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I have T-Mobile and am in US.... I really am interested in the Galaxy note and am wondering if it is compatible with T-Mobile's 3G/"4G"/HSPA+ network? I don't know what these frequency bands mean for compatibility ...
It will only work on EDGE speeds. It doesn't have the AWS frequency (1700, 2100) required for their 3G/4G network.
cadavar said:
It will only work on EDGE speeds. It doesn't have the AWS frequency (1700, 2100) required for their 3G/4G network.
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That is exactly the response I was looking for in terms of technicality goes.
Thank you very much!
interestingly, many sites point to the India specific version of the phone being a "penta band" UMTS phone. and as far as i know penta band means T-Mo AWS support no?
source.
http://www.knowledgebase-script.com/demo/article-1079.html
crazy talk said:
interestingly, many sites point to the India specific version of the phone being a "penta band" UMTS phone. and as far as i know penta band means T-Mo AWS support no?
source.
http://www.knowledgebase-script.com/demo/article-1079.html
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Hello all,
This is interesting. Is there anyways to confirm that Indian version will have "Penta" band?
I read that Note will launch in India on 3nd November. May be will have to wait to find out.
crazy talk said:
interestingly, many sites point to the India specific version of the phone being a "penta band" UMTS phone. and as far as i know penta band means T-Mo AWS support no?
source.
http://www.knowledgebase-script.com/demo/article-1079.html
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I'm having doubts about that article, SGSII was 34k when it was released in India. Galaxy Note has to top that.
Dragooon123 said:
I'm having doubts about that article, SGSII was 34k when it was released in India. Galaxy Note has to top that.
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i can't find anything to suggest any carrier in India uses the 1700/2100 bands needed for T-Mo (US) 3G to work anyway. so it must be about something else.
crazy talk said:
interestingly, many sites point to the India specific version of the phone being a "penta band" UMTS phone. and as far as i know penta band means T-Mo AWS support no?
source.
http://www.knowledgebase-script.com/demo/article-1079.html
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There are many bands for UTMS, and t-mobile USA is the only one that uses 1700.
Odds are, even if it is pentaband, it still won't support 1700. It might, but it's unlikely.
- Frank
Dragooon123 said:
I'm having doubts about that article, SGSII was 34k when it was released in India. Galaxy Note has to top that.
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what about the modem.bin from the galaxy s2 4g on the tmobile phone
I've been researching a bit and it seems that the files are about the same on these phones, so I don't see why it wouldn't work. That being said, I am in no way an expert, but I hope someone with more knowledge will chime in on this and give us a concrete answer.
getmouse said:
what about the modem.bin from the galaxy s2 4g on the tmobile phone
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phone frequency band is hardware specific. if the crystal is not tuned for the frequency, theres nothing you can do to make the phone to accept it
I guess I'll have to wait on the Galaxy Nexus then. Thanks for dropping that bit of knowledge on us.
torres351 said:
I guess I'll have to wait on the Galaxy Nexus then. Thanks for dropping that bit of knowledge on us.
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I think that for now is the best idea
I still want this and thinking hard about pulling the trigger and just buying. Has anybody bought this on tmobiles network yet.
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You will only get Edge speeds.
There is no need to confirm anything.
Hardware IS HARDWARE.
I would not consider getting T-Mobile's version of this for the sole fact that they'll mess it up by putting a pair of 1.8 ghz Qualcomm chip in there to support their 42mbps network.
It will be garbage once that happens.
At this point, you either accept it as being Edge only on T-Mobile's network, or you don't get it altogether.
Yeah I know it only works on edge but if a million iphone users are using it then it might be usable but I kinda want a real world test of the Internet and not just specs since that's the only thing that's holding me back
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torres351 said:
I guess I'll have to wait on the Galaxy Nexus then. Thanks for dropping that bit of knowledge on us.
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You could ditch T-Mob, or not worth it? I would leave my carrier for the Note.
I made an inquiry about the Note coming to T mobile directly to someone I know at Samsung. He did get back to me and said they have figured a way around the present problem with the present chip configuration and will come out with a version that will be 1700/2100 compatible. BUT, not soon (2012) and probably will be the next version of this type of 5" + smart phone ....... So it is edge only on TMO for now..............
By the time they actually get to bring something like that out the quad core chips will be out and other makers might bring out something similar hopefully.
