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Comparison between the original Nexus S 1500 mAh battery and the 1440 mAh Samsung battery​
General settings:
- brightness set to maximum (100%)
- screen timeout set to maximum (30 mins)
- GPS ON / wireless networks ON (for Google Maps)
- Mobile Data ON
- 3G ON
- Sync ON (Contacts, GMail, Calendar, Reader + SiMi weather each 3 hours)
- WI-FI OFF
- Bluetooth OFF
Services running under the test (I'm not sure these DO have an impact on battery life, but just to be on the safe-side):
- SiMiClock
- 3G Watchdog
- other Android-specific services
Services cached under the test (again, i'm not really sure these count, but I wrote them down in case someone finds something weird or has questions):
- Android Agenda Widget
- Google Reader
- GTasks
- LED Light
- Brightness Level
- other essential Android-specific services
Testing conditions:
- Nexus S i9020-T version, 2.3.4 stock ROM, unlocked bootloader, stock recovery, stock kernel.
- each of the 2 batteries was plugged into the phone, charged till the phone said "Charging complete" (that meant 96% in each case), then discharged till 0%, until the phone shut down by itself.
- keep the screen ON at all times; yes, that means check every 30 mins (because of the screen timeout) and slide a finger across the screen to re-activate the 30 mins timeout timer AGAIN (and again... and again, etc. etc., every 30 mins).
- signal strength 11 asu (+/- 2 asu); check this in Status under About Phone.
- in each test, the phone was placed in the exact same place, it was not moved.
- sync was enabled, but I get emails like one per week, so the sync activity was very low (only Google Reader sync every hour).
- no activity on the phone whatsoever (phone calls in/out, sms in/out).
Battery performance comparison:
1500 mAh battery (top at 96%) = 2h 44mins (the original Nexus S battery)
1440 mAh battery (top at 96%) = 2h 26mins (the OEM Samsung 1440 mAh battery)
In each of the 2 tests, the battery % usage was:
- Display - 78%
- GPS - 14%
- gpsd - 5% (I never saw this thing until now; WTF is it ?!)
- Android System - 3%
Verdict:
Well, the OEM Samsung 1440 mAh battery didn't add up to the performance of the original 1500 mAh Nexus S battery, as I hoped, but it packed quite a punch. The difference between the 2 isn't all that bad in real life situation, but the ~20 mins difference out of a total of 3 hours could scare some people away. Anyway, if you compare it to other <1600 mAh 3rd party batteries out there, I think you will get better results with this one. And, furthermore, it's the cheapest one (I think) at only 5$. How can you ask for more when it's THAT cheap, and made by Samsung ?
In the end, I have to say that for 5$, this OEM Samsung 1440 mAh battery is quite a bang for the buck !
PS: I forgot to tell you where you could ACTUALLY buy one of these if you so desire. Just do a search on eBay for the original Nexus S battery MODEL NUMBER. (AB653850CA)
Additional INFO:
1. The test is a derivate from Ploone's comparison test from his topic over here http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1058763 Thanks a lot man for the idea and for your video reviews !
2. I hope I was thorough enough. If some of you have questions, please, do ask, because maybe I have forgot something important.
3. Also, if you don't mind and have some spare time for this, could you please conduct the SAME test as I did to see some more results ? Because I still have the impression that my original 1500 mAh battery sucks. Thanks !
*Side-Note:
Ploone's review of the 1600 mAh Mugen Power battery indicated the following results:
3h 25 mins = 205 mins - 1600 mAh Mugen Power battery
4h 32 mins = 272 mins - 1500 mAh Nexus S battery
That's a ~1.327 ratio for the Nexus S battery.
From my comparison (yea, I know there are many variables changed in the testing methodology, but the ratio should stick with the batteries, despite the testing conditions):
2h 26 mins = 146 mins - 1440 mAh OEM Samsung battery
2h 44 mins = 164 mins - 1500 mAh Nexus S battery
That's a ~1.123 ratio for the Nexus S battery.
