What kind of motomod would you build? - Moto Z2 Force Accessories

What kind of motomod would you build? - Moto Z2 Force Accessories

If you could request -- or righteously demand -- any custom Moto mod, what would it be?
( Try to stay within the boundaries of physics and reasonability... That being said, legally or morally questionable is totally legit).
I personally would love a mod with a 6300mAh (or greater) battery extension that also housed the following ports: 2x USB 2.0, 1x stereo 1/8", 2x microSD.
It sounds like a lot, I know, but I figure if they can pack those damn 7-in-1 flash media adapters into a 2"x3" chunk of plastic, why couldn't they do it in a mod with some extra battery love?

What about of a mod with IR blaster, one or two more SIMs support, one more microSD slot and wireless charge support all-in-one?
Since of my info, it should be doable...

enetec said:
What about of a mod with IR blaster, one or two more SIM support, one more microSD slot and wireless charge support all-in-one?
Since of my info, it should be doable...
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Oh drats, i totally didn't think of an IR blaster, yeaaaah that would be nice! ( > *.* )>= ~ ~ ~ ~ {[~~ TV ]}

Some_Donkus said:
Oh drats, i totally didn't think of an IR blaster, yeaaaah that would be nice! ( > *.* )>= ~ ~ ~ ~ {[~~ TV ]}
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Eheheheh... Having had a Griffin before, I had more time to think on this!
They could call it Geez-MOD... :laugh:
(I've saw something about a project for a 4 SIMs mod some time ago, but never heard nothing more to date... )

I found it... What we need. Battery pack (like 2300mah) combined with this. >>> http://androidpimpreviews.blogspot.com/2016/08/blog-post_7

Some_Donkus said:
I found it... What we need. Battery pack (like 2300mah) combined with this. >>> http://androidpimpreviews.blogspot.com/2016/08/blog-post_7
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"Does not exist."
I would love to see an output or something on the mod to use it as a VR headset to the PC. That would be intuitive. Might need some coding to it and an official update to the mods app by Motorola, but would be a nice addition of "gimmicks" motomods bring.

Woops . Try this. http://www.hardkernel.com/main/products/prdt_info.php?g_code=G145457216438

Hi people I'm new. And happy to be here.
I appreciate all the work xda do, and I hope to learn from the community.
So please bear with me for making foolish comments.
Now my option for a mod is something like a wireless charger, flip cover case with a headphone jack.
If some more battery power can be added fine.
But this will be a case ft a headphone jack= best phone ever!!!

yeah, having a headphone jack would be useful, ive been burned several times forgetting that dang dongle!

I slide-out gamepad, to mimic the Xperia Play. Motorala's current gamepad is not travel friendly at all.

I always loved the way my Moto 360 turns into a little bedside clock when you put it on the charger. What if we had a Moto Mod dock you could put your phone on to charge and turn your phone into a little bedside clock. Maybe it also shows notifications on one side and have a clock with the weather forecast on the other.

Honestly i know it was talked about but it appears the project was a huge scam but why not take the edgemod as seen on indiegogo at https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/edge-mod-supercharge-your-moto-z#/ and combine it with Dual Sim Support, some of motorola's devmods look like they could easily make that happen.

FragmentedLogik said:
Honestly i know it was talked about but it appears the project was a huge scam but why not take the edgemod as seen on indiegogo at https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/edge-mod-supercharge-your-moto-z#/ and combine it with Dual Sim Support, some of motorola's devmods look like they could easily make that happen.
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It ended as a scam?

I would llike to see moto mod with project ARA

enetec said:
It ended as a scam?
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yes when you read the comments that "Company" deleted every trace of them selves and absconded wit the donations, even people who were selected to receive the "Beta Mods" said they never got em

FragmentedLogik said:
yes when you read the comments that "Company" deleted every trace of them selves and absconded wit the donations, even people who were selected to receive the "Beta Mods" said they never got em
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Great!

I have the experience and most of the know-how to make a board for the stuff suggested... I've built bread boards before, and even custom programmed eprom chips before for custom audio rigs. I've dabbled with raspberry pis... Maybe after Xmas bonus I'll put down the money to buy the motomod Dev kit and see what I can do. The boards and modules won't be the difficult part. Building the exterior form factors to make it actually end-user friendly will be another story.
If (big if) I can get a few boards made that work exactly as intended with their respective modules, I'll see about the next step. This kind of stuff is way more in my wheelhouse than mobile programming.

I have many ideas but one would be a battery mod which accepted AA batteries. So instead of an internal sealed battery it could be sold without batteries and then just add the AA batteries and it would be working for emergencies.

Multi-mod
Kind of thick, but I think it may be worth the bulk
2000mAh bonus battery - reasonable, IMO
3.5mm port on the bottom, IR blaster on the top, a full size USB A port on the left, a full size HDMI port on the right. Plug in monitor, keyboard, and mouse with a USB hub for an instant desktop, or plug into a TV to mirror the screen. Obviously, things like plugging in USB gamepads for multiplayer phone gaming, plugging in a microphone and MIDI controller to use with FL Studio Mobile, etc, are fair game.
Slide it down for a 5 row keyboard. Out of the sides of that comes a flat gamepad with four shoulder buttons, four main action buttons, a d-pad, start and select buttons, and two clicky PSP-style flat sliding joysticks. It can wrap around the keyboard to create something like a Nintendo DS but with a keyboard instead of a second screen, or can wrap around the phone while the keyboard is hidden to give you a PS Vita-like setup.
Essentially, the point is to turn the phone into a pocket laptop. Need to work, but your laptop is nowhere near? Boom. Want to get your game on without touchscreen controls getting in the way? Boom. Want to plug in a scanner via USB and preserve priceless family photos dating back centuries? Boom.
If I were to prototype this myself(which I unfortunately lack the skills and funds for), I'd imagine it would come out costing about $180, with profit margin thrown in. Here's how I figure.
rPi Zero for ports - $15
Scrap PSP and four small buttons for game controller - $50
Keyboard - $30
Requisite connectors - $10
Plastic case (probably would have to have these custom 3D printed in bulk or simply get a 3D printer) - $5-ish
New 2,000mAh li-ion battery: $20
Cost to me: $130
Profit per unit without considering other overhead like work time or having to buy a 3D printer: $50
Honestly, the more I go on typing this, the more I want to check out how to actually make something like this.

