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questions about camera and display

Hi all, I am awaiting for european version of Droid 4 (Milestone 4) that i think it will have same hardware as droid 4.
I read some reviews of droid 4 and in almost reviews told that camera and display aren't so good.
I want to know your opinions about camera. I'm not a very exquisite for camera requisites, but i'm very annoying when i have a camera like Desire Z because i have to be very very quiet and don't move the phone when i'm taking a picture. Dou you have this problem when take a picture with Droid 4?
Some reviews said that display aren't for gamers because is very large or i don't remember why... and display isn't very impressive. Do you have problems in games? What could you tell me about display?
Would you want tell me another opinion about your Droid 4?
Thanks in advance.

i dont have an issue with either of them...
i dont expect much from the camera, so it takes good enough pictures (see thumbnail below)
the screen is fine by me.. its a little bit smaller than the Droid X i came from, but having the physical keyboard more than makes up for it

I actually have a Desire Z and 4 inches of display are good for me but i don't understand why is not a gamers display.
greekchampion, could you tell me if the camera has a retard when takes photo? is importante for me because is the one that annoying me on Desire Z camera. If I want to take a picture to my cat, cat's head is always moved on the picture.

the camera does have a bit of a delay (sorry for the english lesson, but retard has some negative connotations with it and usually is not used in the way you used it) so yeah that is annoying.. but i dont know if that is the actual camera, or the software.
i dont use the camera much, so i have not looked into it, but have you tried getting a third-party camera app from the market?

I believe reviews have cited ghosting issues as a reason for the Droid 4 not being ideal for gaming. From what I can tell, it seems to be the same display that is on the Droid 3.

Camera delay is sort of inevitable. It has to do with processing the image captured. Somehow the Galaxy Nexus gets around the delay. Maybe its an ICS software thing?
The Droid 4 has a much less noticeable delay than my old Incredible had. But it's still there. I've had much better luck getting pictures of my 1 and a half year old daughter (much like your cat) with the D4 than I did with my Incredible, it's still easy to muck up a picture though. Its the downside to all digital cameras unfortunately. Well, except for the expensive ones.
The screen;s adequate. I havent (and generally dont) played any twitchy games on my D4 that a fast refresh rate would be necesary. It's fine for Angry Brids.
I have noticed that in direct sunlight the screen gets a little crazy.. Like it's registering a touch.. Weird.

[Q] MotoX Camera Focus Issues

Anyone else have issues with the camera's ability to focus? I'm not talking about some of the other issues regarding low light performance, or color casts, just straight up is the picture in focus. Since getting the phone a couple months ago I hadn't taken many pics at all and they were always under low light and of stuff I just wanted to remember vs taking a picture to look at so I didn't pay any attention to the quality as most were deleted soon after.
This past weekend I was outside and noticed I could not get an in focus picture no matter what. Daytime outdoor lighting was plenty good to get a high enough shutter speed to avoid blur and I don't have shaky hands. I took a few pics to compare it with a Samsung Galaxy S2 (wife's phone). All pics were taken around the same time, the lens was definately clean and I used the same app on both phones for two of the pics. I took an extra with the stock camera app on the moto x as well. If you check out the set you can easily see the blurring on the windows on the houses across the street. And the close garden fence you can't even see the chicken wire which is totally sharp in the GS2 pic.
Pics are here: http://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]/sets/72157641535964283
It looks like I may have a hardware issue. Before I try to send it back anything else to try? Its running 4.4.2 now after starting with 4.2.2, OTA almost right out of the box to 4.4 and recently to 4.4.2. Its the XT1053, GSM Dev Edition. I'm definitely out of the return period since it was bought end of November (at full price too) so it would have to be a warranty repair I'm guessing. Is it possible to get a replacement sent in advance or is the only option to send it in, wait, and be without my phone for probably 2+ weeks?

