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4) Perm-Root your device (WildChild)
- Turn off your phone, turn it back on my holding power + volume down
- Use the volume rocker and power button to select fastboot
- Connect your phone to your PC
- Inside the WCXJB ROOT PACK, click shift + right click and select "Open command window here"
- Enter in these commands without the quotes
- "fastboot flash recovery wcxrecovery.img"
- Now you can boot up your phone
- Download and put Vivid_CWM_Root_VER2 zip file on root of internal sdcard (aka NOT in any folders)
- Boot into H-Boot like you did before (turn off phone, turn back on holding power + vol down), and use the volume rockers to go to "recovery" and press the power button to select it
- Select "install zip from sdcard"
- Select the VIVID_CWM_ROOT_VER2.zip through recovery and then reboot your phone
- You are now rooted and I recommend flashing a matching kernel + ROM for root to stick
So this will give me stock rogers Rom but rooted? And can I just flash VIVID_CWM_ROOT_VER2.ZIP FROM recovery because I already have custom recovery?
Or do I still need to go through the steps. Thanks for your patience.
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jbplumbing.ca said:
4) Perm-Root your device (WildChild)
- Turn off your phone, turn it back on my holding power + volume down
- Use the volume rocker and power button to select fastboot
- Connect your phone to your PC
- Inside the WCXJB ROOT PACK, click shift + right click and select "Open command window here"
- Enter in these commands without the quotes
- "fastboot flash recovery wcxrecovery.img"
- Now you can boot up your phone
- Download and put Vivid_CWM_Root_VER2 zip file on root of internal sdcard (aka NOT in any folders)
- Boot into H-Boot like you did before (turn off phone, turn back on holding power + vol down), and use the volume rockers to go to "recovery" and press the power button to select it
- Select "install zip from sdcard"
- Select the VIVID_CWM_ROOT_VER2.zip through recovery and then reboot your phone
- You are now rooted and I recommend flashing a matching kernel + ROM for root to stick
So this will give me stock rogers Rom but rooted? And can I just flash VIVID_CWM_ROOT_VER2.ZIP FROM recovery because I already have custom recovery?
Or do I still need to go through the steps. Thanks for your patience.
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Yea, pretty much all you need to do is flash that VIVID_CWM_ROOT zip in recovery and it should yield root if you are on the stock ROM with unlocked bootloader. If it doesn't give root the first time, try flashing it a couple more times.

Recovery
I seem to have a problem getting into recovery (CWM). Whenever I turn my device off and try to turn it back on by holding power and volume down, it fastboots instantly when I let go without giving me any options. I have downloaded Rom Manager flashed CWM but when I tried to reboot into recovery, it gets stuck at the HTC sign. The only way I had accessed bootloader or recovery early was thanks to the toolkit. Any way I can fix this so I can go to recovery anytime I want without connecting to PC?

Kurty007 said:
I seem to have a problem getting into recovery (CWM). Whenever I turn my device off and try to turn it back on by holding power and volume down, it fastboots instantly when I let go without giving me any options. I have downloaded Rom Manager flashed CWM but when I tried to reboot into recovery, it gets stuck at the HTC sign. The only way I had accessed bootloader or recovery early was thanks to the toolkit. Any way I can fix this so I can go to recovery anytime I want without connecting to PC?
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Sounds like an odd issue. I've been using WCX recovery ever since it came out with zero issues. Maybe try flashing that one. (If you do, flash it two or three times so it gets rid of cwm).
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slapshot30 said:
Yea, pretty much all you need to do is flash that VIVID_CWM_ROOT zip in recovery and it should yield root if you are on the stock ROM with unlocked bootloader. If it doesn't give root the first time, try flashing it a couple more times.
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Will Root stick with the stock rom or do I have to flash custom for root to stick?

jbplumbing.ca said:
Will Root stick with the stock rom or do I have to flash custom for root to stick?
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Should stick after flashing that zip.
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Kurty007 said:
I seem to have a problem getting into recovery (CWM). Whenever I turn my device off and try to turn it back on by holding power and volume down, it fastboots instantly when I let go without giving me any options. I have downloaded Rom Manager flashed CWM but when I tried to reboot into recovery, it gets stuck at the HTC sign. The only way I had accessed bootloader or recovery early was thanks to the toolkit. Any way I can fix this so I can go to recovery anytime I want without connecting to PC?
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Hm... I've been hearing odd things happening with that recovery. Does your PC still recognize your phone? If it does, then you should be alright. I would suggest re-locking the bootloader and running the stock ICS RUU for your carrier (this is all in my guide titled "back to stock"). After that run steps 1 and 4 from my guide if all you want is stock root. Basically all it is is unlock bootloader > flash WCX recovery > perm root.