shadow2by4 said:
Kind of thick, but I think it may be worth the bulk
2000mAh bonus battery - reasonable, IMO
3.5mm port on the bottom, IR blaster on the top, a full size USB A port on the left, a full size HDMI port on the right. Plug in monitor, keyboard, and mouse with a USB hub for an instant desktop, or plug into a TV to mirror the screen. Obviously, things like plugging in USB gamepads for multiplayer phone gaming, plugging in a microphone and MIDI controller to use with FL Studio Mobile, etc, are fair game.
Slide it down for a 5 row keyboard. Out of the sides of that comes a flat gamepad with four shoulder buttons, four main action buttons, a d-pad, start and select buttons, and two clicky PSP-style flat sliding joysticks. It can wrap around the keyboard to create something like a Nintendo DS but with a keyboard instead of a second screen, or can wrap around the phone while the keyboard is hidden to give you a PS Vita-like setup.
Essentially, the point is to turn the phone into a pocket laptop. Need to work, but your laptop is nowhere near? Boom. Want to get your game on without touchscreen controls getting in the way? Boom. Want to plug in a scanner via USB and preserve priceless family photos dating back centuries? Boom.
If I were to prototype this myself(which I unfortunately lack the skills and funds for), I'd imagine it would come out costing about $180, with profit margin thrown in. Here's how I figure.
rPi Zero for ports - $15
Scrap PSP and four small buttons for game controller - $50
Keyboard - $30
Requisite connectors - $10
Plastic case (probably would have to have these custom 3D printed in bulk or simply get a 3D printer) - $5-ish
New 2,000mAh li-ion battery: $20
Cost to me: $130
Profit per unit without considering other overhead like work time or having to buy a 3D printer: $50
Honestly, the more I go on typing this, the more I want to check out how to actually make something like this.
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A prototype with all working features wouldn't be the hard part of any of this... the hard part would be the physical engineering of making it "compact" and pocket friendly. Not just 3-d printing, but you would eventually have to get in there with some rebound steel strips and such to make the "Slide" out sections slide properly... but fortunately, in the world we live in, if you had a working prototype (no matter how fugly and un-pocketable) some company is likely to buy it from you. A company that actually has the manufacturing resources to build all the nitty gritty mechanical parts.

Related

Anybody with Pocketop Keyboard?

Has anybody on this forum any experience with the Pocketop Keyboard for the XDA?
http://www.pocketop.net/products.shtml
It is much slimer than the others.
THX
Gear

A mate of mine has one, and while it's quite nifty and certainly compact, PPC IR ports tend to be at the top of the device so a special PDA stand with a mirror to reflect the IR to the keyboard needs to be used. A bit strange, but effective.

That is the purpose I asked. I don't understand where the keyboard transmitter is !!?? :?:
Their pics don't show the XDA.
Gear

I have it and have used it, is a great little keyboard, and It works well with the Xda (2002 & 2003 versions).
the flipping screen app doesn't work, but you don't need it anyways, if you position the device in the stand in a way that the IR can get it. It takes a little practice but works fine.
so far is the best buy I have made, I got it at Compusa for $30 a while back, I have seen it at $100 regular price.

Thanks Yorch for the info.
THX
Gear

Doesn't the IR use a lot of battery power? Also I think you need a clear line of sight which I imagine could get disturbed if you are on an airplane. A serial connected device seems like a better alternative.
I've got the Darfon keyboard that I bought from MobilePlanet for $119.
It is a great accessory. It is a bit expensive, especially considering it's the same keyboard as made for the IPAQ, with 4 different wires. (that's about $50!) I would recommend it though.

GENTOUCH Tablet PC’s Powered by Android 2.1

You guys see this yet, here it is in action?
It's on sale for $149.99 at Kmart this week, although Kmart seems to have poorly planned the launch and its in VERY short supply across the US.
Gentouch78 Tablet
• 800x480 color TFT touch panel screen
• CPU: 800 Mhz
• Ram: DDR2 256mb
• Internal Memory: 2GB
• Expansion Slots: SD/MMC card slot up to 16GB
• Wi-Fi Connectivity with Full Web Browsing Capability
• Supports Ebook Formats: Text, PDF, E-PUB, HTML
• Supports Media Formats: MP3, WMA, FLAC, AAC
• Supports most popular E-Book formats
• Picture Viewer in JPEG, BMP
• Video Player
• Rechargeable Lithium Battery
• Carrying case included
Accessories Included
• Leather Carrying Case
• USB Cable (for data transfers only)
• UL Certified AC Adapter
Seems like a decent price, even though the device could use a better screen, bluetooth, and hdmi out. I grabbed a rain check while I think about a possible new toy...

Saw this on Engadget yesterday. The thing doesn't do portrait mode, doesn't have an accelerometer, and almost all signs point to the touch screen being resistive rather than capacitive. Still, for $150 I could slap some velcro on the back and on my cabinets and use it to follow recipes when cooking.

benutne said:
Saw this on Engadget yesterday. The thing doesn't do portrait mode, doesn't have an accelerometer, and almost all signs point to the touch screen being resistive rather than capacitive. Still, for $150 I could slap some velcro on the back and on my cabinets and use it to follow recipes when cooking.
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maybe it does do portrait...chatting with tech support now. but check this out.

xport said:
maybe it does do portrait...chatting with tech support now. but check this out.
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Huh. I spoke with tech support yesterday and they said it didn't support portrait. But we were also talking about the lack of an accelerometer so they might have just meant it didn't automatically flip.

Well I talked to them again today, and I dont get the warm and fuzzy feeling about the answers, but here is what "Ari" had to say:
Ari: unit has options for a prtrait and mode
Ari: headphone jack should be 3.5mm
Ari: unit has a camera
Ari: it has a usb slot for file transfers
Ari: 800mgz for prcessors
Ari: it should be able to charge with the usb also
Ari: it should have a calibrate command also
Ari: and program similar for the android market
Ari: it is using an android 2.1 program
Ari: i apologize this is just a new device and not all program alternatives and specifications has not fully been established
Ari: it is supposed to be out end of the week
Ari: and by august
Ari: i'm basing that from the manual sent to me
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i kinda wouldn't mid having one.. looks pretty cool

xport said:
Well I talked to them again today, and I dont get the warm and fuzzy feeling about the answers, but here is what "Ari" had to say:
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Seems like it will support a market, just not the market.

there are some issues. i got one today. over all decent device. they are releasing a patch to finx some of the issues.
http://augenus.com/indexhome.html/News.html

pen25 said:
there are some issues. i got one today. over all decent device. they are releasing a patch to finx some of the issues.
http://augenus.com/indexhome.html/News.html
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Wow. If they follow through then that is some excellent customer service. What do you think of the device so far? We're dying to know man.

benutne said:
Seems like it will support a market, just not the market.
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isnt one of googles rules that the thing has to be a phone in order to have the real market?
also wouldnt it be possible to adb push our vending.apk to it?

thoughtlesskyle said:
isnt one of googles rules that the thing has to be a phone in order to have the real market?
also wouldnt it be possible to adb push our vending.apk to it?
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I think they recently relaxed the restrictions on Market access so now tablets can use it. I have no source for that assertion however.

Wow, how do you forget what size headphone plug YOU installed into it?....

Naemion said:
Wow, how do you forget what size headphone plug YOU installed into it?....
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They're just reselling the hardware I'm guessing. No way a Florida company could make this cheaper than China can.

over all i like the device. im used to a resistive screen so thats not a problem. doesnt appear to have the auto rotate screen but waiting to hear back from them to find out what the deal is. the manual talks about auto rotating the screen so it should have it. lack of bluetooth is another draw back but i really dont need it. they also have a 2.5mm headphone jack on them instead of a 3.5 like normal but they are addressing that with an adapter i do believe.
power consumption wasnt too bad. i was using the device for 5 hours yesterday and only used a 1/4 reserve from what it said. so i was only down to around 72% charge after playing with it for 5 hours. was reasonably bright enough in a brightly lit room. the angle one can see is pretty good as well.
the microsd card slot isnt in line properly. so if you insert a card you will want to put a price of tape on the end of it so when you release it you can pull it out. i played hell getting the thing to pull out and it was dragging the top of the card so had to use a pair of tweezers to pull it out.
cant access the market yet so havent tried the nook or kindle apps but that will be my next thing. looking at pictures was good. just as good as my digi pic frame.
over all for what i bought it for i do believe it will work a treat. i was going to buy a chumby either the bb or the sony branded chumby and this will work so much better then either of those two devices.

