Hello, I'm new to buying cellphones outside of whatever the local BestBuy is selling. I always bought the cheapest Motorola phone they had. Recently I needed a new international phone and decided to venture out, so I bought the Xiaomi Mi A2. I purchased it on Amazon after reading and watching several reviews on the phone.
My Xiaomi came today and while I was looking through my storage, I saw that the apps total at 36 gb. These numbers are fresh out of the box, no use. Google Play Services is 781 mb, Calendar is 519 mb, Settings is 519 mb, Feedback is 518 mb, Sim Toolkit is 518mb.
What is up with these app sizes? On my Moto E4 plus, the Settings app is 420 kb, not 519 mb! Google Play Services is 17.30 mb on the Moto compared to 781 mb on the Xiaomi. Calendar is 42 mb on the Moto compated to 519 mb on the Xiaomi.
What is going on here? I've tried to find answers, and all I've seen is mentions of the System size using up storage, but mine is only taking up 1.1 gb of space. Is my phone loaded with shady software? Why are the apps so huge?
Thanks
what's your full version? should be something with 10.xxx pdimixm in about phone.
did you get any ota updates and applied them? that's the easiest way to tell. if you apply an update and it bricks it's shady. if you get no updates ever it's shady.
open up the files app, it has a cleaner and might let you save up some storage space.
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what's your full version? should be something with 10.xxx pdimixm in about phone.
did you get any ota updates and applied them? that's the easiest way to tell. if you apply an update and it bricks it's shady. if you get no updates ever it's shady.
open up the files app, it has a cleaner and might let you save up some storage space.
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I don't see anything like that in "About Phone." There is Android Version: 8.1.0. There is also a "Baseband Version," "Kernel Version," and "Build Number," but nothing else.
What are OTA updates? I'm new to phones at this level. I understand and build computers, but I'm learning phones.
Thanks for the help thus far.
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I don't see anything like that in "About Phone." There is Android Version: 8.1.0. There is also a "Baseband Version," "Kernel Version," and "Build Number," but nothing else.
What are OTA updates? I'm new to phones at this level. I understand and build computers, but I'm learning phones.
Thanks for the help thus far.
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OTA- over the air update. Update your phone to latest version.
what's the build number?
Alright, I've updated the phone. I'm used to phones prompting me and didn't realize it was something I had to do on my own. Once again, I'm computer literate, not quite phone literate yet.
Now that the phone is updated, the "About Phone" section has changed.
It now says I'm Android Version 9, Build Number PKQ1.180904.001.V10.0.7.0.PDIMIXM
The size of the apps went from 36 gb down to 5.4 gb total, and my System size went from 1.1 gb up to 13 gb. Some apps still seems large, like "Settings," being 41 mb now, but it's a big improvement.
Is there an explanation for what happened here? Is this normal? I know Amazon had terrible track record for fakes and counterfeits with how they handle their inventory. Does anything I've described sound like a problem?
Thank you again for your time.
i guess the storage counters were bugged in that first version you had...
you should get an update to 10.0.8 soon.
if it updated itself over the air it means the os is perfectly original. so no worries there.
system size 13gb sounds about right - a/b system means the phone keeps 2 installs of the system partition - and depending on what apps you have installed 5gb of apps is OK. open up the Files app it may further let you clean some cache and junk files.
I haven't got an update for version 10. I've had my phone manually check for a new update, but it says Android 9 is the most recent update as of April 5, 2019.
Is this something I need to pull from the web similar to drivers for a computer, or should it come through on it's own? I just want to make sure I've got a good phone before I start using my passwords for my accounts on it.
Thanks again, I'm becoming fascinated with how deep the cell phone world is. It's like building a PC with all the specs that go along with each phone.
i meant 10.0.8 as in that build number - you're currently on 10.0.7. we dont have android 10 yet - maybe they'll release at the end of the year or early 2020.
no drivers needed, should just recognize the phone.
updates usually get released each month second working friday - next week in this case
Thank you very much for all the help.
