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I have seen first hand proof of this working. I had an evo 3d. Htc decided all futre devices would have locked bootliaders well that made alot of people angry. Someone posted a thread on xda suggesting we let htc know that is not gna fly. So it turnd out thousands of people got on there facebook wall and twitter. Guess what the next day htc released a statement saying that they wanted too keep there coustamers happy and that the bootloader would be unlocked. They were. Id like to be able too have a device and not have too get a new one juzt because moto or htc or sammy wants too put them out constantly get people too buy them and then ditch them and out out another. The atrix is 100 percent capable of runing ics and theres no excuae for it l not too recieve it just because moto wants people too buy new devices every couple months. I know many many people feel the same way well as i said we have the power too change that if people would stop bickering and take it seriously. And also if moto started supporting devices longer not just bug fixes but the new android flavors. Id definately make my next device a moto it would do nothing but benefit them
Why are we discussing/petitioning something that we don't know? Has it been set in stone that manufacturers will not support us anymore or is this all stemming from paranoia?
Because it is the trend. And the atrix 2 has been released already. All the manufactures with the exception of sammy have been doing this more and more lately abandoning. Devices. And pumping out new ones. At a very fast pace
So you are saying they are not going to support the atrix anymore since they released the atrix 2? I'd rather wait till this actually happens before i draw a conclusion. e.g. when ICS gets released and they say they are not going to update the atrix.
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So you are saying they are not going to support the atrix anymore since they released the atrix 2? I'd rather wait till this actually happens before i draw a conclusion. e.g. when ICS gets released and they say they are not going to update the atrix.
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Look at the original Incredible.
My wife's one has been turned to **** since the 2.3.4 update, and nothing from HTC, and Verizon pretty much said too bad so sad. Buy another phone or deal with it.
So yes, support will be dropped for older models whether you like to assumed it or not.
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Look at the original Incredible.
My wife's one has been turned to **** since the 2.3.4 update, and nothing from HTC, and Verizon pretty much said too bad so sad. Buy another phone or deal with it.
So yes, support will be dropped for older models whether you like to assumed it or not.
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No it is obvious support is going to be dropped for old models. But he is implying that models released this year will not get support.
I think for every $10 a phone costs over $50 on launch day (on contract) is how many months it should be updated for. So a $300 phone should be kept updated for 25 months. So this would either keep phone prices lower or keep them updated.
Facebook is a poor way of getting the attention of corporations. You want them to change? Buy a nexus phone. Money talks.
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No it is obvious support is going to be dropped for old models. But he is implying that models released this year will not get support.
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I think ICS only has support for Armv7 currently, so phones with those SoCs will get updated. However, phones using custom UIs will experience a longer waiting time, maybe around early Q1 of 2012. HTC has released like 1000 phones in the last few months and I doubt most will get ICS soon, not sure if Moto will bother at all. But it might be better to wait and actually see what goes down, like you said.
Has HTC in fact locked a boot loader or withheld hardware drivers?
I intend for my next phone to be HTC just because of the hell Samsung put us though trying to get GB on the i9000.
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Has HTC in fact locked a boot loader or withheld hardware drivers?
I intend for my next phone to be HTC just because of the hell Samsung put us though trying to get GB on the i9000.
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HTC new phones i believe i read come locked.
You can unlock them direct with HTC, but you loose all warranty. As per HTC.
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HTC new phones i believe i read come locked.
You can unlock them direct with HTC, but you loose all warranty. As per HTC.
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As I understand it, you lose all ROM related warranty, so for instance if your screen fails then you're still covered.
Motorola unlocking bootloaders ??
you should check this:
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I had a motorola xt720.... not the best phone..but was ok. Motorola decided to stop supporting it within 4 months of launch or something stupid like that. No new updates no nothing. And still insisted on the bootloader staying locked so the dev's found it alot harder to do their job for them.
I will never ever buy a motorola product again.