mistakes happen. how do people forget to take thier vitamins in the morning? how do people forget there coffee mug on the roof of thier car?

pen25 said:
over all i like the device. im used to a resistive screen so thats not a problem. doesnt appear to have the auto rotate screen but waiting to hear back from them to find out what the deal is. the manual talks about auto rotating the screen so it should have it. lack of bluetooth is another draw back but i really dont need it. they also have a 2.5mm headphone jack on them instead of a 3.5 like normal but they are addressing that with an adapter i do believe.
power consumption wasnt too bad. i was using the device for 5 hours yesterday and only used a 1/4 reserve from what it said. so i was only down to around 72% charge after playing with it for 5 hours. was reasonably bright enough in a brightly lit room. the angle one can see is pretty good as well.
the microsd card slot isnt in line properly. so if you insert a card you will want to put a price of tape on the end of it so when you release it you can pull it out. i played hell getting the thing to pull out and it was dragging the top of the card so had to use a pair of tweezers to pull it out.
cant access the market yet so havent tried the nook or kindle apps but that will be my next thing. looking at pictures was good. just as good as my digi pic frame.
over all for what i bought it for i do believe it will work a treat. i was going to buy a chumby either the bb or the sony branded chumby and this will work so much better then either of those two devices.
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Well, that's good to hear. Really all I'd ever want one for is reading in bed, surfing the web while on the couch and most importantly, following recipes online without having to print them. Velcro that thing to the cabinet and we're golden.
Can you post some pics of the device from different angles? I'm curious how thick it is and where the ports are.

Seems my local store has a few in stock here, so I'm swinging by on my way home to grab one. Ill report back what I can about the device later tonight or tomorrow morning. Supposed firmware update released tomorrow.
Wow, just noticed this...MSNBC noticed it.

benutne said:
Well, that's good to hear. Really all I'd ever want one for is reading in bed, surfing the web while on the couch and most importantly, following recipes online without having to print them. Velcro that thing to the cabinet and we're golden.
Can you post some pics of the device from different angles? I'm curious how thick it is and where the ports are.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pfha5r6law0

xport said:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pfha5r6law0
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Not quite as thin as the iPad I guess, now is it? Looks kinda chunky actually.

benutne said:
Not quite as thin as the iPad I guess, now is it? Looks kinda chunky actually.
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It is not ok (discussion of the future)

I'm sad to see that people are accepting the death of the headphone jack. We (humans) create tech therefore is tech that should adapt to us, not us to tech. I'm actually disappointed to see how xda gave this phone "the best phone award". Companies are toying with us and as a oneplus fan I'm really sad to see them continue this despite the complaints of many over the 6T. I just just bought a 5T myself because of this (6 has a notch so went for the 5t). I fear that in the future there will be no option for those who want a headphone jack. And even worse, no charging port.
To me the next logical step in this crazy trend is to get rid of the usb-c port. And seeing how well people are accepting the removal of the headphone jack I fear they will have no trouble in doing so.
And yes I get it the jack is quite big and limits screen size. But let's face it, it is really annoying to tap the edges of the screen by accident, which gets worse with these bezel-less phones, so please don't try to convince me.
I wanted to create a poll but I don't see an option on the app, so I will just ask these questions. Let me know what you think.
Aren't you worried that the next models will ship with wireless charging only?
Is that what we will see in the future?
Would OP join this crazy trend?
PS: I'm posting on the OP forum since what I wanna discuss here is what will happen in the future and what do you guys think OP will do about it.

Technology is changing, rapidly and over and over again - part of this change is the move from wired headphones to wireless ones, another one is the trend to curved displays (which I don't crave), the omission of notification LEDs and probably also the trend towards wireless charging (which I actually find convenient).... I doubt it'll leave out the USB port because you would neither get an option to transfer data via OTG nor would be able to recover the phone when something is broken - but who knows
IMO Oneplus is following where the market is going. We could hope and argue that it could very well be the other way round, but the volume is not with us few tech enthusiasts but with the broad masses and the trendsetter presently is not Oneplus (which I would wish to be otherwise)....

You do realize the OnePlus 6 has a headphone jack right?

Phones without ports are the future. Within a few years you can powercharge your phone wirelessly. Would be better for all of us. And btw invest in a good pair of wireless headphones mk3 sony are very very very good.

for music - use audio players like astell kern, fiio etc. Its just a talk about your money, if you can afford it. But. About bezelless screens, its all very disapointing. Personally, i'd like to back to 16:9 screens, like 5 and 3t was. Oneplus is no more phones for geeks, its for beauty bloggers, HA

Pawer8 said:
I'm sad to see that people are accepting the death of the headphone jack. We (humans) create tech therefore is tech that should adapt to us, not us to tech.
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But it did adapt to us. We humans (not me specifically until this phone) bought these phones without a headphone jack for 2 years. Didn't touch sales numbers. So the market adapted, one less hole to waterproof, and room to save costs on circuit noise reduction, integrated DAC+AMPs etc.
To me the next logical step in this crazy trend is to get rid of the usb-c port. And seeing how well people are accepting the removal of the headphone jack I fear they will have no trouble in doing so.
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exaggeration to get your point across
And yes I get it the jack is quite big and limits screen size. But let's face it, it is really annoying to tap the edges of the screen by accident, which gets worse with these bezel-less phones, so please don't try to convince me.
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subjective opinion
but yeah I mostly agree with everything else, I hate trends.

criptix said:
You do realize the OnePlus 6 has a headphone jack right?
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Sorry a typo.
Didn't get the 7/6t for the jack. Didn't even considered the 6 because of the notch (considering the 5t is just one step below the 6 i'd rather not have a notch).
I'll edit my first post
bartjeh1991 said:
Phones without ports are the future. Within a few years you can powercharge your phone wirelessly. Would be better for all of us. And btw invest in a good pair of wireless headphones mk3 sony are very very very good.
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Most troubling is not charge time but not being able to use your phone while charging. Plus I'd like to see how we would root a phone without ports...
s3axel said:
Technology is changing, rapidly and over and over again - part of this change is the move from wired headphones to wireless ones, another one is the trend to curved displays (which I don't crave), the omission of notification LEDs and probably also the trend towards wireless charging (which I actually find convenient).... I doubt it'll leave out the USB port because you would neither get an option to transfer data via OTG nor would be able to recover the phone when something is broken - but who knows
IMO Oneplus is following where the market is going. We could hope and argue that it could very well be the other way round, but the volume is not with us few tech enthusiasts but with the broad masses and the trendsetter presently is not Oneplus (which I would wish to be otherwise)....
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Wow just noticed the led thing. So glad I still have it.
Considering the new trend of not repairing broken stuff (ehem apple ehem) I worry that could extend to the rest of the market and end up killing the usb. But good point.
Your last point is very valid. But what I always liked about oneplus is that they didn't follow most trends. Instead they relied on community feedback (ofc ppl in forums is mostly geeks). Don't get me wrong. As a company that is probably the right strategy. I just wish they had like a second phone for us fans of the opo.

