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[IMPORTANT] Stop blaming the cooks!!!

Damn....
Please remeber one thing before posting in threads about a released ROM:
- it is HARD work
- it takes TIME lots of TIME
- cooks still have a JOB or FAMILY
- they do it for FREE
- they cook THEIR PERSONAL rom
- maybe they ask "What to put in" BUT it stays their personal ROM
- cooking, porting and releasing is a very HARD JOB
So if you like the work - tell them
If you have bugs - tell them
If you have improvements - tell them
BUT DON´T tell them that you don´t like the work
don´t write a another release thread "i take your rom because teh XXX sucks"
don´t blame a cooks WORK
Because that happened we lost:
Itje = sad about reaction
ttran = sad about reaction
They take a break because of some guys spitting on their work and bombing with PMs
STOP IT! Please!
We need people like Itje, ttran, ivanmmj, and all other developers and user here who are working
constructivly!!!
@ itje and ttran and all cooks: Please report posts blaming your work and I will delete them!!

Daniel(mopps): I agree 100% to what you said. People should request, that too in the forums. They should not PM the cooks and 'demand' something. Also, they should stop complaining about their ROMs. It requires a lot of hard work and hell lot of time. Making the ROM; debugging it; polishing it; testing it requires lot of patience and time.
They make the rom avaliable to us for free. They dont charge us anything. Then, why the fu** some guys yammer about the contents of the ROM.
Message to the guys who complain: flash back stock WM5/WM6 and install what you want from the forum. Dont complain

The problem is that people are more likely to complain if something is not working that be thankfull when it does. Bad thing imo.
I'm using ttran's ROM at the moment (being pretty new to PPC devices) and it works like a charm. (Already did this in his thread, but) Thanks a lot!

It's very disappointing that a lot of people come here just for the software, they don't read (no matter if they know how to read), they take everything as granted, they cry for things they don't see, then they blame the cooks, no respect for the free meals.
The internet made a lot of smart people, it made much more stupid ones too.
Thanks to the cooks especially Itje, I'm running his Touch-IT.
Thanks to duprad, a nice humble tutor.
Thanks to everybody who contributes to this forum.
Let's keep it alive, active, and fruitful.
Peace.

o crap the title need to be bold and the thread need to be sticky. This is a big problem the better the rom get the more the complaint. i only read this cuz i saw your name under it.

ivanmmj = hasn't released his WM6.1 yet so hasn't had the opportunity to get the "my mms isn't working" complaint yet.
Actually, my MMS is working, but I'm sure it won't work for someone.

Shame...I love the work of Itje (I fell in love with touch-it so i haven't tried any other custom rom).
Maybe is it possible if the cooks like it to use some development/bugtrack software. This way bug's don't get reported hundreds of times. Especially when $#%@$#%-users who don't read can be banned from the tool.
Right now the forum is flooding with: "I just ignored everything you wrote and now my device is bricked. It's your ROM and I am too lame to use the search function so help me"-posts. And that makes the useful posts harder to find.

Who needs mms???
I do like the work of the rom-cooks and would like to take the opportunity to say "Thank You for Your work"!!!

2 cents:
I dont know if anyone here follows the PSP scene, but history repeats itself. Dark-AleX is the prime example http://www.dark-alex.org . His situation about a year ago is the exact thing that is going on here. In case you dont know, he creates custom firmware based off sony's original. Pretty much the exact same as the cooks do here (only 100 times harder.)
People were complaining thousands more than this place and he is the only "cook" (as the wm6 scene calls 'em).
Bottom line, he quit the scene for a while because of complainers, and everyone who used his CFW was upset because no more updates (and PSP updates are pretty much monthly). It was tough on everyone. But luckily he is back now, and based on following the PSP scene for long enough I can offer you some pretty good advice, based on this similar situation.
My suggestion to the cooks is this:
1) grab about 5 guys you trust on this forum, who are intelligent and can beta test, and don't mind doing it.
2) limit your releases from like 3 a month to once a month (or fewer) to ensure a working release and keep the complainers from demanding so much
3) work less frequently, and have little to no contact with the general public, dont monitor your thread (it gets too stressful). this is why you have the 5 or so guys you can trust. They are the middle man, and in turn get releases sooner than the general public and a little clout.

taspankya said:
2 cents:
I dont know if anyone here follows the PSP scene, but history repeats itself. Dark-AleX is the prime example http://www.dark-alex.org . His situation about a year ago is the exact thing that is going on here. In case you dont know, he creates custom firmware based off sony's original. Pretty much the exact same as the cooks do here (only 100 times harder.)
People were complaining thousands more than this place and he is the only "cook" (as the wm6 scene calls 'em).
Bottom line, he quit the scene for a while because of complainers, and everyone who used his CFW was upset because no more updates (and PSP updates are pretty much monthly). It was tough on everyone. But luckily he is back now, and based on following the PSP scene for long enough I can offer you some pretty good advice, based on this similar situation.
My suggestion to the cooks is this:
1) grab about 5 guys you trust on this forum, who are intelligent and can beta test, and don't mind doing it.
2) limit your releases from like 3 a month to once a month (or fewer) to ensure a working release and keep the complainers from demanding so much
3) work less frequently, and have little to no contact with the general public, dont monitor your thread (it gets too stressful). this is why you have the 5 or so guys you can trust. They are the middle man, and in turn get releases sooner than the general public and a little clout.
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Very sound advice.
Cooks:
Keep in mind - some poeple are never happy regardless of the case; you've just got to let that go. See those of us who appreciate what you do and tell you such.
I know that at least a few of the cooks mentioned has received a PM from me offering support and thanks for their work or thier comments in their threads.
ITJE - Love your stuff bro do what you got to do to get where you want to go and don't let anyone stand in your way.
Ivanmmj currently LOVING your CleanROM Final - looking forward to your next works . . . .
tran001 Loved and used your Open Touch series - keep up the good work!