A greater ratio for the Nexus S battery means that it is more powerful than the opponent. So, because the ratio is smaller in the 1440 mAh Samsung comparison test than the ratio from Ploone's test, that should translate in the fact that the 1440 mAh battery is more powerful than the 1600 mAh battery. It's also 10 times cheaper (50$ vs 5$, aprox.), LOL ! (I'm not judging you, Ploone; I'm only judging that Mugen battery)
Nice review sir, thanks for mentioning me! Appreciated
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As for the charging test, I tested the charge time for both batteries, from 0% until the phone said "Charging complete" (top at 96%); the results didn't vary too much (10mins difference), so I continued the test on the original battery:
1500 mAh battery - Nexus S 700 mA wall charger = 3h 30mins
1500 mAh battery - Nexus S 500 mA USB data cable = 5h 30mins
1500 mAh battery - after-market 1.000 mA wall charger = 3h 30mins
1440 mAh battery - after-market 1.000 mA wall charger = 3h 20mins (-10 mins compared to the 1500mAh) :
60% in 1h 30 mins
70% in 1h 50 mins
80% in 2h 15 mins
96% in 3h 20 mins
Also, I have to add that the 1.000 mA 3rd party wall charger acts like the original 700mA charger. Guess the charging algorithms prevent the Nexus from drawing more than 700 mA (as the original charger can supply). Or something like that. If someone has a better explanation, I'd love to hear it, I'm really curious.
thanks for the review! I wonder if any of the 1650mah batteries found in the new Samsung phones like Droid Charge, Samsung Infusion would fit inside nexus s. Now that would be an upgrade.
Thanks a lot lambda30, I was waiting for this review. I guess I will order one!
You're all welcome !
I think I'm gonna order another one in a month or two, just to have a spare one. At 5 bucks, it's totally worth it. And I'm gonna kill that sucker all day long, instead of being scared that my battery will die on me, like I used to do up until now.
Until now, I just had the brightness at around 20%, Gtalk offline most of the time, Google Reader syncing manual. Now I'm on 75% brightness all the time, everything syncing + Gtalk online all day/night long, no GPS usage, Wi-fi OFF, 3G data on all the time. On the 1440 mAh, it stays up for around 18h with about 2h 30 mins screen on time.
I just finish charging to 96% before going to bed, loose about 10% until morning, and after the day, at about 19:00, I will still have about 10-20% remaining. It's pretty decent.
lambda30 said:
You're all welcome !
Now I'm on 75% brightness all the time, everything syncing + Gtalk online all day/night long, no GPS usage, Wi-fi OFF, 3G data on all the time. On the 1440 mAh, it stays up for around 18h with about 2h 30 mins screen on time.
I just finish charging to 96% before going to bed, loose about 10% until morning, and after the day, at about 19:00, I will still have about 10-20% remaining. It's pretty decent.
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So are you really getting 18hrs with 75% brightness and 2:30hrs of screentime? I have the original 1500mah battery but I hardly get 10hrs with 40% brightness and 2:30hrs of screen time.(nothing else major). Am I doing something wrong ?
thanks for ur review!!! i m gonna order a couple =DDD
Aras87 said:
So are you really getting 18hrs with 75% brightness and 2:30hrs of screentime? I have the original 1500mah battery but I hardly get 10hrs with 40% brightness and 2:30hrs of screen time.(nothing else major). Am I doing something wrong ?
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Why would I lie?
If you don't trust me, do the exact same battery power test from my first post, then compare the results and share them with us. I'm pretty curious.
@ lambda30
Thanks for your research. I know what spare batteries to get now.
I bought two of those 1440 mah batteries from ebay, one for me and one for a friend. I actually received one 1440 mah battery and one 1500 mah battery (says the label). Needless to say, i kept the 1500 mah one and gave him the 1440 mah one (my price for placing the order, haha). I have to say though it performs just as well as the stock battery. While i haven't performed tests or anything, It's impossible to tell the batteries apart performance wise for everyday usage.
