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Every time I hear an American pronounce "mobile" I always wonder if I'm wrong in my pronunciation.
Click the links to hear different pronunciations:
1. mō-bī-əl (how I pronounce it)
2. mō-bəl (how most Americans pronounce it)
3. mō-bēl (how the French pronounce it)
How do you pronounce mobile and which do you think is correct in the context of wireless phones?
mo-bill ftw!
yes i'm american
I'm British and, at the risk of getting my arse kicked by my "American cousins", it is definitely pronounced "mo-bi-al".....Americans are often lazy in their use of the English language, so they will silence letters to reduce the number of syllables in a word....
Just to prove my point, if it's pronounced "mo-bill", is an old person "se-nill" or is war "few-till" or will it be ready in a little "will"
That's my opinion - and I know I (can) speak English properly
Mark.
WOW
Mark, that was really funny, but really true at the same time! I like it! Nice job clearing things up!
Somehow I think one should defer to the British when asked what is the right way to speak English
Surur
Mark Crouch said:
I'm British and, at the risk of getting my arse kicked by my "American cousins", it is definitely pronounced "mo-bi-al".....Americans are often lazy in their use of the English language, so they will silence letters to reduce the number of syllables in a word....
Just to prove my point, if it's pronounced "mo-bill", is an old person "se-nill" or is war "few-till" or will it be ready in a little "will"
That's my opinion - and I know I (can) speak English properly
Mark.
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Yea, your examples do make sense. However, at the risk of throwing a wrench in your theory, American, British and Canadian all pronounce "automobile" as in example #3
we don't even call it a Mobile but fartelefon
gullum said:
we don't even call it a Mobile but fartelefon
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Thanks for sharing gulum, that is way too close to Fart Telethon for comfort
uh, dude, it's a CELL phone.
i say moe-bile
in my nativ language it's mo-bil
I use the second one. Though in my language it is "Mo Bill" ("o" in "mo" like in "Colt")
borealcool said:
Yea, your examples do make sense. However, at the risk of throwing a wrench in your theory, American, British and Canadian all pronounce "automobile" as in example #3
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Err british (myslef at the least) prononce automobile as au-to-mo-beale not au-to-mo-bill
Midget_1990 said:
Err british (myslef at the least) prononce automobile as au-to-mo-beale not au-to-mo-bill
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That's right, as in example #3 of my original post.
As for Americans, they don't pronounce mobile as in mo-bill, mo-bial or mo-beale. They completely silence the "i" as in marble or noble.
Yeah, typically an American would say moe-bull.
Yes, this phonetic feature is called "ellision" and can be found often in AE.
BTW: correct spelling in International Phonetic Alphabet (IPA) for the received pronounciation would be "ai" rather than "ia" concerning the vowel in the last syllable -"
Nope, I'm not even a native speaker of the English language So I'm pretty objective when it comes to things like these.
E_Shinobi said:
Yes, this phonetic feature is called "ellision" and can be found often in AE.
BTW: correct spelling in International Phonetic Alphabet (IPA) for the received pronounciation would be "ai" rather than "ia" concerning the vowel in the last syllable -"
Nope, I'm not even a native speaker of the English language So I'm pretty objective when it comes to things like these.
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Élision is a French grammatical rule which consists in silencing the final vowel of a word if it precedes another word beginning with a vowel or silent h. For instance you would say l'article and not la article. Germans have another grammatical rule for ae, oe and ue.
why Americans silence the i in mobile is probably a question of dialect influenced by pop culture. For example an icon of American industry is Exxon-Mobil pronounced mo-ble.
One spanner.....back at ya!!!
borealcool said:
Yea, your examples do make sense. However, at the risk of throwing a wrench in your theory, American, British and Canadian all pronounce "automobile" as in example #3
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Ah yes, that is true.....however (throws spanner back across the pond), the example you gave has a preceding syllable (or two ) - pronounced "or-toe", not "or-doe" as the Americans would have it
The same soft-pronunciation is true for words like "snowmobile" and "Oldsmobile" - both of which are American-originated words...guess us Limeys just copied the mis-pronunciation (having given up any hope of getting Americans to speak the language properly) and it's stuck....