just want to say for the record that i have complained to ttran before (during the rocky periods of very early versions of open touch). then i realized, i was an ass to do so. so i paypal'ed him 5 bucks (beer money) soon after. sorry about that ttran. lol, i think we moved passed it though.
when a scene grows you get more noobs. and "noobs" suck the life blood out of a thriving community. if you cant use common sense or a search button than you are a noob at using a computer.
there goes the neighborhood.

taspankya said:
2 cents:
I dont know if anyone here follows the PSP scene, but history repeats itself. Dark-AleX is the prime example http://www.dark-alex.org . His situation about a year ago is the exact thing that is going on here. In case you dont know, he creates custom firmware based off sony's original. Pretty much the exact same as the cooks do here (only 100 times harder.)
People were complaining thousands more than this place and he is the only "cook" (as the wm6 scene calls 'em).
Bottom line, he quit the scene for a while because of complainers, and everyone who used his CFW was upset because no more updates (and PSP updates are pretty much monthly). It was tough on everyone. But luckily he is back now, and based on following the PSP scene for long enough I can offer you some pretty good advice, based on this similar situation.
My suggestion to the cooks is this:
1) grab about 5 guys you trust on this forum, who are intelligent and can beta test, and don't mind doing it.
2) limit your releases from like 3 a month to once a month (or fewer) to ensure a working release and keep the complainers from demanding so much
3) work less frequently, and have little to no contact with the general public, dont monitor your thread (it gets too stressful). this is why you have the 5 or so guys you can trust. They are the middle man, and in turn get releases sooner than the general public and a little clout.
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I would say that this is a very good idea. It would take alot of the stress off of the chefs here.

taspankya said:
2 cents:
My suggestion to the cooks is this:
1) grab about 5 guys you trust on this forum, who are intelligent and can beta test, and don't mind doing it.
2) limit your releases from like 3 a month to once a month (or fewer) to ensure a working release and keep the complainers from demanding so much
3) work less frequently, and have little to no contact with the general public, dont monitor your thread (it gets too stressful). this is why you have the 5 or so guys you can trust. They are the middle man, and in turn get releases sooner than the general public and a little clout.
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They DO!
They have betatester and everyone who knows me - I try to help everyone...
BUT they also want to be proud of their work... adn it is soooo disappointed when someone starts yelling at their work...
And some parts only can answered by the cooks because the reghacks are sometime a "secret" of each cook - and that is good so...

papamopps said:
They DO!
They have betatester and everyone who knows me - I try to help everyone...
BUT they also want to be proud of their work... adn it is soooo disappointed when someone starts yelling at their work...
And some parts only can answered by the cooks because the reghacks are sometime a "secret" of each cook - and that is good so...
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I am an active open touch user so i can only speak from my thread interactions with ttran. His beta testers need to moderate and be the communication between the users and him. In theory he has them but in practice i do not believe he uses them like he should. Thats nothing bad on his part, he wants to be on the ground level with the end user as well. Which is ok, until it gets overwhelming - which it obviously has gotten. Cooks can still keep their secret and only deal with beta testers who will not know their secrets, if it is that imperative to them. I agree it is disappointing that this is and has happened. No one wins from this situation.

Ban those ungrateful, undeserving and disrespectful ************s.

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damn that both really left?? they were the ****in best.. when did they say that they left? (damn these ppl..)

frozinwater said:
damn that both really left?? they were the f***** best.. when did they say that they left? (damn these ppl..)
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They did? Uh... that's not good...
That makes me the only active cook... maybe I should hold on to my current finished release until they come back. lol (that and I'm waiting on the graphics "department" to get me the graphics that I need.)

frozinwater said:
damn that both really left?? they were the ****in best.. when did they say that they left? (damn these ppl..)
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They didn't leave. They are just taking a break.

What a shame
This is disturbing news to this avid reader / member too. I am a junior member who has used several of ttran's roms (and gave him some beer $) AND am eagerly waiting to try ivan's cleanrom wm6.1 if he blesses us with its release.
I work in a very high stress I.T. environment with users making unrealistic demands all day long (but at least I get paid) so I can relate to wanting to take a break. Ttran and Itje are very valuable members to this forum! I read their posts on many different threads and appreciate all they do.
Other members and especially newbies - READ! READ! READ! Not of all my forum searches give me the answers I expect, so I search more and READ READ READ. Please do the same!

I need some consulting / hiring an X1 expert

Hi,
I have an X1 with the latest updated software from SE.
I want to see if I can get my device to be more responsive / improved / resolve some quirks.
But I don't really have time to read through pages of FAQs and learn about cooking and kitchens and then research all the roms, etc.
So what I would like to request is for some phone optimization consulting services in exchange for green rectangles.
What I'd like to do is:
- Discuss my needs for the phone and how I currently use it.
- Get feedback on how we can improve the phone's performance and responsiveness to those needs.
- Walk me through any kind of ROM fixes/upgrades.
- Give me step-by-step documentation on repeating the process so I can do it again if I need to.
Please either post here or send a PM with your qualifications and an estimate. I think this will run about 2 hours (1 hr or less of discussion via IM and then 1 hr of doing upgrades, etc.)
Thanks.

well...as a personal non-offensive opinion. but if you don't have time to read here, then you shouldn't be thinking about trying to mod your phone to begin with.
I'll give you this free advice.
if you want to get rid of some annoying things and the very very unresponsive speed on the wm 6.1 on your x1. get xperiatweak2. that's something that'll help a heck load.
if you are willing to take the chance of modifying the rom (which sony will say your warrenty is over if they find any rom mods that have been done to phone), then read this http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=446070 . as far as modding the rom goes, this topic has the most accurate information i've found so far.
and I highly recommand you read the forum topics that are posted here in the forum. That will help you more than us trying to tell you what to do and do everything for you.
we are all here willing to help you, but you need to do your part too.
"fish a day for a man, and he'll be full for a day. Teach a man to fish, he'll be full for a life time"