For those that don't want to gamble on getting a junk battery or waiting for delivery. Read Amazon reviews for quite a few unhappy customers. Radio Shack has replacement 1440 mAh for $19.99 with 1 year warranty.
http://radioshack.lenmar.com/RS/PS.aspx?OEM=Samsung&CatID=1&Model=AB653850CA&DID=RS
Wiley_11 said:
For those that don't want to gamble on getting a junk battery or waiting for delivery. Read Amazon reviews for quite a few unhappy customers. Radio Shack has replacement 1440 mAh for $19.99 with 1 year warranty.
http://radioshack.lenmar.com/RS/PS.aspx?OEM=Samsung&CatID=1&Model=AB653850CA&DID=RS
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Neah, it doesn't happen like that with this one. I've seen the reviews for this item on eBay. Furthermore, with 19.99$ you can get 3 of these and surely, even if 1 out of 3 is broken, you still have the other 2. So again, you just CAN'T go wrong with this purchase.
Furthermore again, I don't trust 3rd party batteries at all. See the 1600 mAh Mugen example from my first post, the one that Ploone reviewed.
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Neah, it doesn't happen like that with this one. I've seen the reviews for this item on eBay. Furthermore, with 19.99$ you can get 3 of these and surely, even if 1 out of 3 is broken, you still have the other 2. So again, you just CAN'T go wrong with this purchase.
Furthermore again, I don't trust 3rd party batteries at all. See the 1600 mAh Mugen example from my first post, the one that Ploone reviewed.
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Personally I'm going with the cheap OEM. I posted your thread on AndroidCentral and some people sniveled about used/old batteries.
Lithium batteries don't get to full capacity until 4 or 5 charge cycles so that might have had an impact on Ploones review. At PreCentral somline did some extensive tests on batteries and Mugen did pretty well. Here's a link to one that didn't do so well.
http://forums.precentral.net/palm-p...ttention-dont-buy-seidio-innocell-1350-a.html
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Lithium batteries don't get to full capacity until 4 or 5 charge cycles so that might have had an impact on Ploones review.
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Maybe. I'll contact Ploone to see what's up.
From his thread:
Ploone said:
Yes I did, the batteries came with instructions on how to condition and cycle them, so I did so 4 times (the amount they recommended)
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So that's not the case/problem.
@lambda thanks for your review.
Would you mind telling us the name of the eBay seller so we can get the same ones and avoid knockoffs?
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I've ordered several 1440 mah batteries from ebay and I can't really tell the difference from the the 1500...
Sent from my NS running NSCollab cuz I lost my tin cans and string....
Ebay
I have an ebay one being shipped out to me now. I will report back seller info if the battery turns out to be good / similar to stock.
Babydoll25 said:
I've ordered several 1440 mah batteries from ebay and I can't really tell the difference from the the 1500...
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Well this (and other reviews/comments) concludes my research. So I'm not just advertising the product/seller.
Personally, I bought it from "accessorymallonline". But, because it comes in a sealed bag, it doesn't really matter from which buyer you get it.
I purchased the 3500 extended battery about 4 months ago. It was a great battery. It lasted me all day & then some off a single charge. Now it's not lasting as long as it used to. I'm having to charge in the middle of the day now. I put my original OEM battery in, & I'm getting better performance from it than with the 3500 battery now.
Anyone else experiencing less than stellar performance from the 3500 battery after having it for 4 months or longer?
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I purchased the 3500 extended battery about 4 months ago. It was a great battery. It lasted me all day & then some off a single charge. Now it's not lasting as long as it used to. I'm having to charge in the middle of the day now. I put my original OEM battery in, & I'm getting better performance from it than with the 3500 battery now.
Anyone else experiencing less than stellar performance from the 3500 battery after having it for 4 months or longer?
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I have the 2150 OEM, I can only suspect some reasons why
1) Cheap battery that does not hold charges well
2) You are draining the battery down to 0% a lot, killing the ability for it to keep a charge
3) Your phone is not calibrated properly so it shows it is charged to 100% but in fact it may have only charged it much lower
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I have the 2150 OEM, I can only suspect some reasons why
1) Cheap battery that does not hold charges well
2) You are draining the battery down to 0% a lot, killing the ability for it to keep a charge
3) Your phone is not calibrated properly so it shows it is charged to 100% but in fact it may have only charged it much lower
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1) It's a Seidio brand, not some knock off, so it should be of good quality. It's been working fine up until the past month or so. I've had it for over 4 months now.