Howdy all?
Currently I am using Dell Streak which actually was launched for AT&T. So I was only getting TMo's EDGE speed on my Streak. Which for me was not a big deal because I would only have to deal with slow speed while I am either away from home or work.
Some might find it silly, but what I did was, removed my data portion which was with the phone and actually got TMo's 4g hotspot. And I carried both, my Streak and hotspot always with me. Which for me works out alright.
Hi there...
I own a ATT MotoX and a Brazilian Vivo MotoX.
Supposedly they are the same model XT1058, but ATT and US Motorola and i think everywhere else (even so at iFixit teardown) is written that the American Moto X supports bands 2,4,5, and 17. Where the Brazilian MotoX works also with Band 7 (2600mhz... that is used in EU and South America).
I've been trying for sometime to test the ATT one with brazilian LTE, but was unsuccesful, until today when I flashed the 4.4 leaked from ATT on BOTH devices. And BOTH have LTE band 7 now.
Weird.
But Cool!
=)
I'm writing here only because i couldn't find ANY information about REAL usage of band 7 on ATT MotoX.
So anyone flying to europe or brazil, with the motoX (except T-mobile) will get coverage.
Very interesting information. Rogers Canada sells an XT1058 and they list that the phone supports band 7 LTE (2600 mhz). Rogers does use band 7 so it would make sense but the FCC(US) and IC(Canada) regulatory bodies do not list any 2600 mhz support for the XT1058. And as you mentioned the iFixit tear down shows no hardware for 2600 Mhz.
How are you able to verify 100% for certain they are using 2600 Mhz? I am assuming your provider has LTE only on 2600 Mhz?
Exactly.
And here is proof.
Vivo Brazil only works with Band 7 - 2600mhz
The weird thing is as I said before... It only started working after the 4.4 leak.
Maybe it was the modem image.
Maybe it was a problem with my LTE signal before. But to be sure, someone should try flashing the brazilian jellybean modem on a att/rogers phone.
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fvc2000 said:
Exactly.
And here is proof.
Vivo Brazil only works with Band 7 - 2600mhz
The weird thing is as I said before... It only started working after the 4.4 leak.
Maybe it was the modem image.
Maybe it was a problem with my LTE signal before. But to be sure, someone should try flashing the brazilian jellybean modem on a att/rogers phone.
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Hi this is very interesting and important information for me especially who was looking to buy Moto X with custom back and front and that can work with the LTE Band 7 Network Provider s (e.g. Vodafone UK). Because only Roger or Brazil ones support the Band 7 but they are not customisable through Moto maker so it was a kind of disheartening me, but your experiment has certainly raised a joy and excitement and looks like dreams comes true to me. Could you please confirm if this is still the case then I can go ahead and buy the Motox from AT&T?
If possible could you provide me with the link to download the information /guide required to unlock and load the custom rom (link for that as well please) on the device, I guess i would need to add super user and , unlock the boot loader etc?
waiting eagerly for your reply and thanks in advace
idonxda said:
Hi this is very interesting and important information for me especially who was looking to buy Moto X with custom back and front and that can work with the LTE Band 7 Network Provider s (e.g. Vodafone UK). Because only Roger or Brazil ones support the Band 7 but they are not customisable through Moto maker so it was a kind of disheartening me, but your experiment has certainly raised a joy and excitement and looks like dreams comes true to me. Could you please confirm if this is still the case then I can go ahead and buy the Motox from AT&T?
If possible could you provide me with the link to download the information /guide required to unlock and load the custom rom (link for that as well please) on the device, I guess i would need to add super user and , unlock the boot loader etc?
waiting eagerly for your reply and thanks in advace
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You can't unlock the bootloader on an AT&T Moto X, it is not the one you want to buy.
idonxda said:
Hi this is very interesting and important information for me especially who was looking to buy Moto X with custom back and front and that can work with the LTE Band 7 Network Provider s (e.g. Vodafone UK). Because only Roger or Brazil ones support the Band 7 but they are not customisable through Moto maker so it was a kind of disheartening me, but your experiment has certainly raised a joy and excitement and looks like dreams comes true to me. Could you please confirm if this is still the case then I can go ahead and buy the Motox from AT&T?
