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Ever time I go into the services it doesn't seem that I have that much ram open, is the Droid likely to run out of ram a lot since it only has 256 MB of ram?
Linux manages RAM differently then you'd expect. You actually want as close to 0 ram free as possible, as unused RAM is wasted. It gets wired into the kernel and other various tasks, but is available for application use if requested. So the "Available" counter is really misleading.
Oh wow, so this happens on any linux based OS. Makes me proud to run Debian on all my computers , thank you for awnsering my question.
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Oh, after using jelly bean for 3 days, i noticed that it eats all of Ram, only 60-110 MB free!!!!
And this cause very slow downs and FC alot,
While on ics there is about 200-250 MB Free!!! With the same apps
Is this bec. Of beta, running, and freezing all bloatware and the same aetup in every aspect
, is 1GB of ram isn't enough now days!!!
Again, i tried to use swap file using various methods with no success due to kernel support, is there any kernel or method to have working swap, or is there any workaround to have some thing similar to swap.
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The note actually only has 800mb, so it's not even a gig.
well ram works differently on android then on windows pc, if its full it doesnt necessary mean that's why device is slowed down. Memory works differently.
Secondly jb, you are using now is not for everyday use. So you are bound to run into issues like this one. Also there is a memory leak in current builds. Which means that JB doesnt do that, but the current build does that because of a bug.
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baz77 said:
well ram works differently on android then on windows pc, if its full it doesnt necessary mean that's why device is slowed down. Memory works differently.
Secondly jb, you are using now is not for everyday use. So you are bound to run into issues like this one. Also there is a memory leak in current builds. Which means that JB doesnt do that, but the current build does that because of a bug.
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Yes i know that full ram may not cause slow downs, well it will slow down only when riched critical value and cause FCs , but you say that this problem in JB is due to beta stage, so this is good, so we have to wait for fully working build or at least stable enough to run system without FCs or slowdowna
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Yep definately.
I guess it takes extra clean installs with prenightly roms.
Maybe, because you got this far you can get comfortable with logfiles and troubleshooting. Try to get to the root cause of the issue. You might be able to contribute there.At this point if I knew how, I'd help you.
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The note actually only has 800mb, so it's not even a gig.
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Is that true? I don't think so. I think it's how it's allocated and counted. Like when you go buy a 1TB drive, you only have access to 931GB. It's how it's formatted and allocated.
Probably the same with Android with memory allocation or something like that. It's false advertising to say "It has 1024MB of RAM" when they actually only include 800. 800 is accessible, but there's probably 1GB in there.
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Is that true? I don't think so. I think it's how it's allocated and counted. Like when you go buy a 1TB drive, you only have access to 931GB. It's how it's formatted and allocated.
Probably the same with Android with memory allocation or something like that. It's false advertising to say "It has 1024MB of RAM" when they actually only include 800. 800 is accessible, but there's probably 1GB in there.
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There almost certainly is 1GB of RAM in there, but the graphics processor needs some of it to do it's job, say probably 128MB. Then just like the PC there are other other parts of the device that need to have blocks of memory to do their jobs, and the kernel and other core OS will probably snarf some memory to do what they need to do.
Voila, 1GB of RAM immediately reduced to 500-800MB of actual "usable" RAM.
Yup, the 1gb is a lie.. galaxy note has the same amount of ram of desire hd
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LoVeRice said:
Yup, the 1gb is a lie.. galaxy note has the same amount of ram of desire hd
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No dear, desireHD has 786 MB BUT ONLY about 600 MB usable, the same story as note and every android device
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No dear, desireHD has 786 MB BUT ONLY about 600 MB usable, the same story as note and every android device
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Based on every nand device out there, ssd, emmc, all of them allocate sectors to general use.
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Can part of internal sd or ext sd become an extended ram or something?
Would that make the device any faster?
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Can part of internal sd or ext sd become an extended ram or something?
Would that make the device any faster?
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Yes it can.
No that won't make it any faster. In fact, it will make it slower.
The way Android works is, it says "the kernel says I need X amount for gpu, X amount for sound, X amount for the OS".
And then it allocates a certain threashold and says "okay this much I'm keeping free".
Then it says "these functions of the OS aren't used often, I'll leave them out".
Then it says "okay so I've got extra ram room, I'm going to fill them up with Apps".
Why does it work this way?
It based on Linux, RAM is shared dynamically.
What does this mean?
A bloated kernel and OS will use more RAM for itself.
Why does it leave free ram?
In case it needs to execute a function that's not used often or is memory intensive (eg Browser).
Why does it store Apps?
So that its readily available. They just pop open. Or resume from last state.
...okay, so what does this mean about my Free RAM "issues" with Jelly Bean?
