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You have to try those to believe how good the Winterface application is. I saw the review on Tiltsite.com today, downloaded it and immediately loved it. It is extremely finger friendly, the interface is very intuitive and beautifully designed. It also uses minimum amount of system resource thus is very efficient.
http://iwindowsmobile.com/vito-mobile-shell.html
Their FunContacts is also a gem to have. Extremly finger friendly, smooth scrolling of the contact list like the iPhone. It absolutely replaces the old school "stylus-required" contact application included in WM6.1.
http://iwindowsmobile.com/contact-manager.html
I've also tried their Zoomboard application, I think it's a good concept, however there is room for improvement. It is still quite slow to type on the Zoomboard application. However the accuracy of the text is improved dramatically because of the zoomed in text let you see what you've pressed on the screen. But it still can't beat Kaiser/Tilt's excellent keyboard for typing.
http://iwindowsmobile.com/onscreen-keyboard.html
Enough said, I strongly encourage people to try it out. It will be a investment well spend. They also have a whole lot of other nicely designed applications on their webpage, check them out too.
http://iwindowsmobile.com/
seems like alot to spend on a couple of good apps that already exist freely...iContact, HTC album (for the photo thing) and even the (Samsung Glyde copy) button interface all exist free of charge. I'd have to see better to be convinced to put down $40 for 2 apps.
how do you install over an existing GUI... today screen , start menu, taskbar, etc???..
does it wipe them all out?
can you go back easily?
tahnx
nufsaid said:
seems like alot to spend on a couple of good apps that already exist freely...iContact, HTC album (for the photo thing) and even the (Samsung Glyde copy) button interface all exist free of charge. I'd have to see better to be convinced to put down $40 for 2 apps.
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Just some extra options for people to try, you don't lose money for trying it..
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how do you install over an existing GUI... today screen , start menu, taskbar, etc???..
does it wipe them all out?
can you go back easily?
tahnx
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I don't know what to say other than, yes, no, yes!
Conflicts
Do you know of any conflicts with this app? I have HHC installed right now.
amkaos said:
how do you install over an existing GUI... today screen , start menu, taskbar, etc???..
does it wipe them all out?
can you go back easily?
tahnx
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You slide your finger in an arc to enable the interface from your home screen or anywhere else. You can click okay button and easily go back to normal interface if you choose to do so.
When phone is unlocked in Winterface, you can "slide to unlock" the phone with a touch of a finger.
I installed this over Garmin's DK1 WM6.1 cooked rom, so far everything works smooth as silk. Garmin's DK1 includes HTC Home v2.0.1812282.1 that I enabled in my home screen. This app run dependent of HTC Home plugin so there is no problems that I found.
In my opinion this app totally replaces HTC Home just because it is much more intuitive (it displays # of new message you got or # of missed calls you have and stuff like that). Couple finger movement after you can reach almost any application on the phone.
I don't work for this company or anything... Just think it's a really cool app to try.
And after couple hours of useage, here is a little short list of pros and rooms for improvement:
Pro -
Extremly finger friendly, smooth flow, elegant design layout.
Low memory useage, fast start up anywhere in the OS.
Very intuitive interface, texts under icons are extremely useful, compare to some other apps who only incorporated icons.
Love to be able to mix and match the apps I need and put them in order I want.
Room for improvement -
Slide to unlock button will disappear if a phone call caused the phone to lock itself, the phone would also lock itself unwanted after a phone call is in progress. It is annoying because when you want to press the keys on the screen, you find the phone locked with slide to unlock.
Contrast of the default icons are rather low (The whites are a bit above mid gray color)
Would be nice to flip from first page to last and then from last to first in one direction.
Would be nice to have option to display non-clear type fonts, my eye don't see well under clear type fonts.
Too bad SMS-Chat and FunContact have problem displaying typed text in landscape orientation in windows mobile 6.1 device (no problem in 6.0 though), or they would work great alone side Winterface.
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Do you know of any conflicts with this app? I have HHC installed right now.
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so, how do i get that display of clock and slide to unlock?
edit :: wait, i get it.. this doesnt come w/anything else..
i like it -- really fast and nice to look at..
thanx..
Hmm,
I found quirks about the FunContact... Clear Type fonts used in that application will make all the typed in text display go blank when viewed in landscape mode... not recommended......
lifanus said:
Hmm,
I found quirks about the FunContact... Clear Type fonts used in that application will make all the typed in text display go blank when viewed in landscape mode... not recommended......
