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will cm10.1 be easily built for the HTC one ?

when the nexus s was released i was a god send for galaxy s devs because they had all they stuff they need (source) to have a very good implementation of cm7
when the galaxy s2 was released it was hell for devs they ended up signing a petition with +10000 signatures just to get the kernel source and that took them over 6 months or so (as far as i can remember )
now with the HTC one almost as the same as the nexus 4's hardware , no ?
are there big architectural changes?
could they use stuff from the nexus 4 to make cm10.1 work flawlessly ?

The hardware of the n4 and the one are very very very different , so it won't benefit from the n4.
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Why did you think a HTC built phone would benefit from a LG built phone.
The soc isnt even in the same Series Never mind all the camera changes. There nothing alike
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An open SoC from QC is a step in the right direction, however sense kernels are quite different from those needed for CM/AOSP roms, so it's unlikely it will be perfect. The HOX still has niggles with CM today because some of the blobs just don't play along with non-sense roms.
These days if you want decent CM, I think you just need to buy a Nexus. If only the N4 were better I'd buy one...
Currently tossing up between this phone and the Xperia Z, if I get this it'll be under the mindset that i'll probably be running sense on it forever (annoyingly).
M.

what is the difference between sense based roms vs aosp based roms? i've seen some sense based ones that have the same UI as CM10 etc.

CursiveQ said:
what is the difference between sense based roms vs aosp based roms? i've seen some sense based ones that have the same UI as CM10 etc.
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It's personal preference. CM10 roms are typically alot smaller and tend to use less ram so can aid device performance. Some people also just like running a rom like they would get on a nexus. Of course this all depends on CM10/10.1 being decent on the phone.. if it doesn't work well because of sense kernels, then it's not really worth it.
If you want to run excellent CM roms, I would suggest waiting until kernel sources are out and see what devs can do, or just buy a nexus (though there's no nexus as good as the One).

i'm currently running aokp on my One X. the only real reason i flash roms is so i can have the status bar, settings, dialer, phonebook etc look like stock android.
is it possible to have a sense based rom that will be skinned to look like stock android? with the status bar, settings, dialer and all that jazz?

CursiveQ said:
i'm currently running aokp on my One X. the only real reason i flash roms is so i can have the status bar, settings, dialer, phonebook etc look like stock android.
is it possible to have a sense based rom that will be skinned to look like stock android? with the status bar, settings, dialer and all that jazz?
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Not completely skinned, no. Dialler is the hardest part IMO as there's no custom dialler that looks like the stock one does. It's actually the thing I miss most when running sense.
M.

mattman83 said:
Not completely skinned, no. Dialler is the hardest part IMO as there's no custom dialler that looks like the stock one does. It's actually the thing I miss most when running sense.
M.
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ah.. bummer. i really hated the sense dialer

mattman83 said:
Not completely skinned, no. Dialler is the hardest part IMO as there's no custom dialler that looks like the stock one does. It's actually the thing I miss most when running sense.
M.
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I would disagree with that to a point. I've used sense ROMs where, when you push AOSP contacts.apk to /system/app, you get get AOSP dialer and contacts. Same with mail is possible, if I remember correctly. I've even seen the AOSP settings used in sense (though, it may have been just themed that way) in jellybomb domination ROM. I forget exactly, it's been a while. I run just AOKP or PACman on my Evo lte. I buy HTC for the hardware, not the software. But, sense 5 is intriguing and seems to resemble AOSP more than in the past, but with the blink feed and Zoe (which is what I do find intriguing).
From my Evo LTE, yup.

CursiveQ said:
what is the difference between sense based roms vs aosp based roms? i've seen some sense based ones that have the same UI as CM10 etc.
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in cm your're guaranteed to miss out on some key features. For instance, with the HTC EVO 4g LTE (and the one x and all its variants as far as i know), CM cannot incorporate the sense based cameras into the rom, so your're really getting something like 70% of the image quality because nobody's been able to figure out how to use the separate, Sense-designated optics hardware with an aosp rom. You're obviously missing out on hmdi/mhl out so forget about connecting to your tv. There are issues with using mass storage from sdcard (probably not going to be a problem here though), amongst others.
CM is on the other hand, generally more customizable and smoother to run than sense based roms, but there are some sense roms (like VIPER 4G 3.X) that are imo right on par with CMX when it comes to great custom experience yet do not omit important hardware features.

