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According to Android Central, the real reason behind OP's merging of the OxygenOS and HydrogenOS that has been happening in the past weeks is due to a mass exodus of developers due to problems within the company. Problems such as long working hours and a lack of a common goal in the leadership. The merger was advertised to be in "a step in the right direction" but it looks like there's a lot issues at OnePlus that forced them to do this. There's also reports that the developers whose idea of a Nexus-like OS for the phones is no longer there and that more people will leave after the merger of OOS and HydrogenOS is complete.
This leaves me worried that we'll be left with old kernel and other sources to build fully working custom ROMs and that people who prefer stock will be left waiting for bug fixes and new updates for much longer.
The article is below.
http://www.androidcentral.com/onepl...l&utm_source=facebook.com&utm_campaign=buffer
My OP3 is on the way and now I'm worried too.
I'm definitely worried about the article. No human resources means no development... And to find very quick new talented people and to get them familiar with the architecture and structure of hard- and software, phew, is not easy.
Sounds like N for OP3 far far away
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diegodm said:
My OP3 is on the way and now I'm worried too.
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Don't be worried, i read somewhere both teams will keep UI close to Stock Android, or same as OOS, a separate launcher type stuff to keep H2OS along with it. So i think they know, Stock Android is one of the main reason why they sell phone, even now giving competition to Nexus phones.
Without stock, they will be at best like Haewei/Oppo or other Chinese brands.
But you raised an important question, there is not a single stable/bug free ROM, strangely/sadly or as good as OOS it self. Even the great official CM13 is in nightly stage. After so many months, people here are only installing to ROMS to be beta testers?
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Don't be worried, i read somewhere both teams will keep UI close to Stock Android, or same as OOS, a separate launcher type stuff to keep H2OS along with it. So i think they know, Stock Android is one of the main reason why they sell phone, even now giving competition to Nexus phones.
Without stock, they will be at best like Haewei/Oppo or other Chinese brands.
But you raised an important question, there is not a single stable/bug free ROM, strangely/sadly or as good as OOS it self. Even the great official CM13 is in nightly stage. After so many months, people here are only installing to ROMS to be beta testers?
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I really hope so... If I wanted Chinese interface I would have bought Mi5.
I just hope that the changes at Cyanogen don't affect CyanogenMod too much.
It's not all doom and gloom they could hire what's left of Cyanogenmod
For those of you who already have the OnePlus 3, I would assume the chance is very slim - thats totally understandable
Will you now be buying the One Plus 3T and developing a custom rom/kernel for the device ?
I Think you should better ask in op3 forum..
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I Think you should better ask in op3 forum..
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Some Devs might not have a OP3 already ?
Asked in OP3 Q & A forum also.
I will buy it
I certainly won't be buying it due to the lack of sdcard slot, meh camera, lame screen, no VR but I will support it in the Kali NetHunter project as well as TWRP.
Already have a kernel repo updated, security fixed, and easily standalone compiled: https://github.com/jcadduono/android_kernel_oneplus_msm8996/commits/3T-android-6.0
Don't see what OP3 users fuss is about, there's really nothing special when you compare the 3T to the 3. I do think it's odd for OnePlus to release a new device for a higher price with little improvement and no incentive for other users to jump on the bandwagon.
ZTE's Axon 7 looks interesting for around the same price. (the extra 2 GB RAM and 200 mHz max clock boost isn't going to make any noticeable difference)
And it's got nice loud stereo audio, Daydream capable (soon), 1440p AMOLED, and an sdcard slot.
Shame about its availability.
OP3 roms should work on OP3T, right? I am looking for a new phone and I was thinking about OnePlus 3T but I am really afraid that it will lack a proper developer support. I would buy Pixel XL 128GB but availability is awful outside of the US.
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OP3 roms should work on OP3T, right? I am looking for a new phone and I was thinking about OnePlus 3T but I am really afraid that it will lack a proper developer support. I would buy Pixel XL 128GB but availability is awful outside of the US.