bartjeh1991 said:
Phones without ports are the future. Within a few years you can powercharge your phone wirelessly. Would be better for all of us. And btw invest in a good pair of wireless headphones mk3 sony are very very very good.
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by harnessing the kinetic and heat energy of you body?
even photon beam charging?
ive been questioning why we havent advanced in battery tech in a while... we are using hundreds (some would suggest thousands) of year old tech to power on our phones

souless poet said:
I personally have used wireless bt headphones and now true wireless earbuds Jabra elite are amazing for years. Who wants cords when working out for starters. Second I don't understand the outrage over not having a headphone Jack. You spend 7-800 on bleeding edge tech but want to use wired headphones? Backwards to me. And honestly get used to it. It's not going away. Wireless everything. For me it's cloud, bt, wireless charging, casting, nfc file transfers etc....
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Well I have 3 pairs of headphones ranging from 100 to 200 quid so it's not about money.
I've tried bt headphones but they are a pain in my opinion. You have to charge them and sound quality is not as good. Tho I must say that in the car the 5T does seem to have better quality than the 3T over bluetooth but still can hear it struggle.
virtyx said:
by harnessing the kinetic and heat energy of you body?
even photon beam charging?
ive been questioning why we havent advanced in battery tech in a while... we are using hundreds (some would suggest thousands) of year old tech to power on our phones
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Hahah true. But also there have been improvements on battery tech. It's just that there have been no big changes. The main problem is that to store more energy you basically need to start looking at more exotic materials that at the same time are more dangerous to handle.

Pawer8 said:
Well I have 3 pairs of headphones ranging from 100 to 200 quid so it's not about money.
I've tried bt headphones but they are a pain in my opinion. You have to charge them and sound quality is not as good. Tho I must say that in the car the 5T does seem to have better quality than the 3T over bluetooth but still can hear it struggle.
Hahah true. But also there have been improvements on battery tech. It's just that there have been no big changes. The main problem is that to store more energy you basically need to start looking at more exotic materials that at the same time are more dangerous to handle.
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now to just find an minuscule sized nuclear reactor encapsulated by a moscovium infused gaseous-ring enforced with a vibranium outer casing, then i think we would be set.

Well I have 3 pairs of headphones ranging from 100 to 200 quid so it's not about money.
I've tried bt headphones but they are a pain in my opinion. You have to charge them and sound quality is not as good. Tho I must say that in the car the 5T does seem to have better quality than the 3T over bluetooth but still can hear it struggle.
Never have had an issue. My Sony over the ear wireless sound amazing. My Jabra sound quality is amazing as well and I have to charge the case once every two weeks. I mean we are living in a world where we have to charge our laptops and tablets and phones...don't think having to charge headphones is a deal breaker. Now again it's about preference. I'm good w not having a headphone Jack. Didn't use it when I had a phone that did. To each is own.
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You don't see us using vinyl records, feather with ink, or a wired telephone connection today do we? So, stop yapping about things you don't like, if you don't like change, then go back to your Nokia 3310. If people don't accept change like the headphone jack, or USB C port, then why would people still buy them? It's like the 90hz screen, once you have it, you don't wanna go back. Don't talk trash about things that you haven't tried.

Jt380p said:
You don't see us using vinyl records, feather with ink, or a wired telephone connection today do we? So, stop yapping about things you don't like, if you don't like change, then go back to your Nokia 3310. If people don't accept change like the headphone jack, or USB C port, then why would people still buy them? It's like the 90hz screen, once you have it, you don't wanna go back. Don't talk trash about things that you haven't tried.
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I have tried bluetooth headphones... Don't like them. They are heavy and need recharging. And batteries go bad with time.
It's hard to beat the comfort of a headphone that weighs half as much.
And yes many ppl use vinyl just so you know....
This trend took off thanks to apple fanboys.
What good things do we get by trading in the headphone jack?
Larger screens with notches? Or maybe popup cameras that will fail in a couple years?
It's not like they are trying to get the phones smaller...

About tastes there is nothing written and it is very difficult to please everyone equally.
Before they removed the Jack 3.5, I no longer used it, so I do not care.
For the usb-c to charge and sound, it would bother me a lot to remove it, because I do not like to lose the possibility of having cable sound input even for the C and even less be forced to have another device to charge? And I'm home? I think that is not possible ....
I do not like the drop noch either, but I prefer it to frames ... and the worst is the curve edge! Please! What is it for? To play reflexes ??? To lose screen? Life is curved? Yes, of course, when I play football when I get to the line, the ball falls into the void suddenly ... yuck! regards
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I do miss the headphone jack, but only because I have some really nice wired headphones that I would like to connect to my phone on the odd occasion because that's where all my music is. Saying that, 99% of the time I'm using my Jabra Elites. If needed, I can get a music player as a separate device to get my audio nerd on, whilst I admit I would rather have one device. But I'm not shlopping around a big set of headphones around with me all the time. That's not going to happen. Nowadays any decent set of wireless IEM's compete well with wired IEM's. I don't think they will get rid of ports altogether, just because what happens when it bricks. You always have to be able to physically connect up.

If you want to use wired headphones with your phpne, the OnePlus usbc dongle sounds about the same as the phpnes with the 3.5mm port. If you want true fidelity, you should try the digital audio players that was mentioned in a reply above. If you really want good quality playbacknon yoir phone, the only options are true USB-C DAC/AMP or bluetooth receivers like Fiio Q5S

Jt380p said:
You don't see us using vinyl records, feather with ink, or a wired telephone connection today do we? So, stop yapping about things you don't like, if you don't like change, then go back to your Nokia 3310. If people don't accept change like the headphone jack, or USB C port, then why would people still buy them? It's like the 90hz screen, once you have it, you don't wanna go back. Don't talk trash about things that you haven't tried.
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I think you are being too harsh. You may not realize but Vinyls quality of sound beats CD quality any day. When was the last time you had the luxury of listening to a clean vinyl? Ok, enough about the vinyls. I think what OP is trying to say is limiting the choices. I personally, would not care if phone does not have a phone jack as long as there is a similar model with a jack option. When you buy a car, besides many other available options available under different package and price points, you STILL have an option to buy stick or automatic transmission. Some of the innovation being made under the banner of "technology and advancement" is simply a marketing hype. Smartphone sales are way down if you look at any year to year data, so manufactures have to market the latest and greatest technology whether you need it or not.
So OP is not talking about trash, you need to be open-minded and think outside the narrow box. Here is a quote from Steven Spielberg:
Technology can be our best friend, and technology can also be the biggest party pooper of our lives. It interrupts our own story, interrupts our ability to have a thought or a daydream, to imagine something wonderful, because we're too busy bridging the walk from the cafeteria back to the office on the cell phone.
Steven Spielberg

Gr8man001 said:
I think you are being too harsh. You may not realize but Vinyls quality of sound beats CD quality any day. When was the last time you had the luxury of listening to a clean vinyl? Ok, enough about the vinyls. I think what OP is trying to say is limiting the choices. I personally, would not care if phone does not have a phone jack as long as there is a similar model with a jack option. When you buy a car, besides many other available options available under different package and price points, you STILL have an option to buy stick or automatic transmission. Some of the innovation being made under the banner of "technology and advancement" is simply a marketing hype. Smartphone sales are way down if you look at any year to year data, so manufactures have to market the latest and greatest technology whether you need it or not.
So OP is not talking about trash, you need to be open-minded and think outside the narrow box. Here is a quote from Steven Spielberg:
Technology can be our best friend, and technology can also be the biggest party pooper of our lives. It interrupts our own story, interrupts our ability to have a thought or a daydream, to imagine something wonderful, because we're too busy bridging the walk from the cafeteria back to the office on the cell phone.
Steven Spielberg
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Thanks. That was a perfect analogy.
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If you want to use wired headphones with your phpne, the OnePlus usbc dongle sounds about the same as the phpnes with the 3.5mm port. If you want true fidelity, you should try the digital audio players that was mentioned in a reply above. If you really want good quality playbacknon yoir phone, the only options are true USB-C DAC/AMP or bluetooth receivers like Fiio Q5S
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To be honest I could live with a phone with 2 usb-c. Just buy... 5 adapters and use some heatshrink to secure them.
As I'm writing this I'm using both the usb and the jack on my phone.
That wouldn't be too crazy would it?

