I just got a new XDAIIi, after having a XDAII for three years, thinking I was getting more memory and to be much faster well so hope. So what I want to know where the memory, it telling me I have RAM 128mb and Flash 64mb but on the website it says it has 128mb of both, could someone tell me where it is before I go back to O2 shop.
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James
It does only have 128MB shared storage and program memory and 64MB Storage.
Why does it say that it has 128 of both???? Is it a lie?
I think, can't remember for sure, but 64MB is taken up by the flash ROM. 64MB is available as storage.
Another twist on numbers from O2.
Yes, 64 mb of flash is taken by windows and some progs.
other 64 are available as storage. (64+64=128)
and 128 mb ram. so 256 total.
This is what it says on the O2 web site and the main reson for getting this XDA2i and not the Xda Exec. Would it be better to get the Xda Exec?
Processor Type: Intel Xscale PXA272 520MHz
128 MB SDRAM, 128 MB ROM
3.5" Transflective 65,536 colour LCD (1.3m pixels)
VGA Camera 1.3 Megapixels
Find it to be verging very close to false advertising when a product sold as a 16gb device in reality is only a 11gb. That's 5 entire gb missing to the OS. That's fairly huge, but either way, don't market something as 16gb. Where's this extra 5 going to exactly?
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Last I hear it was 12.55GB available.
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Where's this extra 5 going to exactly?
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OS?
Damn, that's a lot of space gone. More than any carrier bloated phone I've used before. Glad I opted for the 32gb model.
In fact, the total space listed in storage is 12gb, of which almost 11 is 'available'. I don't get it. Surely the total space should be 16gb.
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It's been this way with phones for ages now. The advertised memory always includes the OS reserved partition. And it is 12.5GB last I checked.
prawnguevara said:
In fact, the total space listed in storage is 12gb, of which almost 11 is 'available'. I don't get it. Surely the total space should be 16gb.
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No phone ever has the total amount of space available, though.
could be worse OP,
you could own a Surface RT
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Find it to be verging very close to false advertising when a product sold as a 16gb device in reality is only a 11gb. That's 5 entire gb missing to the OS. That's fairly huge, but either way, don't market something as 16gb. Where's this extra 5 going to exactly?
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This isn't anything new? Any device advertised as 16Gb has generally 11-12 Gb effectively available for user storage, rest of it goes into formatting information, OS (system apps etc) and stuff. Also, it's the difference between counting GB as 1000 vs 1024 MB.
prawnguevara said:
Find it to be verging very close to false advertising when a product sold as a 16gb device in reality is only a 11gb. That's 5 entire gb missing to the OS. That's fairly huge, but either way, don't market something as 16gb. Where's this extra 5 going to exactly?
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That does seem like a lot, but straight from their site in the memory specs it says:
Memory
16 GB internal storage (actual formatted capacity will be less)
2 GB RAM
There are always these posts when a new phone comes out. The storage is total, not what is left after the OS is on it. Look at a Samsung or HTC phone and see how much they use, it will blow you away how much space all the skins take, not to mention how much all of the bloatware a carrier puts on it.
The 5gb is taken up with the OS and related files as well as built in apps as well as the disparity between disk size marketing and actual disk size.
All hard drives and memory are marketed with 1GB = 1000MB whereas computers actually define 1 GB as 1024MB, so that already drops you down to about 15gb including file system formatting.
The other 4GB will be the apps and stuff installed that make your phone work.
11GB free is actually pretty good. The Samsung Galaxy S4 only had 9GB free from 16GB.
Wouldn't it be wierd though if they advertised like 20.42 gigs of memory. But I would like one day to actually have 16 gigs of storage.
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tpcrackpipe said:
Damn, that's a lot of space gone. More than any carrier bloated phone I've used before. Glad I opted for the 32gb model.
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The Galaxy S 4 had 8.5GB of free space on the 16GB model.
This is why you bite the bullet and pay $50 more for the 32gb.
Then you won't spend the rest of your days with the phone kicking yourself for not just buying the larger memory device.
Was exactly the same with the n4... No shocks here
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12.55, not 11.
Advertising has been this way for years, on hard drives, etc. Worthless rant >.>
Nothing new, was like that for the Nexus 4 as well.
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That does seem like a lot, but straight from their site in the memory specs it says:
Memory
16 GB internal storage (actual formatted capacity will be less)
2 GB RAM
There are always these posts when a new phone comes out. The storage is total, not what is left after the OS is on it. Look at a Samsung or HTC phone and see how much they use, it will blow you away how much space all the skins take, not to mention how much all of the bloatware a carrier puts on it.