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They can be combined in sources and have very similar build trees, so it wouldn't take much effort to compile a OnePlus 3 ROM to work on the OnePlus 3T, but it would still require a different build.
Prepare for the influx of users posting "why wont this work on my 3t?!?!!!!"
I was about to get the oneplus 3, but after hearing about the oneplus 3t i rather just wait for that one. I hope op3 devs will work on 3t too
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I was about to get the oneplus 3, but after hearing about the oneplus 3t i rather just wait for that one. I hope op3 devs will work on 3t too
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hehe ...same here....now i m waiting for one plus 3t
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For those of you who already have the OnePlus 3, I would assume the chance is very slim - thats totally understandable
Will you buying the One Plus 3T and developing a custom rom/kernel for the device ?
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i will not buy it. but i am planning to work on this device. did this to other devices too.
planned: twrp, cyanogenmod, maybe beanstalk and marshrom
have the oneplus 3 and will be ordering 3T the day it comes available in belgium (28/11/2016).
Hope we have more ppl like flo071 developing... already a big fan of 14.1 thread
As mentioned before by others i also am afraid of the support (from oneplus aswell as from the community) because of the two different versions. Guess ill keep the regular 3 for a while for testing roms and keep the 3T stock apart from kernel and root.
greetz
I'll just leave this here on behalf of 3 devs.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=69654967&postcount=69
Noooo reading that makes me doubt where I was so sure to buy the phone thinking devs would pick up asap on the 3T... Hmmm no kernel...
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I'm hoping devs attempt to grab maintainers at least... I have the G5 from T-Mobile and funny thing...it's just now getting dev support butt I'm switching to the 3T anyways. I want the newer chipset, more ram, better faster dev support....pixel xl 128 cost too much. I'll miss my wide screen camera but whatever. I got a 360 camera if I need really wide pictures. Long story short the oneplus 3 has great dev support. I can't imagine the 3T will be any different. Oneplus will put out the camera libs eventually, they are probably holding out because they are redoing then for Android N and don't see a reason to release Android m libs when they will be useless come one month. I'm excited for this phone..I'll miss some things about my g5, but won't miss the dev community that took several months to push out anything.
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Oh and the sapphire glad i bet will be much better any smudge..the G5 was a blurry smudge mess. Idk if sapphire has anti smudge properties.....I hope so...man this reply it's way off topic.
Relevant: https://www.xda-developers.com/oneplus-ama-roundup-oneplus-3t-edition/
OnePlus has something planned for the devs
I am getting one, if it matters any
I've already got a zImage and Wifi module built for it. I just need the device in my hands to pull the ramdisk and test. Note though. It's only a stock kernel with the verifiedbootstate flag removed to pass SafetyNet and I don't plan on doing much else with it. I know the stock kernel performs great for me on the OP3 and I don't plan on straying too far from that. I will leave all the bells and whistles to the good developers.
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Kernel is the only thing I really care about to geek out on as for ROMs I'm happy with what oneplus offer in terms of features and customisation. And who knows what we will get with 7.0>7.1 update. They seem to of matured alot this generation so hopefully it will be a good year for owners.
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I've already got a zImage and Wifi module built for it. I just need the device in my hands to pull the ramdisk and test. Note though. It's only a stock kernel with the verifiedbootstate flag removed to pass SafetyNet and I don't plan on doing much else with it. I know the stock kernel performs great for me on the OP3 and I don't plan on straying too far from that. I will leave all the bells and whistles to the good developers.
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We just need TWRP and then we can get some anykernel going, I am thinking this is a good candidate for some EAS from Pixel, what do you all think?
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We just need TWRP and then we can get some anykernel going, I am thinking this is a good candidate for some EAS from Pixel, what do you all think?
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Someone posted they were going to work on TWRP, so hopefully that will get done soon. It will be possible without it but TWRP will make life a lot easier. As for EAS, I don't know much about it yet. RenderBroken just released a kernel for the OP3 that utilizes it. We could check that out and see how well it works for them.