The market is fairly competitive ... don't buy from companies that pull this crap
Will the sins of my past haunt me?
I have seen discussions on other forums about how those of us who used Cheesecake to install .893 from the Moto servers will not be able to take advantage of future updates.
I hope Motorola keeps in mind why customers installed .893. I paid $300 for a phone that had significant data connectivity problems. It was frustrating to know that Motorola had a fix available but I could not take advantage of it. I totally understand the need for Motorola to go through a careful quality assurance process, and I agree with it.
As an experience IT professional I read up on how to install the leaked update. I was confident I could do it without bricking my phone. I also read that it may take me off the update path, although I am optimistic this will not be the case. I knew I was installing the update at my own risk. Had I bricked the phone then I would accept the responsibility. I did not.
The leaked update significantly improved my data connectivity. I am thrilled with the phone. I also am looking forward to continuing down the upgrade path. I will be very upset if Motorola deliberately prevents this because I installed there, albeit leaked, update to resolve the known issues that existed with their phone.
I was not trying to get something I did not deserve. I was trying to get what I paid for, a working phone with reliable data connectivity. I use the phone for business and I absolutely require a smart phone with data. Had I not applied the .893 update I would have been forced to revert to my OG Droid. I did not apply this update to get anything more then what I paid for.
The decision is Motorola’s. Although I think it is wrong, Motorola can lock us out from future upgrades. There is not much we can do about it, except not buy Motorola in the future.
I believe Motorola is an awsome company and will make what I believe is the correct decision. If they don’t I suspect there will be a developer that will come up with a work around. Of course this will further push me off the upgrade path.
I would prefer to be completely stock. I do not need to be rooted. I do not want what I did not pay for. However, the only way I could use the phone’s data capability, a requirement for getting email, was to install the update.
This new, 'unable to upgrade unless stock' just adds to the whole bionic disaster. I was in your boat and held off for as long add I could stand it.. My 500 dollar phone was basically a useless paper weight. The data drops were horrid. Most days I had no data and battery pulls were a frequent part of the 'user experience'. I can't remember being this angry over some thing I have bought. After the uptenth release delay I tools myself I wasn't buying it. unfortunately the phone I had was done for, and I gave it a shot. At this point moto would have to do something extraordinary for me to buy anything from them again. I was looking a an Xoom... But decided on a Toshiba thrive. Their customer service is a wee bit better. Hopefully a Dev will come up worth a solution to this and I will be able to have a useable phone for the next year.
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I was in the same boat you're in, but Verizon insisted on sending me out a new phone last week. I will be buying a Galaxy Nexus for full price as soon as it's out. I returned my phone to stock .886 (I know the radio and kernel don't go back) and removed root before I sent my old phone back. I am using the new phone they sent right now. I rooted it to use Titanium Backup, but I sure as heck won't upgrade it again so I can sell it as soon as the Nexus is out and won't have to disclose that I upgraded it
They really have no choice unless they want to replace alot of Bionics.
I will recieve the official updates (including ICS) or I will insist on a replacement phone from Big Red. I'm sure I'm not the only one here. I pay for unlimited data, not occassional data. Not to go off topic, but I use less than 1GB of data a month, I don't feel guilty using the FREE hotspot to tether my Xoom. Contracts are supposed to benefit BOTH parties.
The .893 update might very well be the official update. I called moto and asked them about this potential problem. They saw that my system was 5.7.893 and told me I was on the latest and most up to date version. I thought they must just be dumb or something. However today someone posted on droidforums that they received an official ota update notification on their phone and after taking it they were on 893. Thus user supposedly called moto as well and they told him the same thing. That 893 was in fact the official update that would be released to everyone. Anyways at this point its all kinda speculation as its hard to know if these are truths and if moto/consumers are just confused. Either way if its turns outs that its not the final update and we can't take the real one from.the kernel mismatch, moto will allow u to send.them the phone and they will flash it for you. We did not void our warranties from applying it manually. They assured me of this. So while it might be an inconvenience, we will not be stuck.
