I don't remember this happening on my G watch, but on the Urbane when the watch goes into dim mode it fades to black then back to dim. I would prefer it just fades from bright to dim with no black. I thought this was a Watchmaker issue at first, but same thing happens on several builtin watch faces too. Its distracting as I move my arm around for it to go from bright to black to dim. bright to dim would be much better. I have always-on screen set. Android Wear 6.0.1
When I lift my wrist to check the time, the dim to bright transition isn't bad, but a couple seconds later it fades to black then to dim.
Is there some setting for this or workaround??? Setting for the time watch stays bright?
Thanks!
Not sure if what you describe is my same beef but every time I turn my wrists it flashes, which is annoying. I too thought this was a Watchmaker issue at first, but I also see it in some built-in faces. I have dim/bright, then black then bright. My Huwaei did not have this issue. This may be a deal breaker.
I too was kind of annoyed by this but realized it does have some value to it. Most ambient watch faces have a lot less elements being shown on the display in addition to colors fading out, etc. That's how the stock designs work, so that's how I set custom faces to act as well - hoping to prevent any sort of screen burn issues.
Anyway, if the watch were to go from bright to dim without going full dark, the elements of the interactive display mode would immediately vanish and the screen would abruptly change to the much more basic look. This would be a strange and jarring thing to see in my opinion... with the display going full dark, the basic screen fades in and you don't notice the extra interactive screen elements just abruptly disappearing. Now, the BEST way to handle this would be to have those extra screen elements fade out when the watch dims without it going fully dark. This may have been possible for LG to do with the stock watch faces, but I don't see custom faces accommodating that kind of feature unless there was some sort of universal code that could be applied to those specific elements to fade out completely while leaving the basic elements on.
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I too was kind of annoyed by this but realized it does have some value to it. Most ambient watch faces have a lot less elements being shown on the display in addition to colors fading out, etc. That's how the stock designs work, so that's how I set custom faces to act as well - hoping to prevent any sort of screen burn issues.
Anyway, if the watch were to go from bright to dim without going full dark, the elements of the interactive display mode would immediately vanish and the screen would abruptly change to the much more basic look. This would be a strange and jarring thing to see in my opinion... with the display going full dark, the basic screen fades in and you don't notice the extra interactive screen elements just abruptly disappearing. Now, the BEST way to handle this would be to have those extra screen elements fade out when the watch dims without it going fully dark. This may have been possible for LG to do with the stock watch faces, but I don't see custom faces accommodating that kind of feature unless there was some sort of universal code that could be applied to those specific elements to fade out completely while leaving the basic elements on.
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"Anyway, if the watch were to go from bright to dim without going full dark, the elements of the interactive display mode would immediately vanish and the screen would abruptly change to the much more basic look" Except this is not what happens with the Huwaei watch using the same faces. Also, many wathmaker faces have no real "dim" face so it goes full face, black full face.
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I just got the amazing lg g watch r. Very satisfied with it. I am just trying some watch faces and i found this great one for example:
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=net.ddroid.aw.watchface.rf03
Very happy with it but I wonder....
How real is the danger for screen burn ins? This watch face has for example a green background in ambient mode. I keep the brightness as low as possible, but still readable (great thing of this watchface is that you can set the brightness of ambient and active mode as low or as high as you want) but still the oled screen will always be green..
Is this healthy for this kind of screen? Of course I can turn off the green background and have it black and white in ambient mode, but I like the effect of the screen being dimmed and going to brighter green when twisting my wrist.
But I don't want the screen to go to waste already after a while... anybody have a theory?
What is ambient mode? people keep mentioning it. This watch has no light sensor.
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What is ambient mode? people keep mentioning it. This watch has no light sensor.
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I mean the standby mode with dimmed screen. Not screen off.....
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If you want to use the "always on" feature w/o worries, green is the colour you want.
Greem OLED compund has 3 chracteristics that makes it the best choice:
- most visible light from the whole spectrum (for the human eye, that is): this mean you need a very low brighness level in order to see it (power and burn-in safe)
- the most power efficient sub-pixel (1.5 times as economic as red and 2.5 to 3 times ore econmic than blue).