To-Do List For our device :)

Before any of you say anything negative this isnt to bug other devs this is a thread for people to request/ ask for things me and the other devs to do after they have finished their other projects.
-Firefox OS
-LG UI(fix lockscreen)
-CM7
-Sense 4.1
-cm10.1 WiFi and Bluetooth
-cm10 WiFi authentication issue
-S-OFF
-Roms for cdma version
-Sense 4.1.2
Just pop requests underneath and ill update reguarly.

Shad0wPanda said:
Before any of you say anything negative this isnt to bug other devs this is a thread for people to request/ ask for things me and the other devs to do after they have finished their other projects.
-Firefox OS
-LG UI
-CM7
Just pop requests underneath and ill update reguarly.
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Sense 4.1 (If possible)

Shad0wPanda said:
Before any of you say anything negative this isnt to bug other devs this is a thread for people to request/ ask for things me and the other devs to do after they have finished their other projects.
-Firefox OS
-LG UI
-CM7
Just pop requests underneath and ill update reguarly.
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Hahaha, heres an LG UI Rom, iv'e had it for a while, just lockscreen doesnt work at all! so slide down NC and hit settings to unlock, then install a custom locker such as holo locker! I'll post in the dev threads when i can be bothered, but test that out..
http://d-h.st/2V2
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i think gettin bt and wifi implemented in cm 10.1 should be a good place to begin

lead3r1 said:
i think gettin bt and wifi implemented in cm 10.1 should be a good place to begin
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+1
but we really need the devs to go back to work

CM7 FTW
CM7 first ... it would be super buttery smooth for us ...

How are you so certain it'd be "buttery smooth"? Cuz I'm not sure, if not totally negative on that matter.

How are you so certain it'd be "buttery smooth"? Cuz I'm not sure, if not totally negative on that matter.
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Brnt you don't have to flash cm7... What's with all the gingerbread hate??
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I suggest we go back to XP then. It's going to run so much better on our new PCs!
It's not hate, you just get overexcited over nothing without even putting some though into it. Go on, prove me gingerbread will run smoother than JB/ICS, but without these facts your words are nothing.

brnt said:
I suggest we go back to XP then. It's going to run so much better on our new PCs!
It's not hate, you just get overexcited over nothing without even putting some though into it. Go on, prove me gingerbread will run smoother than JB/ICS, but without these facts your words are nothing.
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I think you have your analogy wrong. Going from a newer version of Windows to an older version of Windows is pointless because...well...it's still Windows.
However, if you were to go from Ubuntu to, say, Slackware, you would definitely see a boost in performance because Slackware is far less taxing on the available resources. The same could be said about going from JB to GB. GB requires less resources and can therefore run smoother/faster on hardware designed for a higher version of Android. This is a well known fact throughout the Android community because nearly every JB or ICS based device has GB ROM development in some form or another.
It's still Android. Roughly 90% of the differences between JB/ICS and GB lie in the overall appearence, not the functionality.

IDEA
Or lets make CM10 even better
Like eliminate WiFi problems and hotspot problems etc :fingers-crossed:
What do you think?

S off would be good.
Not first priority though
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Phenziox said:
S off would be good.
Not first priority though
sent from CM10'd Desire C
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It would be very useful though but it's more HTCs job
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@soupmagnet, i agree entirely with that statement, however, where is the desire coming from for having GingerBread Roms? if it was desired so much, then why not buy a gingerbread phone in the first place? Would've been cheaper and there are still devices on the market, some with faster processors then the Desire C, if you wanted GingerBread, should've bought a GB Device, you don't go buy a brand new Windows 8 PC to deliberately downgrade it to a legacy OS like vista and limit the features you have access to. It lacks all logic in all honesty.. You don't go to sell a phone after use being all like, Yeah it has 2.3.5 GB on it, or brag to your mates, yeah my device is android 2.3.5, fact is 4.2.2 is the best android so far, Android has only improved over time, GB on our device is like an i7 with vista, you just don't do that kind of thing..