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Anyone else have issues with the camera's ability to focus?......
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I can confirm that the focus on the camera is not up to par. Did you use the manual focus setting? Also how steady are your hands?
I get blurry pictures too, I suspect that there was a trade off in the camera. really good resolution/sensor but no digital or optical stabilization feature what so ever. My prediction is based on the fact that those blurry pictures you posted look like the ones on my galaxy S 2 when the stabilization feature is off.
Also any little shakes give my moto x camera some blur which is why I suspect the stabilization is not present or is poorly functioning.
Please if anyone else is having this issue, you don't have to explain but post that you have the issue, android version, model number and if your camera software is up to date! Maybe Motorola will take notice of this thread and offer a really good camera fix in the next update!
p.s. the shutter speed is pretty slow too... comparable to my old galaxy s2 skyrocket
OS: 4.4.2
Model: XT 1053 (T-mobile - Unlocked version) same as developer edition so give us the same warranty Motorola!!

My camera sucks too, I hate the autofocus of the moto x.
But besides that i love everything else.
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My hands were not shaking for any of the shots and I did use manual focus.
I added 2 more shots today.
One is a building by my work. The lighting was quite bright and thus the shutter speed was over 1/4000 a second. At that level the effect of minor shaking would be greatly diminished. I can usually hold a camera steady enough to avoid blur down to about 1/40 a second if I am careful so I know its not me.
By comparision I took another shot tonight, inside with much lower light conditions. Its a battery in my hand taken while I hold the phone with the other hand. Shutter speed 1/60 a second and the shot is clear. This shows I can indeed hold it steady enough so hand shake isn't a factor. It also shows that my camera is good with macro shots. but not much else.
I looked around for the reviews I used before purchase and have this one: http://www.anandtech.com/show/7235/moto-x-review/10
The shots shown there from the MotoX show it is capable of focusing fine, at distance, compared with other phones. It may have other issues with odd colors and patterns, but the focus is solid enough.
Based on the review shots and the shots I've posted I do not think the Moto X is simply incapable of focusing as clearly it was able to focus for the review. It looks like my phone may have a defective camera module or somehow be stuck in some kind of macro mode.
Anyone know if I can get an advance replacement or something vs just sending it back and waiting?

In case anyone wonders what happened when I finally did try to get help from Moto the experience is not pleasant. I did wait a bit(still well within warranty and I don't want to be without my phone). I called them on 4/5. 2 calls later, one email though their website and a live chat tonight and I still have not gotten the promised email with return instructions and shipping label.
So, at least if you have a Dev Edition it seems Moto may be unable or unwilling to help you in any reasonable time.
I'll update this when the saga concludes. One initially happy customer getting decidedly less happy.

glimmer00 said:
I'll update this when the saga concludes.
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Sorry for the thread necro, but what happened? Did you get your original phone back, or a replacement?
I have the same problem currently with a Droid Mini, the camera was working fine but one day I noticed the auto-focus was unresponsive. Tried the software solutions but it's no good... No warranty, so I've ordered a replacement camera module and hopefully that will resolve it (bad pun).

How well does the G4 camera handle "Motion Blur"?

All the review sites say the stills are great with good lighting... how well do the stills handle "motion blur"?
Samsung Note 4 got heaps of praise all over the place for its camera with stills but nobody ever said "hey, all the pictures of your toddler will be blurs because the camera is terrible capturing motion with indoors low light conditions."
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You honestly can't get a better camera on a device. It is fantastic in all conditions. It is only good though if you use the stock lg ROM since its camera app really makes the pictures great. If you use a ROM like cyanogenmod then you can't use the stock camera app so your photos won't be as good as they could be.

The camera is the best you can get In a phone right now. Its better than the s6 by a little. The 6p is also badass but the g4 and 6p have different areas of 'bad-ass-ness' that they insividually excel in. If you get a g4 you will become spoiled and will not ever be able to use ****ty cameras ever again.