2) I've never drained the battery down to 0%. Contacted Seidio and they suggested that I let it drain to 0% for the next 4 to 5 charges, along with charging it an additional 2-3 hours after a complete charge. I'll see if that helps.
3) I've always had to bump charge it. It helps in making it last longer.
I don't think bump charging is helping the longevity of your battery. Not saying it doesn't last longer on a charge, but that it isn't good for the battery's overall lifespan.
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3) I've always had to bump charge it. It helps in making it last longer.
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Draining all the way down and overcharging it are the biggest ways to kill it off. The Seideo and most other batteries I think have a fail-safe for draining it all the way down, cutting it off early before it actually does.
This article is pretty helpful about your battery, if you haven't had the chance to read it, it may benefit you:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=871051
Bump charging did it.....
Where's ma rosie at?
I have been using the 3500 for about the same length of time you have been. I haven't really noticed a drop off in performance. Maybe a very slight drop off.. not much though. Still could get 2-3 days use on one charge if I wanted to.
I have the same issue with my 3500. I will try to re-calibrate it.
4 months seems to be pretty quick for a decline in performance like that. I would press Seideo to replace it.
You can try resetting the cells to how they were when it was brand new. All you have to do is completely deplete the battery of all charge (so it wont even turn on) then short it out with 3x the voltage (a 9v battery should work, make sure to keep the polarity the same) and fully charge it again, then it will be like new!
My dad (who is an electrician) found a guide for this on ebay and bought it just for the hell of it to see if it worked. We tried it on a battery I had for an LG VX8300 I had at the time and it worked beautifully, I've been doing it ever since!
I have no idea how this works, all I know is that it just does.
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1) It's a Seidio brand, not some knock off, so it should be of good quality. It's been working fine up until the past month or so. I've had it for over 4 months now.
2) I've never drained the battery down to 0%. Contacted Seidio and they suggested that I let it drain to 0% for the next 4 to 5 charges, along with charging it an additional 2-3 hours after a complete charge. I'll see if that helps.
3) I've always had to bump charge it. It helps in making it last longer.
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When ever you get a new battery you must condition it, exactly as sedio said full charge it, then drain fully 5 times. It makes the battery last much longer
Sources: I built one for my robotics team
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I got some 3,500mAh cheapies off ebay about 6 months ago and they are holding up just fine. I always run mine down to about 5% then fully charge. I bump charge them about once a month.
Well of course... After I'm pimping how great these batteries are, one quit working! My phone would just shut off with a light tap against something so I pulled the black sticker off of the battery, pulled it all apart, found the loose connection, bent the tab to make better contact, and put it all back together. All is good again.
I recently purchased this same battery read tons of good reviews not sure how i feel about the bump charging after reading the article that was within this thread but all in all it is a giant leap beyond the stock battery now if i could just find a case that would fit around it
To the OP. If youre running a kernel with SBC (Superior battery charging [trickle charging] w/e you wanna call it) they're known to reduce your battery life. also you may wanna charge the battery to 100% then wipe the battery stats on your phone.
I have the same battery and I've found that the phone has trouble reporting the percentage correctly. It tends to make jumps of about 5-10% instead of a steady decline. I switched to the original battery and it did not have this problem. I've also noticed that clearing battery stats several times helps (most of the time). As far as bump charging goes, it's perfectly fine to bump charge these batteries. The worst thing you can do to them is discharge them all the way.
Clearing the stats and cycling the battery through the phone a few times should fix that. It does that (big percentage jumps) when it's poorly calibrated.
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Clearing the stats and cycling the battery through the phone a few times should fix that. It does that (big percentage jumps) when it's poorly calibrated.
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I second this. I have the same battery and its been off a few times. Battery stats get weird sometimes. It's certainly a better battery than the cheap Chinese batteries HTC uses.
Hello, I recently purchased the 3500mAh 3.7V extended battery for my dinc. Can someone tell me what voltage I should charge it up to? I am not seeing amazing results, so I believe that my battery is not completely calibrated. I did run it through multiple complete uses (fully charged, to drain, and repeat) so I don't know what the problem could be. Thanks.