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I'm with the OP. I travel constantly and the bionic is my sole source of internet (I have the hotspot add on). I too applied the 893 update back in early November because I needed the phone to work.
oddly enough I flashed the radio and system back to stock last night and my phone and lte have both been faster.
If i'm unable to ota the offical update i'm going to call American express and claim a warranty issue that I get data drops and that vzw and moto haven't resolved my issue. Generally they credit me for the purchase price of the phone since I paid full retail for the bionic and i'm going to jump ship for the Samsung.
One of the advantages of the amex gold and platinum cards.
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just an fyi:
more and more sources are pointing to 5.7.893 as the OFFICIAL ota update. So all the rumors of what will be the final release, and everyoen trying to get back to stock if they applied this. Or people trying to get to the 5.8.893 or higher versions, etc, seems futile at this point. 2 users buying new bionics report that there phones are on 5.7.893 out of the box. In calling motorola, they confirmed this was the most up to date version. They told me teh same thing as well.
Here's a quote from someone at droid forums:
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For what its worth, I just bought a bionic 2 days ago and its running 5.7.893 right out of the box. No ota update."
So, if you applied the leak that updated your kernel/radio and your system version is 5.7.893, i think you can rest assured that you are UP TO DATE. You will not receive any OTA cause you are already on the latest version. AND, when the next OTA comes out (ice cream sandwich i believe), you Will be able to take it as your system is good.
I used to work at the Best Buy Samsung Experience Shop. I went by there the other day. They have a tool that updates your phone to MF3 and it doesn't remove hardly any data. I rerooted and reinstalled safestrap and everything was still there.
So, this begs the obvious question: do you have any friends at that Best Buy that could maybe, you know... <hint hint> hit you up with a copy of whatever software they're using to do that?
HEY I HAD TO ASK!!!
I did this the other day and say that this works perfectly! So glad to be back on MF3!!
I don't think I can get a copy. The best I can do is make a flashable backup afterward and upload it. = / the software downloads it from a server.
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I don't think I can get a copy. The best I can do is make a flashable backup afterward and upload it. = / the software downloads it from a server.
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I don't think he was asking for the file specifically but rather a copy of the software they are using. It's logical to assume that if we were able to obtain a copy of the software they use at best buy the it could still be made to download and flash the appropriate mf3 firmware file from anywhere with an internet connection.
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Does every Best Buy have a Samsung Rep?
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Does every Best Buy have a Samsung Rep?
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Not every one, but most.
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Does every Best Buy have a Samsung Rep?
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Your best bet is to call and ask at your local best buy. That's what I did. My best buy is small but they have one there. I'll be going there this weekend to see if they can update mine.
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Your best bet is to call and ask at your local best buy. That's what I did. My best buy is small but they have one there. I'll be going there this weekend to see if they can update mine.
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They can choose to either give you complete factory or just update only just do you know. Good luck it's a great tool I've used it. You should be good = ).
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I don't think I can get a copy. The best I can do is make a flashable backup afterward and upload it. = / the software downloads it from a server.
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Upload a backup Please!
-TransformixS3
Well I stopped by a local Best Buy here in Vegas this morning, sat in line waiting to speak to the "Samsung rep" (there were like 4 people in front of me) and when I was finally up the guy said "Oh, the Samsung rep is right behind me in the other section..." DOH!!!
Anyway, I had returned my GS4A (I537 of course) to MF1 earlier this morning, no root, nothing else but the ROM flashed from that ODIN One-Click that's available and...
The software they're using at Best Buy basically ignored my GS4A completely, recognizing it's running MF1 but it wouldn't do anything else and said the ROM wasn't compatible. The guy asked if I'd been rooted and of course I said "No..." then he said is it unlocked and I said "Yes..." and he said that's why.