Pawer8 said:
I'm sad to see that people are accepting the death of the headphone jack. We (humans) create tech therefore is tech that should adapt to us, not us to tech. I'm actually disappointed to see how xda gave this phone "the best phone award". Companies are toying with us and as a oneplus fan I'm really sad to see them continue this despite the complaints of many over the 6T. I just just bought a 5T myself because of this (6 has a notch so went for the 5t). I fear that in the future there will be no option for those who want a headphone jack. And even worse, no charging port.
To me the next logical step in this crazy trend is to get rid of the usb-c port. And seeing how well people are accepting the removal of the headphone jack I fear they will have no trouble in doing so.
And yes I get it the jack is quite big and limits screen size. But let's face it, it is really annoying to tap the edges of the screen by accident, which gets worse with these bezel-less phones, so please don't try to convince me.
I wanted to create a poll but I don't see an option on the app, so I will just ask these questions. Let me know what you think.
Aren't you worried that the next models will ship with wireless charging only?
Is that what we will see in the future?
Would OP join this crazy trend?
PS: I'm posting on the OP forum since what I wanna discuss here is what will happen in the future and what do you guys think OP will do about it.
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While I mean no offense to you, I think people who trash talk phones without headphone jacks just want something to complain about. The headphone jack isn't gone. Just use an adapter. There's your headphone jack as an option if you so desperately need it.
Sure, it's a half an inch long cord, but there's the absolutely perfect solution to your problem.
I know you're going to reply to this by saying "But it's so inconvenient! It would be so much more convenient if it was built in! I'll lose the cable!",
You can either use an adapter, hook it onto the end of your wired headphones so you don't lose it, or you can not have a headphone jack at all, and make posts on an anonymous Internet forum about how disappointed you are.
Technology nowadays is extremely powerful, and it's honestly a pretty amazing marvel of engineering and skill. A little lightweight rectangle that can access the biggest archive of information known to man, and you just kind of gripe about some port that you can reattach if you really wanted to? Or the size of a screen? If the screen is too big, get a smaller screen!
I really do apologise if this comes off as rude, but it seems really really trivial to me. The tech world can't cater to your every whim, and if you really want it to that bad, get a phone with a headphone jack and a smaller screen.
To me, your post just gives off a really, entitled sort of vibe. Again, no offense meant towards you.

[Discussion] 7 Pro - Features it's missing and why they don't matter

I've read a few articles or discussions bringing up feature that the 7 pro lacks, often times mentioning that individual items by themselves are deal breakers or several together might lead someone not to buy it.
Here are some of the ones I've seen the most, and why they really aren't a big deal
No 5G - 5G is still in its very early days and won't see widespread adoption for several more years. If you're not in one of the top 10 cities, don't be surprised if it you don't see it before the 7 pro's hardware is obsolete anyways. With all the new 5G phones coming out soon, the number of people that upgrade to them will skyrocket and likely over-saturate the available 5G networks, bogging down the purported speed benefits. Further, 4G LTE hits more than adequate speeds anyways. 99% of what anyone does on the internet isn't going to require more than 10Mbps connections. Some video streaming might require more than that, but I've seen 4G tests hit nearly 100Mbps (consistent, not spike speeds), so it is more than capable of handling what people throw at it. Cellular providers limit video streaming in most cases to 720p resolutions anyway.
Even the advertised latency improvements aren't a big deal. The only area where super low latency makes a significant difference is online gaming, and 4G already hits sub-50ms latency. I've personally played FPS games with a latency anywhere from 100ms - 2000ms (<- not a typo) many many times before, and rarely noticed even 200ms negatively affecting my game.
No WiFi 6 - Again, a young technology which won't see widespread adoption for several more years (many public wifi spots don't even have AC yet), and promises unnecessary speed improvements. 4K content can be easily streamed through a wireless N router with no buffering.
No wireless charging - This may be more of a preference, but the way I see it, wireless charging limits you in exchange for essentially no benefits. You can't move your device around while it's on the charging mat, unless you also pick the mat up with it and hold them together; plus, it's slow. Plug in your phone and you can easily pick it up and continue to use it while it's charging. One of the big "benefits" to wireless charging that gets touted around a lot is "removing the hassle of plugging in". Well, the charging mat still needs to be plugged in, and plugging a cable into your phone takes literally one second. With the battery life phones are advertising these days you almost never have to plug in before going to bed anyways. Seriously, what is the point of wireless charging?
No IP rating - Oneplus has done a great job of waterproofing the phone already, and adding an "official IP rating" doesn't magically improve its existing water resistance. There are several water videos on youtube already, with one going as long as 30 (broken up) minutes in a water bowl. Another shows that 2 days after their test the phone is still working fine. TBF, there is one video which shows the phone gets water inside it after a period of time, but that is at a depth of 1.5m (approx 5ft), and water pressure increases with depth (ie water works harder to get in the deeper it is). Throw the most water proofed phone into the bottom of the ocean and I guarantee it will get flooded. The companies that do provide an IP rating for their phones don't cover water or dust damage anyways. Outside of walking in the rain most people will be keeping their phones dry, so this really is not a big deal in the least.
No 3.5mm jack - OK maybe I lied just a tad in my title, as this is kind of a big deal since there aren't any good alternatives yet.
No SD Card slot - The storage options available for the phone are already pretty good. With most media consumption now being streaming, high storage capacities don't seem quite as important (I don't need to tote around my 50GB+ music collection, I can stream off YT, Spotify, even set up a home streaming server), and there are several good cloud storage options available (mega for one gets you up to 50GB for free).
Well, that about sums up this post. Obviously a large part of choosing which phone to buy is preference and subjective, but I think that at least these complaints against the phone are virtually unfounded (with the exception of the headphone jack of course )

I pretty much agree, the only convenience of wireless charging is that different phone types can use the same charger for example Samsung and an iphone can wirelessly charge on the same pad with no need for specific cables.

vv211 said:
No 3.5mm jack - OK maybe I lied just a tad in my title, as this is kind of a big deal since there aren't any good alternatives yet.
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There are adapters available which will allow you to charge and use headphones at the same time. https://www.amazon.com/Charging-Ada...way&sprefix=usb-c+charge+audio,aps,137&sr=8-1

It's a great phone, the first OP phone I have ever owned. I've always used Iphone and Samsung S/Note series before. But to me the camera is very important in a phone since I take a lot of pictures and even though I tried to make the pictures better with GCam and upgraded to latest OOS, I still think the camera is weak compared to the "flagships". Maybe the camera will improve one the next device but if it doesn't I plan to switch back to Samsung.

Can we expect to see the a 7T pro model with some of these features?
Or will the "T" model be the 7 Pro 5G with no other new features except 5G technology?

I'd love to have pocket mode back. Too many times it has become unlocked in my pocket for unknown reasons.