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doesnt that always happen in landscape + clear type ?
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doesnt that always happen in landscape + clear type ?
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I think it does, the system wouldn't even let me enable clear type on landscape mode... Maybe that's why all those apps that use cleartype in landscape mode would not display typed text properly
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seems like alot to spend on a couple of good apps that already exist freely...iContact, HTC album (for the photo thing) and even the (Samsung Glyde copy) button interface all exist free of charge. I'd have to see better to be convinced to put down $40 for 2 apps.
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I personally LOVE the Zoomboard because of it's accuracy when typing one-handed (usually while driving). Obviously, I also prefer the regular hard keyboard, but we all know that's not always an option.
What free software that is similar to Zoomboard are you talking about?
Since there IS a topic about using the G-sensor, I guess it is a good idea to come up with a thread about using the capacative touchpad of the diamond.
Since the test-tools were out, we saw that the left and right part of the centre-button is a multi-touch enabled touchpad.
It could be used in so many ways, for gestures, extra 'hardware' keys, etc. That's the reason for this topic.
Hey, I reverse engineered the Nav wheel. It may be multitouch, but the raw data I get back from the Diamond does not indicate that it is. The only data I was able to retrieve is rotations per second. I also have not figured out how to reverse engineer the center button.
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Hey, I reverse engineered the Nav wheel. It may be multitouch, but the raw data I get back from the Diamond does not indicate that it is. The only data I was able to retrieve is rotations per second. I also have not figured out how to reverse engineer the center button.
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Maybe you have already seen it .. but check out the 'NavDbgTool.exe' here...
http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=Diamond_Testing_Tool
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Since there IS a topic about using the G-sensor, I guess it is a good idea to come up with a thread about using the capacative touchpad of the diamond.
Since the test-tools were out, we saw that the left and right part of the centre-button is a multi-touch enabled touchpad.
It could be used in so many ways, for gestures, extra 'hardware' keys, etc. That's the reason for this topic.
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Good idea ! I was thinking about starting such topic..
What about a unlocker ? If you slide your finger from Home key to the Answer key and at the same time you slide your other finger from the Back key to the Don't Answer key ? Could be nice.. just an idea!
What I have seen, that is quite hard, since above and below the nav-pad is no touch-pad. It sees it as 'nav-pad action' then.
I thought of navigating in another way.
What multitouch-applications do there exist, and are any of them usable for the limited space we have besides the nav-wheel?
It DOES give 4 extra 'hardware' keys. Even key-combinations can be made
Maybe some genious will find a slick way of text-inputting via the 2 pads !
Just give it a small kick upwards
Dont let this topic die?
I was just looking at this for a bit, think I get some clues about how to get the data. I have a time-problem, though Will probably be a while before I pick it up again.
However, I think I saw Schaps mention he is using it in his new touchxperience UI, that'd mean he knows how to do it. Why not just ask him?
I can see one use already. Capacitive sensors are more responsive than resistive screens, so it would be cool to use this in place of touching the screen to scroll through touchflo3d tabs.
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Does any one know if this is implemented in the touch pro? and if so, in what way? Maybe we will inherit whatever the pro has to offer in this regard.
YESSSS!
This is awsome!
Did you guyzz see the vid vid?
Unlocking the Diamond with no Hard button touch at alll?.
Cheers fellasss
Nice, looking forward to a nice task manager and launcher mouse pad thing in the future!
A mouse like on the Samsung Omnia would be a good idea.
Surur
Not really multitouch
OK, I've download the NavDBG tool and played with it... strictly speaking this isn't multitouch, or not multitouch in the way that the apple looks at it. It's single touch but split into 3 areas. Basically imagine the button area at the bottom of the diamond is split into 3 columns.
You have 3 single touch areas:
1) On the left with the home and dial buttons
2) In the middle tracking outside the circle or also detecting a touch (not a button press) inside the circle. If you finger touches both outside and inside the circle, outside the circle takes precedence
3) On the right with the back and hangup buttons.
The multitouch impression comes from the fact that all 3 of these single touch areas can be used simultaneously.
This doesn't in my opinion open up brilliant options in terms of pinch to shrink spread to enlarge ala apple, but it does mean that a device fairly limited in terms of buttons could get a lot of good enhancements to useability.