I'm helping to start a new industry of cell phone optimization consultants, and you seem to turn your nose up at it.
I started my company doing things that others could do if they spent a few hours looking through documentation but just didn't have the aptitude or time to do so.
I have XPTweaker already. I presume you guys have made improvements to the ROM(s) to make the device run faster and better - or am I mistaken?

synpax said:
I'm helping to start a new industry of cell phone optimization consultants, and you seem to turn your nose up at it.
I started my company doing things that others could do if they spent a few hours looking through documentation but just didn't have the aptitude or time to do so.
I have XPTweaker already. I presume you guys have made improvements to the ROM(s) to make the device run faster and better - or am I mistaken?
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Although you did feel compelled to rub your alleged achievements in his face, you didn't stop to actually read his post and understand what he's trying to convey. Now don't get me wrong - I mean no offense here, but you do have to understand that you joined a community that has a certain way of dealing with things. You're one of the many (many!) "new guys" that thinks (right or wrong, regardless) that they have a really good idea. This time you got the pre-programmed (or so it seems) response.
In my opinion you portray yourself a bit too selfless, regarding the starting a whole new industry. Fact remains that you posted here because you need help, not us (starting a new industry).
Having said that - I'm sure someone here will be interested in helping you out. If I understand correctly you're offering money for the service ("green rectangles") - perhaps this question belongs in the marketplace - I don't know.
If your search proves fruitless, you may PM me as a last resort - I could teach you the ropes.
Good luck, and enjoy your stay at XDA!

synpax said:
I'm helping to start a new industry of cell phone optimization consultants, and you seem to turn your nose up at it.
I started my company doing things that others could do if they spent a few hours looking through documentation but just didn't have the aptitude or time to do so.
I have XPTweaker already. I presume you guys have made improvements to the ROM(s) to make the device run faster and better - or am I mistaken?
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hey guys what is going on here ?
the man wants personalized help and is willing to pay for it. this is a reasonable request and i find it "trollish" to start and argue about it. it doesnt really matter what his background is. its a standart business decision to save some time and pay someone qualified to do required work or provide infos.
also i find it very annoying to scroll past a bunch of useless so-called "funny" images just to keep track of real posts.
how about helping people instead of using this as a personal entertainment-stage ?
QuadWord

QuadWord said:
the man wants personalized help and is willing to pay for it. this is a reasonable request and i find it "trollish" to start and argue about it. it doesnt really matter what his background is. its a standart business decision to save some time and pay someone qualified to do required work or provide infos.
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+1.
To OP, maybe you can list your spec/requirements here. Then me or others could see how to help.
BTW, HTC Advance config tools is much better than Xperiatweak.

Maybe this better fits in Marketplace but I have a feeling that the expertise I am looking for lives here and not there.
I do not have time to become an expert in Rom modification and an expert in the variety of ROMs available, or in all of the applications available. I just don't. I'm an expert in other areas and can't also be an expert in this one. The opportunity costs are too high.
I tried reading the post earlier on HOW TO mod the rom but that's just a small part of the equation. WHICH rom? Why? what other applications? Etc.
There's something called comparative advantage. It means that - for at least one person here I hope - it is better for both of us for me to do what I'm good at, and use the revenue from that to compensate you for your expertise in X1A modifications.
If everyone took the approach of having to personally learn how to do everything they wanted to do, I would be out of a job and they would get a bad result or run out of time.
I think there's a certain elitism that some people hold, and it's probably a big reason as to why Linux hasn't gotten anywhere in the main stream, but I know that not everyone is so elitist so I'm hopeful that at least one of you who is an expert in this area would like to earn a fair amount over a period of an hour or two.
Anyway, PM me if interested. Posting here would probably get you labeled a "sellout" by your peers.

Angelusz said:
Although you did feel compelled to rub your alleged achievements in his face, you didn't stop to actually read his post and understand what he's trying to convey. Now don't get me wrong - I mean no offense here, but you do have to understand that you joined a community that has a certain way of dealing with things. You're one of the many (many!) "new guys" that thinks (right or wrong, regardless) that they have a really good idea. This time you got the pre-programmed (or so it seems) response.
In my opinion you portray yourself a bit too selfless, regarding the starting a whole new industry. Fact remains that you posted here because you need help, not us (starting a new industry).
Having said that - I'm sure someone here will be interested in helping you out. If I understand correctly you're offering money for the service ("green rectangles") - perhaps this question belongs in the marketplace - I don't know.
If your search proves fruitless, you may PM me as a last resort - I could teach you the ropes.
Good luck, and enjoy your stay at XDA!
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I'm a customer. I didn't rub achievements in his face, I explained how the world works. He told me I either have to join the club or f' off, essentially, and I'm afraid that's not how the world really works. Even open source developers have to pay their mortgage.

synpax said:
I'm a customer. I didn't rub achievements in his face, I explained how the world works. He told me I either have to join the club or f' off, essentially, and I'm afraid that's not how the world really works. Even open source developers have to pay their mortgage.
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Alright, perhaps I misunderstood. That's just how it came across to me.
I think that Jackleung made a good point - it might be a good idea to be a bit more specific as to what you want.
As in the scenario you described earlier, here people also have specializations within certain parts of modifying the ROM/software. With a bit of specificity you might just find the right guy(/girl) for the job.