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There are adapters available which will allow you to charge and use headphones at the same time. https://www.amazon.com/Charging-Adapter-Headphones-Splitter-compatible/dp/B07TC1673L/ref=sr_1_1?crid=DHI0L7SYEI3K&keywords=usb+c+charge+and+audio&qid=1562094073&s=gateway&sprefix=usb-c+charge+audio,aps,137&sr=8-1
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Personally, I am in the "don't want to have to mess around with dongles" camp. One of the huge pluses to the 3.5mm Jack is it just works. I've read a few reviews of various dongles that say they don't work with certain phones. Compatibility was never a problem with the 3.5mm
jfm91 said:
Can we expect to see the a 7T pro model with some of these features?
Or will the "T" model be the 7 Pro 5G with no other new features except 5G technology?
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I haven't really followed OP in the past so I'm not sure what kind of improvements/changes they typically make for their T model, but I had been under the impression that the 5G would be a separate model from the T

No Wireless Charging: I feel like no wireless charging on a glassbacked device is a big FU, No reason to drop metal unibody for weaker glass only to cut costs and raise profit margins the same reason no wireless charging included, "The whole it's slow" is a bs excuse, Xiaomi proved that with 20w wireless charging on the Mi 9.
No 3.5mm Jack: Why remove the universal audio port??? Again no reason, No alternatives only to push there crappy accessories. Why should we be forced to re buy headphone etc when our current headphones work fine? Also to touch on the charging point now as we have no headphone jack we have 2x the wear on the Type C port so wireless charging could of helped with that to migrate the wear and improve longevity.
No SD Card Slot: Again no reason to not include a dual SIM + Micro SD, Another reason to get you to buy higher priced UFS storage instead just like Apple does it. Other devices had no problem including a hybrid dual SIM.
I'll add another of my own
No 3.5mm Jack adapter: How can you remove the headphone port and then make you pay $12.95 for an adapter which is only passive so they cost nothing to make you can buy them from China for like 30 cent each. So think the cost to make it it's nothing to them yet they can't give us one in the box...
All bull**** just to cut costs and make the end user pay more ez marketing. We are getting less for more money.

Sd card not needed due to fast ufs storage 3.0. headphone jack - time to move on. . 5g and wiFi 6 . It sounds nice to have now just to feel a false sense of future proofing . But by the time these speeds become useful the rest of this phone will be outdated and most people would of moved on to the OnePlus 10pro. I started a whole thread about the disadvantages of the OnePlus 7 pro and th conclusion from everybody is that this phone offers everything somebody needs now and as a bonus at a fantastic price and for a very long time.

I find two very important items missing in the One Plus 7 pro
1) Notification Light
2) Sounds -> Vibrate on Tap

insomnia77 said:
Sd card not needed due to fast ufs storage 3.0. headphone jack - time to move on. . 5g and wiFi 6 . It sounds nice to have now just to feel a false sense of future proofing . But by the time these speeds become useful the rest of this phone will be outdated and most people would of moved on to the OnePlus 10pro. I started a whole thread about the disadvantages of the OnePlus 7 pro and th conclusion from everybody is that this phone offers everything somebody needs now and as a bonus at a fantastic price and for a very long time.
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Why do you feel it's time to move on from the headphone jack? You can get incredible sounding audio from it, it's royalty free (maybe USB-c is too? idk), any connector made to fit into the jack will just work, and no need for dongles or adapters. I've seen reviews on many usb-c headphones that they don't work with or aren't fully compatible with various devices
I agree with the other points though

liam_davenport said:
No Wireless Charging: I feel like no wireless charging on a glassbacked device is a big FU, No reason to drop metal unibody for weaker glass only to cut costs and raise profit margins the same reason no wireless charging included, "The whole it's slow" is a bs excuse, Xiaomi proved that with 20w wireless charging on the Mi 9.
No 3.5mm Jack: Why remove the universal audio port??? Again no reason, No alternatives only to push there crappy accessories. Why should we be forced to re buy headphone etc when our current headphones work fine? Also to touch on the charging point now as we have no headphone jack we have 2x the wear on the Type C port so wireless charging could of helped with that to migrate the wear and improve longevity.
No SD Card Slot: Again no reason to not include a dual SIM + Micro SD, Another reason to get you to buy higher priced UFS storage instead just like Apple does it. Other devices had no problem including a hybrid dual SIM.
I'll add another of my own
No 3.5mm Jack adapter: How can you remove the headphone port and then make you pay $12.95 for an adapter which is only passive so they cost nothing to make you can buy them from China for like 30 cent each. So think the cost to make it it's nothing to them yet they can't give us one in the box...
All bull**** just to cut costs and make the end user pay more ez marketing. We are getting less for more money.
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To me the wireless charging falls under the "bells and whistles" category; completely unnecessary, but convenient in specific instances. Your phone is still "tethered" to a specific spot; even more so than plugging in because you can't even pick the phone up or charging stops. Maybe it is becoming faster, but what I had read online indicated it was slower than wired charging.
I agree with the audio port issues. Very upsetting they removed it, and couldn't even include an adapter!
At first I thought it was just a blind copy of what apple did (far too much of that going on I think; from the headphone jack, display notch {I personally prefer full-on bezels over any type of notch/cut out/hole punch}, overall design trends {a lot of phones might be mistaken for iPhone at a quick glance these days}), but now I think it's just a money grab
SD cards I think are far less necessary these days with the increased storage capacity of the phones
BTW I like your profile image ? lol

missing fm radio/headphone jack. yes lots of people still love radio... and it's free!
notification led. could have included it.
a macro lens instead of telephoto. besides it's not very good, nor is it 3x.
a red color. like the blue, that would have been badass!
LOVE the popup camera. no more spying!
ability to remap vibrate/silent slider. kinda redundant

buschris said:
a red color. like the blue, that would have been badass!
LOVE the popup camera. no more spying!
ability to remap vibrate/silent slider. kinda redundant
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Red would be cool. I'm surprised they didn't make one!
Have there been any cases of apps using the front camera to spy on people? I hadn't heard of anything like that happening

for headphone jack, try a Bluetooth DAC such as Fiio's btr series. It is very likely better audio quality plus you dont have to tangle the wire since the dac is small and you can just clip it on your clothes somewhere.
I have btr3 and its awesome. All Bluetooth codec supported and sounds great. There are cheaoer options and they are good too.

18pcs said:
I find two very important items missing in the One Plus 7 pro
1) Notification Light
2) Sounds -> Vibrate on Tap
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Try this for notification light.
https://forum.xda-developers.com/oneplus-6t/themes/app-amoled-notification-light-t3943715/post79810512

buschris said:
missing fm radio/headphone jack. yes lots of people still love radio... and it's free!
notification led. could have included it.
a macro lens instead of telephoto. besides it's not very good, nor is it 3x.
a red color. like the blue, that would have been badass!
LOVE the popup camera. no more spying!
ability to remap vibrate/silent slider. kinda redundant
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You nailed it for the pop up camera. I was looking forward to under display camera but not anymore now that you put it this way. I would be sad to see it go for this reason. I would pay extra to have it on the next gen phone.