My biggest annoyance with the device is when you are trying to gesture in TF3D or in an app (eg scrolling in opera) and it decides you've tapped mid gesture and follows a link etc, using the louch sensitive lower areas for gestures would eliminate this problem and make for a much better user experience (in my opinion).
Also, for games, the potential to use the touch sensitive lower area for a range of game controls would be great.
So all good stuff, but not strictly speaking multitouch.
edit: Additionally it seems to only see a narrow horizontal band in the middle (wheel) section. Interestingly it seems to register about 1cm on each side of the wheel and inside the button, it seems to infer rotation around the wheel based on the finger movements as it crosses these areas.
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This doesn't in my opinion open up brilliant options in terms of pinch to shrink spread to enlarge ala apple
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Seeing how small the pad area it, this would still work, just with fingers on different sensitive areas. If fact, this sounds like a perfect first implementation - zooming in Opera Mobile (although a bit senseless since the scroll wheel works with one hand while pinching will need two).
Surur
i think the biggest advantage of this revelation will the benefit of some new added buttons. I can think of a few uses for them too.
left/right touch to
move fwd/back through tabs in opera
skip fwd/back tracks in music player
pounding the hell out of when playing daily thompsons decathalon (if anyone remembers that great 80's game)
I remember reading somewhere that someone is preparing a SDK for this. I think it's very important since we have almost no programmable keys. This can be used as extra keys. Any news on this front?
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I remember reading somewhere that someone is preparing a SDK for this. I think it's very important since we have almost no programmable keys. This can be used as extra keys. Any news on this front?
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I would love to see this!
My full on support.
I was thinking of using the touchpanels for a mousepointer control!
I know, when browsing opera, my fingers are too fat to click small links.
Must keep zooming.
I wonder if it was possible to pop up a mouse cursor, and move it with one small touch-panel. The other panel for left and rightclicks.
I have held my diamond with that idea, and I think it is very useful and finger-friendly!
CapacitiveFingerLock
I did make a Proof of Concept of CapacativeFingerLock. This one gives another possibility of locking/unlocking the Touch Diamond or Touch Pro.
I struggle with the keyboard on this device constantly missing the space bar now my hands are not small I'm 6foot 2.
Any one else got an issue or solution?
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I struggle with the keyboard on this device constantly missing the space bar now my hands are not small I'm 6foot 2.
Any one else got an issue or solution?
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I'm 6' 8" and I use Google keyboard without problems. Maybe try another keyboard. Swiftkey seems to be popular amongst many. My biggest problem is my gigantor thumbs either pressing multiple keys or the wrong key (love auto correct for this) but I don't miss the space bar. Are you using the material theme or holo?
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I'm 6' 8" and I use Google keyboard without problems. Maybe try another keyboard. Swiftkey seems to be popular amongst many. My biggest problem is my gigantor thumbs either pressing multiple keys or the wrong key (love auto correct for this) but I don't miss the space bar. Are you using the material theme or holo?
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I'm using the default white theme (the one that looks new)
And OMFG your 6 foot 8? This phone was made for you!
Cheers for the reply
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I'm using the default white theme (the one that looks new)
And OMFG your 6 foot 8? This phone was made for you!
Cheers for the reply
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Indeed, however I still use two hands at times. I don't have any issues with being able to reach the back key though lol.
Definitely try some third party keyboards, there are tons to choose from.
6 foot 6 here, no problems using SwiftKey tho. You can resize that keyboard. Maybe try that out?
No problems
6 ft 2, no problems with the size of the space bar. Never tried SwiftKey, like the black themed keyboard.
exekias said:
I struggle with the keyboard on this device constantly missing the space bar now my hands are not small I'm 6foot 2.
Any one else got an issue or solution?
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No solution. But yes, totally confirmed. I keep hitting the "b" button when going for the space. The odd thing is that the rest of the board is fine. Just that space. I think the bottom edge of the sensitivity region for the bottom row should be moved up a bit, along with the upper edge of the space key.
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No solution. But yes, totally confirmed. I keep hitting the "b" button when going for the space. The odd thing is that the rest of the board is fine. Just that space. I think the bottom edge of the sensitivity region for the bottom row should be moved up a bit, along with the upper edge of the space key.
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YES i am no the only one.