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As the title suggests, I'm wondering if real world performance will be impacted by the RAM difference. I don't need the storage (512gb... Wow!) because I have a huge micro SD card anyway. But is it worth the price to upgrade the ram RAM? I'm thinking probably not. What do you all think?
yes, i would like to know how they will performs too.
i am hesitating to paid almost 300 bucks for extra 2g of rams if the performances are not significant.
(but i know, i am gonna end up buying that anyway, god, my OCD).
sorry, if i may, i like to add a question since this is about the Rams thread.
if i pick the phone with native 512g. storage, that is the one guarantee to have 8g of rams?
ordering from the samsung USA.
because the site have no indication or information of what model has what ram, anyone can tell me does the USA version with 512g is the 8g ram?
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yes, i would like to know how they will performs too.
i am hesitating to paid almost 300 bucks for extra 2g of rams if the performances are not significant.
(but i know, i am gonna end up buying that anyway, god, my OCD).
sorry, if i may, i like to add a question since this is about the Rams thread.
if i pick the phone with native 512g. storage, that is the one guarantee to have 8g of rams?
ordering from the samsung USA.
because the site have no indication or information of what model has what ram, anyone can tell me does the USA version with 512g is the 8g ram?
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You're not just paying for 2GB of extra ram, you're also paying for 384GB of extra storage space. From what I've heard., the USA version doesn't even come with 8GB of RAM (yet), so you'll just be paying the extra for the higher capacity storage.
PsiPhiDan said:
As the title suggests, I'm wondering if real world performance will be impacted by the RAM difference. I don't need the storage (512gb... Wow!) because I have a huge micro SD card anyway. But is it worth the price to upgrade the ram RAM? I'm thinking probably not. What do you all think?
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OutCastedSheep said:
yes, i would like to know how they will performs too.
i am hesitating to paid almost 300 bucks for extra 2g of rams if the performances are not significant.
(but i know, i am gonna end up buying that anyway, god, my OCD).
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No, real world performance will not be impacted by the 2 GB extra RAM. 8 GB of RAM would come in handy only if you are running so many intensive applications with some game playing side by side which is unlikely. That Extra RAM is kinda future proofing but it's a "distant" one, I would say. That nand flash storage speed is significantly higher than an SD card, but if 128 gigs internal is enough for you, it's not worth making that extra big hole in your pockets imo.
OutCastedSheep said:
sorry, if i may, i like to add a question since this is about the Rams thread.
if i pick the phone with native 512g. storage, that is the one guarantee to have 8g of rams?
ordering from the samsung USA.
because the site have no indication or information of what model has what ram, anyone can tell me does the USA version with 512g is the 8g ram?
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Though it's shown with an asterisk, it's clearly mentioned in the "Performance" section of Note 9 that,
6 GB/128 GB only.
8 GB/512 GB only.
indicating if you are buying the 512 GB storage model then it has to be the 8 GB RAM variant.
https://www.samsung.com/us/mobile/galaxy-note9/performance/
xdaman85 said:
You're not just paying for 2GB of extra ram, you're also paying for 384GB of extra storage space. From what I've heard., the USA version doesn't even come with 8GB of RAM (yet), so you'll just be paying the extra for the higher capacity storage.
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What are you talking about the US version doesn't come with the 8 gig of RAM? Did you watch the unpacking event which was US base?
US carriers already have the 8 gig of RAM version priced out
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They really should have done a 256gb/ 8g version.
I def dont need 512gb of storage but do want the extra ram so will have to pay the $1500 plus taxes (CAN) to get it.
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force70 said:
They really should have done a 256gb/ 8g version.
I def dont need 512gb of storage but do want the extra ram so will have to pay the $1500 plus taxes (CAN) to get it.
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If there was a 256gb 8gb version I would have ordered that thing at midnight
Bigger SSD is faster than same manufacturer/model smaller SSD. Right?
Does it work the same way in phones?
force70 said:
They really should have done a 256gb/ 8g version.
I def dont need 512gb of storage but do want the extra ram so will have to pay the $1500 plus taxes (CAN) to get it.
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Agreed man. The 512GB storage is way overkill. Wish I could get the 8GB RAM with the lesser storage. I just cant justify the extra 250$ for an extra 2GB of RAM. (Yeah, I know you get the extra storage too, but I have no need for that.) Sigh. Likely, I will only keep this for 1 year anyways, so I don't worry about "future-proofing".
My thought is on all the speed tests, the 8GB version will be faster, but in real world performance, it most likely will not matter at all. Maybe in Dex mode, if you are using it as a PC? But otherwise, I doubt anyone would notice much of a performance difference.