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According to David Y on OnePlus Official forums:
First, my answer to the question on the thread title:
Yes. OnePlus 3/3T will get Android O. OOS team are working on it, even new community app (not public yet) just finished the compatibility work for Android O last week.
Here are some update I'd like to share with you guys:
Currently the OOS team are focusing on the OBT program and Android O for OP3/3T, also stable updates for OP5. Next stable update for OP3/3T was planned, will be a minor update updated Android security patch level to August.
I will keep you all in the loop once I got some latest updates.
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https://forums.oneplus.net/threads/will-op3-and-3t-get-android-o.498382/page-8#post-16580894
Ask op2 owners about promises like this. Will see.
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Ask op2 owners about promises like this. Will see.
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Well, unlike the OP2, the OnePlus 3 was much more successful, and had no hardware issues. Plus, due to the similarities in hardware (and consequently software) between the OnePlus 3 and the 3T, they can essentially provide support for 2 devices at the cost and effort of one. If they, for instance, decide to go back on their promise for some reason, they would be offending the owners of 2 devices at the same time. As explained earlier, there would be no logical reason in updating just the 3T and not the 3. Now the only way forward for OnePlus would be to deliver on the standard 18 month support promise. It WOULD however, be a miracle if OnePlus goes one step further and give us the P update too, whenever it comes out. Unlikely, but a man can dream...
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Ask op2 owners about promises like this. Will see.
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the 1st time was a promise , this time is an official timeline, he stated what the development team is working on already , not what they intend to...so,
i get it was bad not to provide the OP2 with the N update, but the circumstances for the 3/T is different.
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Well, unlike the OP2, the OnePlus 3 was much more successful, and had no hardware issues. Plus, due to the similarities in hardware (and consequently software) between the OnePlus 3 and the 3T, they can essentially provide support for 2 devices at the cost and effort of one. If they, for instance, decide to go back on their promise for some reason, they would be offending the owners of 2 devices at the same time. As explained earlier, there would be no logical reason in updating just the 3T and not the 3. Now the only way forward for OnePlus would be to deliver on the standard 18 month support promise. It WOULD however, be a miracle if OnePlus goes one step further and give us the P update too, whenever it comes out. Unlikely, but a man can dream...
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Totally agree drakonizer. :highfive:
Lets hope Android O isn't a mess, (like Lollipop was,) and that the final OS update for our devices is stable with good battery life. For the next year after it can be left untouched with just the security patch updated.
I also don't expect OP to update us to Android P.
If they do a blog like this I would love this! I do rather have Oneplus being honest to us with what they are planning and working on!
It's not like they having so many devices to update, so i don't see any problem they support 3/T further, to P maybe? why jack up the ram to 6 Gb and says it's for "future proofing" if the software alone isn't supported for long. this device is more than capable handling O and so on
Dear OnePlus 3t owners,
Is it sensible to buy a new OP3T after OP decided to kill updates post-O?
On this device, easy root, no updates but plenty of community support.
On others (S8, XZ Premium, other mainstream flagships), loss of features with root, somewhat more updates with less community support.
Please help me take my decision, and any and all help is greatly appreciated!
It depends if you want a phone to play around and mod or you want a phone to have longer updates although longer updates are not a guarantee in any brand even Google promises updates for 2 years only. 3t is still a pretty good device and I think we'll have good dev support for atleast a couple of years
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No update ? Hmm, don't know where you see this, OpenBeta 13 has just been release today.
Personally, I bought the OnePlus 3T like one week ago for 350e on Ebay, very happy with with.
Before it, I bought a OnePlus 5 day one, and, well, if I'm here today, it's because I was very disappointed (*cough* Jelly Effect *cough* ), and I bought the OnePlus 3T because I need a new device right now: I prepare a trip in South Korea, and need a new device to replace the time bomb OnePlus 2 (sorry about my life topic).