This debate will undoubtedly run for many centuries to come - I for one will shortly be donning my disguise and emigrating to Outer Mongolia, lest an irate American should come looking for me
Mark.
PS. One final question.....I sometimes hear (in films....uhh..movies) the phrase "he's/she's/it's been 86'ed"....can anyone offer a) a translation into English, b) an explanation of the origin of that phrase.....please....
Mark Crouch said:
Ah yes, that is true.....however (throws spanner back across the pond), the example you gave has a preceding syllable (or two ) - pronounced "or-toe", not "or-doe" as the Americans would have it
The same soft-pronunciation is true for words like "snowmobile" and "Oldsmobile" - both of which are American-originated words...guess us Limeys just copied the mis-pronunciation (having given up any hope of getting Americans to speak the language properly) and it's stuck....
This debate will undoubtedly run for many centuries to come - I for one will shortly be donning my disguise and emigrating to Outer Mongolia, lest an irate American should come looking for me
Mark.
PS. One final question.....I sometimes hear (in films....uhh..movies) the phrase "he's/she's/it's been 86'ed"....can anyone offer a) a translation into English, b) an explanation of the origin of that phrase.....please....
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I'm glad this thread is taking a humour u-turn, I sort of had second thoughts after posting it
86ed is straight out of American pop culture and look no further than the Urban Dictionary for an answer
borealcool said:
I'm glad this thread is taking a humour u-turn, I sort of had second thoughts after posting it
86ed is straight out of American pop culture and look no further than the Urban Dictionary for an answer
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Thanks for that - it made for some interesting reading I've bookmarked that site in case I ever need anything else explained to me....
Oh, and don't worry about posting threads like this - it's good to have some off-topic light humour once in a while. It makes a nice change from all the ranting and stupid questions that the main forums are littered with
OK, it's 1am UK time.....I'm beat....."time for bed", said Zebedee (explained here)
Mark.
Mark Crouch said:
Thanks for that - it made for some interesting reading I've bookmarked that site in case I ever need anything else explained to me....
Oh, and don't worry about posting threads like this - it's good to have some off-topic light humour once in a while. It makes a nice change from all the ranting and stupid questions that the main forums are littered with
OK, it's 1am UK time.....I'm beat....."time for bed", said Zebedee (explained here)
Mark.
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Ok good night Zebedee, but you're not getting off that easily. When you're back, I want to know why the British pronounce words containing "aw", "au" and many words ending with an "a" as "AR". Don't send your "laryer" after me
Hello,everyone.I am just a Chinese Junior High School student and want to practise English in the forum,of course,I am very interested in Android OS though I haven't had an Android phone yet.I hope I can make friends with the memebers.
Age:14
Birthplace:Hebei Province,China
Certainly,I am a boy!
Welcome to the forums.
are you going to get an android device soon?
Welcome to forums
Read, Search, Respect and Enjoy!
Age 200 yrs
Birthplace: México City
Sex: Yes!
betalove said:
Hello,everyone.I am just a Chinese Junior High School student and want to practise English in the forum,of course,I am very interested in Android OS though I haven't had an Android phone yet.I hope I can make friends with the memebers.
Age:14
Birthplace:Hebei Province,China
Certainly,I am a boy!
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betalove said:
Hello,everyone.I am just a Chinese Junior High School student and want to practise English in the forum,of course,I am very interested in Android OS though I haven't had an Android phone yet.I hope I can make friends with the memebers.
Age:14
Birthplace:Hebei Province,China
Certainly,I am a boy!
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I wouldn't normally say anything, but since you said you are wanting to work on your English, I'll do some peer editing
Just a couple things:
-practice
- When you do punctuations in English, you add a space after them and before the next word. It makes it easier for others to read and separate your thoughts and ideas.
I'm certainly impressed though, your English at 14 is far better than my Chinese at 21
Welcome to the forum, you will make many friends here.
Your English is excellent by the way (BTW).