I commented that would be a bit stupid since they do sell the phones off-contract and by doing so a person could get the unlock code from AT&T (as I did, actually, through an eBay seller who got it from AT&T) and he just shrugged his shoulders and handed me my phone and that was that. The rep specifically stated 3 times in a row that if it's unlocked you can't flash it with their software, so I made note of it and I'm passing along what at least this one "Samsung rep" stated to me - I can't verify or confirm it's true but that's what he said, 3 times in a row. He never mentioned rooting more than the one question, but was quite adamant that I understood the reason it wasn't working which by his statements was that if the phone is unlocked they can't flash it; I personally think it's a combination of mine being rooted in the past with activeroot and also being (carrier) unlocked as well.
So... I don't think being rooted caused the problem more than being unlocked, but at this point I don't have any clue to be honest, it could actually be a combination of both for whatever reason but this MF1 isn't rooted, that much I know for certain.
Anyway, that's a dead end for me so I'll just put Safestrap back on and load up the AOSP ROM with the MF1 kernel modules and the camera fix and be done with it, that's enough ROM swapping for me for the time being.
So just for the record: if you're thinking about doing this and you've rooted your I537 at any point, that may stop this potential flash of MF3 at Best Buy on your device cold - if it's unlocked that might have something to do with it as well but I'm going to guess they're checking for root even if you've completely restored an unrooted ROM like MF1, or they're just getting wise to us with the MF1 and MI2 pre-release ROMs we've been toying around with, I just don't know.
Would be nice to get MF3 back on here just in case AT&T does drop 4.3 during October but, I guess I'm somewhat "stuck" now since I'd prefer to have working screenshots so that means MF1 or the AOSP ROM.
Just passing along my experience...
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Well I stopped by a local Best Buy here in Vegas this morning, sat in line waiting to speak to the "Samsung rep" (there were like 4 people in front of me) and when I was finally up the guy said "Oh, the Samsung rep is right behind me in the other section..." DOH!!!
Anyway, I had returned my GS4A (I537 of course) to MF1 earlier this morning, no root, nothing else but the ROM flashed from that ODIN One-Click that's available and...
The software they're using at Best Buy basically ignored my GS4A completely, recognizing it's running MF1 but it wouldn't do anything else and said the ROM wasn't compatible. The guy asked if I'd been rooted and of course I said "No..." then he said is it unlocked and I said "Yes..." and he said that's why.
I commented that would be a bit stupid since they do sell the phones off-contract and by doing so a person could get the unlock code from AT&T (as I did, actually, through an eBay seller who got it from AT&T) and he just shrugged his shoulders and handed me my phone and that was that. The rep specifically stated 3 times in a row that if it's unlocked you can't flash it with their software, so I made note of it and I'm passing along what at least this one "Samsung rep" stated to me - I can't verify or confirm it's true but that's what he said, 3 times in a row. He never mentioned rooting more than the one question, but was quite adamant that I understood the reason it wasn't working which by his statements was that if the phone is unlocked they can't flash it; I personally think it's a combination of mine being rooted in the past with activeroot and also being (carrier) unlocked as well.
So... I don't think being rooted caused the problem more than being unlocked, but at this point I don't have any clue to be honest, it could actually be a combination of both for whatever reason but this MF1 isn't rooted, that much I know for certain.
Anyway, that's a dead end for me so I'll just put Safestrap back on and load up the AOSP ROM with the MF1 kernel modules and the camera fix and be done with it, that's enough ROM swapping for me for the time being.
So just for the record: if you're thinking about doing this and you've rooted your I537 at any point, that may stop this potential flash of MF3 at Best Buy on your device cold - if it's unlocked that might have something to do with it as well but I'm going to guess they're checking for root even if you've completely restored an unrooted ROM like MF1, or they're just getting wise to us with the MF1 and MI2 pre-release ROMs we've been toying around with, I just don't know.