- the most resilient (lowest degradation over time, twice compared to red and 4 times compared to blue).
So, if you like always-on display and you wnat the most out of your watch, green is the choice for AMOLED screens.
**** note: the numbers above are a synthesis from specialised web-sites as well as from my own measurements with OLED screens (Samsung models at least). ****
well, green is the "best" color to display on OLED screens - but black (=pixels are off) would be way better regarding burn-in and battery
It seems that the watchface you linked has a black mode with green font as well - use that one in ambient mode and you should be good
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well, green is the "best" color to display on OLED screens - but black (=pixels are off) would be way better regarding burn-in and battery
It seems that the watchface you linked has a black mode with green font as well - use that one in ambient mode and you should be good
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Yeah, this seems the safest option to me too. But the effect is not as nice of course when the screen becomes active. Colors get inverted when the screens goes bright. The effect is cooler when the dimmed green background goes bright, like you turn on the backlight
But I'll stick with the safe option for now, I just don't trust it
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I thought blue was the easiest to see, hence its used on police cars and ambulances.
Bring up Google now and ask this: "OK Google, what is the most visible colour to the human eye?"
See what it will answer and post here
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Bring up Google now and ask this: "OK Google, what is the most visible colour to the human eye?"
See what it will answer and post here
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Yellow
I was actually curious to see if anyone will search ... GJ.
What is yellow made of in RGB world (AMOLED is RGB)? : RED + GREEN.
What is closer to yellow (in terms of wavelenght), red or green? : GREEN ...
That why, the most visible pure colour of the RGB matrix is green ... which happens to be the most economical one to use. Double win
Sure would be nice if it had a proximity sensor, so it could turn off the screen when inside my sleeve. I figure that would pretty much solve the problem for me.
That would definitely be a plus ... but the question is: where to place such a sensor w/o breaking the design? Moto 360 solution is not on everyone's liking.
glenner05 said:
I just got the amazing lg g watch r. Very satisfied with it. I am just trying some watch faces and i found this great one for example:
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=net.ddroid.aw.watchface.rf03
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I was liking this watch face, till I purchased and realized it has everything except the "current" temperature...
Where does gray fall on the color burn in scale?
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Hello, I'm going crazy trying to figure this out. I just got a g watch r and the screen is amazing. But no matter which watch face I use, when it goes into ambient mode, the colour of the features ie/ numbers, minute/hour hands etc turn this gold colour. So for example, I have made a watch face using pujie black and want the normal screen and the ambient screen to be the same colour, just dimmer when in ambient mode, but every time it switches to ambient mode, the colours of the watch features turn gold. Its actually a really nice effect having that gold look but I just cant seem to find out how to alter this if possible, or find any information about it. It happens with all the stock watch faces as well.
I hope someone and help me out with this!
I sincerely appreciate your help.
Cheers.
Photo ?
I've tried to take a photo but it just doesn't turn out. Basically the white is off, sort of a bronze / brown / yellowish tint.
I don't have that "feature", did you try factory reset? If not try to install another ROM and see if it helps.
Hi everyone, as you should know the Asus Zenwatch 3 has an AMOLED display. From my understanding this should mean when displaying the colour black, the pixels should be turned off completely (like on my S7 Edge).
I was looking at my watch in a pitch black room with an ambient watch face displaying a black background and it appeared slightly reddish. Compared with my LG G Watch R sporting the exact same watch face it was clear the LG had the black pixels turned off but not on my Zenwatch 3.
I've attached a couple of pictures taken with my phone of the Zenwatch 3 in a pitch black room, one with normal shutter speed and the other with a 2 second shutter speed. Evidently the 2 second shutter speed shows that the display is in fact not turning off the pixels. The pics were taken when the watch was charging and in ambient mode with a watch face set to true black only.
Can anyone else confirm that this is the case and maybe a reason why? I'm worried that battery life may be affected by this with always on display enabled.
Lastly on a side note, are the black lines that aren't illuminated something to worry about?
Mine is the same, including a similar set of dark lines. I've seen others on Reddit report identical concerns.