I'm not saying that you have to either join the club or screw off.
all that I'm saying is that if your willing to pay money and get someone to teach you the steps of getting things done and all that. why not spend a little time here and read some of the posts that people have posted up?
most tutorial posts here are all written up in steps, it's simple, easy, and direct.
and like the other guys have been saying all this time, you need to be more specific as to what you want so that the other members here can help you.
and similar to what I said from my first reply to you. I'm in no way trying to be rude to you or offend you in any sense. I just wanted to give you a little suggestion to help that's all.

synpax said:
Maybe this better fits in Marketplace but I have a feeling that the expertise I am looking for lives here and not there.
I do not have time to become an expert in Rom modification and an expert in the variety of ROMs available, or in all of the applications available. I just don't. I'm an expert in other areas and can't also be an expert in this one. The opportunity costs are too high.
I tried reading the post earlier on HOW TO mod the rom but that's just a small part of the equation. WHICH rom? Why? what other applications? Etc.
There's something called comparative advantage. It means that - for at least one person here I hope - it is better for both of us for me to do what I'm good at, and use the revenue from that to compensate you for your expertise in X1A modifications.
If everyone took the approach of having to personally learn how to do everything they wanted to do, I would be out of a job and they would get a bad result or run out of time.
I think there's a certain elitism that some people hold, and it's probably a big reason as to why Linux hasn't gotten anywhere in the main stream, but I know that not everyone is so elitist so I'm hopeful that at least one of you who is an expert in this area would like to earn a fair amount over a period of an hour or two.
Anyway, PM me if interested. Posting here would probably get you labeled a "sellout" by your peers.
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synpax said:
I'm a customer. I didn't rub achievements in his face, I explained how the world works. He told me I either have to join the club or f' off, essentially, and I'm afraid that's not how the world really works. Even open source developers have to pay their mortgage.
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asian_boi said:
all that I'm saying is that if your willing to pay money and get someone to teach you the steps of getting things done and all that. why not spend a little time here and read some of the posts that people have posted up?
most tutorial posts here are all written up in steps, it's simple, easy, and direct.
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I agreed to his "comparative advantage" theory. It's true it's more effective if everyone works on his/her specialty. (e.g. I gave up to teach my wife how to config (not even rom cooking) WM phone. I rather configure it for her... )
And least synpax stated very clearly he is willing to pay. Unlike some suckers who request free service without do his/her own readings. But again, it's more effective if synpax can list some of your spec/requirement here first.
orelsi, please stop your pointless and harassal reply.

Root achieved for our device!!!

Geohot has achieved root for the at&t galaxy s5 but according to him, he is not releasing the method. You can go to the verizon forums to check it out and check out the proof. Everyone needs to beg him for release.
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miller1821 said:
Geohot has achieved root for the at&t galaxy s5 but according to him, he is not releasing the method. You can go to the verizon forums to check it out and check out the proof. Everyone needs to beg him for release.
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and begging someone for a release will surely get geo to release something lol. wouldnt it be better to link to the exploit used and post link to thread youre referencing?
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If there's a dev capable and willing to work on this I swear I'll turn this phone off for a month just in case there's a ninja update. Lol
Also, my pledge is still active js. Only $100 but still.

chronicaust said:
If there's a dev capable and willing to work on this I swear I'll turn this phone off for a month just in case there's a ninja update. Lol
Also, my pledge is still active js. Only $100 but still.
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Dunno....sounds kinda flaky, to claim root but not post proof/method....
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2780319&page=4

This guy is legit whether or not he posts root or not. He is known all over the community as being one of the best hackers there is. He is the one who cane up with the jailbreak for the ps3. He got scared off by sony and now is afraid to release anything but you can count on what he says because he wouldnt ruin his reputation in the community.
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miller1821 said:
This guy is legit whether or not he posts root or not. He is known all over the community as being one of the best hackers there is. He is the one who cane up with the jailbreak for the ps3. He got scared off by sony and now is afraid to release anything but you can count on what he says because he wouldnt ruin his reputation in the community.
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Not discounting geohot, he is well known but why ask for testers if he is never going to release and if he does prove root (other than with a copy paste text message) in order to obtain the bounty he NEEDS to post. I have had cease and desist orders by mfgs before and it has not stopped me from posting anything.
Personally I think it's kind of lame to claim you have root for the device but deny the community access to the method.

cstayton said:
Not discounting geohot, he is well known but why ask for testers if he is never going to release and if he does prove root (other than with a copy paste text message) in order to obtain the bounty he NEEDS to post. I have had cease and desist orders by mfgs before and it has not stopped me from posting anything.
Personally I think it's kind of lame to claim you have root for the device but deny the community access to the method.
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I understand why he is fearful of releasing this. Being sued sucks. That being said i personally don't think he has anything to fear. i believe android is an open source software. As far as i understand you should be able to develop the software to fit the needs of the people you are trying to serve. He may just need to remember that. AT&T or Samsung do not have ownership of android.

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In for process to be released.

I'm pretty sure the reason he posted that he achieved root but not releasing it, is because he knows Samsung looks at this forum, and now he is waiting for Samsung/AT&T/Verizon to contact him with an offer ($$$$) to keep him quiet and help them patch the vulnerability.

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I know they say "A picture is worth a thousand words." but in this case I'm going to remain extremely skeptical.
the pic doesn't prove that the method is reproducible.

cstayton said:
Not discounting geohot, he is well known but why ask for testers if he is never going to release and if he does prove root (other than with a copy paste text message) in order to obtain the bounty he NEEDS to post. I have had cease and desist orders by mfgs before and it has not stopped me from posting anything.
Personally I think it's kind of lame to claim you have root for the device but deny the community access to the method.
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i have a feeling that, legally speaking, you may get into more trouble by taking $ for releasing an exploit than if you just released it as free public knowledge. and i have no idea why it would be illegal im just saying considering his past it's probably wise to be extra cautious. the bounty probably just isn't worth it to him.

cstayton said:
I know they say "A picture is worth a thousand words." but in this case I'm going to remain extremely skeptical.
the pic doesn't prove that the method is reproducible.
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Its legit, just that the vulnerability used may prove to be quite difficult for most devs to exploit. Here's hoping some brilliant mind out there picks it up and actually is able to release something.