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bat0nas said:
Bigger SSD is faster than same manufacturer/model smaller SSD. Right?
Does it work the same way in phones?
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This depends on how much of the drive you are filling up. Not really overall drive size. At least not noticeably so.
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drmacrofish said:
This depends on how much of the drive you are filling up. Not really overall drive size. At least not noticeably so.
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People say that they won't be filling even 128GB of the internal memory.
So which phone will be faster: a 128GB phone with 70GB of data or 512GB phone with 70GB of data?
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People say that they won't be filling even 128GB of the internal memory.
So which phone will be faster: a 128GB phone with 70GB of data or 512GB phone with 70GB of data?
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Most likely will be the same unless you are getting closer to filling the 128 GB drive.
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Bigger SSD is faster than same manufacturer/model smaller SSD. Right?
Does it work the same way in phones?
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Yes usually the way more storage is added is by adding more storage chips inside, and they are usually arranged in parallel. So this opens up more read/write channels for the system to use simultaneously. So there should be a real world performance gain there.
xdaman85 said:
You're not just paying for 2GB of extra ram, you're also paying for 384GB of extra storage space. From what I've heard., the USA version doesn't even come with 8GB of RAM (yet), so you'll just be paying the extra for the higher capacity storage.
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You don't have a clue what you are talking about. The US version does have 8gb on the 512gb model. It is all over every site you can order one from.
nizmoz said:
You don't have a clue what you are talking about. The US version does have 8gb on the 512gb model. It is all over every site you can order one from.
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You're right, thanks.
PsiPhiDan said:
As the title suggests, I'm wondering if real world performance will be impacted by the RAM difference. I don't need the storage (512gb... Wow!) because I have a huge micro SD card anyway. But is it worth the price to upgrade the ram RAM? I'm thinking probably not. What do you all think?
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If the improvements that 6gb had over 4gb are anything to go by, I'd say it's worth it.
I'm hoping Linux on Galaxy/Dex arrives soon, perhaps that is the reasoning behind it, especially for things like android studio.
My question is, will battery life be impacted? Meaning does more RAM result in more battery consumption? I doubt anyone really needs 8GB of RAM, but like me, I like to have the top of the line specs, but if this will impact battery performance I may I just go with the 6GB version.
djinn415 said:
My question is, will battery life be impacted? Meaning does more RAM result in more battery consumption? I doubt anyone really needs 8GB of RAM, but like me, I like to have the top of the line specs, but if this will impact battery performance I may I just go with the 6GB version.
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For the same type of RAM, more RAM consumes more power in comparison to less RAM of the same type.
But, more RAM variant of the phone takes overall less power than a lesser RAM variant of the same phone if the user is quite a multitasker as more RAM helps in multitasking by keeping more apps & tasks opened giving less stress to the CPU as it doesn't have to work on re-opening them.
So, if you are quite a heavy multitasker, go with 8 GB RAM variant (as the CPU would get less stressed by not being used for reopening apps/tasks in case of RAM being full and thus saving power), but if you are not, go with 6 GB RAM variant to save power.
Virgo_Guy said:
For the same type of RAM, more RAM consumes more power in comparison to less RAM of the same type.
But, more RAM variant of the phone takes overall less power than a lesser RAM variant of the same phone if the user is quite a multitasker as more RAM helps in multitasking by keeping more apps & tasks opened giving less stress to the CPU as it doesn't have to work on re-opening them.
So, if you are quite a heavy multitasker, go with 8 GB RAM variant (as the CPU would get less stressed by not being used for reopening apps/tasks in case of RAM being full and thus saving power), but if you are not, go with 6 GB RAM variant to save power.
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I'm not so sure that will matter when it comes to multitasking. Android has a default of the amount of things that can be stored in RAM at the same time. It's also time based, meaning that after x amount of time, that active data is not stored anymore. At least that's how it ran last time I app developed for myself.
Now if Samsung engineered their way around that with the Note 9, that would be fantastic. The other issue or obstacle is that apps would need to actually support that feature. Some of them currently don't support backgrounding over an extended period of time, but I do believe the usual memory and data hog suspects do. Facebook, Snapchat, etc.
Ya know, I just realized it's been almost two years since I developed on Android. Wow! Take what I said up there with a giant Grand Canyon grain of salt.
There will be a slight performance boost in Antutu or other benchmark apps, u can not feel it.
I have the 8gb 512 model. And if I go to ram settings it says I only have 4.8 ram left over. It's brand new. No new apps or games. So my guess is if you have the 6gb version. You will probably only have like 3 or less to work with. I'm confused on why this is. Can someone enlighten me please?