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@soupmagnet, i agree entirely with that statement, however, where is the desire coming from for having GingerBread Roms? if it was desired so much, then why not buy a gingerbread phone in the first place? Would've been cheaper and there are still devices on the market, some with faster processors then the Desire C, if you wanted GingerBread, should've bought a GB Device, you don't go buy a brand new Windows 8 PC to deliberately downgrade it to a legacy OS like vista and limit the features you have access to. It lacks all logic in all honesty.. You don't go to sell a phone after use being all like, Yeah it has 2.3.5 GB on it, or brag to your mates, yeah my device is android 2.3.5, fact is 4.2.2 is the best android so far, Android has only improved over time, GB on our device is like an i7 with vista, you just don't do that kind of thing..
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The problem with your logic is that Gingerbread based devices (with a few exceptions) only have hardware that is capable of meeting the low demands of Gingerbread.
For many people, the worth of their device is in its functionality, not its "bragging rights". I will never have Windows on my computer simply because of the features it provides. I use Linux, because of it's speed, stability and and overall functionality. ICS and JB do have some nice additional features, but at a noticeable cost of available resources and stability, and the overall functionality is still nearly the same. While higher versions of Android do provide some "improvements", they are mostly linked to the user interface (which many people don't necessarily like) and there are very few performance improvements. So for you to say that it "lacks all logic" is, well, illogical in itself.
While you may like what JB and ICS have to offer and prefer that for your daily driver, I don't think it's fair to ridicule others' personal preference in Android versions, considering the majority of changes between these versions are exclusive to the UI and not Android itself.

Off-topic... naughty naughty
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Getting back on topic...
It would be nice to see more CDMA support though. I have a shell script, based on bin4ry's exploit, to root the CDMA variants, but it needs to be converted over to Windows' batch scripting language. If anyone wants to have a go at it, just let me know.
As far as ROMs are concerned, we can use the existing GSM ROMs, but a patch will need to be made. It wouldn't be that difficult to implement and would be much easier than creating all new CDMA ROMs.
The biggest problem would be getting a working recovery. I tried unpacking the existing (GSM) recovery and replaced the kernel with the phone's stock kernel but it didn't work out very well. I think a new recovery would need to be built from source, but I'm running into strange compile errors when compiling the stock kernel from source. I don't have experience building custom recovery so it's going to be challenging trying to figure everything out, but I think I can handle it.
Clearly, the need for CDMA support is low, but it's far from non-existent. I'm more than willing to take the reigns on this project, but I may have to take advantage of some of the experience around here, assuming there are those willing to lend a hand.

soupmagnet said:
The problem with your logic is that Gingerbread based devices (with a few exceptions) only have hardware that is capable of meeting the low demands of Gingerbread.
For many people, the worth of their device is in its functionality, not its "bragging rights". I will never have Windows on my computer simply because of the features it provides. I use Linux, because of it's speed, stability and and overall functionality. ICS and JB do have some nice additional features, but at a noticeable cost of available resources and stability, and the overall functionality is still nearly the same. While higher versions of Android do provide some "improvements", they are mostly linked to the user interface (which many people don't necessarily like) and there are very few performance improvements. So for you to say that it "lacks all logic" is, well, illogical in itself.
While you may like what JB and ICS have to offer and prefer that for your daily driver, I don't think it's fair to ridicule others' personal preference in Android versions, considering the majority of changes between these versions are exclusive to the UI and not Android itself.
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I stand corrected, thankyou for clearing that up for me, i never thought to look at it in this way, however, when you do get a working recovering, i do so believe i added cdma support in SHTD, the rom was both configured for cdma and for gsm, as it is in the build.prop also!, however a cdma aosp kernel would be needed

cm10.1 wifi bluetooth fixed would be a cool rom... Devs plz fix it... We noobs will be greatfull to you......:laugh::laugh::good:

akashgartia said:
cm10.1 wifi bluetooth fixed would be a cool rom... Devs plz fix it... We noobs will be greatfull to you......:laugh::laugh::good:
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Don't rush them. They have other stuff to do. If you want it done, you could learn and try it yourself.

CM vs GPe - What's the difference?