If possible could you provide me with the link to download the information /guide required to unlock and load the custom rom (link for that as well please) on the device, I guess i would need to add super user and , unlock the boot loader etc?
waiting eagerly for your reply and thanks in advace
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You can't unlock the bootloader on an AT&T Moto X, it is not the one you want to buy.
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Yes... you can't unlock the bootloader on the ATT MotoX...
But you don't need to.
My wife is using right now the ATT MotoX in Brazil with working LTE Band 7.
I'm not entirely sure if on Jellybean, as it comes from factory, it WOULD work with Band 7. But, since I've been testing it, from the "camera OTA" to kitkat, it does work. Without custom rom.
You will only need to SIM unlock it.
And that's pretty easy.
The only thing from MY experience is that the baseband/modem from the ATT drains more battery than the one from VIVO (brazilian operator).
Maybe because the VIVO one, has the modem optimized for the Band 7.
4.2.2 had band 7 disabled. There is no guarantee a future update won't disable it again, keep that in mind. The phone is not certified for band 7 use in the US. Hopefully what they did was enable for use when outside of the US. If you have a phone with an unlockable bootloader such as a Rogers phone you can always ensure it will be enabled and install firmware with no bloatware at all and have no branding on the outside of the phone.
So there are many options, guess its just best to know the positives/negatives of each.
fvc2000 said:
Yes... you can't unlock the bootloader on the ATT MotoX...
But you don't need to.
My wife is using right now the ATT MotoX in Brazil with working LTE Band 7.
I'm not entirely sure if on Jellybean, as it comes from factory, it WOULD work with Band 7. But, since I've been testing it, from the "camera OTA" to kitkat, it does work. Without custom rom.
You will only need to SIM unlock it.
And that's pretty easy.
The only thing from MY experience is that the baseband/modem from the ATT drains more battery than the one from VIVO (brazilian operator).
Maybe because the VIVO one, has the modem optimized for the Band 7.
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ok thanks,me little confused, so if I buy MOTOX on AT&t by using the Moomaker and use it in UK (do i need it tosim unlock?) then I will be able to use the Band 7 in UK, but the phone should have installed the 4.4 kitkat ? so can i upgrade the jellybean which will com as a pre-installed to 4.4 leaked kitkat withoutout unlockng rthe boot loader?
Thanks in advance
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4.2.2 had band 7 disabled. There is no guarantee a future update won't disable it again, keep that in mind. The phone is not certified for band 7 use in the US. Hopefully what they did was enable for use when outside of the US. If you have a phone with an unlockable bootloader such as a Rogers phone you can always ensure it will be enabled and install firmware with no bloatware at all and have no branding on the outside of the phone.
So there are many options, guess its just best to know the positives/negatives of each.
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JB 4.2.2 factory default may not support Band 7 @ ATT, but JB 4.2.2 with camera OTA does.
And that is still 4.2.2
I can confirm because I used it for a while, before att kitkat official build.
But yes, you are right. ATT may disable Band 7 again in a future update. And with locked boot loader, there will be nothing to do about it.
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ok thanks,me little confused, so if I buy MOTOX on AT&t by using the Moomaker and use it in UK (do i need it tosim unlock?) then I will be able to use the Band 7 in UK, but the phone should have installed the 4.4 kitkat ? so can i upgrade the jellybean which will com as a pre-installed to 4.4 leaked kitkat withoutout unlockng rthe boot loader?
Thanks in advance
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The upgrade with come OTA automatically. And even if it doesnt , you can manually flash the update with the Official files from Motorola.
But you will need a SIM unlock code to make it work with you mobile operator in UK.
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I can confirm XT1058 Brazilian Firmware has Band 7.
I'm from Brazil and the only Band we use here for LTE, for all carriers, is Band 7.
MaKTaiL said:
I can confirm XT1058 Brazilian Firmware has Band 7.
I'm from Brazil and the only Band we use here for LTE, for all carriers, is Band 7.
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Thanks but can you install brazil firmware on motx on AT&T to enqble band 7 on this as well?
fvc2000 said:
JB 4.2.2 factory default may not support Band 7 @ ATT, but JB 4.2.2 with camera OTA does.
And that is still 4.2.2
I can confirm because I used it for a while, before att kitkat official build.