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Recently I have not been able to connect to 3G(HSDPA) and I tried rebooting a few times without luck. (Stock N1 2.1 -> 2.2 Froyo RC)
So, I did a factory reset. Before you go "moron thats why you are missing all your apps!", I watched in Google IO a person saying "if you have ever upgraded your android phone, you know there is no need to re-download all your apps, because the data is all in our server"
And, in the (supposedly not public) Android Market Website accessed from a PC, you can login and see all the android devices you have and all the apps you have installed in each.
So after reading the warning messages, I went ahead and reset it. After logging back onto my google account, guess what? All my apps are gone.
At first, I was okay with it, I have way too many useless stuffs anyway. Then I went to Market, wondering if I can view my "downloads" list, to my surprise my download list is empty except showing one app i purchased and 3 "default" apps that already came installed in Froyo.
I went back to Settings>Privacy>
and I see these two options:
Backup my settings
Automatic Restore (Restore applications' data from backup when they are installed)
I mean, am I misunderstanding something or missing some info here? I thought from my understanding, if say I buy a brand new Nexus One, and log onto my account, the least I should be able to do is log onto market and see what have i previously downloaded on my OLD DEVICE, right?
I have re-downloaded all the apps I need, I just wanna know if this feature (as the way I understand it) exists.
Thanks guys.
that auto download of apps thing from Google IO is supposed to be a Gingerbread feature for android 3.0
lol i surely missed the "Gingerbread" note and i feel like a complete idiot now
nevertheless, thank you so much for the reply, at least we know it will come !
Actually you're both wrong. The saved downloads list has been a feature since 1.6, it just never works correctly. Usually saving only purchased apps and a few free ones. The auto-restore is a Froyo feature and worked almost perfectly for me when I upgraded [it installed all the ones it remembered but because of the aforementioned bugginess of the save list, I had to restore about 20% manually with Titanium Backup]. The other new feature that was announced at I/O was data restore. This too is a Froyo feature, but like apps to SD, it is an API which must be implemented by the individual app developers. The data restore feature is fully functional in the OS right now, it just has nothing to restore because it needs the apps to tell it what to save. Within a couple weeks of the official Froyo rollout I think you can expect to see most active developers implement the 2.2 APIs in their apps.
Anyone who uses system panel knows its the best task manager and the ONLY one that shows the device true multitasking. It's shows 3 categories, active running apps, cached inactive apps, and system processes. All 3 of this group shows up in 2.1. But in 2.2 froyo there is no longer cached apps group. It skips from active apps to system processes.
I asked the developer and he responded with the following:
http://androidforums.com/android-ap...eople-who-hate-task-killers-2.html#post882019
To Roger: sorry for delay in getting back to you as well, as far as I can tell the N1 with Froyo does not have any inactive/cached apps. I'm running the leaked Froyo version as well. On the other test phones (an Incredible, a Droid, and a G1) as well as in (non-Froyo) emulators I do see inactive processes as before.
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Does anyone know what this means exactly? Has android 2.2 been changed where in no longer pre-loads apps? My observations on froyo using system panel shows that my running app list is now much larger than eclare with no cached apps at all, ever. Has Google changed this and removed cached apps? Or perhaps view are just now hiding it somehow so task managers cannot see this info?
If true then system panel would need an update. But that response from the developer seemed to not indicate that.
bump. so not ONE person noticed that froyo doesnt cache apps anymore?
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bump. so not ONE person noticed that froyo doesnt cache apps anymore?
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this may only be an issue with the pre-released Froyo.
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this may only be an issue with the pre-released Froyo.
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perhaps, but that seems like a pretty significant change to the OS. i'm wondering if they either changed the way the OS works completely, or if its just a bug that is being fixed for the final release of 2.2.
The 2.2 leak has a lot of missing code in it.
alot.
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The 2.2 leak has a lot of missing code in it.
alot.
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i hope your right
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bump. so not ONE person noticed that froyo doesnt cache apps anymore?
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I don't have an N1 so can't answer your question, but I did notice that the developer you spoke to, TESTED FROYO ON A G1!!!
Seems logical to me to keep out until ready for final release testing, because you can test a lot faster if things aren't being swapped out and in.
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I don't have an N1 so can't answer your question, but I did notice that the developer you spoke to, TESTED FROYO ON A G1!!!