Hey guys,
since i'm currently a flashaholic and dont want to stick with sense rom's (i just dont like them, can't say why). I'm trying around a bit, mostly with GPe rom's.
But whats the real difference between GPe and CM based rom's?
- Which rom/version is more stable?
- Which rom/version got the better perfomance/battery life?
I know that CM based roms are having more features and looking nice (at least for some peoples).
But i want a overall good performance, stability and moderate batterylife.
Thanks in advice

kewkie said:
Hey guys,
since i'm currently a flashaholic and dont want to stick with sense rom's (i just dont like them, can't say why). I'm trying around a bit, mostly with GPe rom's.
But whats the real difference between GPe and CM based rom's?
- Which rom/version is more stable?
- Which rom/version got the better perfomance/battery life?
I know that CM based roms are having more features and looking nice (at least for some peoples).
But i want a overall good performance, stability and moderate batterylife.
Thanks in advice
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You've to try the roms for choose which is better.
Howeve the GE have some features like beats audio and some thing from sense, and the update are from htc with the latest release of android.
The CM rom have some features like the editing of status bar and so on, and are built from developers

Well, i dont hear that much music, so beats-audio is useless, not at all, but a bit.
I'm tired of testing around
Just thought you guys can share your experience with some of your used roms

kewkie said:
Well, i dont hear that much music, so beats-audio is useless, not at all, but a bit.
I'm tired of testing around
Just thought you guys can share your experience with some of your used roms
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The problem is that mod don't like thread as: which rom is better for you?
This rom have a better battery then this?
And questions like this

Yeah i know, but it actually isnt a thread like this
I just wanna hear some experience

Google play edition roms are built on HTC's framework, or they were when it released. AOSP roms are actually built from AOSP framework using the libs and drivers and device trees that have been custom built for the one.
So the foundation of the Google Play edition, the part the user never sees, is a lot closer to stock sense from HTC minus the interface and launcher, while CM and other AOSP roms are built from AOSP style source code (CM from their source, others from their own custom source code some of which is truly custom and some of which is modified from CM source)
There's a lot of advantages to running AOSP source code based romms if you're going for an AOSP rom, but theres also a lot of users that can't use adb or fastboot and don't want to learn how and don't care to read into a rom thread, and the google play edition stuff is nice for people who want a phone with a stock google launcher, that doesn't have the sense interface heft, and just want things to work with an out of the box type experience. You know the type, they don't do a clean install for six months and wonder why the headlights in their car blink and settings force closes when they press the volume rocker.
There are certain apps that will work with the GPE and others that will only work with AOSP source, so on and so fourth. Half the people are better suited for GPE rom's and stockish foundations and then the other chunk of the people only buy their phone so they wipe it till its raw getting HTC stuff off and get custom AOSP source based roms on instead. It all depends on the user and what's better fitted for their experience.
In your case if you're not running sense roms at all and you like to follow development from what I've seen because I've seen you on here a good bit, I'd get into some real AOSP for a bit and see how you like it. The good thing about AOSP is that it's infinitely customizable and any user that wants too could be theming in a week and compiling/merging source in a month and cooking roms for their personal use. Most people way less than that. That doesn't mean that the devs publishing roms don't have a lot of time in them, it's just much easier to compile and work with the source than the HTC source is and the senseish framework.

Thanks @CharliesTheMan Thats a pretty good answer
Well i liked CM/AOSP rom's on my other phones and never used stock-ish ones.
Well, mainly i use my phone for phoning around (no sh*t! lol), social networking, taking photos and derping around a bit.
I never used the sense-features (blink feed, zoe, beats-audio etc. - i like the gallery, but honestly.. i like quickpic much more, i like it minimalism), neither like the look of sense.
I'm just a bit scared of using an AOSP rom, i dont really now why.. maybe scared of phone-signal-breaks, quality breaks or something like this.
But to be honest, i have to test it by myself i know, like the performance, stability and battery - its stuff i have to test and figure out by myself, because everyone is using the phone not in the same way and everyone got other recommendation from a rom and i got the point you wanted to say with your post

aosp vs sense

I'm looking to make the switch to aosp. I know that the dialer codes only work on sense roms (#data, #775, #778). How can you get access to these when using an aosp rom? Is an aosp rom that much better than a sense rom?

gsx1000r02 said:
I'm looking to make the switch to aosp. I know that the dialer codes only work on sense roms (#data, #775, #778). How can you get access to these when using an aosp rom? Is an aosp rom that much better than a sense rom?
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I was googling this earlier, and there are methods which can enable dialer codes but untested on our phones. Honestly there are hundreds of threads on AOSP and Sense comparisons, but in my opinion, AOSP has better battery life (although sometimes I've heard that Sense has better battery life), Sense has better looks as it has HTC's skin all over it. Last but not all, AOSP ROMs, such as Nocturnal GE are usually always on the latest version of Android.

