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Auto-Hard-Reset after flashin & Hard reset difference.What if to break the first one?

Auto-Hard-Reset after flashin & Hard reset difference.What if to break the first one?
Sorry for creating a new thread for this, but it's very important. Would be perfect if fards and itje answer here. If you guys do not know the answer, please just answer: "I don't know". Just to be sure. Thank you.
fards said:
the argument is that a rom image (that you flash) doesn't always fill the entire memory space so there's a chance that some of the arrays could contain old data as the RUU doesn't clear the space first. It doesn't hurt to hard reset whether this scenario happens or not, just hold the hardkeys down during first boot after it comes out of bootloader ..
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After flashing, during the first boot, there already IS something that looks like a hard reset. Something like "auto-hard-reset". Therefore allow me to ask you 3 questions please:
1. Is this "auto-hard-reset" similar to the manual hard reset(when we push simultaneously left, right and soft reset key, or via Start>Settings>System>Clear Storage)?
2. What exactly did you mean in your quote(its part that I've marked bold)? I've never heard anything about holding any keys DURING the first boot. Everywhere is written: "Make hard reset AFTER you flash." Or maybe I missed something?
3. What if NOT to wait for this "auto-hard-reset", and just manually, BEFORE it happens, make an HR(pushing simultaneously left, right and soft reset key) in time when firmware splash screen is showed? It would save the time... but is it harmless?
Thank you very much for your answers!

I would actually like to know the same thing...
(BTW, your questions are very well phrased J-pro...I couldn't have asked it better myself.)
EDIT: See the following thread topic...it should answer some questions--http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=490860

i've never seen an auto-hard reset so I don't know where you've got that from. Where does it come up that it's hard resetting, I've never seen anything that it does this automatically?
As discussed in the thread you quoted me from.
Some people believe a hard reset will clear anything left over from a flash that didn't get overwritten in the flashing process.. think about it, if you flash 113mb of new rom into a 256 mb rom space then there's some chance that data will be left behind.
There's enough people who find that hard resetting solves problems, so it does seem to do some good.
All I said that you've quoted me,(why not keep this in that thread, we need to reduce clutter not create more)? EDIT ah I see you did, sorry... A pm asking me to look at the thread would have sufficed
is that after you've finished flashing, if you want to hard reset, then do it then, it doesn't take any extra effort especially if you use the microSD flashing method, where you have to manually reset the device anyway!
"Make hard reset AFTER you flash." is EXACTLY what I've written, make the hard reset after you've flashed, and before it goes through the first (very long) boot up.. Saves repeating that long 1st boot again, it doesn't really matter when you do it, it's just this way saves some time..
HtH

Thank you very much for your answer, fards.
fards said:
i've never seen an auto-hard reset so I don't know where you've got that from. Where does it come up that it's hard resetting, I've never seen anything that it does this automatically?
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To see it, just wait till the first(after flash) boot ends. You'll see that through this first boot same processes are executed, just as if we do manual hard reset. That's why I named it "automatical-hard-reset". It always happens through the first boot, after flashing.
fards said:
Some people believe a hard reset will clear anything left over from a flash that didn't get overwritten in the flashing process.. think about it, if you flash 113mb of new rom into a 256 mb rom space then there's some chance that data will be left behind.
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That was clear from the very start, mate
fards said:
A pm asking me to look at the thread would have sufficed
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I'll remember it
fards said:
is that after you've finished flashing, if you want to hard reset, then do it then, it doesn't take any extra effort especially if you use the microSD flashing method, where you have to manually reset the device anyway!
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Here is the point. I DO use microSD flash method. And I DO have to manually SOFT reset my phone. BUT while it reboots, my SOFT reset "automatically" turns into a HARD one, JUST because it's the FIRST boot after flashing. I've got such assumption because I saw(on the screen) that same customizing process happens, etc.
fards said:
make the hard reset after you've flashed, and before it goes through the first (very long) boot up..
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I would ask you, how can I make an HR(HardReset) if I have to make SR(SoftReset) first? BUT this your quote from another thread partially answers the question:
fards said:
HOLD both silver hardware keys down during a reboot.
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Everywhere is written that a hard reset is: Hold SIMULTANEOUSLY SR-button and both of soft-keys. I've never read about HR as: "Make an SR and hold two soft-keys during booting". It's obviously very different definitions.
So now I can answer: YES, we can make an HR during the first boot after flashing, i.e. we CAN interrupt this first boot(i.e. auto-hard-reset).
But the second part is still not clear for me: is this "first long boot" the same as an HR? Just look at what it does(on the screen) and you'll understand that it's very similar(if not the same). But I just want to have things clear.
Thank you very much!