Simple specific question and I get two generic fan-boy responses. I'll ask again: how well does the camera handle capturing still pictures of motion in low light indoors conditions?
And to get to the point, please don't waste time with the fan-boy posts.
Show me what you got with low light indoors motion.
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vprasad1 said:
Simple specific question and I get two generic fan-boy responses. I'll ask again: how well does the camera handle capturing still pictures of motion in low light indoors conditions?
And to get to the point, please don't waste time with the fan-boy posts.
Show me what you got with low light indoors motion.
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The absolute best camera on a phone is that found on the Nokia 808 and Lumia 1020. The camera on the G4 is probably the best of the Androids I have owned but it doesn't hold a candle to the aforementioned camera phones. In low light there is alot of noise (even with the OIS). If you would like a great low light camera or the best camera on a phone I would look up one of the earlier mentioned devices. The 1020 excels at low light (the 808 not as much due to the of OIS).

Is there Some kind of known Camera issue/hatred for op3t

Sending back my Nexus 6p to replace with op3t been wanting this phone for some time. Aside from asking many different questions my main thing would be the camera . Initially videos and blogs on the camera said it's in n par with a s7 or note 5 quality . But I'm hearing negative talk about the rear cam blur and clarity. Is there a known issue ? A camera mod or fix or is this just bias opinion. I guess I'll find out soon .
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androidddaaron said:
Sending back my Nexus 6p to replace with op3t been wanting this phone for some time. Aside from asking many different questions my main thing would be the camera . Initially videos and blogs on the camera said it's in n par with a s7 or note 5 quality . But I'm hearing negative talk about the rear cam blur and clarity. Is there a known issue ? A camera mod or fix or is this just bias opinion. I guess I'll find out soon .
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For me the camera it just fine , I mean I don't expect professional results it is a phone camera if I want better results go for a pro one
One a bright day the camera is perfect wonderful pics , but as light reduces the camera loss some quality and sharpness
I mean for 439 dlls it a good camera
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I love this phone and the latest. Oxygen OS update fixes alot of the camera issues witch were fine according to me but im not a camera guy. I got it for the processor and 6 gigs of ram and so far this thing has only impressed at ever corner you can't go wrong with this phone especially at this price point.

I'd say given good amount of lightning, the camera gets pretty decent performance. Once its in lowlight, it definitely has some catching up to do compared to devices like S7, 6p.

There is apparently an issue with the camera on OnePlus 3T where focus stops working. I have read multiple reports now and I am affected myself. Some say this is a hardware issue and some had their phones already fixed by OnePlus. Someone else said a software update fixed it for him so maybe there are multiple issues at work. But those are all defects where the camera stops working properly. Until this happened, the camera was fine and I couldn't complain about the quality at all.

Outdoor photos with any degree of sunlight are excellent. Indoors, with any amount of sun coming through windows also are great. Indoors, with artificial lighting is where it gets trickier. The lower the light, the longer it takes to auto focus; and if your subject is moving, the pics are more likely to blur. If you have some patience, and know how to take pictures, you can get decent results. And you may have to take several photos, knowing some will have blur.
The best example would be indoor pics of my young kids (which I take a lot) which can never stand still for long, even for a picture. But even with some decent amount of artificial light, and a bit of patience, I get some very good pics most of the time.
Another option on the OP3T, is you can change the camera to "manual" mode. This allows you to manually set the ISO, white balance (type of light), etc. This can get you faster focus and better results in lower light. But not everyone may want to take the time to manually tweak these settings.
I take a good amount of smartphone pics, and the camera is important to me. Overall, I'm pleased with the camera on the OP3T. But given, I'm coming from an older phone, the HTC M8 (which is going on 3 years old). On the other hand, the amount of effort it takes to get unblurred photos on the OP3T is not out of line with when I use my DSLR camera.
Maybe a phone like the Samsung GS7 can take more focused pictures, more consistently, and with less effort. And of course there is something to be said about that. But there is also a price. Most folks who criticize the camera on the OP3T are comparing it to flagships like the iPhone 7 or Samsung GS7 which cost almost twice as much (okay, the price of phones vary a lot over time and by region - but you see what I'm getting at). The OP3T simply can't compete as it lacks the fancy features such as dual camera, laser focus + phase detection etc. which all cost money. But what you have is a phone which competes with the current flagships on almost every level (processor, RAM, build quality) with just a bit of compromise on the camera, screen resolution, and waterproofing.