But yes, you are right. ATT may disable Band 7 again in a future update. And with locked boot loader, there will be nothing to do about it.
The upgrade with come OTA automatically. And even if it doesnt , you can manually flash the update with the Official files from Motorola.
But you will need a SIM unlock code to make it work with you mobile operator in UK.
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Do you know maybe, has ATT 4.4 enabled band 7 LTE (2600MHz) as well?Thanks.
piskr said:
Do you know maybe, has ATT 4.4 enabled band 7 LTE (2600MHz) as well?Thanks.
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Well not directly answering your question, but i'm on an ATT Motomaker version with 4.4 and here in Hong Kong I do get LTE coverage (HK has 1800MHz and 2600MHz). Fairly sure the X doesn't have 1800MHz so this should mean that that phone has 2600Mhz active on 4.4.
Exactly. ATT has band 7 working on kitkat.
We are just warning that ATT may remove it someday.
I think (my opinion) that is safe to go with it.
But again, you won't be able to flash Brazilian or Canadian radio on it if they remove support. Because the boot loader is locked.
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Small update of bands due to European model appearance
Moto x t-mobile us in uk network
i bought an t-mobile version of moto x and using it here in UK with vodafone. The top right icon shows 4G so not sure if that means that it is using LTE? The vodafone LTE only works on 2600 and 800 mhtz but if you look at the spcs of t-mobile version its no way matches, slightly confused. Looks like that after 4.4 kitkat motox supports all LTE bands, i know it sound stupid but here on this forum we can see that it is case for moto x at&t and then t-mobile(mine). Any expert views?
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i bought an t-mobile version of moto x and using it here in UK with vodafone. The top right icon shows 4G so not sure if that means that it is using LTE? The vodafone LTE only works on 2600 and 800 mhtz but if you look at the spcs of t-mobile version its no way matches, slightly confused. Looks like that after 4.4 kitkat motox supports all LTE bands, i know it sound stupid but here on this forum we can see that it is case for moto x at&t and then t-mobile(mine). Any expert views?
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Isn't 4G used for HSPA+ in the US? That might be an explanation. You can check under Settings -> about phone -> status which connection is used.
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Isn't 4G used for HSPA+ in the US? That might be an explanation. You can check under Settings -> about phone -> status which connection is used.
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4G on a US Moto X is just HSDPA+. The T-Mobile version doesn't come with band 7.
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4G on a US Moto X is just HSDPA+. The T-Mobile version doesn't come with band 7.
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Great, things like getting little clearer so if it does not have babd 7 then why does it show 4G on the top right corner i mean for example depending on the signal type available in a particular area the icon should also change e.g. 3G, H, E, G etc? And the wird thing is it shows hsdpa+ in the 'about phone' section despite the 4G icon display in status bar, am i missing something here?
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Great, things like getting little clearer so if it does not have babd 7 then why does it show 4G on the top right corner i mean for example depending on the signal type available in a particular area the icon should also change e.g. 3G, H, E, G etc? And the wird thing is it shows hsdpa+ in the 'about phone' section despite the 4G icon display in status bar, am i missing something here?
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It is a US Moto X. In the US they have the phone show 4G when using HSPA and 4Glte when it is connected via LTE.(They don't care what 4G is supposed to mean, they want everyone to think they are connected at a very high speed)
I just want to make something really sure before i order it ,to start it of with my question i woudl like to know whether it will work with the Sim card (network carrier in where i live) i am from the Middle East,
and our carrier here has that GSM service thingie xD sorry for being so noobish.
i want to get the Nexus 6 over the new Moto x Pure mainly because of how much dev. support and how many Roms are already out for the Nexus 6.
what is the difference between the so called international version ?
anyway if i buy it from here http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00R1984DI?gwSec=1&redirect=true&ref_=s9_simh_gw_p107_d0_i1
will that be working with the sim cards from where i live ?
thanks in advance!
leondestiny said:
I just want to make something really sure before i order it ,to start it of with my question i woudl like to know whether it will work with the Sim card (network carrier in where i live) i am from the Middle East,
and our carrier here has that GSM service thingie xD sorry for being so noobish.
i want to get the Nexus 6 over the new Moto x Pure mainly because of how much dev. support and how many Roms are already out for the Nexus 6.
what is the difference between the so called international version ?
anyway if i buy it from here http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00R1984DI?gwSec=1&redirect=true&ref_=s9_simh_gw_p107_d0_i1
will that be working with the sim cards from where i live ?
thanks in advance!