If you switch to AOSP (I am using LS AOSP Rom). You will lose some of these:
Voicemail Application
Dialer Codes
All Hardware Camera Features (e.g. Burst, Zoe, etc)
Blinkfeed

fryguy503 said:
If you switch to AOSP (I am using LS AOSP Rom). You will lose some of these:
Voicemail Application
Dialer Codes
All Hardware Camera Features (e.g. Burst, Zoe, etc)
Blinkfeed
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Of those, can you get back the voicemail and camera funct. back? What, then, really makes aosp better? I have only ever had an HTC phone. The only thing I know is the Sense. If I was to switch to say a samsung or something else, what is really out there for them in terms of roms?

gsx1000r02 said:
Of those, can you get back the voicemail and camera funct. back? What, then, really makes aosp better? I have only ever had an HTC phone. The only thing I know is the Sense. If I was to switch to say a samsung or something else, what is really out there for them in terms of roms?
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There are Third party Camera apps that will emulate the burst feature. The Voicemail app you can use Google Voice, it has a "Similar" feature.
The deal is, AOSP is a preference some love it, some hate it. I prefer AOSP over Sense, however maybe you like TouchWiz (Samsung's Shell) or *Shudder* the old Moto Blur.
HTC Devices are built around Sense, the hardware is designed to work with it, and only it. This leads us to the closed source drivers that the Camera uses. This is what limits the AOSP's ability to interact with the camera, e.g. Burst and Zoe like functions.
The only way to tell, is to just try a AOSP Rom and decide for yourself. Do a Nandroid backup of your current setup then flash (A Sprint Version, do not flash a GSM/International Version or you will have a bad day) an AOSP Rom. I suggest Liquid Smooth.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2647850

fryguy503 said:
There are Third party Camera apps that will emulate the burst feature. The Voicemail app you can use Google Voice, it has a "Similar" feature.
The deal is, AOSP is a preference some love it, some hate it. I prefer AOSP over Sense, however maybe you like TouchWiz (Samsung's Shell) or *Shudder* the old Moto Blur.
HTC Devices are built around Sense, the hardware is designed to work with it, and only it. This leads us to the closed source drivers that the Camera uses. This is what limits the AOSP's ability to interact with the camera, e.g. Burst and Zoe like functions.
The only way to tell, is to just try a AOSP Rom and decide for yourself. Do a Nandroid backup of your current setup then flash (A Sprint Version, do not flash a GSM/International Version or you will have a bad day) an AOSP Rom. I suggest Liquid Smooth.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2647850
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KEWL thanx for the fast response. I've been looking around at all of the different ROMs out there. I've been consistently using either BADBOYZ or BADSEED on sense. Looking to just try something different. I have CM on my Nexus 7 wifi, just wasn't sure about putting aosp on a phone. I know I also lose the dialer codes that can be used with sense roms. Is there any way to bring them back to aosp?

One question that I have never asked and could not find anything on. Which rom type has the better signal, aosp or sense?

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KEWL thanx for the fast response. I've been looking around at all of the different ROMs out there. I've been consistently using either BADBOYZ or BADSEED on sense. Looking to just try something different. I have CM on my Nexus 7 wifi, just wasn't sure about putting aosp on a phone. I know I also lose the dialer codes that can be used with sense roms. Is there any way to bring them back to aosp?
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I know its not a perfect solution but when I use Roms with no epst/dialer code support. I just keep a nandroid of a ROM that does. When I need it its just a nandroid away! Works for me!
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All ROMs are same

Hi guys,
I know its really hard to create a new ROM and updating it and giving to users. But since the launch of Android 5.0 Lollipop I don't find difference between all major ROMs.
If there is difference, it is of the Bugs. Some ROMs got big bugs and some with small bugs. But rest is same. The looks the feel, everything same (Except MIUI - which is not on Android 5.0).
I have tried almost all of them. Thanks to all the devs. But my question is there any ROM which is unique???
I am getting same functions in all of them with same looks Even they are same in smoothness and working.
The difference is created by Cyanogen ROMs with theme engine, but now all ROMs now include that theme engine. So we are basically using the same ROM everywhere.
At the moment I am using DirtyUnicorn and I don't want to change because all the ROMs are same.
Is there any ROM which is unique??????? Any?????