Would be nice to get MF3 back on here just in case AT&T does drop 4.3 during October but, I guess I'm somewhat "stuck" now since I'd prefer to have working screenshots so that means MF1 or the AOSP ROM.
Just passing along my experience...
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Wow that sounds like a horrible experience. What I'm gathering from this is that the rep didn't know what he was talking about. My i537 is also unlocked, rooted, triple booting roms (safestrap) and I got the update just fine.
Here is what I bet happened. The tool they use has 2 different functions, and one isn't as well known. The one they usually use is basically connecting your phone (no download mode) and it updates, and that's that. That one never works. The other one requires them to press ALT + F10 on their keyboard and enter a password to get into the actual system that will give you the update to MF3. My guess is the rep didn't know about this.
I am 100% positive it can be done Br0adband. That rep was clueless.
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Wow that sounds like a horrible experience. What I'm gathering from this is that the rep didn't know what he was talking about. My i537 is also unlocked, rooted, triple booting roms (safestrap) and I got the update just fine.
Here is what I bet happened. The tool they use has 2 different functions, and one isn't as well known. The one they usually use is basically connecting your phone (no download mode) and it updates, and that's that. That one never works. The other one requires them to press ALT + F10 on their keyboard and enter a password to get into the actual system that will give you the update to MF3. My guess is the rep didn't know about this.
I am 100% positive it can be done Br0adband. That rep was clueless.
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Yah, he just plugged in the phone with it on and operational, clicked a tile on the screen (there were like a dozen of them each one supposedly for a different device), and after 20-30 seconds of it reading data from the device it just pulled up the ROM build (MF1) and then said it was incompatible.
Interesting, but I'm not sure if it's worth going back and dealing with the guy a second time - maybe I'll try again later tonight before they close and hopefully someone else will be on shift and I can mention the ALT+F10 thing, hopefully they'll have a clue.
My question to you is: did they require doing the ALT+F10 to get your device flashed properly?
Thanks for that tidbit of info, kinda wish you'd mentioned it earlier but but but...
It took the rep a few tries with mine... And one of those he switched the cable. I'd try a different best buy (if u can) or wait till someone else is at the keyboard. The last few months talking to AT&T tech support, they gave me all kinds of excuses too, but I could tell they had no clue or real skills beyond their training courses. Mine is not unlocked though.
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Yah, he just plugged in the phone with it on and operational, clicked a tile on the screen (there were like a dozen of them each one supposedly for a different device), and after 20-30 seconds of it reading data from the device it just pulled up the ROM build (MF1) and then said it was incompatible.
Interesting, but I'm not sure if it's worth going back and dealing with the guy a second time - maybe I'll try again later tonight before they close and hopefully someone else will be on shift and I can mention the ALT+F10 thing, hopefully they'll have a clue.
My question to you is: did they require doing the ALT+F10 to get your device flashed properly?
Thanks for that tidbit of info, kinda wish you'd mentioned it earlier but but but...
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Yes sir it did. If they don't know the password, it's probably smart100 if they act like it's a big deal tell them to call their field support hotline. Lolol
Not sure if it's worth all this hassle but, we'll see what happens if I decide to head back to Best Buy later. Thanks again for the info.
Going to best buy in the am
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I went at 10 when they opened the Samsung rep doesn't come in til noon. I'll try it tomorrow.
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I just got my phone updated to MF3 at my local Best Buy. First try said it was incompatible, so he called his support line and was told to put phone in download mode to update firm ware. Now I'm on official MF3. The Samsung rep was very cool let me watch the whole process.
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Will have to pass along that info to the Samsung rep if I do decide to head back to get MF3 installed. Running nicely on MF1 right at this moment so I'll stick with this for the time being. Thanks for the report.
Now if we could just yank that MF3 off yours into a flashable zip or whatever...
Pretty sure those days are coming to a close with the 4.3+ releases as Samsung apparently has every intention of locking down everything to as many degrees as possible.