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What were you expecting for battery life? Depending on the brand it may not be a real 3500mAh battery. One full discharge and recharge should be enough to calibrate the software though Li-Ion batteries have no memory in them. Check this out. It mentions extending the life on the battery but is still interesting stuff.
http://batteryuniversity.com/learn/article/how_to_prolong_lithium_based_batteries.
In fact that whole site has a lot of info on batteries.
Hey tiny. Well, from what I was reading about this battery, users got two full days with heavy usage (they described heavy usage to be streaming music, surfing the Web, testing, playing games, etc.) but, this is what I get, and it's the best I got (3 hours display,half an hour talk time). I even went down to gb to see if it would be good, but I didn't see much of a difference. And I did look at battery university a bit, but I didn't delve into the material. I'll check that link out.
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ra9b said:
Hey tiny. Well, from what I was reading about this battery, users got two full days with heavy usage (they described heavy usage to be streaming music, surfing the Web, testing, playing games, etc.) but, this is what I get, and it's the best I got (3 hours display,half an hour talk time). I even went down to gb to see if it would be good, but I didn't see much of a difference. And I did look at battery university a bit, but I didn't delve into the material. I'll check that link out.
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Wow, that's pretty abysmal for a 3500mAh battery, especially in a lower consuming device like the incredible. How does that compare to your stock battery? It should be at least 70-80% better assuming that it's not really a 3500mAh battery. It may be a false claim that it's 3500mAh from the makers. I think 4 hours screen time on 3500mAh should be more reasonable for about 35 hours total time. I usually get about 1-3 hours screen time over a period of 10-30 hours total on my Galaxy Nexus. On my Inc on CM7 with stock battery my usage allowed me to go up to 30 hours, usually 20 on a charge with 30% left I think but it's been a while and I don't know the screen on time. It might have been about 2 hours.
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Wow, that's pretty abysmal for a 3500mAh battery, especially in a lower consuming device like the incredible. How does that compare to your stock battery? It should be at least 70-80% better assuming that it's not really a 3500mAh battery. It may be a false claim that it's 3500mAh from the makers. I think 4 hours screen time on 3500mAh should be more reasonable for about 35 hours total time. I usually get about 1-3 hours screen time over a period of 10-30 hours total on my Galaxy Nexus. On my Inc on CM7 with stock battery my usage allowed me to go up to 30 hours, usually 20 on a charge with 30% left I think but it's been a while and I don't know the screen on time. It might have been about 2 hours.
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Yeah, that's why I am worried. And actually, my stock battery usually have me like a day with good use. When you put it in perspective, my 1300mAh battery gives me about 67% of the battery life that I get from a 3500 mAh battery. Is there any way I can measure the power of the battery? I take physics, so even finding a way to calculate the current, voltage, and/or resistance of the battery would help.
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Check batteryuniversity.com, they have a link for calculating the actual capacity, or if you know your model which you should you can Google for actual capacity. Someone probably has posted capacities of a battery.
just going to add that in my experience(I have 3 Dincs), just a 3500 mah battery isn;t going to give you amazing results on it;s own. power management on the Dinc requires some attention. i find that charging the battery in the phone doesn;t necessarily yield a full charge, especially if you are charging it while the OS is loaded(topping it off). so my strategy has been to run my batteries down to empty,replace with a fresh one and charge them in an external battery charger-but not just any charger but a RAVpower universal charger. I have an "official" Seido charger and that doesn;t charge my batteries fully either even though it thinks it has by showing a green LED. I know some people will say that batteries shouldn;t be treated like this and that they don;t suffer from memory effect so you are free to not do what I am doing.
the biggest things that use up the battery is the 3G radio and the Display so of course if you are just using your phone to do stuff non stop of course you'd be lucky to get 4-6 hours of usage. Even if you have your phone doing useful stuff over wifi like checking for email in the background, it does consume battery. but with my phone in Airplane mode(like overseas where I would have no 3G or Wifi), I;ve gotten a couple of days of Standby time.