came from a 6p, have had trouble getting my camera to focus, but still love the phone

P20 Pro thinking of buying

Ok ever since Ive seen this phone I've been smitten with it., but the price has scared me off a bit...it does seem to have some down to a relatively reasonable price and its got me thinking again. The Camera is what intrigues me the most, as with most people I would assume.
Here is what gives me pause though...from a lot of accounts it doesn't do very well taking pictures of people and just about every real review Ive sen says the camera oversharpens a lot, in any situation. My dilemma is I take a lot of pictures of my kids, as a lot of people do, so crappy pictures of people is sort of a dealbreaker for a phone. The low light performance seems amazing and teh 3x zoom I could definitely get some use out of, but the beauty mode and sharpening is stopping me from buying this phone.
Are there any ROMs that can be flashed that addressed this? Is this something someone could find in the software of the phone and disable? VIA a rom again obviously because it cannot be disabled in stock form it appears.

I find with people oh and dogs it can be a a little slow I am thinking of jumping ship to the note 9 as that camera is lightening fast plus you can add a memory card
When you come to scenary I have to say wow
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I have to say however it's an amazing device it's fast and fluid operating system wise i have always used iPhones and am happy to have moved to android just wish camera person wise was more polished
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Yeah that's great, but as you probably know people and dogs rarely stand still..babies even worse. If it's a little slow that's a definitely no, I got a note 8 and even that is a bit slow at times and I miss the shot Im trying to get.
My other options are a p2xl or a Oneplus 6, or keep the Note 8 but the GF needs a new phone

loki993 said:
Yeah that's great, but as you probably know people and dogs rarely stand still..babies even worse. If it's a little slow that's a definitely no, I got a note 8 and even that is a bit slow at times and I miss the shot Im trying to get.
My other options are a p2xl or a Oneplus 6, or keep the Note 8 but the GF needs a new phone
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That's the problem people move and the AI modes say keep still even once shot
I played with the note 9 last night and it was lightening fast
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mancuk29 said:
I find with people oh and dogs it can be a a little slow I am thinking of jumping ship to the note 9 as that camera is lightening fast plus you can add a memory card
When you come to scenary I have to say wow
The attached pic is unedited
I have to say however it's an amazing device it's fast and fluid operating system wise i have always used iPhones and am happy to have moved to android just wish camera person wise was more polished
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Slow to focus or slow shutter speed? Anyway I don't find it slow by any means, one of the fastest to both focus and fire of a shot to be honest

I've found the rear cameras work really well - it is fast to focus, the night mode and B&W are really good. Turn off the AI as I think it's not very good. For just a point and shoot, I think the Pixel 2 will give you better results. If you are willing to put in a bit of work into your shots, I think the P20 Pro will give you excellent results. Now, if you are talking about the front camera, it is not very good (IMO). So, if you use the front camera quite a bit, I might suggest other options for you.
From what I hear, the video is not very good either (I don't shoot video, so I cannot comment first hand). I've read that the rear camera processing software was done by Leica and the front camera and video was done by Huawei - that may explain the difference in quality between those.
Overall, I find the hardware excellent but am not so fond of EMUI (esp. the memory management, notifications and AOD).