So I just got my second replacement device. The first was acting goofy. I just dropped the second one and cracked the screen...thank god for the one time free screen fix...which is actually just a replacement device mailed to you. The current (cracked screen one) is modded. I have been finding my device doing random reboots or getting laggy.
So on to my question. Which ROM is as factory as possibly but free tethering enabled?
And your replacement has 4.4.4 and you are rooted?
Ugh...I hadn't even turned it on...it's got 5.1. My last replacement device didn't so I'd completely forgotten about that. As far as I know, I'm completely stuck and cannot root this, correct? Think there is any hope of Verizon getting me one without 5.1?
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Ugh...I hadn't even turned it on...it's got 5.1. My last replacement device didn't so I'd completely forgotten about that. As far as I know, I'm completely stuck and cannot root this, correct? Think there is any hope of Verizon getting me one without 5.1?
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Correct. I've read reports of people getting 5.1 replacements from Verizon as well. Jcase and beaups are supposedly working on updating Sunshine (bootloader unlocker) to support the Turbo, but there hasn't been any news on that in a while. Also, Sunshine needs root access to work, so it wouldn't work on 5.1 unless they also released a new root method. That's the current state of things as far as I know.
Yeah, people who jumped immediately and got replacements when 5.1 first came out in July (finally!) for the XT1254 could get 4.4.4 still on replacement Droid Turbos. But now by mid September... Seems like Verizon has caught up.
That's why I asked if your new replacement XT1254 shipped to you actually still had 4.4.4 (instead of stock 5.1) and you could flash another ROM.
There still may be 4.4.4 Droid Turbo phones out there in Verizon stores with older inventory. But those phones would be given to people who walk in and buy a new phone -- not to customers ordering a replacement phone, which are shipped from Verizon.
And those new phone buyers may not even realize what they have in their hands. First thing they would do is hit the update button.
All that being said though, if you ever get a hold of a 4.4.4 Turbo, I'll send a stock + root + tethering rom your way.
So wait... there's a huge debate in threads talking about being apart of the soak test or even mentioning it exists.. which one side is boiled down to "breaking the manufacturer rules..." but you can literally post a topic about breaking a carrier's rules and i'ts all good? The world is a confusing, confusing place.
FYI, I got a 4.4.4 replacement device yesterday straight from Motorola. Might be worth a shot if you ever need another replacement. My Verizon one also had 5.1. Kind of funny that the manufacturer had the old firmware and Verizon had the latest. I figured Verizon would do everything in their power to revert it to Gingerbread or something
-Collin-
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So wait... there's a huge debate in threads talking about being apart of the soak test or even mentioning it exists.. which one side is boiled down to "breaking the manufacturer rules..." but you can literally post a topic about breaking a carrier's rules and i'ts all good? The world is a confusing, confusing place.
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There was that debate here which was hilariously ridiculous, when the head of Motorola software even mentioned the 5.1 soak tests in his blog. Some guy who claims to be a rep for Motorola -- named Moto Mark or something -- was laughed away after that. Basically his boss can shout it from the rooftops to the world, but users can't? Ha.
This is so weak! First time I bought an unlocked variant Samsung phone and guess what AT&T updated before the phone I bought unlocked directly from Samsung USA. Wtf?
i am mad because i was on ATO 7.1 went onto 8.0 XEF and i waited around 2 weeks, still my f*ckin RMM state is prenormal. I CANT F*CKING UNLOCK OEM. now im back to ATO 7.1 firmware and have to wait MORE TO GET THIS S*ITTY RMM!! cant even downgrade the bootloader.
Cool down, getting so pissed will not solve anything...
Some who received Oreo are complaining about poor battery life, so careful what you wish for.
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Some who received Oreo are complaining about poor battery life, so careful what you wish for.