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He's probably not a developer working on Android, probably just a application dev. Why would he be running a leaked version if he worked at Google.. Also, I think maybe he just doesn't know how to properly form a legible sentence since it would seem he meant other phones he has, not specifically that they are running 2.2, though I could see how you might think that reading what he said.
I would just hold off on questions like this until a final release is out, it's pretty pointless to worry about until Google drops an official OTA update.
Ok so now that the official froyo is released, and the multitasking STILL works differently, where do we find out what and how things have changed? Cached apps no longer exist, instead all apps show as running in system panel. I'm surprised there's not more mention of this since it seems a fundamental change in OS has occurred. Anyone have any insight?
On the technical side I can't speak, but for the end user experience, Froyo's multitasking has been the same or better than before. I experience less "jittery" lag and it seems like more programs are not unloaded (ie: run immediately, no load time at all) vs before if you used say Facebook, then browser, K9 mail, few other things, then back to Facebook it was ~1s to reload.. Maybe Facebook is a bad example here, as it seems to ALWAYS load fast, but you get the gist..
It of course could be the extra ram available now... 512M total vs the 256M before?
Well, if they did significantly change something, it was really for the better. Things just fly now switching back and forth.
Of course, I was only stock before and only had access to half the memory. So it could just be keeping a lot more of my apps in memory now that it has access to the full 512mb.
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On the technical side I can't speak, but for the end user experience, Froyo's multitasking has been the same or better than before. I experience less "jittery" lag and it seems like more programs are not unloaded (ie: run immediately, no load time at all) vs before if you used say Facebook, then browser, K9 mail, few other things, then back to Facebook it was ~1s to reload.. Maybe Facebook is a bad example here, as it seems to ALWAYS load fast, but you get the gist..
It of course could be the extra ram available now... 512M total vs the 256M before?
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Well using system panel shows that in froyo there is an entire group of missing app now, inactive cached apps, are just flat out gone in froyo. It doesn't seem to be related to the new available RAM in 2.2.
I noticed this on first day on 2.2
I think the possible reason is 2.2 support more than 256M RAM. So the 16MB free RAM threshold is hard to reach now.That's way we didn't see Inactive process. maybe we can try run alot of apps backgroud untill reach 16MB free RAM threshold. Then use systemplane to check if there is any inactive process.
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I noticed this on first day on 2.2
I think the possible reason is 2.2 support more than 256M RAM. So the 16MB free RAM threshold is hard to reach now.That's way we didn't see Inactive process. maybe we can try run alot of apps backgroud untill reach 16MB free RAM threshold. Then use systemplane to check if there is any inactive process.
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I've already tried that, gone down to 14 mb but they do not appear. They are completely gone from the OS, and system panel developer already confirmed that they are gone from 2.2 and It's just the way the OS is now. Check the link I posted earlier in the thread. What we need to find out is WHAT and WHY Google made these changes. Why isn't anything mentioned in the changelog etc?
Are you just interested in knowing why? Or is it affecting you in a bad way? Whatever reason they have, it has improved performance a lot. I just assume they are categorizing them differently now. Because the apps 'running' in the background still aren't really running, they are just waiting in memory in case you need them again.
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Are you just interested in knowing why? Or is it affecting you in a bad way? Whatever reason they have, it has improved performance a lot. I just assume they are categorizing them differently now. Because the apps 'running' in the background still aren't really running, they are just waiting in memory in case you need them again.
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I'm just wondering why, and what exactly the changed. My phone runs great with no issues.
Previously system panel showed 3 groups of apps, the first was running apps, and these are the ones actually using some type of resources typically. While the second group was inactive, "frozen" not using any resources.
But now in 2.2 everything goes into the first group. And the OS no longer starts a bunch of apps pre loaded upon boot up. It only loads apps you use now. So still I'm wondering if now these 2 groups are combined into the one active list, can we tell the difference? Or is there no difference anymore, and only running apps are now shown?
Ok, so the frozen category would be ones that were FCed to release their memory. Which could kind of imply that the OS would remember their state.
Android doesn't remember the state for you if it is no longer in memory. It is up to the app to save its state when it is told it is going into the inactive state.
So it could be that the frozen category wasn't actually anything special, just apps that were forced out of memory, and now they don't even mention them anymore.