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Its legit, just that the vulnerability used may prove to be quite difficult for most devs to exploit. Here's hoping some brilliant mind out there picks it up and actually is able to release something.
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No denying that the vulnerability is ligit, I have actually read thru the vuln report so I am aware it is valid, the fact is that there is no proff that it can be replicated.
in the scheme of things there is probably several dozen exploits that could accomplish the exact same thing but are not reproduceable with any kind of regularity.
it it truly took him four days just to get the root on his phone that is an exploit that would be considered not reproduceable.

cstayton said:
No denying that the vulnerability is ligit, I have actually read thru the vuln report so I am aware it is valid, the fact is that there is no proff that it can be replicated.
in the scheme of things there is probably several dozen exploits that could accomplish the exact same thing but are not reproduceable with any kind of regularity.
it it truly took him four days just to get the root on his phone that is an exploit that would be considered not reproduceable.
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Definition of reproducible
1. To produce a counterpart, image, or copy of.
3. To produce again or anew; re-create.
SOURCE: www.thefreedictionary.com
I don't know about you, but 4 days would be worth it for me. It is reproducible if it can be done again, regardless of the time. I've waited since April to get root, and you think 4 days out of those two months is going to stop me from rooting it if I got the chance? Besides, it probably took him 4 days to get his act together to think it through, plan it, then make a package to carry it out. It takes you probably months, if not years, to make a video game entirely, but that doesn't mean it takes the same amount of time to get it set up and start playing it on your system. The devs work on the back ends, we get the package and use it on the front end. Finding root for this device wasn't easy for George, I would think. But he worked on finding the method, exploiting it, then used his knowledge to take control of the device and root it in one go. Take time to set up the game plan, act it all out at once. He doesn't have to tell how he did it, but he gave his vulnerability and to any of us I don't think time matters anymore.
It only matters about catching our chance to root while we still have it.
EDIT : Sorry, I reread that and it seems a little ill-mannered, but no offense intended.

SkyAttacksX said:
Definition of reproducible
1. To produce a counterpart, image, or copy of.
3. To produce again or anew; re-create.
SOURCE: www.thefreedictionary.com
I don't know about you, but 4 days would be worth it for me. It is reproducible if it can be done again, regardless of the time. I've waited since April to get root, and you think 4 days out of those two months is going to stop me from rooting it if I got the chance? Besides, it probably took him 4 days to get his act together to think it through, plan it, then make a package to carry it out. It takes you probably months, if not years, to make a video game entirely, but that doesn't mean it takes the same amount of time to get it set up and start playing it on your system. The devs work on the back ends, we get the package and use it on the front end. Finding root for this device wasn't easy for George, I would think. But he worked on finding the method, exploiting it, then used his knowledge to take control of the device and root it in one go. Take time to set up the game plan, act it all out at once. He doesn't have to tell how he did it, but he gave his vulnerability and to any of us I don't think time matters anymore.
It only matters about catching our chance to root while we still have it.
EDIT : Sorry, I reread that and it seems a little ill-mannered, but no offense intended.
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LOL, no offense taken, I am probably the worlds worst skeptic I guess my idea of reproduceable is readily or easily and I don't think four days qualifies as either.

cstayton said:
LOL, no offense taken, I am probably the worlds worst skeptic I guess my idea of reproduceable is readily or easily and I don't think four days qualifies as either.
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That's all fine, do you own an S5? If so, you'd consider 4 days nothing compared to how long we really had to wait xD

SkyAttacksX said:
That's all fine, do you own an S5? If so, you'd consider 4 days nothing compared to how long we really had to wait xD
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yes i own a S5 and in the grand scheme of hacking and providing useable methods to members of the community I DO consider 4 days to be to excessive

cstayton said:
yes i own a S5 and in the grand scheme of hacking and providing useable methods to members of the community I DO consider 4 days to be to excessive
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4 days of hell trying to root, years to come without worrying about it again

Note 3 guys have been waiting longer.

IF somebody would pay you to go to prison , what would be your price?

THIS IS A SOCIAL EXPERIMENT ! I WILL TELL YOU WHAT IT MEANS IN A FEW DAYS
IF somebody would pay you to go to prison for Auto theft 1 year , what would be your price?
Please make a realistic amount as possible, lets see what people think about it
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About $1mil if I was taking the blame, cause of charges stacking up while I'm away, plus pay for taking the blame.
If everyone new I was innocent, and I was doing a anonymous review of the prisons or something where people who knew me knew I was innocent and I was just in for the money, $500,000 sounds fair.
Interested what this means though.

On the charges of grand theft? Hell No.
It's not so much the prison sentence that bothers me as the fact that you'll forever have to deal with the criminal record. You'll never get a visa to enter half the countries in the world, you'll never get a decent job again, it'll affect your family, your friends, your kids, your grandkids...
12 of my friends are police officers and detectives. Their association with me would cost them their careers, their jobs and their reputation. They've never done anything to deserve that.
Not worth it.
Even if it earns you 500 million, that money is just as illegal and will just land you in prison again and you'll never see the money.
Besides, 98% of people here wouldn't survive a week in prison.

ShadowLea said:
On the charges of grand theft? Hell No.
It's not so much the prison sentence that bothers me as the fact that you'll forever have to deal with the criminal record. You'll never get a visa to enter half the countries in the world, you'll never get a decent job again, it'll affect your family, your friends, your kids, your grandkids...
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I'm not really interested in going overseas and work is in demand so I don't believe a criminal record would affect me too much. Besides, it's only 1 year in prison, so the crime wasn't too major.
If out was murder or life sentence or something like that, I would agree with you.
ShadowLea said:
Even if it earns you 500 million, that money is just as illegal and will just land you in prison again and you'll never see the money.
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HYPOTHETICAL SITUATION ALERT! Your thinking a little too deeply. It's a social experiment, not a life and death situation.

Jesse72 said:
I'm not really interested in going overseas and work is in demand so I don't believe a criminal record would affect me too much. Besides, it's only 1 year in prison, so the crime wasn't too major.
If out was murder or life sentence or something like that, I would agree with you.
HYPOTHETICAL SITUATION ALERT! Your thinking a little too deeply. It's a social experiment, not a life and death situation.
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What's a point of an experiment if the answers are all fake? The results are only suited for the rubbish-bin if it's a 'in a perfect world' settings.
OP wanted serious answers, not 'It's a videogame, and nothing you do matters'.
The whole idea of a social experiment is to get an idea of what people would do in real life. As such these are entirely unsuited for the internet, because everyone lies. Everyone thinks they're tough, smart and invincible. Nobody wants to admit they're a 40 year old sitting at home with their wife yelling at them to take out the thrash, or a 16 year old who isn't even allowed to drive yet. No, they're all Rambo.
I'm speaking of bachelor/phd level jobs, not streetcleaners. Even low-level work, nearly every job here requires a socalled 'declaration of good behavior'. (Even cleaning offices and schools). If you've got a criminal record, you can't supply that document and you're not legally able to get the job.
Western Europe's not as accepting of crime as other parts of the world. In the USA you can become a politician with a criminal record. Here you can't even become lorry driver.
As for not going overseas, I want to visit Australia, New Zealand and Canada at least once in my life. You're not welcome there with a GTA charge, nor any criminal charge for that matter.