Don't say that I should change theme or launcher. It just makes the availability of ROMs a joke.
I am still waiting for MIUI or Lewa if it arrives.

gautam.is.sharma said:
Don't say that I should change theme or launcher. It just makes the availability of ROMs a joke.
I am still waiting for MIUI or Lewa if it arrives.
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If you dont like them then by all means make one yourself. Just wait MIUI is also gonna look alot like the rest. Android is made for you to change things to make it your own. So use a launcher and a custom theme or make your own rom.
Also if you are looking for verity then you should not have gotten a nexus. Get a Touchwiz or Sense device. This way you have more options.

See I do agree with you. Most roms are pretty similar when compared to back in the days of A4.2.
What I think is more important is the choice of kernel. Allowing the ability to over/underclock and control voltages automatically and many other things. I think learning how to use a kernel and it's various governers is what will separate phones.

I dont know why so little roms have cm profiles. It's a feature that have much more benefits than any theme engine
I'm a Brazilian without English Course, sorry and be comprehensive

zelendel said:
If you dont like them then by all means make one yourself. Just wait MIUI is also gonna look alot like the rest. Android is made for you to change things to make it your own. So use a launcher and a custom theme or make your own rom.
Also if you are looking for verity then you should not have gotten a nexus. Get a Touchwiz or Sense device. This way you have more options.
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See the second post.
I am not against devs and ROMs, but my only thought is that they are all same.
Even once we used to have great Paranoid ROMs with great features, but now it is nothing but same as all CMs.
With Android 5.0 Google has done something that is now killing Custom ROMs. The ROMs are becoming similar or I should say same.
MIUI is different because they are doing different, but all others are just mixing functions and giving you CM ROMs.

gautam.is.sharma said:
See the second post.
I am not against devs and ROMs, but my only thought is that they are all same.
Even once we used to have great Paranoid ROMs with great features, but now it is nothing but same as all CMs.
With Android 5.0 Google has done something that is now killing Custom ROMs. The ROMs are becoming similar or I should say same.
MIUI is different because they are doing different, but all others are just mixing functions and giving you CM ROMs.
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Well first thing is MIUI is not really different. They are just coping others as well. Notice how they are still on KK? Yes many features are the Same in alot of roms and that is because users have come to expect those and Devs are working like crazy to get them moved up to 5.0 and working. As for them giving you CM roms that is where your wrong. Many have completely ditched CM roms sources due to their dumb ways of merging untested code.
I wont even talk about Paranoid android. They never came up with anything original.
Android at the base is all supposed to look the same. This is what Google Whats and got it with the nasty thing they call the Material design.
I saw your second post. My answer will still be the same. The days of themed roms are over. You are given a clean base to make it your way. So take that and make it yours with a theme and launchers and such.

zelendel said:
Well first thing is MIUI is not really different. They are just coping others as well. Notice how they are still on KK? Yes many features are the Same in alot of roms and that is because users have come to expect those and Devs are working like crazy to get them moved up to 5.0 and working. As for them giving you CM roms that is where your wrong. Many have completely ditched CM roms sources due to their dumb ways of merging untested code.
I wont even talk about Paranoid android. They never came up with anything original.
Android at the base is all supposed to look the same. This is what Google Whats and got it with the nasty thing they call the Material design.
I saw your second post. My answer will still be the same. The days of themed roms are over. You are given a clean base to make it your way. So take that and make it yours with a theme and launchers and such.
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What I really love about MIUI is that they are working in completely different manner. They are working hard on including new features and providing new looks and with a big market for customization.
Whereas CM are great too, and they are the base ROMs for maybe all the ROMs we are using right now.
I don't think Paranoid didn't did anything new, they gave us Hybrid ROMs. But with Android 5.0, they no more my favorites.

gautam.is.sharma said:
What I really love about MIUI is that they are working in completely different manner. They are working hard on including new features and providing new looks and with a big market for customization.
Whereas CM are great too, and they are the base ROMs for maybe all the ROMs we are using right now.
I don't think Paranoid didn't did anything new, they gave us Hybrid ROMs. But with Android 5.0, they no more my favorites.
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Almost no ROMs are using cm as a base any more. Miui is just taking ideas from iOS. They are even working on a whole new setup so they can release devices in the us without apple sue them out of business.

zelendel said:
Almost no ROMs are using cm as a base any more. Miui is just taking ideas from iOS. They are even working on a whole new setup so they can release devices in the us without apple sue them out of business.
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Copying is what they are doing for themes. I don't think that's bad. iOS is more Android, so if MIUI is copying the design then it's not the issue. Their environment is different. So do CMs.