Kurty007 said:
I seem to have a problem getting into recovery (CWM). Whenever I turn my device off and try to turn it back on by holding power and volume down, it fastboots instantly when I let go without giving me any options. I have downloaded Rom Manager flashed CWM but when I tried to reboot into recovery, it gets stuck at the HTC sign. The only way I had accessed bootloader or recovery early was thanks to the toolkit. Any way I can fix this so I can go to recovery anytime I want without connecting to PC?
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I have also have problem with CWM recovery. I used a different recovery method (using slapshot's sticky).
It seems more stable and it didn't give me CWM re-looping problem.
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Prolab said:
I have also have problem with CWM recovery. I used a different recovery method (using slapshot's sticky).
It seems more stable and it didn't give me CWM re-looping problem.
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So did you just flash the WCXJB ROOT PACK over CWM to fix the problems? or did you have to re-install stock using the RUU and start over?

Kurty007 said:
So did you just flash the WCXJB ROOT PACK over CWM to fix the problems? or did you have to re-install stock using the RUU and start over?
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Cleanest way would be start over with relock bootloader, RUU, then steps 1 and 4 from my guide if you don't need s off. You could try just flashing over WCX recovery though, but it probably won't clean all the old stuff out from CWM.
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slapshot30 said:
Cleanest way would be start over with relock bootloader, RUU, then steps 1 and 4 from my guide if you don't need s off. You could try just flashing over WCX recovery though, but it probably won't clean all the old stuff out from CWM.
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Thank you so much!! It fixed all the problems and it now works perfectly

Kurty007 said:
Thank you so much!! It fixed all the problems and it now works perfectly
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Glad it all worked out.

slapshot30 said:
Glad it all worked out.
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My HTC raider is from Rogers and is S-on. I flash custom ROM on it but it is 2.3.6 vision. I want update to higher version of Android such as 4.0. So i need relock the bootloader but problem is I couldn't find the stock rogers' ROM. The link you post doesn't work anymore.
Is there somewhere I can download one? Thank you very much.

HTC ONE Sutck on recovery

Hi,
after flashing Custom ROM I stuck on recovery mode and I lose root, now I can't flash any ROM plz help

I already said you what to do
Unlock your bootloader htcdev.com/bootloader if it is relocked
Then flash a new recovery
Afterwards you should be able to flash roms again

Boachti said:
I already said you what to do
Unlock your bootloader htcdev.com/bootloader if it is relocked
Then flash a new recovery
Afterwards you should be able to flash roms again
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let me give you more detail.
I have re(unlocked) bootloader and installed custom recovery, but after push super user I can't install it I cant do anything in recovery it says unable to. I lost my root access, plz how can I get my root back?

Have you tried to flash recovery again???
BlueAngle12 said:
Hi,
after flashing Custom ROM I stuck on recovery mode and I lose root, now I can't flash any ROM plz help
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It can be fixed with flashing the recovery again in fastboot mode...

[Q] Cant install 4.19.401.11 stock recovery.

Hello guys, I need an help! I have reinstalled a 4.4.2 stock ROM on my phone, because I had some problems with ARHD 53.0, and decided to return stock waiting for 63.0. Anyways, I am curious about a thing. I have TWRP 2.6.3.3 installed on my phone, last firmware (4.19.401.11), stock kernel, rooted, last hboot, no fastboot option activated and, when I try to flash the stock recovery of 4.19.401.11, it always fails; it doesnt open but shows the warning red sign screen. Instead, I can install TWRP recovery without any problems. What is the reason for this? I always erase cache from fastboot before and after recovery flashing. thanks to everyone!