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This is why I'm not on the beta. I get great battery life on 7.1 and so so on 8.0. I suspect it's because it's the bloated carrier version and not the unlocked. So to answer the OP I say I'm disappointed rather than mad.
Less than 3 weeks and it'll be available. I have Tmobile Note that I flashed unlocked firmware to it. Really it works near perfect...but still I always want the newest. Almost flashed back to carrier firmware but I'll just wait
Nope, not me. Official Oreo has been out for my F but I did not upgrade as soon as it came out. I have flashed Oreo on my phone & played with it a bit but as I knew from seeing all the early Oreo reviews nothing special. I'm back on Nougat now, too many imcompatibilities & things I don't like for now. Hopefully we get 8.1.1 but I don't care if we don't.
It's disappointing, Sprint and Verizon are getting theirs today (3/30/2018), yet Samsung has yet to release theirs for unlocked users.
Soon grasshopper soon.
Just enjoy your Nougat while you can!
It just doesn't make any sense. Why would a carrier bloated firmware be pushed before a non one? We really should not have to wait a year for an operating system, proud. Great job Samsung!
YES.
PS: This would have been a perfect thread for a poll. :good:
Not too long ago on Sammobile.com, an explanation was reported that unlocked devices needed to be tested to work correctly for all networks, while the branded needed only testing for the dedicated carrier...
I don't really buy that story, but I am not 100% sure.
Anyway, I don't expect the pleasure in using my phone will change notably after receipt of Oreo, so I don't really care when it arrives...
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It just doesn't make any sense. Why would a carrier bloated firmware be pushed before a non one? We really should not have to wait a year for an operating system, proud. Great job Samsung!
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Because carriers ones have more slave users than unlocked ones. If there is no update on carrier simply the users could change their phones for another brand into their own cellphones plans (contacts). But if you have an unlocked one you can't protest; better do it by your self. I was on 7.1.1 with the August firmware until few days ago when i decided to flash throw Odin and now I'm happy with all oreo stuff and excellent battery life. Also I didn't have OEM stuff so I just flashed the same csc and that's all.
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Not too long ago on Sammobile.com, an explanation was reported that unlocked devices needed to be tested to work correctly for all networks, while the branded needed only testing for the dedicated carrier...
I don't really buy that story, but I am not 100% sure.
Anyway, I don't expect the pleasure in using my phone will change notably after receipt of Oreo, so I don't really care when it arrives...
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Yes you're on the right track...I read that they need to approve it or something along those lines too. People think unlocked firmware gets updated first, but in reality it basically gets updated towards the end, if not last.
sefrcoko said:
Yes you're on the right track...I read that they need to approve it or something along those lines too. People think unlocked firmware gets updated first, but in reality it basically gets updated towards the end, if not last.
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But that isn't historically accurate. I believe what has changed is that now Samsung has made their US unlocked phones compatible with all Networks firmware and bloat. Where as before the unlocked phones from years prior were not. I think I am beginning to understand now. Thanks!
whmgreen said:
But that isn't historically accurate. I believe what has changed is that now Samsung has made their US unlocked phones compatible with all Networks firmware and bloat. Where as before the unlocked phones from years prior were not. I think I am beginning to understand now. Thanks!
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Ah that makes more sense... Thank you
Real incentive to buy Samsung's flagship model directly from Samsung unlocked and the go straight to the back of the queue for updates and receive them 6 months later.
I certainly won't be doing that again.
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Real incentive to buy Samsung's flagship model directly from Samsung unlocked and the go straight to the back of the queue for updates and receive them 6 months later.
I certainly won't be doing that again.
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Assuming project treble is part of future Notes, it may not really be a problem after the Note 8.
I'm pretty sure the carriers had something to do with the delay. My first unlocked device , and I am not alone. I think alot of folks went unlocked this time around , and the carriers don't like that. Although I am curious for Oreo , my note runs great now, so in a way I couldn't care less if they released it. Just that techy part of me that wants the latest and greatest.
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