other stuff I have done is remove any apks in memory that might be consuming cpu cycles and memory. less is more on a limited platform like the Dinc. biggest cpu hogs on my phone believe it or not is Facebook and Amazon App Store(my guess is that it;s periodically checking my licensing for some apps that I got from them). it;s not uncommon for me to boot up the phone and for the battery to go from 100% to 90% in 5 minutes as the phone is initializing and doing whatever it;s doing. then slowly deplete from from 90% to 80% in 8 hours or so.
tekweezle said:
it;s not uncommon for me to boot up the phone and for the battery to go from 100% to 90% in 5 minutes as the phone is initializing and doing whatever it;s doing. then slowly deplete from from 90% to 80% in 8 hours or so.
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Your battery gauge is lying to you (and it's not such a bad thing)
So, I looked through all of battery university, but i still have 1 unanswered question. The website states that most Li-ion batteries should be charged to a mximum voltage of 4.20 V. However, does this apply to all batteries? I mean, my extended battery is a 3.7V battery. Was the htc dinc original battery a 3.7 v battery? If the voltages are different, then wouldn't the 3.7V battery need to be charged to a higher voltage so that the potential difference would equal that of the original battery and thus store the same charge? (theoretically)
ra9b said:
So, I looked through all of battery university, but i still have 1 unanswered question. The website states that most Li-ion batteries should be charged to a mximum voltage of 4.20 V. However, does this apply to all batteries? I mean, my extended battery is a 3.7V battery. Was the htc dinc original battery a 3.7 v battery? If the voltages are different, then wouldn't the 3.7V battery need to be charged to a higher voltage so that the potential difference would equal that of the original battery and thus store the same charge? (theoretically)
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You could check wake lock detector on the play store to see what apps may be causing a partial wake lock... I know gmail and uccw cam cause a decent wake lock time
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zachf714 said:
You could check wake lock detector on the play store to see what apps may be causing a partial wake lock... I know gmail and uccw cam cause a decent wake lock time
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I did check that and I didny find anything very abnormal, since I already greenified those apps.
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I have the ZeroLemon 8500mAh Extended Battery for the LG G4, courtesy of ZeroLemon (thanks guys).
Now I've done the (text) review on Amazon and YouTube but you know I like to do a bit of a rewrite for here. In short, this is a case and very extended battery where the case also acts as the back cover. The extension of the battery is basically a rectangular cube stuck on the back of the stock battery. Sounds simple, and it works great.
As you know, my tests for these are basically torture tests. I'm sure some of you who strive for minimal power usage could get over a week of life. However, I prefer to turn off any power saving, throw on WiFi, Bluetooth, GPS etc, use Google Maps on full brightness while I'm driving etc. I have not changed my habits in any way for this test.
For some of the screenshots, I've used Better Battery Stats and Ampere
The initial charge (straight out of box) was reported as 66% and gave about 19hr 30min worth of battery life... straight out of the box without connecting it to a charger.
Test two was to fully recharge (on a QC3 charger) and then discharge: 26hr 17min battery life with 6hr 52min screen on from the last screenshot I took before it powered off, so the actual values will be higher. Again, some high power draw uses, I'm NOT going for maximum possible battery life here.
Test 3 was roughly the same, although somehow Better Battery Stats didn't record screen on time and I've only just realized: 32hr 24min battery life from the last screenshot I took before it powered off, so the actual value will be higher.
One final test I wanted to mention, I recharged the battery in about 2hrs with the phone off. When it was on and I was using it, it took around 4hrs. Very manageable times.
The video version of this review has more details (boy taking all those screenshots took a long time):
Overall, I like it. It makes your phone 18mm thick and weigh 279.9g. I'm just fine with that for the capacity it gives. Remember, those things are preferences, not measures of quality.
The attached pictures are of the battery and case, and then the last screenshots before the phone died on one of the discharge tests.
[I received a sample for an honest review]
Dude omg i waited for someone to write up a review for this battery! Man check out My Thread for my results. Now i have a battery that has 300mah less then yours. Question: are you using a battery charger? (Without the standard charger/cable) and are you charging the phone overnight and does it discharge faster then normal?