gautam.is.sharma said:
Copying is what they are doing for themes. I don't think that's bad. iOS is more Android, so if MIUI is copying the design then it's not the issue. Their environment is different. So do CMs.
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So let me get this straight. You think coping is ok yet dont like that all the roms "seem" the same to you?
IOS is more Android?
Your right their environment is different. They dont care what users want or say.
Cm is not even worth mentioning anymore really. They are fast becoming just as big a joke as MIUI in the android world. No one with any real thoughts of their own even use their roms anymore.

The problem is that we all think that the developers actually develop something.
The matter of the fact is that they only tinker with what Google gave them.
So I wouldn't hold my breath for a sense like rom that has its own framework.
No one has got time for that. Big things come from big companies. Or maybe from a team of good friends.

A long time a go a bunch of people gave us Theme Engine, Hybrid Mode, Profiles, PIE, Heads-up, Immersive mode and lots of stuff that was new at the time. I really believe that the creative process is, has been and will be strong on XDA - Developers... but i agree with the OP albeit for different reasons.
I think that as technology, products or processes are understood better, being innovative, creative or "disruptive" becomes harder:
1.- We (the consumer) demand a series of features that become standarized which tramples innovation
2.-And there is the thing with the source material P.E. There is so much a thinkerer can do with a hammer a 2x4 and a couple of nails... Same with android.
3.- As a technology matures the innovation rate diminishes. Look at clocks, TV, videogames or smartphones! Every year there are new models, but little game changing technology even when there are hundred of people working on with, fully paid and with the backing of big companies.
Science and technology advance is not linear... I think that we are on a low point on ROM innovation but to me, that only means that soon somebody will come up with something new and great.

Android roms are same?
Yes they are with a little difference in each and every rom ..coz they are built from the same mother source...AOSP...
Google itself builds it factory images from aosp with touch of google changes...
Every oem uses the aosp and modifies it to make sense, touchwiz, zenui etc etc...
Things have certainly changed in past few years when we only had cm pa pac man ..
Now we have 100s of options ..some developers even kind enough to merge our 'wanted' changes in their rom.
So instead of looking at this thing as 'all are same with little changes' , look it as a 'single thing with 100s of options/modifications' to exactly suit your needs.
Yes its confusing sometimes especially when you are a nexus user
Try a different oem if u want a great change on changing custom roms (migrating from touchwiz to vanilla android gives a wow feeling )

Of course they're 100 pretty much exactly the same roms out there. It's really hard to notice any difference among them. It´s all true. Also calling every room-cooker a developer is in my opinion little too much.
It's been already stated that if you want more variation is better to go for oem devices. however probably at the price of never getting fully working aosp/cm rom (unles we're talking about gpe devices). If you want variation go for flagship oems if you want to enjoy aosp go for nexus.

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Do you think all ROMs are basically same in Android 5.0??
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"Same" is a relative term like "IS".
A relative term is that it is different for different people or situations. An example: someone who is 5 feet tall might think someone who is 5 feet six inches tall is tall, but someone who is 6 feet would think that that person is short.
So I voted no, I don't think all ROM's are the same but they are definitely very similar.
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Agreed, there does not seem to be a lot of innovation in Lollipop ROM features. I have tried Euphoria, TeamUB, crDroid, Slim, RastaPOP, OminROM and XenonHD.
So far they all have the same features. The best one really is XenonHD with its custom long press and double-tap actions on the Nav Bar buttons. This is a great carry over feature from KitKat.
All the other ROMs suck in terms of "new" features.

+1 ..

I guess after 3 4 yrs being on xda, flashing roms with different features, developers amazing us with new and unique features every few months, for me Now it all comes down to the daily use of these features
The PA per app color, pie and omni roms split screen were something that i could use as a daily driver. I really miss PA roms Pie, slimpie somehow is just isnt the same. I miss the tablet mode from PA too.
What i want as a user is a smooth stable rom with some basic tweaks that i dont find on a stock rom and less battery drain. Which i pretty much have with LiquidSmooth.
The speed of innovation has slowed down or rather there arent many more innovative things to do that can be used for daily use anymore i guess. Im not complaining here, just a thought.
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Gravitybox or MiUi CM is not same