You said that you couldn't force anything out of the list though, right? If you can't get anything automatically removed form the list, I would say they just combined the two categories.
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Ok, so the frozen category would be ones that were FCed to release their memory. Which could kind of imply that the OS would remember their state.
Android doesn't remember the state for you if it is no longer in memory. It is up to the app to save its state when it is told it is going into the inactive state.
So it could be that the frozen category wasn't actually anything special, just apps that were forced out of memory, and now they don't even mention them anymore.
You said that you couldn't force anything out of the list though, right? If you can't get anything automatically removed form the list, I would say they just combined the two categories.
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Another thing that changed is that its not possible to kill most apps. Browser and some others can be killed. But for. If most part if you kill something it just stays there running, or immediately pops back up.
But yes the frozen apps list is just plain gone. It was a useless list anyway. But I wonder what exactly they changed and what it means and how it works.
So, as I was trimming back the apps actually active on my O4X (I have already disabled a whole lot using App Quarantine as I may want them later but don't need them running right now and didn't want to uninstall), I spotted Software Update was always sitting in memory and taking up a chunk that I could use for something else.
I figured that given that the O4X is now an "old" handset and LG are clearly not going to release any OTA updates, I would disable that too......
Even with Software Update in quarantine, that pesky app was still running every time I restarted the phone and just sat there in the memory, doing nothing of value and eating up useful RAM.
My solution was to go into file manager (I'm using ES pro but I guess anything will do so long as it goes into the device root and the device is rooted), found the apk in question and renamed it - I just changed the extension in case I needed to find it again - and rebooted.
Result: software update no longer sits in the memory claiming squatters rights, the phone runs a whole lot smoother and battery life is greatly improved [emoji2]
So far I have not noticed any adverse effects but if anyone has any other info or alternative ideas feel free to add them [emoji1]
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Howdy people-who-already-have the Mi 9 Lite. I don't want to bore you with the details, so I'll try to keep it short. I bought a Xiaomi Mi 9 Lite for my wife and, in the meantime, managed to bork my OnePlus One. Now, I, too, I'm in the market for a new phone.
From the little I played with her new phone, I love the device, and I'm thinking of picking one up too, as a replacement for my OnePlus One. I have two problems, though:
1. Everything on the screen is too small for my failing eyesight. I enabled the developer settings and tried increasing the DPI, but that ended up screwing how some of her apps look. Is there any other way, apart from the provided one in the "official" settings, to increase the text size? By "official settings" I mean "not the developer options", but the setting for text size somewhere in the Display group of options, that offers three possible steps for the text size. All of them too small for me. And by all of this, I mean only the text size since the DPI option in the developer settings affects everything.
2. Since I am "a more demanding user" (compared to my wife), I am torn between this and the Poco F1. Although the Mi 9 Lite is a newer device, the Poco F1 seems to have a vastly better processor, GPU, as well as lots of love and support over here. I don't really care if the screen is somewhat worse, nor use the camera too much, so I was ready to buy this instead of the Mi 9 lite. Mere minutes before taking the plunge, I saw a video by Linus Tech Tips, where he was talking about how you can install gCam, root it, etc. And he suggested "using the nano version of open Google apps". This started ringing alarm bells: the reason for upgrading my wife's phone was its restricted internal storage. We had reached a point where I was removing system apps to be able to update Gmail and Facebook from the Play Store. Is this also a problem in newer phones like the Poco F1 and the Mi 9 lite? I mean, if you already have to use the nano version of open Google apps in a one-year-old smartphone, then what will we be using one or two years from now, when android itself will have grown a lot bigger?
I am sorry if those questions have already been answered, I did a quick search but I didn't run into anything relevant.
You can find display size option in settings/additional settings/accessibility
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The problem with space for app updates is in devices with 8gb of flash. The cheapest mi 9 lite has it 8 times more. Do you believe , it will be not enough during next 10 years? Remember about card slot. You can keep all pictures and recordings on external memory.
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The problem with space for app updates is in devices with 8gb of flash. The cheapest mi 9 lite has it 8 times more. Do you believe , it will be not enough during next 10 years? Remember about card slot. You can keep all pictures and recordings on external memory.