Seven hours of sot does not seem like double the standard battery.
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Seven hours of sot does not seem like double the standard battery.
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He may have to charge it like 5 Times to get it's max capacity like I did
I found myself seeking threads in these forums about different ROM's and SOT obtained. The results were way different between different users, some claim to get 2.5h SOT some 5h SOT under normal circumstances.
Under normal circumstances I never get more than 3h and I suspected that my worn battery (598 charge cycles according to "Charge Cycle Battery Stats" app) was far from the original 3000mAh.(Thats a manufacturer stat obtained in perfect conditions, real world must be around 2800mAh)
I needed to measure the capacity left in mAh,so I bought a USB ammeter power meter (Keweisi white digits, but you don't need it, I'll explain later).
Using the Power meter, to measure properly you need to avoid thermal loss and power loss when charging:
- Note 5 completely discharged at 1 or 2% battery left.
- Disconnect the Fast charge option in Android.
- From start to finish keep the note 5 Switched off.
- Use an USB low power charger, mine was charging at 0.8A
Results: 1800mah that's far from the 2800mAh(3000mAh) when new.
(Same test I'm getting 2200mAh out of the original 2800mAh on my old Galasy S5 Neo.)
You don't need USB ammeter, Android has a builtin ammeter calculator(estimation).
Today I depleted the battery (2% left) of my note 5 again (Rom based on Android 7.0) and under battery usage I added all the "Computed Power Usage" in mAh giving the next results:
mAh
557 Cell standby (I worked underground today)
333 Screen 2h53m (30% brightness and auto brightness on)
271 Device Idle
221 chrome
203 Android OS
43 Google Play Serv.
39 Androyd System
27 Youtube
20 Yahoo Mail
20 Wi fi
17 com.android.systemui
Total: 1751mAh
This result shows that the phone itself makes a good estimation of mAh juice available in you battery.
As an anecdote I run the same test that Jerryrigeverything in YT with his Note 5(6 month of use): Playing a 2k video in 100% brightness( auto brightness off) with sound and in Flight Mode(not even wifi). He gets 6h20m, I surprisingly get 6h. But those test are only worth to compare Note 5's
Conclusions(my own and humble): Surprising degradation of my battery, specially compared with the results obtained in my S5 Neo. According to "battery university" (a good scientific source of information about Lithium-Ion) I might have shorten the life of my battery abusing of the fast charge mode.
monkeyisland3G said:
I found myself seeking threads in these forums about different ROM's and SOT obtained. The results were way different between different users, some claim to get 2.5h SOT some 5h SOT under normal circumstances.
Under normal circumstances I never get more than 3h and I suspected that my worn battery (598 charge cycles according to "Charge Cycle Battery Stats" app) was far from the original 3000mAh.(Thats a manufacturer stat obtained in perfect conditions, real world must be around 2800mAh)
I needed to measure the capacity left in mAh,so I bought a USB ammeter power meter (Keweisi white digits, but you don't need it, I'll explain later).
Using the Power meter, to measure properly you need to avoid thermal loss and power loss when charging:
- Note 5 completely discharged at 1 or 2% battery left.
- Disconnect the Fast charge option in Android.
- From start to finish keep the note 5 Switched off.
- Use an USB low power charger, mine was charging at 0.8A
Results: 1800mah that's far from the 2800mAh(3000mAh) when new.
(Same test I'm getting 2200mAh out of the original 2800mAh on my old Galasy S5 Neo.)
You don't need USB ammeter, Android has a builtin ammeter calculator(estimation).
Today I depleted the battery (2% left) of my note 5 again (Rom based on Android 7.0) and under battery usage I added all the "Computed Power Usage" in mAh giving the next results:
mAh
557Cell standby(I worked underground today)
333Screen 2h53m (30% brightness and auto brightness on)
271Device Idle
221chrome
203Android OS
43Google Play Serv.
39Androyd System
27Youtube
20Yahoo Mail
20Wi fi
17com.android.systemui
Total: 1751mAh
This result shows that the phone itself makes a good estimation of mAh juice available in you battery.