That pop up camera is so cool

insomnia77 said:
You nailed it for the pop up camera. I was looking forward to under display camera but not anymore now that you put it this way. I would be sad to see it go for this reason. I would pay extra to have it on the next gen phone.
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Have there been any cases of ROMs or apps spying through the front camera?

buschris said:
missing fm radio/headphone jack. yes lots of people still love radio... and it's free!
notification led. could have included it.
a macro lens instead of telephoto. besides it's not very good, nor is it 3x.
a red color. like the blue, that would have been badass!
LOVE the popup camera. no more spying!
ability to remap vibrate/silent slider. kinda redundant
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Have there been any cases of ROMs or apps spying through the front camera?
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Not that im aware of. But Ive always covered them on my tablets and now some devices like the echo show 5 come with a slider to cover it.

Note 10+ features ported to Note 9

Hi
I wonder if some features of the Note 10+ could be ported to the Note 9
I believe that the features that dont depend on different or addicional hardware could be ported
E.G.
- Double tap to wake on system options (that wont mess up AoD)
- S Pen features such as Handwriting recognition or others (not the gestures part cause they depend on some addiocional hardware on the Note 9 S Pen, and also... they´re just weird *...)
- SuperSteady Video and Night Mode on front camera would be nice but i´m suspecting that those features might require different or addicional hardware
- Samsung DeX on Windows would also be nice to have...
These are a few of the features i would enjoy on my Note 9
What you guys think?
Do you believe that is better to make the upgrade?
Or you agree that some of the new features of the Note 10+ should be updated to the Note 9 from Samsung itself?
What features would you like to use on your Note 9?
RSGI
* - If you dont mind looking like Harry Potter while taking a picture outside... go ahead and upgrade

Have upgraded but I agree, a lot of the newer features are mostly software...
After the hoo-haa of the Note 10 release, probably 3 - 4 months away, the Note 9 should get a few of these features (those not dependent on the new hardware anyway)..
If not, Samsung is guilty of forcing you to upgrade simply for their financial gain.

ultramag69 said:
If not, Samsung is guilty of forcing you to upgrade simply for their financial gain.
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This is typical of all mobile device manufacturers. As that is the only way the can make a profit. Also all modern electronics are designed to fail within 2 years.

iceepyon said:
This is typical of all mobile device manufacturers. As that is the only way the can make a profit. Also all modern electronics are designed to fail within 2 years.
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Hey, I'm with my S5 since start of 2015 and it's still working fine Gonna upgrade to the 512 N9 tho.

ultramag69 said:
Have upgraded but I agree, a lot of the newer features are mostly software...
After the hoo-haa of the Note 10 release, probably 3 - 4 months away, the Note 9 should get a few of these features (those not dependent on the new hardware anyway)..
If not, Samsung is guilty of forcing you to upgrade simply for their financial gain.
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Forcing? Seriously? What an entitled generation! Samsung pays for that software to be developed. You can pay for it too! They aren't forcing you to do anything. Profit is good. It drives innovation.

koragg97 said:
Hey, I'm with my S5 since start of 2015 and it's still working fine Gonna upgrade to the 512 N9 tho.
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My old Note 4 N910C is working perfectly as well. However recently I have been having issues getting a decent signal with HK Cell Providers, which is what forced me to upgrade to the Note 8.

gruuvin said:
Forcing? Seriously? What an entitled generation! Samsung pays for that software to be developed. You can pay for it too! They aren't forcing you to do anything. Profit is good. It drives innovation.
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I would pay them to use the features on my Note 9.
But I will never buy a phone without headphone jack and a punchout hole.

I'd really like the screen recorder software on the note 10+ to be ported to the note 9!
I recieved my note 10+ yesterday and its really not impressing me. It feels a little off for some reason. Maybe because the power button being on the left side? I can't quite place my distaste for this phone.
I find my fingers getting in the way of the camera quite easily. And the front facing camera, not sure if I'd ever get use to that. Every time I make/recieve a call all I see is that camera about to goto my ear and it feels like my ear is about to be violated by a doctor with a telephoto stethoscope?
Enough of that though! Yes, the screen recorder definitely needs to come to the note 9.

Shad0wsabr3 said:
I'd really like the screen recorder software on the note 10+ to be ported to the note 9!
I recieved my note 10+ yesterday and its really not impressing me. It feels a little off for some reason. Maybe because the power button being on the left side? I can't quite place my distaste for this phone.
I find my fingers getting in the way of the camera quite easily. And the front facing camera, not sure if I'd ever get use to that. Every time I make/recieve a call all I see is that camera about to goto my ear and it feels like my ear is about to be violated by a doctor with a telephoto stethoscope?
Enough of that though! Yes, the screen recorder definitely needs to come to the note 9.
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You can get native screen recording with good Lock using the nice shot module.

Isn't it a bit like you would have to buy a new PC every time windows comes with a new feature or something?
Anyway, I can search handwritten notes and also extract text, so I think Note9 already has Handwriting recognition? Maybe it's build in the the Note app itself?

Chaos Engine said:
I would pay them to use the features on my Note 9.
But I will never buy a phone without headphone jack and a punchout hole.
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I agree! Neither would I. I'll use a Note9 for as long as possible, and if Samsung doesn't smarten up, this will be my last Samsung. No headphone jack was a retarded Apple idea that Samsung follows like lemmings off a cliff.

gruuvin said:
I agree! Neither would I. I'll use a Note9 for as long as possible, and if Samsung doesn't smarten up, this will be my last Samsung. No headphone jack was a retarded Apple idea that Samsung follows like lemmings off a cliff.
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To be fair Samsung has been following Apple for a long time.

dave678 said:
To be fair Samsung has been following Apple for a long time.
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Yep. No replaceable battery. No sdcard. But they brought back the sdcard, then brought in the dumb curved edges. Removing the headphone jack goes too far. I won't buy another Samsung if I cannot connect my headphones.

gruuvin said:
Yep. No replaceable battery. No sdcard. But they brought back the sdcard, then brought in the dumb curved edges. Removing the headphone jack goes too far. I won't buy another Samsung if I cannot connect my headphones.
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The curved display, while a little annoying, isn't so bad, you can get used to it --- my only huge complaint about it is that it makes cases a nightmare because you can't physically reach the edges of the screen thanks to the design of most cases... (Although arguably if you don't drop the phone you really don't need a case today thanks to the super-hard gorilla glass, I'm just paranoid from so many years of " just look at the phone to hard and it'll get a scratch" --- the one and only feature that flip phones really were a better design)
Also, I think I saw somewhere that one version of the Note 10 actually loses the SD card once again in favor of dual SIMs instead... (though that could be for specific markets where it's more popular like Asia)
I agree on the headphone jack - I actually spend considerable money on good headphones (both my main PC headphones and my phone headset are Sennheiser) because you simply cannot get the same quality from Bluetooth yet (not to mention that is one more device to remember to charge --- though when/if they could get charging as quick as the Spen I'd forgive that, I'd even give up longer listening times if I could just hold the headphones against the back of the device for 30 seconds to get an hour of listening time)
And here's a disturbing thought --- Is the removal of the headphone jack just a step towards removing ALL wired peripheral support? I mean we have wireless charging now, and wireless headphones/headsets, not to mention wireless keyboards/mouse and wireless displays (albeit with slow refresh time and/or high lag) so arguably they could "justify" removing the USB port as well to claim "now it's 100% sealed so it's more waterproof!" while, in reality, making it that much harder to root the phone (and conveniently making wireless peripherals "only work best with Samsung brands" like the Samsung's wireless earbuds)?

gruuvin said:
Yep. No replaceable battery. No sdcard. But they brought back the sdcard, then brought in the dumb curved edges. Removing the headphone jack goes too far. I won't buy another Samsung if I cannot connect my headphones.
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Move on, who uses wired headphones anyway? It is more and more as cliche.