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Mine is the same, including a similar set of dark lines. I've seen others on Reddit report identical concerns.
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Noticed this too, thought I was crazy lol...kinda waste of an AMOLED screen.
Hmmm ok at least I'm not the only one. Hopefully Asus is able to change it in a future update.
Yeah it is weird, black watch faces aren't truly black. I think they did it so watch faces can blend into the color scheme of the watch, if you notice the color overlay on the app launcher
That's because of auto Brightness. Turn it off. This impacts battery life. I observed this on very first day after the purchase. Using manual Brightness since then.
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That's because of auto Brightness. Turn it off. This impacts battery life. I observed this on very first day after the purchase. Using manual Brightness since then.
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I just tried disabling Auto Brightness but the red tinge of the black background still exists.
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I just tried disabling Auto Brightness but the red tinge of the black background still exists.
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It doesn't happen with me. If I turn off auto Brightness the blacks go complete black. Do you have live display turned on your phones? If so try disabling it. May be this setting depends on your phone. All I can confirm is if I turned auto Brightness off amoled works perfectly.
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It doesn't happen with me. If I turn off auto Brightness the blacks go complete black. Do you have live display turned on your phones? If so try disabling it. May be this setting depends on your phone. All I can confirm is if I turned auto Brightness off amoled works perfectly.
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Not sure what you mean by live display but I just have a stock S7 Edge. I prefer keeping the auto brightness on for my watch so I guess I'll have to live with it.
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Not sure what you mean by live display but I just have a stock S7 Edge. I prefer keeping the auto brightness on for my watch so I guess I'll have to live with it.
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Live display is when some ROMs allow the screen to have a tint at night time so the blue light from the screen won't affect your eyes at night
Me too have similar display and black line like that.
Glad I'm not the only one with this condition.
I also have those black lines, was about to get a replacement but since I'm not the only one and it doesn't affect overall performance or aesthetics its fine.
Yeah I have also black lines and screen is not completely dark with totally black watch faces
Turning off the auto brightness is not a solution. Its a pain if you had to adjust the brightness all the time
Hello all, my past 3 AMOLED phones have been facing burn-in where the keyboard is displayed as I tend to chat a lot! Can anyone give me an option to avoid it? Please don't troll and say use less keyboard!
Might help if you keep the brightness on the lower side, other than that seems like catch22
Also choose a darker theme for the keyboard.
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Also choose a darker theme for the keyboard.
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That's why it kept happening for me... The I turn it to light mode and then the burn in goes away!
Dark mode will help reduce it, but I leave my phone set to auto switch light and dark mode based on sunrise and sunset, this way whatever app I'm using also switches, so the light and dark apps, flip button colours as well so anything white on a black screen also becomes black on a white screen so it helps reverse any burnin in that sense too.
For example, texting apps usually also have white icons at the top which can burn in with dark mode, so if you switch to light mode, the same icons are now black on a white screen, so the screen burns but the icons don't, so it all slowly burns in together and nothing becomes noticeable.
Been doing this after getting burnin on my S10+ using only darkmode and light icons left burnin. And then on my S20 Ultra I did the flipping light and dark mode and never had issues but I also had the full screen settings to hide the pinhole camera so it made the entire top black, and then One UI 3.0 came out and they removed that option so now you can't hide the pinhole camera and I had a burnin bar across the top from where it was black lol.
Now on my S21 Ultra I have the light and dark mode set to flip at sun rise and sun set, and I can't hide the pin hole so maybe third phone is the charm here and I won't have any burnin at all this time haha.
Hope this helps.
There is no burn in with AMOLEDs; they have a finite lifespan and get dimmer as they age before finally failing after many 10's of thousands hours.
Don't over drive them by using them at maximum or near maximum levels.
High energy blue pixels are the most susceptible to damage, red the least because of its longer wavelength.
Use manual brightness control. Avoid going much over 50%.
Using full brightness reduces pixel lifespan as probably does high temperatures ie direct sunlight.
Limit usage at full brightness by the second*.
Using manual control ensures you're aware of it and keeps the phone from auto jacking it up on you when not really needed.