J-Pro said:
is this "first long boot" the same as an HR?
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no. It's the same long boot as standard windows when you log on first time... only "finalizing" installation

guap said:
no. It's the same long boot as standard windows when you log on first time... only "finalizing" installation
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I see. And this "finalizing" happens also after every HR, right? Just to get things clear: "finalizing" is not a part of HR, HR happens BEFORE it. But "finalizing" happens everytime through boot IF there is no preinstalled files found(which are deleted by HR, OR just absent after flashing). Am I right?

rather than "finalizing" think "Initialising" as the system is going through all the initflashes.dat files and provxmls that it does as a first run, as the flags are set in the system that it needs setting up.
but to answer, yes, not so much that there's no preinstalled files found, but that the registry is set as stock that it's the initial boot I think.
Theres no evidence that suggests it's clearing storage area during the initial boot.
if you think about it, if it was "hard resetting" during that process, then after a manually induced hard reset, (either by clear storage or teh two hardkeys) it would go through the process of hard resetting all over again..
Which sounds a bit counter productive..
But you'd need to remotely connect to the device and watch the process to be certain I think. Either way it doesn't hurt to hard-reset after flashing

fards said:
if you think about it, if it was "hard resetting" during that process, then after a manually induced hard reset, (either by clear storage or teh two hardkeys) it would go through the process of hard resetting all over again..
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Not "over and over", just once again. Then after successful "Initialization" it "sets all flags" to "initialized ROM" and boots normally next time.
fards said:
Which sounds a bit counter productive..
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Because of misunderstanding of how to make an HR, I didn't know that HR can be done BEFORE(or better to say DURING/AT START) this "first long boot", therefore I always waited till it ends, setting all the parameters, calibrating the screen, etc. and only after that I was making a manual HR. After this manual HR I saw the same things on the screen, did same actions(setting up, calibrating), etc. That was truly counter productive. That's why I asked. Moreover, I think that there are a lot more(than me alone) people, who make HR only AFTER first "long boot" is finished I hope they will see this thread...
But now it's all clear. Thank you for your answers, fards and guap, it really helped!
ADDED: P.S.: You know, guys, after thinking a little, I've got that we can make an HR even when phone is turned off and without using SR-button. If the phone is off, hold down two soft-keys and power the phone on. Nice. That completely proves everything said above.

HRing after Flashing
I always use Micro-SD method when i flash and when it says update success instead of taking out the battery and turning it on, i simply hard reset it from that screen. so i hold the left and right softkeys and then push the soft reset button (this is the only way i can HR, holding L&R softkeys while holding the power button doesn't work for me i have to press the soft reset key as well). this means i don't have to go through the initial long boot screen twice and its a little quicker than taking out the battery and then HRing.
Hope this helps

J-Pro said:
ADDED: P.S.: You know, guys, after thinking a little, I've got that we can make an HR even when phone is turned off and without using SR-button. If the phone is off, hold down two soft-keys and power the phone on. Nice. That completely proves everything said above.
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yes sometimes I do this.. occassionally if the screen isn't responding on boot (after tweaking and pushing things far too much) & I can still turn off the x1 with the powerbutton and then OK key, then power back on and hardreset..
if you can do it (ie the device is still responding, but not the screen) then it's easier than pulling the back cover off.. Damn this stupid idea of hiding the reset button!

Jonny4911 said:
I always use Micro-SD method when i flash and when it says update success instead of taking out the battery and turning it on, i simply hard reset it from that screen. so i hold the left and right softkeys and then push the soft reset button (this is the only way i can HR, holding L&R softkeys while holding the power button doesn't work for me i have to press the soft reset key as well). this means i don't have to go through the initial long boot screen twice and its a little quicker than taking out the battery and then HRing.
Hope this helps
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yep thats the way to do it (although you can press the soft reset and then press the two front buttons, as long as you're quick enough).

G1 wont boot after i turn it off

If my battery dies or i reboot my phone or turn it off the phone will go to g1 screen then cyanogen screen but after that it just stays black screen. anyone got any ideas . I have to wipe it and it starts normal .