diego9416 said:
Hello guys, I need an help! I have reinstalled a 4.4.2 stock ROM on my phone, because I had some problems with ARHD 53.0, and decided to return stock waiting for 63.0. Anyways, I am curious about a thing. I have TWRP 2.6.3.3 installed on my phone, last firmware (4.19.401.11), stock kernel, rooted, last hboot, no fastboot option activated and, when I try to flash the stock recovery of 4.19.401.11, it always fails; it doesnt open but shows the warning red sign screen. Instead, I can install TWRP recovery without any problems. What is the reason for this? I always erase cache from fastboot before and after recovery flashing. thanks to everyone!
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The red warning triangle is stock

mb_guy said:
The red warning triangle is stock
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So the normal HTC stock recovery cant be used for flashing, etc? just for the OTA? Was just curious about, dont want to keep stock recovery but wondered about it

You need a custom recovery to flash any roms. Stock recovery is for OTA's. If you aren't worried about them I'd leave the custom recovery on
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nateboi81 said:
You need a custom recovery to flash any roms. Stock recovery is for OTA's. If you aren't worried about them I'd leave the custom recovery on
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Perfect, was just curious to know about stock recovery functions thank you all

diego9416 said:
Hello guys, I need an help! I have reinstalled a 4.4.2 stock ROM on my phone, because I had some problems with ARHD 53.0, and decided to return stock waiting for 63.0. Anyways, I am curious about a thing. I have TWRP 2.6.3.3 installed on my phone, last firmware (4.19.401.11), stock kernel, rooted, last hboot, no fastboot option activated and, when I try to flash the stock recovery of 4.19.401.11, it always fails; it doesnt open but shows the warning red sign screen. Instead, I can install TWRP recovery without any problems. What is the reason for this? I always erase cache from fastboot before and after recovery flashing. thanks to everyone!
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i also need 4.19.401.11 stock recovery but can not find it. can you share it with me? its important, i have no recovery now and i must install sense 6 update

erhangulsum said:
i also need 4.19.401.11 stock recovery but can not find it. can you share it with me? its important, i have no recovery now and i must install sense 6 update
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You always have a recovery.. that would be ODD to not have one.. Here is it http://d-h.st/Igg Thanks to @Guich

what happens if you upgrade a rooted htc one t lollipop

so say i upgrade my rooted htc one once the ota update becomes ready.. what happens? i dont want to end up with a bricked phone.. would it harm my phone in any way?
thaaaanxxx

monrokhoury said:
so say i upgrade my rooted htc one once the ota update becomes ready.. what happens? i dont want to end up with a bricked phone.. would it harm my phone in any way?
thaaaanxxx
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An OTA update will not work on a rooted phone! For the OTA to work it needs stock recovery, stock rom and all of the files that it is attempting to update. If anything is missing then it will error out and return to your present setup.

and to complete what majmoz already said, if your rom is 100% stock, and you have flashed back your stock recovery, the phone will update fine but you will loose root. You'll need to flash a custom recovery after the OTA to re-root the rom.

Guys you're very helpful and i must thank you for that. i am on the official 4.4.3 rom so i just need to restore the stock recovery? how to do that? and will the current rooting method work on lollipop (and should i follow the same steps to install clockwork recovery)? Will the ota update relock the bootloader?
i'm sorry if i'm asking too many questions but i don't trust any other forum.

monrokhoury said:
Guys you're very helpful and i must thank you for that. i am on the official 4.4.3 rom so i just need to restore the stock recovery?
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If you have not modified anything to your rom (Kernel is stock and always was, you have not deleted any /system files and you still have or restored all the content in /data/preload (wiped during bootloader unlock), so yes all you need to do is to flash back the stock recovery that match your version.
how to do that?
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The same way you did to flash a custom recovery:
Code:
fastboot flash recovery name_of_file.img
fastboot erase cache
fastboot reboot
and will the current rooting method work on lollipop
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Flash the latest supersu from a custom recovery. Version 2.37 and above should work on lollipop
and should i follow the same steps to install clockwork recovery
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You always flash the recovery using the same commands, stock or custom, on all versions its always:
Code:
fastboot flash recovery name_of_file.img
fastboot erase cache
fastboot reboot
Will the ota update relock the bootloader?
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OTA updates will never affect the bootloader status (S-ON/S-OFF, LOCKED/UNLOCKED/RELOCKED)