Turn it down in low light; don't burn out your retina's as they aren't replaceable.
Use dark mode whenever possible. Use dark or black wallpaper. You Good Lock to get rid of the stutus bar icons; simply use the pull down notification screen.
My 10+ gets heavy usage every day with a lot of keyboard time. At 15+ months there is no discernible weakness or dead pixels of any color at any brightness level.
*this is especially important with static images
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Dark mode will help reduce it, but I leave my phone set to auto switch light and dark mode based on sunrise and sunset, this way whatever app I'm using also switches, so the light and dark apps, flip button colours as well so anything white on a black screen also becomes black on a white screen so it helps reverse any burnin in that sense too.
For example, texting apps usually also have white icons at the top which can burn in with dark mode, so if you switch to light mode, the same icons are now black on a white screen, so the screen burns but the icons don't, so it all slowly burns in together and nothing becomes noticeable.
Been doing this after getting burnin on my S10+ using only darkmode and light icons left burnin. And then on my S20 Ultra I did the flipping light and dark mode and never had issues but I also had the full screen settings to hide the pinhole camera so it made the entire top black, and then One UI 3.0 came out and they removed that option so now you can't hide the pinhole camera and I had a burnin bar across the top from where it was black lol.
Now on my S21 Ultra I have the light and dark mode set to flip at sun rise and sun set, and I can't hide the pin hole so maybe third phone is the charm here and I won't have any burnin at all this time haha.
Hope this helps.
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you say you had burn in from keeping a black bar in the area where the pinhole was?
that doesnt make any sense. If it was black those pixels were off and there wouldnt be any burn in
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Get Gboard, And change it to a dark skin, I've never had any problems
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If it was black those pixels were off and there wouldnt be any burn in
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Reverse burn in, the screen area being used has a yellowish tone to it from being worn in over time, no matter how long the display is on, it's always burning in and the colour always adjusts over time from the burn in, it's the image retention burn in that people talk about, but the entire screen is always burning the entire time it's used. So by never using the top area the pixels are fresh and have a cooler tone to them than the rest of the screen as a result of this.
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Might help if you keep the brightness on the lower side, other than that seems like catch22
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Indeed. And to add, perhaps occasionally change from white to black keyboard to even things out.
This is a good one. Says something about fast charging and not showing this message again. Guess they forgot to check don’t show again.
No offence but:
Pay 1.2K for phone after you see super HDR, huge brightness etc. and then limit everything to minimum? Seriously?
If I see them, I will ask EE(my phone provider) to replace it. I had same issue with OP 7 Pro, screen burn ins, they have replaced phone.
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No offence but:
Pay 1.2K for phone after you see super HDR, huge brightness etc. and then limit everything to minimum? Seriously?
If I see them, I will ask EE(my phone provider) to replace it. I had same issue with OP 7 Pro, screen burn ins, they have replaced phone.
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Some countries like the UK have better consumer laws than others.
Sukrith said:
Hello all, my past 3 AMOLED phones have been facing burn-in where the keyboard is displayed as I tend to chat a lot! Can anyone give me an option to avoid it? Please don't troll and say use less keyboard!
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From normal use there will be no burnin. However, if you keep your display on showing the keboard all the time it will burn in. Also pixels start to burn in once they are on
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From normal use there will be no burnin. However, if you keep your display on showing the keboard all the time it will burn in. Also pixels start to burn in once they are on
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Mate - I had burn ins on my screen from things like clock etc, you cannot get rid of them, and it is a design flown, as long there is nothing in instruction etc.
joloxx9joloxx9 said:
Mate - I had burn ins on my screen from things like clock etc, you cannot get rid of them, and it is a design flown, as long there is nothing in instruction etc.
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Samsung shifts the AOD clock to help prevent this. However I use only tap on AOD now.
Perps know the deal, organic LEDs have a finite lifespan. Yeah you can drive your car as fast as it will go but you probably don't because you know it wouldn't last very long.
You wonder why the price tag keeps going up?
Freebies are never free.