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If my battery dies or i reboot my phone or turn it off the phone will go to g1 screen then cyanogen screen but after that it just stays black screen. anyone got any ideas . I have to wipe it and it starts normal .
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So you've tried wiping and reflashing? Which version?

cms24 said:
If my battery dies or i reboot my phone or turn it off the phone will go to g1 screen then cyanogen screen but after that it just stays black screen. anyone got any ideas . I have to wipe it and it starts normal .
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We here at XDA are pretty intelligent, but a far cry from "all-knowing"...so we need info about your device before anyone can diagnose a problem...otherwise we just hafta guess...its helpful if you include this info in your sig (you can do this by clicking "userCP" at the top left of the forum and click "edit signature" on the lefthand side...), as seen in mine:
Device
ROM
Recovery
SPL
Any theme you may be running
anything else you use that you think may be useful in diagnosing problems.
This way we can help you out faster, and without you having to retype this info everytime you post a question...please list these data for us and describe in as much detail as you can what the problem is and how (or how you THINK) it came about. Well try to help you out to the best of our abilities, have you tried doing a SEARCH to see if someone else has already had this problem? it could be the answer you're looking for...
-BMFC

[Q] HTC One stuck on 'HTC One' boot screen after update

Hello everyone,
My HTC One M7 is stuck on the boot screen and I really don't know what to do anymore. Yesterday I deleted some music and 4gb of pictures from my phone to make some space. After that I checked for updates It said an update was available regarding some bugfixes and other issues. I let it download and install. At the end of the install process, I think I saw just the normal updating screen, but with the red pyramid exclamation mark icon. After that, it rebooted just like normal, first the white HTC screen, then the startup sound, and then the white HTC One screen. Only this time it didn't go further than that. My phone is not rooted or tampered with in any way. The only thing I did is download some cracked apps. Also I think I didn't update most of my apps for 2/3 weeks because I didn't have enough 'memory space' apparently.
I know a factory reset is the easiest thing to do, but if it's possible, I'd really like to fix the problem with all my data intact. My pictures etc are all back upped, and I have the HTC backup thingy (I think), but still, there's some things like WhatsApp messages I'd really like to keep.
I tried to just let it boot, maybe taking a little longer, but after 2 hours, the device gets pretty hot, and I'm afraid to let it overheat. However, after maybe half an hour/hour the white screen gets a bit brighter, indicating that there's still maybe something happening inside.
I'd be very happy if someone could help me with this!

Jugoslavija said:
Hello everyone,
My HTC One M7 is stuck on the boot screen and I really don't know what to do anymore.
Yesterday I deleted some music and 4gb of pictures from my phone to make some space. After that I checked for updates It said an update was available regarding some bugfixes and other issues. I let it download and install. At the end of the install process, I think I saw just the normal updating screen, but with the red pyramid exclamation mark icon. After that, it rebooted just like normal, first the white HTC screen, then the startup sound, and then the white HTC One screen. Only this time it didn't go further than that. My phone is not rooted or tampered with in any way. The only thing I did is download some cracked apps. Also I think I didn't update most of my apps for 2/3 weeks because I didn't have enough 'memory space' apparently.
I know a factory reset is the easiest thing to do, but if it's possible, I'd really like to fix the problem with all my data intact. My pictures etc are all back upped, and I have the HTC backup thingy (I think), but still, there's some things like WhatsApp messages I'd really like to keep.
I tried to just let it boot, maybe taking a little longer, but after 2 hours, the device gets pretty hot, and I'm afraid to let it overheat. However, after maybe half an hour/hour the white screen gets a bit brighter, indicating that there's still maybe something happening inside.
I'd be very happy if someone could help me with this!
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In your phone's present state if you can not get back to Android OS, then your best option is a factory reset. You will lose your personal data on the phone.
Performing a factory reset using hardware buttons
If you can’t turn HTC One on or access settings, you can still perform a factory reset by using the hardware buttons on HTC One.
Press and hold the VOLUME DOWN button and then press and hold the POWER button.
Wait for the screen with the three Android images to appear, and then release the POWER and VOLUME DOWN buttons.
Press VOLUME DOWN to select FACTORY RESET, and then press the POWER button.

Jugoslavija said:
Hello everyone,
My HTC One M7 is stuck on the boot screen and I really don't know what to do anymore. Yesterday I deleted some music and 4gb of pictures from my phone to make some space. After that I checked for updates It said an update was available regarding some bugfixes and other issues. I let it download and install. At the end of the install process, I think I saw just the normal updating screen, but with the red pyramid exclamation mark icon. After that, it rebooted just like normal, first the white HTC screen, then the startup sound, and then the white HTC One screen. Only this time it didn't go further than that. My phone is not rooted or tampered with in any way. The only thing I did is download some cracked apps. Also I think I didn't update most of my apps for 2/3 weeks because I didn't have enough 'memory space' apparently.
I know a factory reset is the easiest thing to do, but if it's possible, I'd really like to fix the problem with all my data intact. My pictures etc are all back upped, and I have the HTC backup thingy (I think), but still, there's some things like WhatsApp messages I'd really like to keep.
I tried to just let it boot, maybe taking a little longer, but after 2 hours, the device gets pretty hot, and I'm afraid to let it overheat. However, after maybe half an hour/hour the white screen gets a bit brighter, indicating that there's still maybe something happening inside.
I'd be very happy if someone could help me with this!
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To be honest some of those cracked apps (which I wouldnt admit to use here) most likely changed things in the system which caused the update to fail. I would do a full wipe and stay away from cracked apps unless you like things like this happening.