It means that you are uneducated. It means Jelly Bean, or the specific setup you have either is more bloated than your previous setup OR it has a low "free ram allocation" setting. Solution? There is no problem, though you can trim down the ram allocation and kill off some memory things (apps, hidden background tasks) you can increase the amount of Free RAM, but its more likely to slow down the system. Remember, Jelly Bean builds are still Alpha/Beta stage, so they can/do have memory leaks.
Another point I should mention:
OS RAM use increased a lot from 1.6 -> 2.1
OS RAM use increased from 2.1 -> 2.2
OS RAM use increased a lot from 2.2 -> 2.3
OS RAM use increased a lot from 2.3 -> 4.0
< I haven't checked JB, but I'm willing to bet its increased from ICS, even if slightly >
This is Android, not Windows. Its behaves differently and has different symptoms. A quick Google search could've answered your questions.
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Yes it can.
No that won't make it any faster. In fact, it will make it slower.
The way Android works is, it says "the kernel says I need X amount for gpu, X amount for sound, X amount for the OS".
And then it allocates a certain threashold and says "okay this much I'm keeping free".
Then it says "these functions of the OS aren't used often, I'll leave them out".
Then it says "okay so I've got extra ram room, I'm going to fill them up with Apps".
Why does it work this way?
It based on Linux, RAM is shared dynamically.
What does this mean?
A bloated kernel and OS will use more RAM for itself.
Why does it leave free ram?
In case it needs to execute a function that's not used often or is memory intensive (eg Browser).
Why does it store Apps?
So that its readily available. They just pop open. Or resume from last state.
...okay, so what does this mean about my Free RAM "issues" with Jelly Bean?
It means that you are uneducated. It means Jelly Bean, or the specific setup you have either is more bloated than your previous setup OR it has a low "free ram allocation" setting. Solution? There is no problem, though you can trim down the ram allocation and kill off some memory things (apps, hidden background tasks) you can increase the amount of Free RAM, but its more likely to slow down the system. Remember, Jelly Bean builds are still Alpha/Beta stage, so they can/do have memory leaks.
Another point I should mention:
OS RAM use increased a lot from 1.6 -> 2.1
OS RAM use increased from 2.1 -> 2.2
OS RAM use increased a lot from 2.2 -> 2.3
OS RAM use increased a lot from 2.3 -> 4.0
< I haven't checked JB, but I'm willing to bet its increased from ICS, even if slightly >
This is Android, not Windows. Its behaves differently and has different symptoms. A quick Google search could've answered your questions.
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Thanks for the lecture here :thumbup: I see now, I never get to know linux base very well. Just starting to get myself familiar with it.
I've used a few types of JB rom before and I discovered that its using double the ram from ICS making my phone lags and does funny things ut shouldn't. Ahaks
Than I noticed that JB was released to phones such as S3 and such, phones that has double the ram size to compare with note. Its when I started to wonder...
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Guys, who have already flashed cm13 on their device, how is the RAM management.
I know its AOSP RAM management but how much free RAM are you getting on 1st boot?
Also is it able to keep things in memory like games and browser tabs?
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Guys, who have already flashed cm13 on their device, how is the RAM management.
I know its AOSP RAM management but how much free RAM are you getting on 1st boot?
Also is it able to keep things in memory like games and browser tabs?
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I honestly don't know, I've never monitored free memory since using devices with more than or 2GB of memory (Nexus 4).
And I don't think it even matters.
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Guys, who have already flashed cm13 on their device, how is the RAM management.
I know its AOSP RAM management but how much free RAM are you getting on 1st boot?
Also is it able to keep things in memory like games and browser tabs?
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On CM13 here and can keep about 1.5, 1.6gb free. But, multitasking just work! When I was on MIUI every time I must reload the app... Now I can hold apps and some games. I recommend CM
Multitasking work better than miui, you dont need more free ram, as long as system didnt lag, all working fine on cm
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The title says all, what is the Rom with less system RAM usage?
Thanks
I would say Minimal OS
Spieletips said:
I would say Minimal OS
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Thanks, how about turbo 5.0?
maximuns said:
Thanks, how about turbo 5.0?
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It has many mods preinstalled so it should be bigger.
288mb is used from System alone in my Turbo 5.0 Build
Spieletips said:
It has many mods preinstalled so it should be bigger.
288mb is used from System alone in my Turbo 5.0 Build
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Ok, and minimal os how much?
Go for Exodus 6.0.1. I am getting around 300mb free most of the time. no xposed, with greenify....
Aciong.Aksaya said:
Go for Exodus 6.0.1. I am getting around 300mb free most of the time. no xposed, with greenify....
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I am now on mokee 7.1 and have always almost 400mb free
Just stay away from Turbo ROM, I'm using it right now. (Not sure if it's an Android 6.1 Issue or just from Turbo ROM) Right now at this moment of writing my system is taking 484MB of RAM and my apps 230MB leaving me with 178MB free. Rebooting the phone fixes the issue for some time. (I'm not using Xposed nor anything similar, just Greenify).