If you have not modified anything to your rom (Kernel is stock and always was, you have not deleted any /system files and you still have or restored all the content in /data/preload (wiped during bootloader unlock), so yes all you need to do is to flash back the stock recovery that match your version.
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So, if I did flash a custom kernel, and did uninstall system programs (but didn't flash a custom Rom), what are my options if I'd like to upgrade to lollipop?
Thanks!
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[Q] HTC one dual 802W - can't return to stock recovery

i would like to upgrade my htc one over the air. here is what i did
my phone was rooted and had TRWP, now i flashed stock recovery for KK which i found here:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2617159
but phone still doesn't enter recovery (red triangle) and with that olsa OTA is not runninng after phone restart
any idea what i have to do to return to stock recovery?
i am running android 4.43 with OS 6.13.401.3

iampinki said:
i would like to upgrade my htc one over the air. here is what i did
my phone was rooted and had TRWP, now i flashed stock recovery for KK which i found here:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2617159
but phone still doesn't enter recovery (red triangle) and with that olsa OTA is not runninng after phone restart
any idea what i have to do to return to stock recovery?
i am running android 4.43 with OS 6.13.401.3
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If you got red triangle, press POWER + VOL_UP..

elias.parasini said:
If you got red triangle, press POWER + VOL_UP..
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what should i expect? it is just restarting my phone....
i am able to use my phone but still no idea how to enter recovery/upgrade via ota

ok, I found that volume up and power is showing log.
with that i can see below when trying to install OTA:
whan i am entering recovery i get different error:
any proposal how to move forward?
my phone is relocked now, is there any option to unlock it without cleaning all data?
i don't want to reinstall everything again

iampinki said:
ok, I found that volume up and power is showing log.
with that i can see below when trying to install OTA:
whan i am entering recovery i get different error:
any proposal how to move forward?
my phone is relocked now, is there any option to unlock it without cleaning all data?
i don't want to reinstall everything again
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You have 4.4.2 stock recovery. The OTA needs 4.4.3 (or above) stock recovery.
Download the OTA but dont install it, copy the OTA file to your computer, unzip it, you'll get firmware.zip, unzip the firmware.zip, you'll get recovery.img.
Flash that recovery.img.
Than install the OTA through setting -> software update, dont install OTA via recovery..
It should works..

elias.parasini said:
You have 4.4.2 stock recovery. The OTA needs 4.4.3 (or above) stock recovery.
Download the OTA but dont install it, copy the OTA file to your computer, unzip it, you'll get firmware.zip, unzip the firmware.zip, you'll get recovery.img.
Flash that recovery.img.
Than install the OTA through setting -> software update, dont install OTA via recovery..
It should works..
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i have to unlock the phone first (ir is relocked) will it wipe my data?any chance to keep them?

iampinki said:
i have to unlock the phone first (ir is relocked) will it wipe my data?any chance to keep them?
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unlock bootloader erase your data.. Copy your file to your computer..
For apps, you can use titanium backup, so you dont need to download that apps from playstore again..

elias.parasini said:
You have 4.4.2 stock recovery. The OTA needs 4.4.3 (or above) stock recovery.
Download the OTA but dont install it, copy the OTA file to your computer, unzip it, you'll get firmware.zip, unzip the firmware.zip, you'll get recovery.img.
Flash that recovery.img.
Than install the OTA through setting -> software update, dont install OTA via recovery..
It should works..
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indeed flashing new recovery did solve the problem. As i locked phone before (somewhere people were saying that it has to be locked to get OTA) i had to wipe the phone (titanum backup doesn't work without root)
thanks

How to re-lock this phone ?
Htc one m7 dual sim (802w)

elias.parasini said:
You have 4.4.2 stock recovery. The OTA needs 4.4.3 (or above) stock recovery.
Download the OTA but dont install it, copy the OTA file to your computer, unzip it, you'll get firmware.zip, unzip the firmware.zip, you'll get recovery.img.
Flash that recovery.img.
Than install the OTA through setting -> software update, dont install OTA via recovery..
It should works..
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hentorky said:
How to re-lock this phone ?
Htc one m7 dual sim (802w)
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fastboot oem lock