I can't seem to properly apply a wallpaper with Google Now Launcher. Every time I do, it basically shifts the whole thing to the right, almost as if it's centering it on the right border. I only use 1 home screen (plus the Google now cards screen to the left) so it just doesn't look right like that. Using something like ES file Explorer kind of helps because you can manipulate a bit how to line it up, but it seems imperfect and time consuming. I'd love to just be able to apply them from something like ZEDGE. Anyone have any suggestions?
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I can't seem to properly apply a wallpaper with Google Now Launcher. Every time I do, it basically shifts the whole thing to the right, almost as if it's centering it on the right border. I only use 1 home screen (plus the Google now cards screen to the left) so it just doesn't look right like that. Using something like ES file Explorer kind of helps because you can manipulate a bit how to line it up, but it seems imperfect and time consuming. I'd love to just be able to apply them from something like ZEDGE. Anyone have any suggestions?
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The solution I came up with was to go into the app drawer and drag an icon to a separate home screen and then drag another icon to another screen (making 3 screens plus Google now). Apply the wallpaper and then remove the extra two shortcuts to go back to one screen.
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The solution I came up with was to go into the app drawer and drag an icon to a separate home screen and then drag another icon to another screen (making 3 screens plus Google now). Apply the wallpaper and then remove the extra two shortcuts to go back to one screen.
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This seems to work better than any other solution I've tried. Thanks for the heads up. Not quite perfect but easily better than doing the "guess and check" method of manually lining things up. What an annoyance though, right? It's a wallpaper, it shouldn't be this complicated.
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This seems to work better than any other solution I've tried. Thanks for the heads up. Not quite perfect but easily better than doing the "guess and check" method of manually lining things up. What an annoyance though, right? It's a wallpaper, it shouldn't be this complicated.
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I know... I just started using Google Now Launcher again after using Nova forever, because I like having Google Now to the left of the home screen and I've really started using a more minimal desktop with just one screen. It seems to me that Google of all development crews out there would know about this and fix it. It's a minor annoyance. But an annoyance nonetheless. If anyone else has any other possible solutions, I would love to hear them as well.
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I know... I just started using Google Now Launcher again after using Nova forever, because I like having Google Now to the left of the home screen and I've really started using a more minimal desktop with just one screen. It seems to me that Google of all development crews out there would know about this and fix it. It's a minor annoyance. But an annoyance nonetheless. If anyone else has any other possible solutions, I would love to hear them as well.
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I've very strongly considered going over to Nova, except like you, I really like having the Now cards to the left and I'm just not willing to give them up. The only other method I found that semi works, I found an app on the playstore called Image 2 Wallpaper
Does what it sounds like, but there's a little bit of "playing around" you can do with lining things up. The way I've found it to at least sort of do what I want is to tap pick image from gallery, pick the image, down in the bottom half where there are options swipe over to the "Align" section, and hit "Move Left". Then hit the little green icon to the right of the preview to "set" it. Again it's not perfect but it's another option to add to the toolbox of methods I guess. I think yours seems to be a little more accurate, and much quicker though.
This is probably not the best solution for you, but thought I would mention that Action Launcher 3 also has the "swipe left for Google Now" functionality and it handles wallpaper much better. It has a lot of other neat features too, although it's not free. There is a free trial version though that might work for your purposes.
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This is probably not the best solution for you, but thought I would mention that Action Launcher 3 also has the "swipe left for Google Now" functionality and it handles wallpaper much better. It has a lot of other neat features too, although it's not free. There is a free trial version though that might work for your purposes.
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That's interesting... I've used Action Launcher 2 a long time ago but never got into it a whole lot. Does it have Google Now to the left in the exact same way that Google Now Launcher does, or is it more like "a swipe right gesture opens Google Now"?
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That's interesting... I've used Action Launcher 2 a long time ago but never got into it a whole lot. Does it have Google Now to the left in the exact same way that Google Now Launcher does, or is it more like "a swipe right gesture opens Google Now"?
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It's pretty close. The only thing that's missing is the animation when you swipe back to the home screen, IIRC. The developer said that's because of a limitation in the API. It does animate when swiping into Google Now though.
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It's pretty close. The only thing that's missing is the animation when you swipe back to the home screen, IIRC. The developer said that's because of a limitation in the API. It does animate when swiping into Google Now though.
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I'm definitely intrigued. I just downloaded it, but swiping to the side just brings up what kind of appears to be a sort of quick app drawer thing. How do you enable the google now cards screen?