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I believe what's relevant to the OP is the system partition and not the user storage. When using stock GApps, you need to have a large enough partition for the apps installed on that partition to update correctly. Before the Mi 9 Lite I owned a OnePlus X which had 16gb of total storage. I had no problems installing stock GApps over LOS 15, but after around a year of updates I started to get the "low storage" error even though I had more than 6 gb available (which was fixed with a reboot after every system app update, presumably due to the cache being cleared). I doubt that the Mi 9 Lite would have the same problem any time soon though, as the system partition is probably much larger than that of the OPX.
I used galaxy tab 4 with 8GB of flash with 1.7GB of free flash and 80GB of applications installed on second partition. There was not problem to have hundreds applications installed in device with 8GB flash. The only to do was take care to not let start not needed apps on boot and let them to be in ram. I replaced it with mi pad 4 because of a7 core in galaxy.
If you have 64 or 128 GB build in , you are able to install thousands applications. The only limitation will be card size.
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I used galaxy tab 4 with 8GB of flash with 1.7GB of free flash and 80GB of applications installed on second partition. There was not problem to have hundreds applications installed in device with 8GB flash. The only to do was take care to not let start not needed apps on boot and let them to be in ram. I replaced it with mi pad 4 because of a7 core in galaxy.
If you have 64 or 128 GB build in , you are able to install thousands applications. The only limitation will be card size.
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You're conflating the system partition (where the android framework resides, including the system apps such as GApps) and userdata partition (where apps are installed after the fact, like from the Play Store). You could theoretically have, say, a 512gb device with a 1 TB sdcard installed in which you can install all the apps you'd ever want but the system partition will always be limited to just a few GB.
There are ways to increase the storage allocated to the system partition (this is Android after all), but it requires a bit of tinkering.
In short, yes, a device with 8gb of storage is enough to download plenty of apps, but will not be enough to hold Android 10 (~1.5gb for the OS + ~700mb for stock OpenGapps + storage reserved for any updates) if the system partition on that device is 2 gb.
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In short, yes, a device with 8gb of storage is enough to download plenty of apps, but will not be enough to hold Android 10 (~1.5gb for the OS + ~700mb for stock OpenGapps + storage reserved for any updates) if the system partition on that device is 2 gb.
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Theoretical yes. I thought about it with galaxy and decrease system partition for make data partition larger. It was not possible because of not existing custom kernel for galaxy. Do we have custom kernel for mi 9 ? If yes, resizing partition will be possible. But I do not think we need it anytime. Custom rom creator is able to modify partitions in flashing time or use other partitions size for own needs. The gapps will never be problem. Much better is to install nano or pico and add needed other google apps from play store to data partition.
Hey guys,
Newbie question here... Got the Pixel 7 a few weeks ago and did the December feature/security update last night.
Coming from an S10, I'm used to going to recovery and clearing cache partition after an update, or even factory reset after a major update to make sure the system doesn’t ‘hang up’ on old files.
Now, I don’t see the‘clear cache partition option in the Pixel 7 recovery. Is there any procedure I should follow after the update or just update, restart and you’re good to go ?
Thanks
Pretty much that's it. I personally go into the Google 1 app and the storage settings to free up junk files and some duplicate pictures I don't need. That, a reboot and that's it.
Pixels apparantly lack the ability to clear the system cache. Been wondering about that too, more out of curiosity rather than need though.
Clearing the system cache has saved my system more than once.
Unlike Google or Samsung I don't touch the firmware if the OS is fast, stable and fulfilling its mission. I'm still running Pie on this N10+; last update was 3 years ago, current load is over 2.5 yo. Security simply isn't an issue, zero malware in that 2.5+ year time frame. It still runs like a bat out of hell with minimal maintenance.
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Pretty much that's it. I personally go into the Google 1 app and the storage settings to free up junk files and some duplicate pictures I don't need. That, a reboot and that's it.
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I use SD Maid pro which does a very good cleaning job for me. Not sure how well it works on Android 11 and up though. I generally ignore duplicate files though as deleting them can cause issues sometimes.
In this day and age you shouldn't need to worry about phone storage space but it's actually gotten worse not better. Embedded fast flash memory is dirt cheap... and this is the same corporation that says you don't need expandable storage or a dual drive smartphone