15 million dollars distributed as monthly payments over 15 years and adjusted for inflation every year.

Freedom is piceless...
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ShadowLea said:
Western Europe's not as accepting of crime as other parts of the world. In the USA you can become a politician with a criminal record. Here you can't even become lorry driver.
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Ok, well I guess that's why our answers are different. In Australia a criminal record does not mean your lifes over, though you can't do certain jobs like a police officer or school teacher. Of course your unlikely to be chosen for the job against someone with the same qualifications, work ethic etc, but no criminal record, but the job I do is specialized, without enough people in the industry, and in no way relies on me to work with children, dangerous explosives etc, so I believe that a small criminal record would not affect me too much.
Besides we were all convicts anyway ?
Different situations, different people, different answers.
ShadowLea said:
As for not going overseas, I want to visit Australia, New Zealand and Canada at least once in my life. You're not welcome there with a GTA charge, nor any criminal charge for that matter.
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I recommend you visit Australia, it's a great place. When your in New Zealand, make lots of sheep jokes ?
I have relatives in New Zealand.
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Money is money.
Besides its only one year locked up.

If somebody paid me to go to prison? Sure I could for, depends on for how long.
But seriously, he would have to pay me up front, then I would hire a judge to get him into prison!
And that's how we roll

haha, I would sell my soul fro money, no way. I'm a good girl

That's easy... An Emma Watson kiss :highfive:

I wouldn't go if it's me going. But if a friend asked me to assume his identity for a million euros, I'd do it. I'd get out a year later with my record clean and a million euros richer! ?

$60,000 paid all at once upon my release, I'd do it.
Sent from my Desire 510

A margarita

I agree with @ShadowLea .
No one here would even survive one week prison.
Basically are almost all the developers here big thinkers, big talkers but they are having a small physical performance in real life.
I won't do it also.
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I stand by my answer, but that's because I already live outside the typical 'norms' of society. I have a job that only requires that I possess the guts and skills to do the job, and that I show up consistently and do it. I'm a roofer. When I get out, people will still need roofs. I don't pay taxes, I don't vote or ask permission to travel, domestically or abroad. I do what I do, and I don't let anyone, including the government, get in my way. I help others before myself. I expect nothing, tomorrow is not guaranteed, so every waking moment is a blessing. A year in prison would not be the worst thing that's ever happened to me by far. I could use a large sum of money to do some really interesting and worthwhile things.
Most XDA'ers probably would have a really tough time spending a year in prison. For me, it wouldn't be so tough. If it's a prison near me, I probably already know a few people there. It's 3 hots & a cot for a year, with a knot of cash at the end of it. Sign me up, I'll smuggle a smartphone in up my butt to stay entertained in my cell lol.
Jk bout the cell phone up my butt
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I would never do this because I could not enjoy the cash earned. Life is short you know.

Maynard100 said:
I would never do this because I could not enjoy the cash earned. Life is short you know.
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Well sayd there.. short and priceless. But with 5 millions .. i'll do some jail joking

A bit like @huggs, I believe I would be tough enough to stand prison. I'm not some weak developer who lives on the couch of an apartment 24/7. I live in the country, on a farm, I know how to defend myself.
I have nothing against generalisations, but don't use them to describe everyone.
Anyway, @JeremyMartin139, when will you reveal what it means?

Mmm... I sell my freedom for immortality xD

Pathetic Honor People and support

I recently learnt programing and started android app development. Very enthusiastically I bought an honor play device and what I learn now is that the Bootloader cannot be unlocked because these pathetic people have decided not to let people unlock their devices... why because they put a spy chip and software in their device and don't want us to block traffic for it and their pathetic ads!!
Never buy honor again
Following are the tweets I made to honor today!
@huaweiPhones 
 @huaweiMobile 
 @hihonorIndia
When someone buys a device it's theirs'. They decide what to do with it! What rights do you have to prevent someone from doing what they want to do with their phones. Let people unlock their bootloaders.
#donotbuyhuawei
#dontbuyhonor
@huaweiMobile When someone buys a device it's theirs'. They decide what to do with it! How can you; in fact what rights do you have to prevent someone from doing what they want to do with their phones. Let people unlock their bootloaders. #donotbuyhuawei
I hope it makes some sense to them...
what do you have to say about it? Do you agree?
Let Me Know and put in on other forums..

At least, learn to show little respect even when things aren't right or good about their products. The right approach in addressing such complain is to be civil about it.