I share the idea about the fact that the OnePlus 3T was the true Flagship Killer: low price for very good specs.
You can see that the device is still in top 3 devices on XDA (behind Samsung Galaxy S8/S8+ and LG G6), and for me, it's an indicator that the OnePlus 3T still has a bright future.
So yeah, OnePlus won't update the OnePlus 3T after Android O (but still security update tho), but he, we are on XDA, so plenty of custom ROMs available!
After all, I can't either ""force"" you to buy or not the OnePlus 3T. It depends on multiple points
-How many you want to put in your phone ?
-What is a good smartphone for you ?
-Do you care about officials updates of custom ROMs is ok for you ?
1. No updates: I actually meant "no major version updates".
2. So you have bought the 5 and saw that the 3T was better in comparison?
3. Are custom ROMs stable as stock on this device? (My 1st OP device, hope ROMs are as stable as stock to the contrary of Samsung)
4. Is the camera on custom ROMs any good (as in decent) without camera blobs from OnePlus?
Thanks for your advice! I'm actually biased towards buying the device but I have had my reservations
Well, I'm a tinkerer but I really prefer more updates as I do prefer longevity (3-4 years of college, not enough $$$ to spend on phones). Thank you a lot!
I don't think it'll matter. Android O will be a nice send off and I think said that they'll provide security updates also. The community will support this phone for many android revisions and groups/people like PA or Sultan got the same camera quality on their AOSP roms
Also, you said that you bought the 3T to replace your "time-bomb" OP2. How is the 2 a time bomb exactly? And could the 3T become one too?
I'm content with the device on O but as soon as P rolls out a problem arises. Community ROMs are not exactly stable (coming from Samsung, no idea w/ OP3T though) and I've read somewhere that PA and/or Sultan received the blobs from OP through bribery or something ... What do you think?
So you have bought the 5 and saw that the 3T was better in comparison?
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Jelly Effect is a deal breaker for me. Search for it on internet, you will see.
Are custom ROMs stable as stock on this device?
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For now, I don't know. I just flash a custom kernel on my device, but still under OxygenOS for now.
Is the camera on custom ROMs any good (as in decent) without camera blobs from OnePlus?
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As I said, I don't know. But some recognized devs build ROMs which camera which seems to be as good as stock one (such as SultanXDA's ROM or ParanoidAndroid)
Also, you said that you bought the 3T to replace your "time-bomb" OP2. How is the 2 a time bomb exactly? And could the 3T become one too?
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The OnePlus 2 was produced with the Snapdragon 810, which is, let's be honest, a sh*t. My user experience with it was pretty bad. Also, I don't know if you saw, but the Nexus 6P (which also has the Snapdragon 810) is victims of problems with this processor: actually, some users have a phone which can't even boot anymore. A user find a solution, but actually, the phone now uses 4 cores (the little cluster) instead of 8 (little + big cluster): I don't want the OnePlus 2 to ends like this, so I bought a new phone, just to be sure.
Aaaaand I f*cked up my answer. Of course, this posts contains answer to your questions @WaseemAlkurdi
Custom roms are far more stable on the 3t then on Samsung devices. Less hacking needed.
Updates are kinda over rated at this point. With the 3t you can just build it yourself. Though I would avoid Los based or PA based roms. Those tend to have the most issues with things like instability.
Think of it this way: would you buy this phone and use it as is, or would you out a custom ROM on it?
It might not get any updates from UP after O, but it's gonna get at least 3 more years of support from Lineage and others.
There are a plethora of "stable" custom built ROMs by several very talented developers.
To say that community ROMs are not stable is an EXTREMELY uninformed comment.
I've been running some form of a custom ROM for the past 7 years over a a multitude of phones following well known developers that in my opinion and experience put out better device software than the factory.
If you do choose the OP3T, you'll not be disappointed as it's a quality device with excellent community support.
Like could I build "OxygenOS P" myself?