Welcome to the forums. Yes your English is good for a 14 year old, don't want to say that its excellent (for motivational reasons).
And as someone above me said, please use the spacebar after commas and other punctuation.
Orb, you playa.. made my laugh yet again 'Yes!' Haha
Join Team Llama!
That is all. Good Bye.
Sent from my HTC Desire using the XDApp. Pure Madness.
betalove said:
Hello,everyone.I am just a Chinese Junior High School student and want to practise English in the forum,of course,I am very interested in Android OS though I haven't had an Android phone yet.I hope I can make friends with the memebers.
Age:14
Birthplace:Hebei Province,China
Certainly,I am a boy!
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welcome to the forums. You should join Team LLama . We need a Ninja to learn ninja skills to take over XDA.
hey, im a 12 year kid in the US that has nothing to do ever (because I get straight A's easy) so i go on xda and hack the crap out of my android. btw, i speak chinese too( go bilingual people) as my parents only know chinese so ummm yeah... welcome to xda!
kevina90 said:
hey, im a 12 year kid in the US that has nothing to do ever (because I get straight A's easy) so i go on xda and hack the crap out of my android. btw, i speak chinese too( go bilingual people) as my parents only know chinese so ummm yeah... welcome to xda!
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What sick teacher is giving you an "A" in English?
Poor grammar,
Horrible Punctuation,
I don't even see a single capitalized word in any of your run on sentences!
FAIL FAIL FAIL!!!!
T.C.P said:
welcome to the forums. You should join Team LLama . We need a Ninja to learn ninja skills to take over XDA.
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You fail too!!!!! Ninjas are Japanese!!!!!!
DAILY DOUBLE FAIL!!!!
kevina90 said:
hey, im a 12 year kid in the US that has nothing to do ever (because I get straight A's easy) so i go on xda and hack the crap out of my android. btw, i speak chinese too( go bilingual people) as my parents only know chinese so ummm yeah... welcome to xda!
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nice , now ya get banned for not bein 13
fail #3
and u even write it in ur sig
fail #4
telegraph0000 said:
What sick teacher is giving you an "A" in English?
Poor grammar,
Horrible Punctuation,
I don't even see a single capitalized word in any of your run on sentences!
FAIL FAIL FAIL!!!!
You fail too!!!!! Ninjas are Japanese!!!!!!
DAILY DOUBLE FAIL!!!!
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damn u are right!! I meant Learn Kung Fu panda
urbanengine1 said:
Welcome to the forums.
are you going to get an android device soon?
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Oh,you know Chinese people are not as rich as American people.I think I am too poor to get an android device.Maybe you can send one to me.
Thank you,I will.
If I make a mistake,I hope most of memebers (not all) can forgive me.
I believe I can learn a lot of useful things from the forum that is full of cool hackers and developers.
betalove said:
Oh,you know Chinese people are not as rich as American people.I think I am too poor to get an android device.Maybe you can send one to me.
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betalove said:
Thank you,I will.
If I make a mistake,I hope most of memebers (not all) can forgive me.
I believe I can learn a lot of useful things from the forum that is full of cool hackers and developers.
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When you type with punctuations, use a space after the punctuation. A good way to learn this is to use Microsoft Word and see everything that's underlined green and red. Usually it comes with explanation.
That said and done, your written English is alright but from my understanding of Chinese English users, your spoken English will be more useful to get a good first impression. While I do advice reading of English materials from the standard package of magazines and newspapers (Reader's Digest, for one), learning to listen and speak the language will be more difficult. One thing I can suggest is to listen to English news broadcast from either Britain or the USA. Listen to the way they speak, and try to follow their tone. Inflection (the emphasis on which syllable to stress on) is another danger for non-native speakers. On a side note, training in music helps here because you know what to hear for
As a multi-linguist, I also caution against the use of translating words directly from one language to another. You will lose the grammatical structure and the nuances of the language when you do that. While it may get you started, the way English speakers speak English and the way non-English speakers speak English is different and almost immediately noticeable.