It's been awhile since I've used it, but there should be a way to turn it on in the settings. That other thing is called the QuickDrawer which you might need to move to the other side.
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Found it -- go to Shortcuts under Settings, then Swipe Horizontal, and change Leftmost Home Screen to Search (Google Now).
One thing I don't like is how it automatically opens the keyboard for the search bar. The Google Now Launcher's implementation is much better. If only someone could combine that with Nova Prime's features, I could die happy.
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It's been awhile since I've used it, but there should be a way to turn it on in the settings. That other thing is called the QuickDrawer which you might need to move to the other side.
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Found it -- go to Shortcuts under Settings, then Swipe Horizontal, and change Leftmost Home Screen to Search (Google Now).
One thing I don't like is how it automatically opens the keyboard for the search bar. The Google Now Launcher's implementation is much better. If only someone could combine that with Nova Prime's features, I could die happy.
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Thanks for the update/edit. I was actually in there earlier but was specifically looking for Google Now instead of Search. I definitely see what you mean regarding the keyboard. It's soooo close. If they could just kill the automatic kb popup it'd be pretty perfect. I'm going to play with it a bit. It definitely feels fluid. And I like the idea of being able to properly theme and whatnot (one of the things I missed from homescreen replacements like Nova). If I like it enough I have enough in my play account from surveys to buy the full version. So far I'm digging it though, thanks again for the recommendation.
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Thanks for the update/edit. I was actually in there earlier but was specifically looking for Google Now instead of Search. I definitely see what you mean regarding the keyboard. It's soooo close. If they could just kill the automatic kb popup it'd be pretty perfect. I'm going to play with it a bit. It definitely feels fluid. And I like the idea of being able to properly theme and whatnot (one of the things I missed from homescreen replacements like Nova). If I like it enough I have enough in my play account from surveys to buy the full version. So far I'm digging it though, thanks again for the recommendation.
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Cool, let me know if you discover any good tweaks!
Anyone notice that the alternate characters on the Samsung keyboard is slow to respond? It works fine, I just find myself having to long press longer to get the alternate character. Causes me to make mistake quite often.
My Note 5 & Note 2 werenxt (<- see) this slow to respond. Anyway to remedy this? I've been comparing with my Note 5 & on the Note 8 itxs definitely slower to respond.
Yeah, it's pretty strange that Samsung doesn't include an option to adjust the response time like you can on third party keyboards. I'd suggest just trying out SwiftKey or others because it can definitely get annoying not getting the special key you want as fast as you want. Champagne problems, I know, but still. It's annoying, nonetheless.
EDIT: As you can see from the attached photo, SwiftKey (which I'm using) has this option but the stock Samsung keyboard does NOT offer it. Shame.
Yeah, same here. I like the Samsung keyboard because when apply a theme the keyboard is included. However, the special character problem plus the auto correct being so bad, I may have to switch.
Same here I like the Samsung keyboard because of it's features, the spen integration is the main one. Themes is also another.
I think I found a fix. Not sure if it's just in my head but it seems like it's ok now & I haven't made a mistake yet since the change. I disabled swipe to type. Well actually I changed it to cursor control, that's how I had it set on my N5. It makes sense as maybe the keyboard is sensing that you may be attemtping to swipe to type a word & causes the delay.
Now to fix my space bar issue but that's just me & my stubby thumb. I keep hitting letters or the period instead of the space bar. Same issue on my N5 & with the N8 being longer it's not helping in landscape mode. Tried changing the keyboard size but then all the letters are too far apart.
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Same here I like the Samsung keyboard because of it's features, the spen integration is the main one. Themes is also another.
I think I found a fix. Not sure if it's just in my head but it seems like it's ok now & I haven't made a mistake yet since the change. I disabled swipe to type. Well actually I changed it to cursor control, that's how I had it set on my N5. It makes sense as maybe the keyboard is sensing that you may be attemtping to swipe to type a word & causes the delay.
Now to fix my space bar issue but that's just me & my stubby thumb. I keep hitting letters or the period instead of the space bar. Same issue on my N5 & with the N8 being longer it's not helping in landscape mode. Tried changing the keyboard size but then all the letters are too far apart.
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The short spacebar on Samsung keyboards is the ONLY reason I have always used Gboard. Shame Samsung never revised it yet.
Like yourself I always hit period instead of space.
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