Respect people only until they are worthy of it!
pja1985430 said:
At least, learn to show little respect even when things aren't right or good about their products. The right approach in addressing such complain is to be civil about it.
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I did in the beginning...
Following was my communication with these retards...
I was being very respectful but stupid coercive Chinese people are going to bear the burnt of their actions soon!
being a developer I find it difficult to integrate app in the system making it resistant to formatting. Pls provide me the bootloader code. Thanks and Regards.
Honor India
@dhamalRohit Thank you for getting in touch with us. We request you to please visit nearest service center in order to get bootloader code. You can find nearest service center details from HiCare app or by visiting the link: - https://www.hihonor.com/in/support/service-center/index.html … and service center works Monday to Saturday 10 A.M to 6 P.M. We request you to carry your device invoice copy with IMEI number mentioned on it, photo ID proof and take the backup of all your important data (if possible) before visiting to service center.
Jan 20
Rohit Dhamal
sure, thank you very much! with your help and cooperation I can contribute to the developer community in a better way!
Rohit Dhamal
Honor always better than the best!
Honor India
@dhamalRohit Thank you for the compliment. Your support keeps us going.
Jan 21
Rohit Dhamal
Hi. I am at the ashtavinayak service center kalyan Mumbai. They don't have any idea about bootloader unlock and code. Can you forward it directly, or talk to the technical person?
Honor India
@dhamalRohit Sorry for the inconvenience caused to you. We request you to kindly share your contact details and device model name so that we can assist you in the best possible way.
Jan 25
Rohit Dhamal
Sure, thanks. My mobile number is **********. Email:******
Device is honor play.
Rohit Dhamal
IMEI1:*****
IMEI2:******
SN:+++++++
Honor India
@dhamalRohit As per the telephonic conversation we have addressed your concern. Kindly visit our authorized nearest service center in order to get Bootloader unlock code for your device. You can find nearest service center details from HiCare app or by visiting the link: - https://www.hihonor.com/in/support/service-center/index.html … and service center works Monday to Saturday 10 A.M to 6 P.M. We request you to carry your device invoice copy with IMEI number mentioned on it, photo ID proof and take the backup of all your important data (if possible) before visiting to service center.
Jan 25
Rohit Dhamal
Hi.. As discussed over the phone I Visited the akshay service center at kalyan. Unfortunately the centre closed down a month ago. I am quite fed up of visiting every single location. Kindly possibly send me the code itself by mail or message. The said akshay center was taken over by ashtavinayak service as per info available.
Rohit Dhamal
Hello, can we reach a solution please? My development is completely stalled due to the bootloader issue.
Honor India
@dhamalRohit As per the telephonic conversation we have addressed your concern. We have raised the complaint with this (SR220190128112952400) complaint number. Kindly wait for some time our relevant team will contact you soon.
Jan 28
Rohit Dhamal
Thank you very much for your support. I will definitely visit the service center ASAP. Thanks once again.
Rohit Dhamal
Hello,
My hardships do not seem to end. The honor service center people asked me to keep back my phone with them for a day for a procedure of less than 5 min.
Why can't they just hand me over the code and finish off in 5 seconds? My development has stalled and the student group involved in the project will get a memo for delays in work. Pls resolve the issue.

>Want to program apps for android which doesn't require the bootloader to be unlocked
>Complains about bootloader being locked and the ads.
Why you bought this phone without researching about it's software?

Hmmmm .. you really should do some research before buying your next device !

You seniors are useless
You senior members supporting honor company same on you. They pay you for it.lol. @The Mero @restlesssoul
I support you @rohitdhamal

Hey Ashishvala15 ... .. yeah i do support honor and xiaomi , because they make good budget phones .. not that you would understand that of course sitting there writing fake posts are about phones you dont even own .. Now whos the one making the money again ???

Don't say that you are a developer if you are too lazy to search about the device before buying.

It's funny how people think that just because they pay the money they can do whatever they want. Big companies lock their bootloaders it raise huge amounts of security concerns. A primary one being the wrong people being able to change their imei numbers with a rooted device. I'm pretty sure you might need the code for good reasons but there are thousands more who would use it for all the wrong reasons. In which case the company clearly reserves the right of whether or not to provide the codes.

Rohit honor is the **** and you are arguing with some shot makers here aswell. I have waste the my time with service centre guyz and result was similar. Now they mentioning that they dont wanna give code ans this msg came from call center guyz. I dnt know whT to do now apart from the last phons from honor am using now.
Who ever want to defend honor about bootloader code idgf.
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rohitdhamal said:
I recently learnt programing and started android app development. Very enthusiastically I bought an honor play device and what I learn now is that the Bootloader cannot be unlocked because these pathetic people have decided not to let people unlock their devices... why because they put a spy chip and software in their device and don't want us to block traffic for it and their pathetic ads!!
Never buy honor again
Following are the tweets I made to honor today!
@huaweiPhones
@huaweiMobile
@hihonorIndia
When someone buys a device it's theirs'. They decide what to do with it! What rights do you have to prevent someone from doing what they want to do with their phones. Let people unlock their bootloaders.
#donotbuyhuawei
#dontbuyhonor
@huaweiMobile When someone buys a device it's theirs'. They decide what to do with it! How can you; in fact what rights do you have to prevent someone from doing what they want to do with their phones. Let people unlock their bootloaders. #donotbuyhuawei
I hope it makes some sense to them...
what do you have to say about it? Do you agree?
Let Me Know and put in on other forums..
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Have u ever bought an iPhone. The reason u bought the honor play is it is cheap with flagship processor
And I am pretty sure that u dint buy the honor play to just to unlock bootloader and install other roms
U should know because of there competition u r getting better phone day by day

Uh, guys, could you please stop that slang?
The forum language is english.
I don't understand much of your slang talk!

Wow there is a lot of cr*p here. If you BUY a product, you should be allowed to use it AS IT SUITS YOU.
- Imagine buying a car, with the company refusing you to go in a different garage than theirs. You can't put new tires, can't change the oil or can't refuel without their consent.
- When you ask why, they respond it is for security measures : you could install unauthorized parts, change the serial number... All presenting security issues.
- When you say you bought that car, that it belongs to you ; they respond they made it. It belong to the them. You are merely a user.
Do you see where I'm getting to? You are deliberatetly lying to us, presenting theses arguments ; or worse, you believe them and you should seriously reconsider your opinions.
The truth is : they don't want you to unlock the bootloader, to root your phone, because you will make them lose a loooooot of money in ad, product placement...
They spy, yes. As everyone else does. Sony do. Samsung do. Apple do.