zelendel said:
To be honest some of those cracked apps (which I wouldnt admit to use here) most likely changed things in the system which caused the update to fail. I would do a full wipe and stay away from cracked apps unless you like things like this happening.
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It's just the standard 'a friend told me it was a good idea', only I didn't know it could screw up the system so hard.
I just tried wiping the cache partition in recovery mode, which unfortunately didn't help.
Is there any program out there that can still backup my files in some way or make me atleast access them? Or was it necessary for me to root the phone beforehand?

So, there's no program to still backup my files in any way?

Jugoslavija said:
So, there's no program to still backup my files in any way?
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Unfortunately there's nothing you can do, If you had a Custom Recovery you'd have some options but not with stock. Flashing a custom recovery requires an Unlocked bootloader. Unlocking the bootloader will wipe the device
At best you may be able to use an RUU to restore your device (depending on you CID, MID and current version Main) But that also will wipe all personal data including the sd card.

Well I realized that the only thing I could do is doing a factory reset. After resetting my phone, the problem persisted. It was still stuck on the boot menu. So unfortunately, I'll have to send it for repairs. Thanks anyways for all the help and have a happy 2015.

Jugoslavija said:
Well I realized that the only thing I could do is doing a factory reset. After resetting my phone, the problem persisted. It was still stuck on the boot menu. So unfortunately, I'll have to send it for repairs. Thanks anyways for all the help and have a happy 2015.
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Did you send your device for repair already? Does it have warranty? If there's no warranty you can still unlock your bootloader and fix this fairly easily.

Danny201281 said:
Did you send your device for repair already? Does it have warranty? If there's no warranty you can still unlock your bootloader and fix this fairly easily.
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Yeah I sent it already. Well it should have warranty anyway, since they give you 2 year warranty with the phone, and the HTC One isn't even out for 2 years. It should be okay. I just wanted to let them fix it, so I don't have to bother. Thx anyway. :good:

Probleme weather information

Hi,
Why the is not updating or even not showing.
Whether it's the princial launcher or the Lawnchair it's the same thing.
Thanks !

nobody ?

Apparently yeah.
This is an issue that I haven't seen before.
Hate to say it, but a factory reset would probably fix it.
You could also try dirty flashing (remove the -w flag in the flash-all) the factory image

Regys said:
nobody ?
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That happens to me occasionally perhaps once or twice a week. I keep another weather app on a far home screen for when that happens and just scroll over. It usually comes back within a few hours. If you're rooted then this might not apply.

There is no less radical way ?
Apparently it's a worry that excites some.

Cracked screen not working after update

Cat knocked my note 8 off the dresser. It cracked the screen, have a line across it near the bottom but still worked fine. UNTIL I got an auto update today. When I reboot the phone, screen works great. When the screen times out and I turn it back on all I get is a green screen Now every time I need it I have to restart for it to work. Any ideas? Screen works in safe mode.

watersprite11 said:
Cat knocked my note 8 off the dresser. It cracked the screen, have a line across it near the bottom but still worked fine. UNTIL I got an auto update today. When I reboot the phone, screen works great. When the screen times out and I turn it back on all I get is a green screen Now every time I need it I have to restart for it to work. Any ideas? BTW have only had this phone 5 days.
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OTA's can cause bugs so you could try flashing stock filmware with Odin but I would guess that it's a screen problem caused by the fall and will need to be repaired unfortunately.

stonedpsycho said:
OTA's can cause bugs so you could try flashing stock filmware with Odin but I would guess that it's a screen problem caused by the fall and will need to be repaired unfortunately.
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Thanks for your reply. Screen works in safe mode.

watersprite11 said:
Thanks for your reply. Screen works in safe mode.
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Try clearing the system cache.

blackhawk said:
Try clearing the system cache.
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blackhawk said:
blackhawk said:
Try clearing the system cache.
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I did and it works now. Don't know why I didn't think of that myself. Thank you so much. Very happy camper here.
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The old jedi cache trick... beats doing a factory restore
I clear it about once a month or if I get erratic behavior.