I take loads of photos of my kids, who never stop moving. Ever. Most of the time it takes amazing shots, but sometimes they're a bit blurry.
The over softening of faces has been reduced on recent updates, and if you're in portrait mode you can dial it down with a slider (it's called beauty level).
You'll struggle with ROMs now though - Huawei have stopped giving bootloader unlock codes. This means you won't be able to flash anything, and even if you could it has completely stifled development. Personally I wouldn't buy it now because of this (you also won't be able to root). But the photos really are incredible so if you can put up with stock software and no root then get it.

rajeshr said:
I've found the rear cameras work really well - it is fast to focus, the night mode and B&W are really good. Turn off the AI as I think it's not very good. For just a point and shoot, I think the Pixel 2 will give you better results. If you are willing to put in a bit of work into your shots, I think the P20 Pro will give you excellent results. Now, if you are talking about the front camera, it is not very good (IMO). So, if you use the front camera quite a bit, I might suggest other options for you.
From what I hear, the video is not very good either (I don't shoot video, so I cannot comment first hand). I've read that the rear camera processing software was done by Leica and the front camera and video was done by Huawei - that may explain the difference in quality between those.
Overall, I find the hardware excellent but am not so fond of EMUI (esp. the memory management, notifications and AOD).
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Yeah honestly I don't use a front camera a lot and even when I do the quality doesn't really matter all that much.
I do do a lot of point and shoot, the quick snap of a kid doing something . But I do like having the extra functionality if I really wanted to take the time to get a really good shot. That's just not always practical.
krs360 said:
I take loads of photos of my kids, who never stop moving. Ever. Most of the time it takes amazing shots, but sometimes they're a bit blurry.
The over softening of faces has been reduced on recent updates, and if you're in portrait mode you can dial it down with a slider (it's called beauty level).
You'll struggle with ROMs now though - Huawei have stopped giving bootloader unlock codes. This means you won't be able to flash anything, and even if you could it has completely stifled development. Personally I wouldn't buy it now because of this (you also won't be able to root). But the photos really are incredible so if you can put up with stock software and no root then get it.
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yeah, it seems that people were trying to get Huawei to allow people to unlock again. Eh may it would be better to just wait until that happens.

Ok so a few things.
The device as a non rooted device is as good as they come.
Design
Battery
Camera
Performance
Storage
System
Can't fault any of it.
My wife has the phone as stock and she loves it.
I have the phone with the bootloader unlocked, debranded and rooted and I love it.
I can do a lot more than my wife can with it due to the flexibility of being able to remove bloat and install things like lineage and mods like swap torpedo for speed.
Personally if I was unable to unlock the bootloader, there is no way I would contemplate buying this phone, not for its price or for it's hindered lack of unlocking options.
My advice, you cannot unlock the bootloader any more.
Pixel 2 XL It's just dropped by £100
OnePlus 6T when it arrives
Pixel 3 when it arrives.
Not this phone, unless you are going to never hope to root it.

No one of the things I would need would be to get rid of EMUI because people don't seem to like it and from what I hear I wouldn't like it either. I would by buying it with the intention of swapping something more stock ish on it, so if I can't do that its really a non starter.
I'm really looking at a 2xl probably from swappa there are a bunch of refurbs or buybacks on there for a pretty decent price and there is the 200 off deal from Fi too.
I am considering the 6, yeah the 6t will be out but not until November and even then what can they do to change it? wireless charging is almost a sure bet, but not sure what else. Maybe a bit of work on that notch but that doesn't bother me too much. My note 8 has wireless charging and I never use it, so I can do without that.
The 3XL was what I wanted originally but the more leaks I see of the phone the more I don't like it. Again I'm not a notch hater like some people seem to be but it is rather large on the 3xl it seems and with the chin on the bottom it makes the screen look oddly placed...aesthetic issues only though.
The big thing though is it looks like it's only going to have 4 gigs of ram and a battery that's not any larger than its predecessor and for a phone that's likely going to cost around a thousand dollars that's just not acceptable. Now if they come out and say we could only fit this battery and 4 gigs of ram in it because our sensor is bigger than the P20 pros, or something else crazy like that, they may have my attention, but until I hear something like that Im not so interested. Even then, Huawei managed to fit a 4k battery and 6 gigs of ram and 2 more cameras in their phone in addition to the big one...so even that would be a weak excuse, but I could settle for that.

Loving my pro. Coming from Samsung for over ten years, I really like emui. Very easy to use. Very customizable. Thumbs up from me.
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