Mazzeru said:
Wow there is a lot of cr*p here. If you BUY a product, you should be allowed to use it AS IT SUITS YOU.
- Imagine buying a car, with the company refusing you to go in a different garage than theirs. You can't put new tires, can't change the oil or can't refuel without their consent.
- When you ask why, they respond it is for security measures : you could install unauthorized parts, change the serial number... All presenting security issues.
- When you say you bought that car, that it belongs to you ; they respond they made it. It belong to the them. You are merely a user.
Do you see where I'm getting to? You are deliberatetly lying to us, presenting theses arguments ; or worse, you believe them and you should seriously reconsider your opinions.
The truth is : they don't want you to unlock the bootloader, to root your phone, because you will make them lose a loooooot of money in ad, product placement...
They spy, yes. As everyone else does. Sony do. Samsung do. Apple do.
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Excuse me if I will hurt somebody's feelings.
I read this topic periodically and feel like now I should make a point.
If you have bought a phone with an unlockable bootloader and suffering now. Your'e kind of idiot just because of one thing. There's an official statement from Huawei regarding this topic. Google it first. buy second.
And if you would think that any IT company should let you do anything with the product you've bought then I feel sorry for you cause you're wrong. When you buy a phone you buy a thing with listed specifications:
-wi-fi, voice calls, battery capacity, android X OS, etc
If the feature is listed and you can't use it cause it has been restricted to you for any cause then it is total **** up from manufacturer. But if it is an optional like bootloader unlock or voice recording then you shouldnt be so angry. Cause before buy you have to make sure that the thing fits you.
Security reasons thing... I dont have exact numbers but I'm pretty sure that there are so few people use unlocked bootloader among ALL smartphone users community so companies not worried aboud loosing money on ads, apps, etc.
The real security reason is to avoid revers engineering of their software. And they can do it cause it's their right to protect their intellectual property.
P.S
Yeah, I feel sad too cause I can't unlock my phone and decompile system apps and making some changes in system software. But... My phone is great for the money I spend on it. It works as it should. And I don't regret buying it at all

Some honor bhakts are barking here too. A **** company
#dontbuyhuawei #dontbuyhonor

rajit said:
Some honor bhakts are barking here too. A **** company
#dontbuyhuawei #dontbuyhonor
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Wow xD talk about funny things happening! I'm sorry I didn't recognize you! You are the loser from the other thread!! So this is why you're so pissed xD you wanted to unlock your bootloader but you can't?! I'd say Huawei ssccrreeweedd you nice and good huh! xD Don't worry though, I am not going to educate you(if you know what I mean)here too, I have realised that you not capable of learning even to talk properly on international level forums.
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Mazzeru said:
Wow there is a lot of cr*p here. If you BUY a product, you should be allowed to use it AS IT SUITS YOU.
- Imagine buying a car, with the company refusing you to go in a different garage than theirs. You can't put new tires, can't change the oil or can't refuel without their consent.
- When you ask why, they respond it is for security measures : you could install unauthorized parts, change the serial number... All presenting security issues.
- When you say you bought that car, that it belongs to you ; they respond they made it. It belong to the them. You are merely a user.
Do you see where I'm getting to? You are deliberatetly lying to us, presenting theses arguments ; or worse, you believe them and you should seriously reconsider your opinions.
The truth is : they don't want you to unlock the bootloader, to root your phone, because you will make them lose a loooooot of money in ad, product placement...
They spy, yes. As everyone else does. Sony do. Samsung do. Apple do.
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So.. Supposedly you own a ferrari then You do realize that if you take your car to some xyz workshop and he replaces parts for some cheaper ones and screw with you engine or put the wrong oil in your ferrari then the car will die out on you? And that that's why the ferrari always asks you to service your car at authorised service centers? What I want you to understand is that you are free to find the codes yourself, if you make your fone explode by doing experiments on it then that's on you. And as for changing Tyres of a car, man that's like changing the cover of a fone because it's worn out, you are free to do that too and anything else you want to do with your device, just don't expect the company to help you do it and don't bad mouth the company for that. I honestly love my honor play, it is everything that I expected it to be except of course low light pictures but I can live with that because I don't click much pictures anyway in low light. Every fone will have something less, there is no such thing as perfect fone, the question is whether you can live with that or not and if can't then do your research and buy what you need. If you have already bought it then sell it to someone who doesn't care about bootloader unlocking and all. Simple. Peace out.

Ghost52367 said:
Wow xD talk about funny things happening! I'm sorry I didn't recognize you! You are the loser from the other thread!! So this is why you're so pissed xD you wanted to unlock your bootloader but you can't?! I'd say Huawei ssccrreeweedd you nice and good huh! xD Don't worry though, I am not going to educate you(if you know what I mean)here too, I have realised that you not capable of learning even to talk properly on international level forums.
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So.. Supposedly you own a ferrari then You do realize that if you take your car to some xyz workshop and he replaces parts for some cheaper ones and screw with you engine or put the wrong oil in your ferrari then the car will die out on you? And that that's why the ferrari always asks you to service your car at authorised service centers? What I want you to understand is that you are free to find the codes yourself, if you make your fone explode by doing experiments on it then that's on you. And as for changing Tyres of a car, man that's like changing the cover of a fone because it's worn out, you are free to do that too and anything else you want to do with your device, just don't expect the company to help you do it and don't bad mouth the company for that. I honestly love my honor play, it is everything that I expected it to be except of course low light pictures but I can live with that because I don't click much pictures anyway in low light. Every fone will have something less, there is no such thing as perfect fone, the question is whether you can live with that or not and if can't then do your research and buy what you need. If you have already bought it then sell it to someone who doesn't care about bootloader unlocking and all. Simple. Peace out.
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Awesome dude

Like, man, Huawei is possibly the worst choice of phone for experimenting with ROMs and rooting. There are many other root friendly brands like Xiaomi, OnePlus etc.

I think Honor should be more particular about updates if they want to keep their bootloader locked. Its not possible for people to purchase a new device every year. They also sometimes ruined their camera to push customers to buy new phones ex Honor 6x and Honor Play

I agree that refusing giving unlock codes has many disadvantages, but I think Huawei may want to protect its technology. For example, they surely don't want you know how GPU TURBO and Ark Compiler work.