Burgscheinkerkdeiktraast said:
Move on, who uses wired headphones anyway? It is more and more as cliche.
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Lots of people use wired headphones. And lots of people are not buying devices because they lack a 3m5mm audio jack.
But, Go on and toe the line for device manufactures though, who are simply doing this the cut costs and make waterproof certification easier.

Bober_is_a_troll said:
Lots of people use wired headphones. And lots of people are not buying devices because they lack a 3m5mm audio jack.
But, Go on and toe the line for device manufactures though, who are simply doing this the cut costs and make waterproof certification easier.
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Well it's not like if technology shouldn't advance. I'm not saying the Jack has to go right now, but at some point it will need to. Could you imagine if digital cameras today still required a roll of film to use in some way?
Now instead of buying a roll of film, you buy an sdcard. Instead of buying wires, you buy wireless. Instead of using fax, you can now email.
All advances my friends, all advances. And yes a company has to cut cost because....
Say it with me...
"All businesses are in the business of making money!"
Hey look at it this way though. At least the phone comes with wireless Airbuds that IT can charge. Now that's tech! I can't charge any other damn thing in my house without plugging it in, yet that thing can charge music transporters?!
Think about that for a second...

Jammol said:
Well it's not like if technology shouldn't advance. I'm not saying the Jack has to go right now, but at some point it will need to. Could you imagine if digital cameras today still required a roll of film to use in some way?
Now instead of buying a roll of film, you buy an sdcard. Instead of buying wires, you buy wireless. Instead of using fax, you can now email.
All advances my friends, all advances. And yes a company has to cut cost because....
Say it with me...
"All businesses are in the business of making money!"
Hey look at it this way though. At least the phone comes with wireless Airbuds that IT can charge. Now that's tech! I can't charge any other damn thing in my house without plugging it in, yet that thing can charge music transporters?!
Think about that for a second...
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How idiodic to compare going from film to SD cards.. a clear improvement,both in terms of speed and reusability.
While on the other hand going from wired headphones with no audio quality loss,no batteries to recharge, and most importantly, NO BATTERIES TO RECHARGE.
Wireless headphones are useless for many people, including those who ride streetbikes and put headphones I. While riding. Good luck getting wireless headphones to fit under a helmet without turning your ears Into Swiss cheese, and hopefully you don't go out for more than 4 hours at a time, otherwise, no music 4 u!
It's not an "advancement". You don't need to remove the headphone jack to have the ability to use wireless headphones.
Say it with me one more time.... The lack of the 3.5mm headphone jack is just a way for companies to cut costs and make waterproof certification easier. It has nothing to do with "technology advancing". It's the same reason that only the note 4 had a IR blaster and then they stopped that. It was an incredibly useful feature that was cut to make more $$$. Samsung is doing it's best to put me on a xaomi or huwaie phone. Currently they seem to be the best phones on the market when you look at features vs price.
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dave678 said:
OEM's put headphone jacks on phones back in the days of the flip phone. Now everyone is just copying Apple becasue it's so trendy. The jack will never be obsolete lol. Sure, IR and a jack connector are “old tech”. The launch date of the tech is not the relevant factor. What matters is whether these technologies remain in installed use. Most PA systems, projectors, TVs, air cons etc installed and in use in hotels, meeting rooms, schools, clubs and so on use these technologies.
So if you want to interface with them, you need those technologies.
I just love it when all these bleeding edge people with their bleeding edge gizmos discover that it takes an old fuddy-duddy with a proper ‘workhorse’ phone to be able to get the projector switched on before business can commence.
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But, but, my phone has a 98% screen to bezel ratio! It's certainly better!

dave678 said:
OEM's put headphone jacks on phones back in the days of the flip phone. Now everyone is just copying Apple becasue it's so trendy. The jack will never be obsolete lol. Sure, IR and a jack connector are “old tech”. The launch date of the tech is not the relevant factor. What matters is whether these technologies remain in installed use. Most PA systems, projectors, TVs, air cons etc installed and in use in hotels, meeting rooms, schools, clubs and so on use these technologies.
So if you want to interface with them, you need those technologies.
I just love it when all these bleeding edge people with their bleeding edge gizmos discover that it takes an old fuddy-duddy with a proper ‘workhorse’ phone to be able to get the projector switched on before business can commence.
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Bober_is_a_troll said:
How idiodic to compare going from film to SD cards.. a clear improvement,both in terms of speed and reusability.
While on the other hand going from wired headphones with no audio quality loss,no batteries to recharge, and most importantly, NO BATTERIES TO RECHARGE.
Wireless headphones are useless for many people, including those who ride streetbikes and put headphones I. While riding. Good luck getting wireless headphones to fit under a helmet without turning your ears Into Swiss cheese, and hopefully you don't go out for more than 4 hours at a time, otherwise, no music 4 u!
It's not an "advancement". You don't need to remove the headphone jack to have the ability to use wireless headphones.
Say it with me one more time.... The lack of the 3.5mm headphone jack is just a way for companies to cut costs and make waterproof certification easier. It has nothing to do with "technology advancing". It's the same reason that only the note 4 had a IR blaster and then they stopped that. It was an incredibly useful feature that was cut to make more $$$. Samsung is doing it's best to put me on a xaomi or huwaie phone. Currently they seem to be the best phones on the market when you look at features vs price.
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But, but, my phone has a 98% screen to bezel ratio! It's certainly better!
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Why do I get the idea that neither of you took my post for the sarcasm sections that it had.??? Well it is somewhat difficult to portray over text with giveaways. ?
Well I guess I have to be serious about my post then.
First guy, Dave, cool man, yes those technologies are everywhere, the systems advanced to where they got so that they can be utilized everywhere. Wireless tech is advancing as well. BMW has a car that can be charged wirelessly. Think of all the other tech that could be charged wirelessly in the future. Or what other advancements they can make based off that tech. Wait, why am I even talking about this? None of the TVs in my house have RGB connectors, and they said that's the best visual experience we could get. Now we have wireless 4k.
As for the troll guy, I am starting to think you might be the troll. Or you're just really hotheaded. You started your reply with calling my comparison idiotic. And you want an intelligent response from people? Nowhere in my post did I use inflamatory or disrespectful language, but in this one you'll get the feeling.
The point of my post was to show a logical reason for killing the headphone Jack. I even stated it shouldn't be killed right now, but no, you decided to skip over that first opening slice. I went on to agree with you on the fact that yes, they are doing it to cut cost. Hence "all businesses are in the business of making money!" Cause you know, people like money and companies have people in them. A shareholder's goal is to make as much money as possible so that the company keeps making money. Yes cut costs to save money. Hey look I was still agreeing with you.
You all sound like a bunch of old folks who don't like change. If you don't like the direction a company is going, buy some shares and be on the board of decision makers. If not, don't buy their devices. Or....go make your own.
Things will change with or without you, so either accept it or continue to feel bitter about old tech, yes OLD TECH, I SAID IT!!!
I need to stay off the internet at night. I seem to get into some weird stuff.
By the way, while y'all are *****ing about the 3.5mm headphone jack and missing it oh so much, Flynt Michigan STILL doesn't have clean water fam. STILL!??
TALK ABOUT LACK OF ADVANCEMENT OF TECHNOLOGY!

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