Anybody from here knows if Android 7.1 requires more RAM than 6.1? Is it worth (or even possible) to downgrade our phone to Kitkat to get that extra RAM boost? Or is it better to stick arround with Lolipop+ ROMs?
maximuns said:
I am now on mokee 7.1 and have always almost 400mb free
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Good for you.
rhp07 said:
Just stay away from Turbo ROM, I'm using it right now. (Not sure if it's an Android 6.1 Issue or just from Turbo ROM) Right now at this moment of writing my system is taking 484MB of RAM and my apps 230MB leaving me with 178MB free. Rebooting the phone fixes the issue for some time. (I'm not using Xposed nor anything similar, just Greenify).
Anybody from here knows if Android 7.1 requires more RAM than 6.1? Is it worth (or even possible) to downgrade our phone to Kitkat to get that extra RAM boost? Or is it better to stick arround with Lolipop+ ROMs?
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I'm on turbo ROM 4.0 and atm I've got 280 mb free RAM and that's what I have most of the time. Free RAM is unused RAM, I think you know that? Don't install all that facebook and messenger stuff and you will have always enough headroom to handle your device properly.
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The awesomeness of Turbo ROM.. I really hope that not all of the ROMs are like that..
P.D: This cannot be normal.. (Look at the second picture).. Android system is taking 700MB+!! Wtf??.. I don't have Facebook, nor any custom hacks.. Is this normal? Seriously?... Is there any ROM that works normal? Sometimes I would really like to smash this phone against the floor..
rhp07 said:
The awesomeness of Turbo ROM.. I really hope that not all of the ROMs are like that..
P.D: This cannot be normal.. (Look at the second picture).. Android system is taking 700MB+!! Wtf??.. I don't have Facebook, nor any custom hacks.. Is this normal? Seriously?... Is there any ROM that works normal? Sometimes I would really like to smash this phone against the floor..
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Android system is taking 700+mb?
That's what your whole phone takes.
I'm on turbo 4.0 official and system is using 205mb. If you have s phone with only 1gb ram (885 free) you can't expect wonders. More RAM would solve this problems.
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Android system is taking 700+mb?
That's what your whole phone takes.
I'm on turbo 4.0 official and system is using 205mb. If you have s phone with only 1gb ram (885 free) you can't expect wonders. More RAM would solve this problems.
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Yes, you are right I took the picture in the wrong place. I just noticed that on my phone (Turbo Rom 5.0) my system is taking at least half of the phone available RAM for the system ONLY. I't usually between 450 to 580 MB. When I took the previous picture I thought that the System RAM usage rose to 700 (It looks the same). But I still believe that having the system taking half or more of RAM available must be wrong anyway (Look at he picture in this post).
Anybody can give some suggestions how to reduce System RAM usage? Or is it ROM dependent? (I'm not using any mods like Xposed nor other UI Mods)
Wolfcity said:
Android system is taking 700+mb?
That's what your whole phone takes.
I'm on turbo 4.0 official and system is using 205mb. If you have s phone with only 1gb ram (885 free) you can't expect wonders. More RAM would solve this problems.
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maximuns said:
I am now on mokee 7.1 and have always almost 400mb free
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I just installed Mokee 7.1, let it settle down a bit and right now my System is taking about 450 MB.. How can you have 400 MB free?
Anybody can tell how much the System in Minimal OS is taking?
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I just installed Mokee 7.1, let it settle down a bit and right now my System is taking about 450 MB.. How can you have 400 MB free?
Anybody can tell how much the System in Minimal OS is taking?
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You have 348 MB free, I used to have 370/380 MB free which is ALMOST 400 MB.
I said ALMOST, not exactly
But my system didn't take as much ram as yours. I had those 380 free but with more apps
Bro, can anyone suggest me a rom which uses the least possible resources. I need more ram and processor for apps.
M using HAVOC OS, which leaves only 900mb ram free.
PUBG 0.7 chat is lagging and i cannot cope with that.
I need a custom rom, donot want to use stock.
First off, free ram is not something you look for on Linux/Unix systems. As the saying goes, free RAM is wasted RAM. This isn't DOS/Windows.
The system (tries) to manage memory just fine so your low free ram is a good thing. Doesn't mean there can't be issues with memory leaks or apps not being removed from memory when they should.
App and processor management might be something you need to do on any ROM if games are important.
What kind and how many apps constantly running or loaded, like social media stuff
You can tweak the kernel. Change governor, configure I/O scheduler and the like to eek out more performance.
Low memory killer adjustments if you want to control apps 'n stuff in memory.
Custom kernel maybe?
I see a lot of posts about that game. You're gonna be doing a lot of ROM hopping if you believe that the game will be better on one vs another, out of the box. Could try a barebones/featureless ROM (GZOSP, f.i) over a fully loaded one, in case one thinks more features = higher ram usage.
Nah, one needs to configure/tweak/adjust for optimal game play. Find out from others what cool adjustments they have.
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