As someone who has helped a lot of non-English users get proficient with the language, I recommend several tools:
1. Google Translate <- translate major languages as well as the pronunciation.
2. Google Chrome <- highlight word, right-click, search!
Last but not least, welcome to XDA!
Age: 25
Birthplace: Somewhere in Malaysia, Malaysia
Certainly, I am a boy! <- FTW!
And @orb3000... he's 14, so
SEX: right hand
/the internet is for pr0n
booyakasha said:
I wouldn't normally say anything, but since you said you are wanting to work on your English, I'll do some peer editing
Just a couple things:
-practice
- When you do punctuations in English, you add a space after them and before the next word. It makes it easier for others to read and separate your thoughts and ideas.
I'm certainly impressed though, your English at 14 is far better than my Chinese at 21
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Thank you for your praise and suggestion. I think I am quite weak in English if I want to be a programmer. I will do my best.
sakai4eva said:
When you type with punctuations, use a space after the punctuation. A good way to learn this is to use Microsoft Word and see everything that's underlined green and red. Usually it comes with explanation.
That said and done, your written English is alright but from my understanding of Chinese English users, your spoken English will be more useful to get a good first impression. While I do advice reading of English materials from the standard package of magazines and newspapers (Reader's Digest, for one), learning to listen and speak the language will be more difficult. One thing I can suggest is to listen to English news broadcast from either Britain or the USA. Listen to the way they speak, and try to follow their tone. Inflection (the emphasis on which syllable to stress on) is another danger for non-native speakers. On a side note, training in music helps here because you know what to hear for
As a multi-linguist, I also caution against the use of translating words directly from one language to another. You will lose the grammatical structure and the nuances of the language when you do that. While it may get you started, the way English speakers speak English and the way non-English speakers speak English is different and almost immediately noticeable.
As someone who has helped a lot of non-English users get proficient with the language, I recommend several tools:
1. Google Translate <- translate major languages as well as the pronunciation.
2. Google Chrome <- highlight word, right-click, search!
Last but not least, welcome to XDA!
Age: 25
Birthplace: Somewhere in Malaysia, Malaysia
Certainly, I am a boy! <- FTW!
And @orb3000... he's 14, so
SEX: right hand
/the internet is for pr0n
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That's very useful. Thank you very much!
What about the November security patches? We have to wait for Lineage, AOSP?
It will have to be third party. N6 reached EOL for google.
"Good judgment comes from experience, and a lot of that comes from bad judgment." - Will Rogers
ktmom said:
It will have to be third party. N6 reached EOL for google.
"Good judgment comes from experience, and a lot of that comes from bad judgment." - Will Rogers
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Reaching the EOL was the reason of asking
Was hoping they'd address Krack vulnerability Issue
Really just thoughts and opinions here as there's no yes or no answer to this yet, it's not out thus no AOSP! But what do y'all think? IF it's possible, you think the shamu will see some new development? I know the Nexus 4 mako is on Oreo 8.1 right now! Gives me some optimism.
If developers are still showing Shamu some love, then I wouldn't be surprised if P shows up for us. we benefit from developers keeping their own phones alive.
"Good judgment comes from experience, and a lot of that comes from bad judgment." - Will Rogers
I have hope for this.
ktmom said:
If developers are still showing Shamu some love, then I wouldn't be surprised if P shows up for us. we benefit from developers keeping their own phones alive.
"Good judgment comes from experience, and a lot of that comes from bad judgment." - Will Rogers
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I am not aware of any developer for shamu who is still using his shamu as daily driver.
I did the oreo bringup for shamu just because I can.
I get the impression that Oreo was harder than most other Android upgrades. I'm not really taking about the N6 here, as of course Google did the work for the previous versions - but about unsupported phones in general.
Maybe Oreo changed a lot as part of project Treble? We can hope that P gets easier if it only evolves Treble a bit.
I got my fingers crossed on this one, I'm really hoping project treble truly does make porting Android easier! The shamu was such a great device for it's time, and in my opinion at least, it's holding up fine! It'd be nice to have continued support on this device!