And if LOS and PA ROMs aren't stable, is AOSP so? And that makes for a tradeoff for camera quality, as an earlier comment said that camera is the best on PA and Sultan (Sultan's being LOS based AFAIK)
@giant22000
Seems like it's going to be the OnePlus 3t after all, and what remains to be done is convincing my dad that an unknown China OEM (in local market's view - not our view) can make solid hardware.
"To say that community ROMs are not stable is an EXTREMELY uninformed comment."
This is relative. Coming from various Samsung devices, namely the Galaxy Grand 2 and the Galaxy Star (the crappiest device known to mankind) and servicing others including flagship models, it does happen that custom ROMs are, to say the best, variable in stability, ranging from crappiest (CM on the Galaxy S Duos and on the Star) to semi-stable (the stuff on high-end phones.
@ast00
I am a tinkerer by nature, no Android phone is mine unless the bootloader is unlocked, custom ROM, kernel, overclock, and later on, development.
I am only concerned about official updates as this may mean eventually being deserted by the community. Is this the case here?
@casual_kikoo
Thanks for your detailed answers!
Yes AOSP tend to be more stable then the other two. Just look at the thread and you will see issues with bootloops and other things. Yet AOSP based roms do not suffer from this.
The camera is good enough no matter the range. I tested both and to be honest it made little difference.
No you are not gonna build Oxygen OS as it is closed source but then again why would you want to?
Stability, mate. Heard that OOS is the most stable, then comes AOSP, then comes LOS.
And if it were possible to build OOS, the update issue would be fixed of course. But alas, it isn't possible, as you said.
No. Most ROMs run on the 3 and the 3T. I mean you flash the same zip for both phones.
This is good because our community is the size of 2 phone's communities. You will have plenty of support later on.
Take nexus 5 as example, its still getting regular rom updates such as PA or lineage, this device will be no different.. it will receive android updates from xda community for a long time
I have an old mi note 5 pro which I gave to my girlfriend and that phone already has many stable android 10 ROMs, along with havoc and pixel experience, and it didn't even get an official android 10 update.
This phone has official android 10 from xiaomi but there aren't any aosp based ROMs on it. All the major ones have been abandoned and there aren't too many in general anyway. Why is that happening? Is it specifically hard to make ROMs for this phone?
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I have an old mi note 5 pro which I gave to my girlfriend and that phone already has many stable android 10 ROMs, along with havoc and pixel experience, and it didn't even get an official android 10 update.
This phone has official android 10 from xiaomi but there aren't any aosp based ROMs on it. All the major ones have been abandoned and there aren't too many in general anyway. Why is that happening? Is it specifically hard to make ROMs for this phone?
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what do you mean by dev support so bad?iff you can question dev like this "quote" (Is it specifically hard to make ROMs for this phone)..why dont you try to make one?dont throw stupid question on this forum..to make a custom rom first you need free time..second need a team to develop 1 rom..third you not getting paid for what you did (yes you can put your donation link in the post but not all user will donate to you..dumn kiddo
Basically stick with MIUI if you want a functional phone with updates for like 2 years. Then you can rely on 3rd party developers. But then again software for your device is not guaranteed. Or better should had bought OnePlus 7/t/pro instead. Xiaomi has a very bad record of updating their device. It's called planned obsolescence. It's better if you learn how to make ROMs if you want to keep your device updated. You can't trust and rely on anyone these days.
Cheaper devices which have lost support tend to get better dev support.
I'd imagine more android 10 roms when the official kernel sources for it are released. If it were never to get Android 10, then devs may see it worthwhile to backport kernels.
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I have an old mi note 5 pro which I gave to my girlfriend and that phone already has many stable android 10 ROMs, along with havoc and pixel experience, and it didn't even get an official android 10 update.
This phone has official android 10 from xiaomi but there aren't any aosp based ROMs on it. All the major ones have been abandoned and there aren't too many in general anyway. Why is that happening? Is it specifically hard to make ROMs for this phone?