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The difference will be in the LTE bands. If you have LTE where you live in the middle east then the one you linked, which is the US model, likely won't get LTE there. It should work fine on H, H+, GPRS and Edge though.
BladeRunner said:
The difference will be in the LTE bands. If you have LTE where you live in the middle east then the one you linked, which is the US model, likely won't get LTE there. It should work fine on H, H+, GPRS and Edge though.
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awesome yes we have that H and H+ thing , i see it when i connect to the network, so i guess it will work with my sim card .
thanks for the feedback!
Hello to you all,
I am very concerned because I bought a Z3 Compact D5833 (i'm in Brazil for work) and will be back soon to France. The LTE bands are different in the two locations, that's why Europe has the D5803 version. I was hoping that someone else also ran into this problem and found a solution? Returning the phone is impossible for me now because I've been using it for quite long here
My provider in France is Free which has 2600Mhz in common with my model.... does someone know whether or not it can work? I read online about people who couldn't get their phone to have 4G, even some people didn't have any internet. But that makes no sense because all 3G bands are supported so I'm feeling lost... I am not enjoying the wait until my return and I'd like to know what I should expect there. A massive thanks for all help :good:
7 (2600) should work.
Take a look at this: http://forum.xda-developers.com/cro...ad-progress-please-leave-im-updating-t2871269
and this: http://forum.xda-developers.com/z3-compact/general/guide-unlock-z3c-international-bands-t3091344
But, I haven't seen anyone with Z3 or Z3C successfully unlocking the bands here at XDA.
They went through the procedure and it showed the bands as unlocked, but nobody could actually use them.
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7 (2600) should work.
Take a look at this: http://forum.xda-developers.com/cro...ad-progress-please-leave-im-updating-t2871269
and this: http://forum.xda-developers.com/z3-compact/general/guide-unlock-z3c-international-bands-t3091344
But, I haven't seen anyone with Z3 or Z3C successfully unlocking the bands here at XDA.
They went through the procedure and it showed the bands as unlocked, but nobody could actually use them.
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Thanks! I will keep all of this of the side, and let everyone know how the phone performs when back in France... Let's see...
Hey, soooo it's a no, it doesn't take 4G. 3G and H+ work like a charm and I'm keeping that phone because I love it so if anyone finds a way to actually get other frequencies to work, i'm interested. Thanks!
I now have LTE in France with a D5833. I don't know if it's me or the network that changed. My provider is Free. It's been a month I had only 3G and H+, it's been a week I had problems, and today, boom, LTE after restarting my phone... I am trying to figure out what changed. I'm sure other people have problems in France with the D5833 so I'll work out what was the cause!
ive been looking everywhere and im not 100% on this BUT will this model work on at&t? lte and everything? might trtade my unlocked note 9 for one
It will work on at&t but you might miss out on some network features like carrier aggregation which gives you faster download speeds. But other than that it would work fine on at&t.
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ive been looking everywhere and im not 100% on this BUT will this model work on at&t? lte and everything? might trtade my unlocked note 9 for one
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Works fine. You're not going to have wifi calling, and there's a band or two we're don't have on the phone they ATT uses.
I have been using a 960f/ds on AT&T for a week or two now.
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Works fine. You're not going to have wifi calling, and there's a band or two we're don't have on the phone they ATT uses.
I have been using a 960f/ds on AT&T for a week or two now.
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You run into any problems with it? Decent data speeds? I have at&t prepaid so I dont get wifi calling anyways lol
blane3298 said:
ive been looking everywhere and im not 100% on this BUT will this model work on at&t? lte and everything? might trtade my unlocked note 9 for one
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It will work but you will miss lots of AT&T Features and a few bands are missing, Also no wifi calling thats one of the features there's more features that wont work can't remember now, So if you care about your AT&T Features then it's really not worth getting theses International Phones, Also the Network is Slower Than the one Snapdragon AT&T Has on there phone, Cause of the Bands Missing.
I on att on 960F/DS. Works fine. Speed is the same where I am compared to my att note 8 but that could be because if where I am. If I'm missing a couple of options it's worth it for the flexibility. No issues.