As an example I have a Samsung Galaxy S2 which is running N and doing it reasonably usably. There is someone working on O for it with LineageOS and they may get there. If there are lots of a model out there, someone somewhere will try and get it working for those of us who can't do it ourselves.
The Nexus 6 is a lot younger than the Galaxy S2. I have one as my daily and I think I have good odds of continuing to use it for a while yet.
Elektroschmock said:
I am not aware of any developer for shamu who is still using his shamu as daily driver.
I did the oreo bringup for shamu just because I can.
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so you are working without giving any love for the device ?
But there is developers who still working on our shamu because they love this device
MiroALG said:
But there is developers who still working on our shamu because they love this device
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Wow really? That is great news. Could you give me the link to their device repository? So far I have only found 'developers' who use mostly my commits.
ktmom said:
If developers are still showing Shamu some love, then I wouldn't be surprised if P shows up for us. we benefit from developers keeping their own phones alive.
"Good judgment comes from experience, and a lot of that comes from bad judgment." - Will Rogers
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I really like that quote by Will Rogers. Where have I heard that name before? Lost in space?
DerrickTight said:
I really like that quote by Will Rogers. Where have I heard that name before? Lost in space?
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Will Rogers was an American actor, comedian and political satirist who died in 1935.
"Good judgment comes from experience, and a lot of that comes from bad judgment." - Will Rogers
ktmom said:
Will Rogers was an American actor, comedian and political satirist who died in 1935.
"Good judgment comes from experience, and a lot of that comes from bad judgment." - Will Rogers
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I dont think I've heard of your Will Rogers and after looking it up I think I heard the name from Buck Rogers. I think the robot called him Will Rogers. My older brother used to watch that show alot when I was a little child. The quote shows good logic and perspective
Elektroschmock said:
Wow really? That is great news. Could you give me the link to their device repository? So far I have only found 'developers' who use mostly my commits.
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because you're commits come from lineage os community ?
DerrickTight said:
I dont think I've heard of your Will Rogers and after looking it up I think I heard the name from Buck Rogers. I think the robot called him Will Rogers. My older brother used to watch that show alot when I was a little child. The quote shows good logic and perspective
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Twiki always called him "Buck", his nickname. The character's given name in both TV and the source material was William, but it was never used except in the second season of the TV series, when Buck was on trial for treason.
As to Buck Rogers itself, the TV show is a so-so adaptation of the original sources, Armageddon 2419 and its sequel War Against the Han. Honestly it would have been more successful had the premise not changed in season 2.
Of course, Buck never uttered the quote in ktmom's signature. Will Rogers was a real person, while William "Buck" Rogers is but a character.
Strephon Alkhalikoi said:
Twiki always called him "Buck", his nickname. The character's given name in both TV and the source material was William, but it was never used except in the second season of the TV series, when Buck was on trial for treason.
As to Buck Rogers itself, the TV show is a so-so adaptation of the original sources, Armageddon 2419 and its sequel War Against the Han. Honestly it would have been more successful had the premise not changed in season 2.
Of course, Buck never uttered the quote in ktmom's signature. Will Rogers was a real person, while William "Buck" Rogers is but a character.
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It doesn't really matter lol. Thanks though
@DerrickTight: Crap like that is what happens when I post rather than sleep.
MiroALG said:
because you're commits come from lineage os community
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My commits are made by me and nobody else.
MiroALG said:
because you're commits come from lineage os community
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Hi please think before comments like these which might cause offense. He is the LineageOS device maintainer for shamu and thus is the majority of the "lineage os community" for this device. He has spent many hours making LOS work on shamu.
You youngsters.
Will Rogers (I) (1879–1935)
https://www.imdb.com/name/nm0737259/?ref_=nv_sr_1
"World-famous, widely popular American humorist of the vaudeville stage and of silent and sound films...."
Just for the fun of it.
Not always thinking of the context and having problems with the android language (and having trouble with English), I sometimes have some surprise here.
So when I saw a subject about "how to convert oxygen to hydrogen" I was wondering why some people here were speaking of nuclear physic. Well, me wrong, it was just some android stuff.