As an anecdote I run the same test that Jerryrigeverything in YT with his Note 5(6 month of use): Playing a 2k video in 100% brightness( auto brightness off) with sound and in Flight Mode(not even wifi). He gets 6h20m, I surprisingly get 6h. But those test are only worth to compare Note 5's
Conclusions(my own and humble): Surprising degradation of my battery, specially compared with the results obtained in my S5 Neo. According to "battery university" (a good scientific source of information about Lithium-Ion) I might have shorten the life of my battery abusing of the fast charge mode.
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Same here, the problem is that is quiet impossible to find a genuine battery for replacement. All those on amazon and ebay are crap.
memeliv said:
Same here, the problem is that is quiet impossible to find a genuine battery for replacement. All those on amazon and ebay are crap.
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That's the next step, find a good provider and compare capacities.
What I know so far is that there's 2 different battery models:
EB-BN920ABE The most common, but most reviews complain about being 4 or 5 mm shorter, ...less volume less capacity.
EB-BN920ABA Difficult to find, It seems the original replacement according to this picture:
https://ae01.alicdn.com/kf/UTB8YQ_yanzIXKJkSafVq6yWgXXa0.jpg The original is the right side one.
I found a Canadian provider who seems serious (free of fantasy marketing) who also ships worldwide, it looks like the original, (or a extremely good copy) I'm going to take the risk and try it:
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/OEM-EB-BN920ABA-3000mAh-Replacement-Battery-for-Samsung-Galaxy-Note-5-N920-N920A/401346669803?ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT&_trksid=p2060353.m1438.l2649
I'll post results in about 6 weeks....
monkeyisland3G said:
That's the next step, find a good provider and compare capacities.
What I know so far is that there's 2 different battery models:
EB-BN920ABE The most common, but most reviews complain about being 4 or 5 mm shorter, ...less volume less capacity.
EB-BN920ABA Difficult to find, It seems the original replacement according to this picture:
https://ae01.alicdn.com/kf/UTB8YQ_yanzIXKJkSafVq6yWgXXa0.jpg The original is the right side one.
I found a Canadian provider who seems serious (free of fantasy marketing) who also ships worldwide, it looks like the original, (or a extremely good copy) I'm going to take the risk and try it:
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/OEM-EB-BN920ABA-3000mAh-Replacement-Battery-for-Samsung-Galaxy-Note-5-N920-N920A/401346669803?ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT&_trksid=p2060353.m1438.l2649
I'll post results in about 6 weeks....
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How did it go? Those eBay batteries tend to be pretty bad in my experience.
Finally someone else is concerned about note 5 battery capacity, i replaced mine with an original one in feb 2018 from a nearby samsung service center for $40, i used Accubattery app to measure and compare the battery capacity of the old vs the new battery.
After two years of usage and fast charging enabled in all of charge sessions, the old battery was giving me 76% (2291 mAh) of the original capacity, while the new one is giving me 89% (2675 mAh) right now, the weird thing is that it was giving me 90% right when i purchased it, i dont know if this is normal or not.
As for SOT, the old battery was giving me 2.5 hours on average, with an average of 17 hours of total usage, the new one gives me 3.5 to 4 hours with an average of 20 hours of total usage (disconnect at 100% from charger and drained to 1% or 2%)
Hope you find this post helpful
monkeyisland3G said:
That's the next step, find a good provider and compare capacities.
What I know so far is that there's 2 different battery models:
EB-BN920ABE The most common, but most reviews complain about being 4 or 5 mm shorter, ...less volume less capacity.
EB-BN920ABA Difficult to find, It seems the original replacement according to this picture:
https://ae01.alicdn.com/kf/UTB8YQ_yanzIXKJkSafVq6yWgXXa0.jpg The original is the right side one.
I found a Canadian provider who seems serious (free of fantasy marketing) who also ships worldwide, it looks like the original, (or a extremely good copy) I'm going to take the risk and try it:
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/OEM-EB-B...e=STRK:MEBIDX:IT&_trksid=p2060353.m1438.l2649
I'll post results in about 6 weeks....
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I'm in the same boat as you. My battery life blows and I am looking for a decent replacement so I don't have to buy a new phone. How did that one work out for you?