Using in direct sunlight or at 80+% is just asking for it. In most cases completely avoidable. One can at least limit the time of use at full brightness and not have a homescreen that looks like a Vegas billboard.
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Samsung shifts the AOD clock to help prevent this. However I use only tap on AOD now.
Perps know the deal, organic LEDs have a finite lifespan. Yeah you can drive your car as fast as it will go but you probably don't because you know it wouldn't last very long.
You wonder why the price tag keeps going up?
Freebies are never free.
Using in direct sunlight or at 80+% is just asking for it. In most cases completely avoidable. One can at least limit the time of use at full brightness and not have a homescreen that looks like a Vegas billboard.
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So they should not sell them in countries like Spain etc as there is too much sun
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So they should not sell them in countries like Spain etc as there is too much sun
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I live in Texas desert, the sun here is intense.
It burns out LED traffic lights all the time; OLEDs are far less tolerant.
Simply use in the shade.
The individual pixels are microscopic. That they work at all is amazing let alone being capable of high lumen output with extremely excellent color/gamma rendering.
The AMOLED matrix has 10's of thousands of active solid state components not just the OLED pixels themselves. All are hest sensitive plus the fact the display is helping to dissipate mobo heat while producing heat of it's own. The most heat sensitive component, the OLED is smack on top of this glass heatsink*.
Direct sunlight in especially high ambient temperatures is a real bad plan. You can fry any display like this.
Know, understand and respect their limitations. You will be rewarded with a long lived gorgeous display.
*glass is a good thermal insulator. Do tempered glass protective screens increase the thermal burden? Most likely. If cool at first the added mass will be protective but once the device (or the sun) heats that mass up things will go down hill from there and the display temperature will rapidly climb.
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So they should not sell them in countries like Spain etc as there is too much sun
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Common sense should prevail I guess. I live in a place hotter than Spain. If I were to use my device in the middle of the day in bright sun light it’ll cook after 15mins. Hence why I don’t. But then would any other device.
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I live in Texas desert, the sun here is intense.
It burns out LED traffic lights all the time; OLEDs are far less tolerant.
Simply use in the shade.
The individual pixels are microscopic. That they work at all is amazing let alone being capable of high lumen output with extremely excellent color/gamma rendering.
The AMOLED matrix has 10's of thousands of active solid state components not just the OLED pixels themselves. All are hest sensitive plus the fact the display is helping to dissipate mobo heat while producing heat of it's own. The most heat sensitive component, the OLED is smack on top of this glass heatsink*.
Direct sunlight in especially high ambient temperatures is a real bad plan. You can fry any display like this.
Know, understand and respect their limitations. You will be rewarded with a long lived gorgeous display.
*glass is a good thermal insulator. Do tempered glass protective screens increase the thermal burden? Most likely. If cool at first the added mass will be protective but once the device (or the sun) heats that mass up things will go down hill from there and the display temperature will rapidly climb.
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And this was me think you lived in the Mojave desert.
I can't find any relevant information about GW5 and screen burn. I've only seen about GW4 where the OS doesn't implement pixel shift but I'm not entirely sure whether or not this applies to GW5...
Can GW5 have a screen burn?
If yes, is it permanent damage or can you reset the screen by having a bright screen for a long period of time?
Also does it implement pixel shifting or do I have to use something like pixel minimal watchface that does have a setting for that ?
What are your experiences?
All OLED displays are susceptible to permanent burn in, especially with constant use. It is a matter of "when", not "if" - the screen WILL burn in eventually with enough use. This is permanent and cannot be reversed. Pixel shifting can help increase the lifetime but even so the screen eventually will burn in, especially for a device with display items that are always in the same place, such as a watch or phone.
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All OLED displays are susceptible to permanent burn in, especially with constant use. It is a matter of "when", not "if" - the screen WILL burn in eventually with enough use. This is permanent and cannot be reversed. Pixel shifting can help increase the lifetime but even so the screen eventually will burn in, especially for a device with display items that are always in the same place, such as a watch or phone.
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Also, good idea to try and utilise watch faces with darker colours...
My watch seems to be off more than on with the 15 second timeout, wrist movements, Etc...