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Because you haven't out baked any ROMs.
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Let's not act like the folks at the MI forums and discuss it rationally instead of lashing out at OP.
My guess is that K20 series is rather new series and has lower salse than extremely successful devices like Note 5 pro. So it has smaller dev base and availability of raw materials yet.
Instead of giving cliche answers like "developers have life too", "why don't you make rom yourself".
Why can't we discuss lack of Android 10 roms for our device? OP asked the right question.
As far as I know, we don't have stable device tree for Q. Xiaomi doesn't release device trees. Abhishek(dev of LineageOS 10) has a working device tree but he wants to make it stable and then release the sources. Once he releases that i think then we will get more Q based custom roms.
Yeah It is not worthy changing to custom rom. Better stay on stock atm
Because it's still a rather new phone, atleast the global one. Custom ROMs in general seem to be dying, probably because official ROMs are getting better and better compared to the times when i had my HTC HD2.
I don't know why everyone is so butthurt about this post, I'm legitimately curious why this is happening. I'm not bashing the devs at all, maybe 10 year old children that can't even comprehend a text should stick to their telegram groups.
Thanks to everyone who posted something actually useful, it seems the official device tree hasn't been released it, hopefully xiaomi will take care of this soon.
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I don't know why everyone is so butthurt about this post, I'm legitimately curious why this is happening. I'm not bashing the devs at all, maybe 10 year old children that can't even comprehend a text should stick to their telegram groups.
Thanks to everyone who posted something actually useful, it seems the official device tree hasn't been released it, hopefully xiaomi will take care of this soon.
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At the moment there is a bit of inactivity whilst many devs are waiting for android 10 sources to be released by Xiaomi. I'm guessing most devs don't want to waste time working on fixing Pie ROMs when they know everyone will abandon them once stable 10 ROMs arrive.
Give it a month or so and you'll see done movement again.
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At the moment there is a bit of inactivity whilst many devs are waiting for android 10 sources to be released by Xiaomi. I'm guessing most devs don't want to waste time working on fixing Pie ROMs when they know everyone will abandon them once stable 10 ROMs arrive.
Give it a month or so and you'll see done movement again.
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Good point, I haven't considered that. This phone is very popular and I was really curious why there are so few custom ROMs, maybe we will get more goodies on android 10.
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I don't know why everyone is so butthurt about this post, I'm legitimately curious why this is happening. I'm not bashing the devs at all, maybe 10 year old children that can't even comprehend a text should stick to their telegram groups.
Thanks to everyone who posted something actually useful, it seems the official device tree hasn't been released it, hopefully xiaomi will take care of this soon.
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because you too stupid too make comparerison with your stupid redmi note 5 over 2019 k20 pro/Mi 9T pro device dumb ass..they way you said (dev support so bad) make you look so stupid..thats all..and 1 more thing..you can say dev support so slow..not dev support so bad since they not work for you kiddo..
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because you too stupid too make comparerison with your stupid redmi note 5 over 2019 k20 pro/Mi 9T pro device dumb ass..they way you said (dev support so bad) make you look so stupid..thats all..and 1 more thing..you can say dev support so slow..not dev support so bad since they not work for you kiddo..
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Really don't need this kind of rage, take it easy. I believe op was just asking. Just a curiosity... Despite your concerns about the words he used to start the talk. I believe it is pretty easy to understand he was not demanding anything from the good guys, the devs, or even trying to complaining about it.
Seems that there's no way to have a civilized conversation about it without getting someone any hassle, saying "why don't you develop? Douchebag".... Not first time I saw this. Weird thing indeed...
From the Moderator oka1
This conversation is going nowhere productive.... They rarely do.
Remember, everyone posts their work for free, if you do not like their work, I suggest you make your own ROM and show us your skills .......... Which likely, are non-existent with the exception of running your mouth.
.........As Such ..... THIS THREAD IS CLOSED
~~~ Oka1